Is Kerry going to push for Bush impeachment?

[EnfantTerrible]

Yesterday I received the following in my email:


Breaking News : Kerry To Push For Bush Impeachment
Posted by News Reporter on 2005/6/3 10:29:52
By Sher Ziev

John Kerry announced Thursday that he intends to present Congress with The Downing Street Memo, reported by the London Times 1 May 2005. As reported by NewsMax, the memo purports to include minutes from a July 2002 meeting with Tony Blair, in which Blair ostensibly said that President Bush's Administration "fixed" intelligence on Iraq in order to justify the Iraqi war. In an interview with the Standard Times, Kerry said: "It's amazing to me the way it escaped major media discussion. It's not being missed on the Internet, I can tell you that."

The Boston Globe published an article by Ralph Nader, Tuesday, in which Nader also called for President Bush's impeachment. The story is being carried on Michael Moore's website and the Democratic Underground. Failed presidential candidate Kerry advised that he will begin the presentation of his case for President Bush's impeachment to Congress, on Monday.

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6057

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Then I received this:

I'm not finding any evidence of this on either Kerry's senate website, his johnkerry.com site, or even other political gossip sites.

I just looked at the Conservative Voice blog - it looks like a right wing push/propaganda site. Thus, we're not doing a service to anyone by distributing fake news from it.

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Does anyone know the truth about Kerry's position on this or if he even has one? I've gone from exaltation to "WTF!" frustration.

I figured DUers would have a better idea...

[valis]

1. Of course not. It would require sticking to a position for more than a day

[katinmn]

4. I guess you'd prefer he ignore the DSM?

Leave Conyers hanging out there by himself.

Yup. That'll help.

We have SO MANY senators who are willing to take this on. Who are they again?

[Just Me]

13. Oh my, the flip-flop thingy sticks. The article is right-wing bullshit.

The right-wing WANTS YOUR MIND!!!! *LOL*

[ultraist]

19. yep,,,

How can one nuance, change, and play both sides while simultaneously calling for an impeachment?

Calling for an impeachment would require a strong stand, with complete resolute, not checking which way the wind blows, day to day.

edit to add: There is a reason the "flip flopper" name stuck.

[emulatorloo]

24. LOOK THIS IS WINGER PROPAGANDA FROM NEWSMAX - RIGHT WING LIARS

This is Right Wing Spin Machine trying to neutralize Downing Street Minutes. Don't Fall for it.

Kerry never said he was "pushing for impeachment"

He said he was bringing up Downing Street Notes, implications of it, and why is media ignoring it. There are threads on DU w the article and quotes.

NEWSMAX uber winger faux news is putting words in Kerry's mouth to diffuse the issue into making it ALL ABOUT SORE LOSER KERRY ATTACKING OUR GREAT PRESIDENT WITH THESE RIDICULOUS CHARGES.

Don't Fall for it.



Impeachment starts in the house anyway.

[ultraist]

26. I don't think Kerry ever did use the I word

I also don't think he will. Granted, Kerry has done some very honorable things in his lifetime, but he has his eye on 08---I don't think he would take up something this controversial, looking back at how he played it in 04.

[Ladyhawk]

29. He sure as hell won't get my vote. n/t

[Snotcicles]

34. Kerrys going to blow this thing wide open

After all the Impeachments are complete it's on to The Hauge.
If Powell wants to save any part of his soul, he better start singing now.

[LittleClarkie]

30. Well, first one must believe RW talking points

and false information from Conservative site who of course always tell the truth about Democrats.

Then one must not actually take a hard look at our former candidate, making an effort to "get" him.

Just glancing at positions without reading thoroughly always helps.

Mix altogether and you have: the flip flopper meme.

Rove just called. He says thanks for you help.

He never called for impeachment. The RW site just paired a report that Kerry will bring up the DSM with a Nader story about impeachment. That's all.

Actually, if one bothers to take a good look at Kerry, one finds that he's remarkably consistent. It depends on where one gets one's news of course.

The man is going out on a limb and being the first Senator to bring up the DSM, something many have been clamoring for. Can we put away our ABB bias for two seconds and give the guy even half a prop? Would that be too much to ask?

[emulatorloo]

21. Tired of Rove talking points from wingers, do prog DUers have to repeat

the tired talking points too?

No I am not calling you a freeper.

No I am not accusing you of being a rove operative.

I have seen many of your thoughtful posts here on DU.

But I know how ideology and "conventional wisdom" get constructed by the people in power, and I know that even the most resistant of us to rove and winger manipulation can eventually absorb their pervasive BS -- it is everywhere pumped out like the air we breath.

So please, leave bushbot talk to the bushbots. . .they do it so well.

[DistressedAmerican]

23. I Think This Was An Honest Attempt To Clarify Confusion

created by Freeps.

I understand your frustration. But, there are plenty of trolls roaming these halls. You should take your irritation to them.

The OP should not be held accountable for posting RW spin when it is a result of confusion about that spin...

[emulatorloo]

25. Not replying to OP, replying to reply 1

Thanks though. . .

[DistressedAmerican]

28. Oops! Sorry! Just Sounded A Bit Odd!

In the new context it makes much more sense!:hi:

[emulatorloo]

35. .

:hi:

[NYCGirl]

2. I'd be willing to bet that the "I" word will not be mentioned at all.

Nor should he mention it, yet, in the context of the DS minutes.

[cornermouse]

3. I doubt it.

Even if impeachment was in the works, it would be way too early to go public with it.

[LuPeRcALiO]

5. He said he'd bring up the DSM, nothing about impeachment.

Funny how eager the wingnuts are to get the ball rolling.

[Botany]

6. this is a phony story

As reported by NewsMax .....

News Max = Freepers' paper

[brainshrub]

7. Don't hold your breath. This is all RW spin.

I'm sure Kerry will find a reasonable excuse to not follow up, or simply squash, any push for impeachment.

ON EDIT: The only thing Kerry said he'd do is "Bring up" the DSM. That's like calling the police while your house is being robbed and the operator says she'll "bring up" the issue of your problem at the next staff meeting.

[noamnety]

8. debunked

RW spin to put the focus on Kerry trying to impeach Bush (untrue) rather than allowing the media to focus on the Downing Street Minutes themselves.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3777685

[EnfantTerrible]

11. Thanks

It sounded too good to be true... thanks also for the link.

Sorry for posting about this when it's already been discussed.

[Triana]

9. KERRY hasn't said a damn thing about impeachment...

...so this is shit-spinning and bullshit. Conyers, Nader, others have mentioned the 'I' word but as far as I know, KERRY has not, so you may not find anyplace where he did. (ie: it's a lie).

Elsewhere, the reichwingnut media is also calling the MINUTES an 'IMPEACHMENT MEMO'.

First, it isn't a memo, it is MINUTES of a meeting - different context in a court of law. Secondly, NO ONE in the Kerry camp has said impeachment (YET). Conyers, Nader, and every DUer has mentioned impeachment, but as far as I know, Kerry hasn't (YET).

This smacks of riechwingnut spin and it is generated from their FEAR that this thing has legs so they're trying to get a head start on it in the MSM spin machine.

I'd suggest that every DUer SLAM the media with corrections to this effect as soon as this thing takes hold, which may be next week. DO NOT allow the wingnuts and their media spin machine to mis-frame this.

It's OUR STORY and WE should be framing it, NOT them. It is NOT an "impeachment memo" it is MINUTES of a meeting and KERRY has not (YET) mentioned impeachment ANYWHERE. Nader has. Conyers has. Kerry has not (YET).

These stupid shit-flinging bastards... :mad:

[oasis]

33. You're right, WE should be framing the story. Excellent post.

:thumbsup:

[Squeech]

10. Don't forget

Kerry was the guy that busted BCCI.

One of the few true things the Repukes smeared him with is, he hasn't proposed a lot of legislation-- there aren't a lot of bills with his name on them.

But that's because his strength (in the Senate at least) has been as an investigator-- consistent with his background as a prosecutor, his forte is to bring up inconvenient facts about establishment crimes. Given the present makeup of the legislature, this is way more valuable than, say, Kennedy's compromising with the establishment to write an NCLB bill and having the conference committee turn it into a Repuke pork salad.

The goal here is to convince the American people that this administration is a crime syndicate on the scale of Nixon's-- and Kerry has the skills to do that (which should be easy because it's true, but there's still the media filter to contend with...)

[Richard D]

12. Face it . . .

. . . Impeachment would require a fantastic amount of public support from both the right and the left. This just isn't happening yet, though it could occur in the near future. Few if any members of congress would put their necks out that far unless the peeps were behind it by at least enough of a margin to make sure that they were going to keep getting their toast buttered.

[BlueIris]

14. Kick.

[corbett]

15. Conyers Is The Better Choice

Even though the shrub is guilty of treason and war crimes, Kerry would not help matters by pressing for this. KKKarl and the gang would continue to call it "sour grapes" and even if Tony Blair himself testified in Congress about the meeting, a certain percentage of Americans would doubt the memo's veracity.

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050601/the_key_to_impeachment.php

[Toots]

16. Impeachment comes from the House not the Senate so the article is BS

Kerry is going to bring up the memo and is on Senate Foreign Relations Committee which is the appropriate place to launch an investigation on the matter.

[lonestarnot]

27. Can't get any more precise than this! Thank you! Love accurate DUrs!

[doodadem]

17. Ok, folks, Impeachment has to be initiated in the House

of Representatives. That means Conyers. Kerry can bring the Minutes up on the floor of the Senate, but he can't start anything to do with impeachment.
I'm also sick of hearing about "failed presidential candidate" Kerry. Other people here are right--it's all about the framing. As a recruiter, when I am prep'ing people for an interview, I tell them--be sure to interview in a very positive way. If you get questioned about something you haven't done, don't leave it at that, say--can I tell you about something I have done that is very similar, and proceed to lay out a success story. MUCH pleasanter after-taste.

[emulatorloo]

18. Right Wing Spin from NewsMax to cast Kerry as "Sore Loserman"

NewsMax is bs freep fake news

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[depakid]

22. That'll be the day

Not only would his advisors say it'll look like our grapes- but the fact is that Kerry already had his chance to call Bush on the Iraq war back in August and he blew it-

[johnaries]

31. Kerry knows it's too early for the "I" word.

If the public hears the word "impeach" right off the bat, they'll assume the Dems are just trying to get revenge for Clinton and immediately "tune out". First, we need to make the public aware that we now have proof - or at least further evidence to corroborate Richard Clarke, Paul O'Neill, and former CIA agents statements - that Bushit LIED in order to go to war.

After the public is convinced of Bushit's guilt, THEN we discuss impeachment.

That's why the RW has started the "impeachment" spin. They want the public to believe that it's just "sour grapes" and not legitimate.

[ScreamingMeemie]

32. I think he'll wait and see what everyone else does/says.

I haven't ever seen him lead a charge.