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Sephirstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 12:22 AM
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Republicans for Dean and Libertarians for Dean...
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 12:23 AM
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1. Proof positive that the man's a crypto - Republican!
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Sephirstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 12:24 AM
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2. I should have never posted this...
Sorry guys...
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 12:26 AM
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3. Perhaps
they are the ones who owe you an apology?
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 08:32 AM
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43. I disagree
I think that it shows Dean has broad-based support. Not all Republicans are pod people -- many have the ability to think for themselves and they don't like what they see in Son-of-Bush*.

Look, the habitual bashers are going to get in on ANY thread about Dean (or any other candidate that they do not support) so don't worry about it. Some people apparently have no life.
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 12:28 AM
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4. Not at all
There are a lot of moderate Republicans who are really disgusted with Bush. And with Dean's fiscally responsible record and reputation for balancing the budget and him not having a reputation as a gun grabber, he's a good alternative for moderate Republicans and Libertarians.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 12:33 AM
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5. Wrong.
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 12:34 AM by BillyBunter
Anyone who appeals to moderates and Republicans must be a crypto-Republican themselves:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Dean is clearly a plant, and I want to thank the person who started this thread for pointing that out.

Dean and Clark are Republican plants. Kerry, Edwards, and Lieberman voted for the war. Gephardt is a 'Dick' for criticizing Dean. The rest of the candidates are 'unelectable.' What's left? DU: anti-Democrat Underground. No Democrat is pure enough, so you might as well vote Republican!
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 12:37 AM
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6. Perhaps some candidates are just so good
that they appeal to people all across the political board. That's exactly the kind of politician Dean has always been here in Vermont. He also has the best appeal to swing voters, like me.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 12:58 AM
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12. But that's not what some of your fellow Deanites are
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 12:58 AM by BillyBunter
saying about Clark. This isn't a case of 'what's good for the geese,' of course -- it's another example of Dean's transcending 'differentness.' Dean appeals to moderates and Republicans, and it's 'because he's good;' Clark appeals to moderates and Republicans, and there are immediately three threads out attacking him for it -- and prominently posting in these threads are some of your fellow Kool-aid addicts.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:04 AM
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16. There are supporters of dubious intellectual capacity in all camps...
You're declaring as one in the Clark camp?

(my point - not all Dean supporters attack Clark for this...mimicking ignorant behavior might not be the best response)
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:05 AM
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17. Mocking ignorant behavior, however, makes perfect sense.
It's also quite entertaining, especially when people are too dense to know the difference.

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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:16 AM
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21. You are aware that "mimicking" and "mocking" share definitions, right?
Webster's:

Main Entry: 3mimic
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): mimicked /-mikt/; mimicking
Date: 1687
1 : to imitate closely : APE
2 : to ridicule by imitation
3 : SIMULATE
4 : to resemble by biological mimicry
synonym see COPY


Main Entry: 1mock
Pronunciation: 'mk, 'mok
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French mocquer
Date: 15th century
transitive senses
1 : to treat with contempt or ridicule : DERIDE
2 : to disappoint the hopes of
3 : DEFY, CHALLENGE
4 a : to imitate (as a mannerism) closely : MIMIC b : to mimic in sport or derision
intransitive senses : JEER, SCOFF
synonym see RIDICULE, COPY


So maybe you'd like to enlighten us "dense" folk...
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:26 AM
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25. Come on, this is foolishness:
Mock:1 : to treat with contempt or ridicule

Mimic: 1 : to imitate closely

Many words have different meanings. Mock can be a synonym for mimic; however it should have been obvious that wasn't the case here.
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:28 AM
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27. Who the hell cares?
Everybody needs to stop this stupid shit.

Support who you goddamn like and then vote for whoever gets nominated so we can get rid of the fucking dicktater Bush!

It's really quite simple.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:31 AM
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28. Then talk to your fellow Kool-aidites.
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:38 AM
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30. I have
I've defended Clark many times and pointed out to other Dean supporters that Clark will most likely be Dean's running mate. What you fail to realize is that the more you react to the bashing of Clark by bashing Dean, the more Dean supporters are going to Bash Clark. It's just one big, ugly, viscious circle. Dean and Clark are friends, like each other...and I think their supporters should try to get along.
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einsteins stein Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 05:37 AM
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37. Gawd I wanted to avoid this...
but why should anyone talk to anyone else about YOUR behavior.

If you are tired of the negativity at DU, then act like. DON'T BE NEGATIVE, and for the sake of whatever is good, take responsibility for your own actions--DON'T give others a reason to justify their actions because they saw it first in you.

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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 05:53 AM
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38. I think you are confused:
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 05:53 AM by BillyBunter
why should anyone talk to anyone else about YOUR behavior.

Nobody should talk to anyone else about my behavior, but about their compatriots' behavior.

If you are tired of the negativity at DU, then act like. DON'T BE NEGATIVE, and for the sake of whatever is good, take responsibility for your own actions--DON'T give others a reason to justify their actions because they saw it first in you.

Do you read the same message board I do? Maybe not? Shall I post the dozen or so threads that have been started in the past day that are slams on Clark by people from your side of the political divide? Nobody needs my actions to set an example -- the first stone has already been cast. And the second, and the third, and the fourth, and the fifth...

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einsteins stein Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:19 AM
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39. You're right, I was confused
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 06:21 AM by einsteins stein
I thought you might be reasonable.

Now I think that you are not interested in fair behavior, but in a little revenge. You don't seem to care about what is right, just what makes you feel good.

If you need an example of how one person might use the worst example of another's behavior to justify their own ill deeds, just look towards yourself.

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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:31 AM
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40. Well well well,
I thought you might be reasonable.

Either you thought wrong, or we have different standards for and concepts of what 'reasonable' is. But if you need to feel superior to someone at my expense, be my guest.


Now I think that you are not interested in fair behavior, but in a little revenge. You don't seem to care about what is right, just what makes you feel good.

See above re: what is 'right' and 'fair behavior.'

If you need an example of how one person might use the worst example of another's behavior to justify their own ill deeds, just look towards yourself.

Already covered in my previous post.

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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:31 AM
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29. Agreed. I still don't agree with his tactics, though.
I think it's silly to accuse an opposing group of certain behaviors while doing the same yourself to "mock" them.


and I'd say the same to a Dean supporter who acted this way...
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 08:33 AM
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44. First thing you've said that I agree with.
This IS foolishness and I have zero-tolerance. <Flush>
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:18 AM
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22. I don't drink Kool-aid, I drink Mt. Dew and coffee
Listen, I don't think Clark is going to be able to get the nomination this late in the game, but I DO think he's going to be Dean's VP pick. We're going to be on the same fucking team, dude. I'm not bashing Clark. See, some Clark supporters came here and started attacking Dean, and of course there are those certain Kerry supporters who think Dean is the devil incarnate. You're getting a reaction to that. Personally, I wish my fellow Dean supporters would knock it off with the attacking of Clark. If you get sucked into the flame wars you're just going to perpetuate more of the same. Be the bigger person.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:27 AM
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26. Perhaps you should spend some time policing your fellow
Deanites, then.
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:39 AM
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31. Perhaps you should pay closer attention
because I already do that. Are you telling Clark supporters to behave themselves too?
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:41 AM
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32. You obviously aren't doing a good job of it.
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 08:51 AM
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45. Maybe that's because people do what they are going to do
Kinda like what you are right now.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:27 AM
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46. Fatalism is an odd thing.
On the one hand, you say people are going to do what they are going to do no matter what; on the other, you've just spent several posts trying to convince me to stop doing something. Make sense to you?

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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:25 AM
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47. smear job

your posts are proof positive you are running a smear job

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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 05:12 AM
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35. Totally agree.
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 12:59 AM
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13. wait a minute Billy boy
it is you Clark people who are on here making the case that Republican votes are good and that the General with his past affiliation to the GOP as well as his appeal to Reagan Democrats is what will win him elections, and now when someone posts something showing that Dean is not ruling out GOP voters, well he is a crypto Republican?? Think about it.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 12:59 AM
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14. LOL
That's the second time in two days that one of the Kool-aid crew has made me feel pity for them.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:16 AM
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20. The "Kool-aid crew"?
Yeah, your "wit" is really astonishing...

Buh bye...
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 12:39 AM
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7. Wanna join Republicans for Clark?
Here's the link, does this make Clark the "Crypto-Republican"?

http://www.draftwesleyclark.com/gop.html
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ProudToBeLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 12:45 AM
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10. Billybunter got told
lol
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 12:54 AM
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11. LOL is right! I'm so ashamed...
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:11 AM
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18. Now play nice, dammit
:D
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 12:42 AM
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8. We have a general election to win, remember?
Seems tht a candidate with broad-based support would be a GOOD thing, no?
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ProudToBeLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 12:43 AM
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9. yay
I'm glad that Dean is reaching across the spectrum. Democrats aren't the only people who have become politically apathetic. Republicans, Dems, Libertarians are all human beings. We need to come together and not divide ourselves into warring fractions.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:00 AM
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15. Damn!! Republicans for Clark , Republicans for Dean...
are the two major parties interchangable?!?! what does this mean? I am serious...
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:14 AM
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19. thanks for the cool aid snark
While your the one jumping on a bandwagon
for a man who has no positions, no experience in office,
never run for anything--we are supposed to be the
ones on cool-aid?

as Thelma used to say, "negro please".
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:42 AM
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33. huh? i dont support anyone yet
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 01:48 AM by jonnyblitz
I think u might be mistaking me for somebody else because I dont have any idea what you are talking about. :hi:

on edit: and if you are implying I am supporting Clark you are seriously confusing me with somebody else. All i have been doing for the past few days has been arguing with Clark supporters!! you should really get your DUers straight before u get all up in their face!
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:21 AM
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23. It means everyone knows Bush sucks...
:D

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:25 AM
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24. Yup.
That much is crystal clear.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:43 AM
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34. LOL..i guess that is a positive way to look at it!!
:hi:
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disgruntella Donating Member (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:59 AM
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41. I guess it means more votes for Democrats
Funny how some Democrats see this as a negative development :freak:
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RandomUser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 05:21 AM
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36. The new Reagan Democrats!
The two groups, "Republicans for Clark" and "Republicans for Dean" are going to be the counter to what the republicans did with the Reagan Democrats. When the Reagan Democrats swept Reagan into office, it started the entire county's shift rightward. The Clark Republicans and the Dean Republicans will reverse that, and I hope start the sea change leftward the way the Reagan Democrats move us rightward. This goes beyond who wins the Whitehouse...this is a profound shift in the political spectrum! Woohoo!
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union_maid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 07:19 AM
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42. Yes it means that everyone is starting to realize Bush sucks
All the top tier candidates are moderates in their way. Or you can call them centrists. Or you can call them Al. Gephardt, with his history of genuine, strong support of labor might be an exception to that, but he was very enthused about the war and ineffective at stopping the neocon juggernaut when he was one of those in a position to do so. Otherwise I'd be supporting him, but I'd certainly vote for him in the general election. The real left of center candidates are way behind, but they're doing an excellent job just by being there and articulating their views as well as they have. That has tremendous value. If anyone thought they were actually going to get the nomination, that was unrealistic. This election will be won, not by defeating the whole half of the country that leans more to the right than the left, but by winning some of them over, and that's the only kind of victory that will allow the next president to lead effectivelyl. That's also the only way to get any coattails, which are equally important. So I hope that if Dean gets the nomination Clark's Republicans will go over to him or vice versa. Same if the nomination should go to Kerry, or Edwards or Gephardt.
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