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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 12:08 AM
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I will now prove to you why Bush will LOSE...
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 12:09 AM by TruthIsAll
Have any of you heard a senior say:

"I made a mistake last time when I voted for Gore; Bush has proven his greatness with all the wonderful things he has done for this country. He's got my vote".

Or did you hear a senior say this:

"I made a mistake last time when I voted for Bush; Bush is a total imbecile who has destroyed everything wonderful about this country. He's an idiot. I will vote for the Democrat, no matter who he is.".

THAT'S WHY HE IS TOAST..
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 12:12 AM
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1. Heard a senior say
that Bush has made such a mess of things that we may never recover. This from a 90 year old who has seen the Depression; 2 World Wars; a 50 yr Cold War...............
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JackDragna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 12:18 AM
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2. Never forget this..
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 12:19 AM by JackDragna
You live in a nation where the majority supported an aggressive war against a foreign power against world opinion. You live in a nation where people have been trained by media and advertising to respond to simple platitudes. You live in a nation where the party of the rich is awash with cash and will flood the airwaves with their messages. You live in a nation where a man who lost limbs in wars lost a Senate election because he was labeled at unpatriotic.

Never forget this. People here are acting like we're hitting in a chip-shot field goal, but in reality we're kicking from the 50, the wind is blowing into our faces and the defensive linemen have eight-foot-long arms. It's going to be a bitter, nasty fight if we're going to win this, a fight for which our opponents are vastly more ready to fight than we are, for the moment.
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 12:23 AM
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4. Too true...
...and no one wants to hear about it, either.

It's Bush's to steal, or lose.

Everything JackDragna says is true, and there has been no political price to pay for Junta Boy and his puppetmasters.

None.

Their roots are in deeper than they were in 2001.

It's not impossible to get them out again, but it's not an easy job. I don't even know whether a simple election is suffient leverage.

Bush = Ceaucescu.
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 12:24 AM
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5. True, but Cleland lost because it was stolen from him...
No fraud and the Dems will win in a landslide. We are much more powerful than you give us credit for. And the Bush Repukes are in the minority.

It all comes down to: WE MUST NOT LET THEM STEAL IT.

THE MEDIA AND BUSH ARE NOTHING TO FEAR...AS LONG AS WE GET TO VOTE AND THE VOTES ARE COUNTED..

WE WIN WITH 55%...EASY

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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 12:24 AM
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6. True, but Cleland lost because it was stolen from him...
No fraud and the Dems will win in a landslide. We are much more powerful than you give us credit for. And the Bush Repukes are in the minority.

It all comes down to: WE MUST NOT LET THEM STEAL IT.

THE MEDIA AND BUSH ARE NOTHING TO FEAR...AS LONG AS WE GET TO VOTE AND THE VOTES ARE COUNTED..

WE WIN WITH 55%...EASY

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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:55 AM
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10. Passionately and succinctly stated
You expressed urgent, powerful words that reflect my feelings exactly. Nicely done - you nailed it

!
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:12 AM
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13. You Are Being Way Overoptimistic...
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 02:13 AM by AndyTiedye
...If you fail to mention that all of the referees are in their pocket,
and the scoreboard clicks up a few points on their side every few plays
even when the ball doesn't move,
and the playing field is on a mountainside.

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 12:19 AM
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3. He's done.
Finished.
Ended.
Destroyed.
Has-been.
History.
Afterthought.
Halted.
Terminated.
Exhausted.
Expended.
Spent.
Used-up.
Washed-up.
Through.
Done for.

and TOAST.

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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:03 AM
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11. and Privatized n/t
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Pobeka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 12:28 AM
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7. A quote from my republican relative
"The Seattle latte tax initiative was a way for the media to divert attention away from Iraq".

Very heartening news...
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:36 AM
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8. My 78 year old mother.................
who has never voted for a Democrat in her entire life, has emphaticaly stated that she will vote for "any Democrat" to get Bush out of Washington and "get our country back". Of course I've been providing her with snippets of the truth along the way. I've told her things about the Bushies that she refused to believe until the media finally got a backbone and started to report them. My star has risen in her eyes and she's no longer reluctant to take what I tell her as true. I'm quite proud of myself, I've deprogrammed my mother. She no longer belongs to that insideous cult known as the Republican party.
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:54 AM
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9. Yeah, well
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 02:07 AM by neebob
I just got off the phone with my 67-year-old mother, who insisted on reading me some pompous bullshit that Bill O'Reilly wrote about how to raise kids, which led to a discussion about whether he's a good person, which led to the usual heated argument about whether Bush is a good person. My mother is a total wingnut. It's Bill Clinton's fault her retirement account is a quarter of what it was three years ago. But it's all part of Heavenly Father's plan (that's her out in case she's wrong about Bush). And Bill O'Reilly is looking out for everyone.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:05 AM
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12. Don't despair ...hone your skills
keep up the dialougue
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:20 AM
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14. Skills are useless
I honestly don't think my mother would change her mind even if Bush was caught on tape going at it with an intern in the oval office and then lied about it on national television. I had decided not to get into it again, but she brought up O'Reilly and kept on reading. She does not listen. I finally just said fine, I'm not going there with you again.
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joanski01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 03:44 AM
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16. Speaking of O'Reilly,
just how did he get his face on the cover of Parade Mazagine. I pitched it immediately. He was hawking his book.
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 07:07 AM
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19. Oh, Really?
If he was in Parade, then I'm guessing that's what my mom was reading from. She's going to buy the book, and I expect I'll eventually find it in one of the "care" packages she sends me every few months.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 07:21 AM
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20. Take the premise of her arguments
and make the dem case based on it.

I read O'Reily's rules (don't have them in front of me), but they all presupposed some truth. Next time, try this with your mother: Avoid refuting the "argument" and instead idenify the underlying supposition that she finds so attractive. Sticking with O'Reiley's list, those might be things like, we want kids to be safe; we want kids to be healthy; or we want kids to grow up with a fair chance.

Then, withthout pointing out how Bush or O'Riely are wrong (which will just turn her off), explain to your mom what the Dems would do to advance the underlying interest. Something like, "well, you know mom, when it comes to healthy kids, dems want to..." You can apply that technique to any topic. The key is to first identify the motivating assumption. "Well, you know mom, when it comes to homeland security, the dems want to..." "Well, you know mom, when it comes to fiscal responsibility, the dems want to..."

You get the idea. Try it and be patient. You have a year.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 03:28 AM
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15. Welcome to DU, neebob!
Don't despair! We're here to prop you up.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 03:55 AM
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17. I asked this to a repug
who was "waffling" on voting for the whistleass in '04

the repug agreed that the economy, foreign policy and just about everything else was a mess, but still waffled on voting for someone other than the whistleass

so I said "sounds like the real question is do you want to clean up the mess in 2004 or wait until 2008 when the mess will probably be even messier? There is no indication that 'bush' is able or willing to get things back on track, and alot of indications the the recent rhetoric from 'bush' is just alot of hot air for the campaign. Look at what he's really doing and not at what he says he's doing"

got some mumbles in response, but from the look on his face I think I gave him something to consider
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MSchreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 04:37 AM
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18. Here's a good sign
My family has always been strongly Republican. My GGGGrandfather was at the Jackson Convention, and was an early state leader of the GOP. Of my living family on my father's side, my grandmother is a former Republican official, my father (ex-career military) voted for Reagan twice, GHWB twice, Bob Dole and GWB. (My mother has been a closet Democrat for as long as I can remember.)

It looks like all of them are going to vote for whomever the Dems put up this time.

Martin
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 07:59 AM
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21. Radical Republicans
Just how Radical are they?


There being many points of their Radicallity makes it easy to point out the resulting injuries they have caused to our safety as Americans.

Let 9/11 happen and now try to cover it up.
$500 Billion deficits. Growth of Federal Agencies is the largest ever in history.
Failure to keep other countrues as allies.
Threatened to use nuclear weapons in first strike.
Attacking state's rights in federal courts.
Before finishing Afghanistan, attacked a defenseless Iraq.
Now wanting to rebuild Iraq to the tune of $87 Billion next year while at home: schools, health care, and cities go without.

Bumch of crazy Radicals in my book. Even the sheeple can recognize the wolf at the door if you point it out.

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reachout Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 08:43 AM
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22. Rally 'round the flag
As disturbing as it is to say, I wouldn't be at all surpised if the bombs start dropping somewhere in the world between May and November of next year. With things going like they are in Iraq, how hard would it be for the adminstration to conjure up an "imminent threat" from say Syria? The kneejerk reaction of the American public (we oppose the war, until you actually start killing people, then we support it) could be enough to drive Bush safely into victory. That, and let's not forget who has their finger on the Terror Threat Level button.

...hope I'm wrong.
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