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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:49 AM
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"I'd bet John Kerry would like to be imploding the way Howard Dean is."
Ron Brownstein, LA Times columnist on today's Meet the Press
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virtualobserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:15 AM
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1. hell of a quote
Kerry definitely is projecting desperation.
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Fabio Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:27 AM
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7. I'll say this.
Definately a dumb thing to say, on or off mike. BUT

I dont think the JK was saying the Dean Campaign is imploding. That would be a tough sell. I think he is talking about Dean looking much less impervious because of his shifting positions.

It's been a tough 2 weeks for Dean in terms of press. I'd imagine that's what he is responding too.

Nevertheless, not a smart thing to say.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:19 AM
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2. Its patrician frustration
He knows what he wants to say, he knows what he wants to do, ....and he can't get his people to understand what it is.

Reminds me of the gardener who knows what's good for your roses, versus you who wants flowers until the last possible moment.
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virtualobserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:21 AM
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3. He shouldn't have hired Bob Shrum
Gore won the popular vote in spite of, not because of Shrum.
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Sweetpea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:06 AM
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4. I am beginning to agree. I have been a Kerry supporter but am
starting to lean towards Clark.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:09 AM
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5. At least Kerry has a pretty good grasp of where he falls
on the political scale and where he stands on the issues.
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Sweetpea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:11 AM
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6. True!!!
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 10:12 AM by Sweetpea
I am not happy with the way they are conducting the campaign. I think he is a solid candidate without charisma.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:32 AM
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8. This is the second or third time I've heard Dean is 'imploding.'
Did I miss a memo? How/when/why/who says he is imploding?
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:33 AM
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9. imploding meant: exposure of waffling and unclear stances
not the evaporation of all this blind worship.
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StopTheMorans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:38 AM
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10. Oh that's rich, the "Great Equivocator" is accusing others of
waffling. The Senator has no clothes.
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Sweetpea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:40 AM
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12. I don't think it was an accusation. It sounds like an explanation of the
use of imploding.
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StopTheMorans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:41 AM
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13. sure sounds like a slam at Dean
if it looks like a slam, and sounds like a slam, all I can take it as is a slam :) Sorry, it looks like a slam against Dean, and since all I have to go by is words on the screen, that's what I take it as.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:45 AM
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14. the senator has a lot more clothes on than the governor
a whole lifetime's worth in fact. Kerry's positions are much better grounded than Dean's. Hence, the implosion.
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StopTheMorans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:49 AM
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15. if by "grounded" you mean "always leaves an out so he doesn't
have to pin down a real position" and always has a "finger in the wind", then I agree 100%. I liked Kerry's positions up until the time that he decided to run for president, since which he has completely lost all my trust by pandering to whatever interest he thinks will gain him the votes he needs. I was in his camp wholeheartedly for months, he finally said one too many things that lost him to me. Sorry, the man is a shell of what his voting record for the last 20 years implies.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:55 AM
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16. The man is a "shell" of what his voting record implies
Apparently that's what a misreading of 2 votes in 1 year can do. Obliterate a lifetime of achievement.
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StopTheMorans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:01 AM
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18. "a misreading" of votes?
well how about "quotes" then? The "get over it" quote? The refusal to disavow his war vote now (which could have won him back many a supporter had he done it sooner)? The fact that the man has to qualify every statement that he makes? Sorry, it's not just the "war vote" or the "PATRIOT act vote" that have turned me off to Kerry. It's how he's acted in the past year and a half, the pattern I see, which leads me to believe he always has a finger in the wind and is not acting from any supreme convictions.
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Sweetpea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:14 AM
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20. The Patriot Act expires next year. He said he would only backed it with a
sunset clause. And there are enough threads about the war vote to read for the next 100 years.
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StopTheMorans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:20 AM
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21. I know this!`
look at what I said again, and read it. "It's not just the PATRIOT Act vote". In fact, that vote means nothing to me, taken in the context of when it happened and the climate in which it occurred. It's not just that vote, or the war vote. Again, it is my perception that the man has no convictions strong enough to vote for if he feels that it will cost him politically (which, strangely enough, has come to cost him politically). Just my opinion.
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Sweetpea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:59 AM
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17. 20 year voting record implies consistency.
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StopTheMorans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:02 AM
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19. and waffling and completely acting the opposite
of how his 20 year record would imply in the short period when he is seeking the highest elective office in the US would imply lack of conviction.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:38 AM
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11. I missed the story to which this quote refers.
Anyone willing to fill me in?
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:29 AM
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22. compared him to Red Sox fans
with "Yankees Suck" banners. Very clever, I thought. :-)
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