Nixon administration official "I'm surprised FELT didn't end up dead..."

[mzmolly]

On Crossfire Tuesday Lawrence Eagleburger who served under Nixon, Reagan, and daddy Bush admited that so called "Moral Repug leaders" KILL people who cross them:


WATKINS: OK. Secretary Eagleburger, this is the million dollar question. I mean, folks have been waiting for three decades to know who Deep Throat was or is. Is Mark Felt, in your opinion, Deep Throat?

EAGLEBURGER: Probably.

WATKINS: Do you think he's Deep Throat?

EAGLEBURGER: Probably. You know, President Nixon once suspected him. I'm surprised he didn't end up dead somewhere because of that. ...

Anyone else find that an explosive statement? Oddly enough no one on crossfire even blinked about it?

Transcript here:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0505/31/cf.01.ht...

I'm not *cough* posting much anymore but thought this was most worthy of sharing. Imagine the fallout if a Democratic official had made such a remark? Apparently it's a given that Republicans in high office are murderers?

[dhinojosa]

1. Where did he say "Moral Repug leaders"?

Looking at the transcript....I don't see it.

[mzmolly]

HE didn't. ~ See here for "guidelines for uses of double quotation marks"

http://www.apastyle.org/tipweek070901.html

Use double quotation marks

"to introduce a word or phrase used as an ironic comment, as slang, or as an invented or coined expression."

[dhinojosa]

26. hahaha. American Psychological Association?

I thought there was a separation of words and shrinks in this country.

Anyways, I wasn't trying to provoke you, I just thought it was interesting that someone (might of) said "Repug" in the MSM and wanted to know more.

On edit...added "in the MSM"

[Shipwack]

41. Actually...

The APA style guide is often used as the source of how to write something. So says my experience in several different coursed requiring reports in 2 different colleges.

[dhinojosa]

44. Welcome to DU....

Never heard of it 'til now, but then again my grammer with speeling is perfict.

[fortyfeetunder]

57. Don't feel bad

I just learned about APA style in graduate school last year. Good stuff there....

[CanOfWhoopAss]

63. I always thought it was the Modern Language Association...

see how we digress off topic.

[dhinojosa]

65. Speaking of digressing....

do you like cheesecake?

[mzmolly]

15. BTW, any comment on "Murderous Repug Leaders?"

Seems a bit more important then the proper use of quotation marks.

[0007]

23. You got that one right mzmolly........

[mzmolly]

24. Thank ya!

[kenny blankenship]

2. In 'All The President's Men' D.T. warned of lives being in danger.

..There is a point getting towards the end I guess when Woodward and Bernstein get Bradlee up out of bed in the middle of the night to talk to him about something. They drag him outside because they think his house may be bugged. Bradlee wants to know what the hell this is all about naturally, and in the course of suggesting his house could be bugged they say that Deep Throat has told them that people's lives may be at risk.

That's something that occurred to me lately as a point that I would ask for clarification on (from all involved) if I were a reporter today. Did DT really say that to Woodward? Why did he say that if he did, what information specifically prompted that warning, and whose lives was he referring to?

[funflower]

28. Is that in the book or just in the movie?

I would consider the book more likely to be accurate.

[kenny blankenship]

29. I don't know if it's in the book

Only saw the movie.

[AngryOldDem]

33. Did a quick check of the book

Found nothing like what is being referred to. But I think considering how close the Post was getting to unraveling everything, it would have been reasonable for Woodward, Bernstein, and Bradlee to assume that anything could happen. By that time desperation was setting in, and with the number of volatile, vindictive, and unstable personalities in the Nixon administration, it would have been most prudent for all three to start watching their backs.

[kenny blankenship]

37. If it's not in the book then

I would hope that some interviewer would eventually think to ask woodward, bernstein, bradlee and now felt about it.

[oneold1-4u]

115. "start watching their backs."???

Only all the preparations for security and safety in the courts for those in high office today is giving them any peace. That bit of business is costing the US taxpayer a monster bundle every day!
The good part is the republican paranoia is still very high and we know every time someone accidentally treads there, just how scared the whole damned bunch is!

[tanyev]

49. Yes it is in the book.

I just finished reading it and remember that taking place. I've never seen the movie.

[johan helge]

46. Deep Throat did warn them

From http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion... :

"Ben Bradlee: On one occasion Deep Throat told Woodward that our lives "were in danger." Given his track record you had to take that seriously but I don't think any of us really believed him on that occasion."

[kenny blankenship]

66. Aha, thanks johan and tanyev

Though I hate to put money in Bob Woodward's pocket, I'm going to have to order a copy of ATPM and read it.

[deutsey]

81. Also, it's a fact that G. Gordon Liddy was going to kill columnist

Jack Anderson.

Google "Liddy" "Jack Anderson."

For a more recent example of the kind of thuggery Bush and his friends use, check this exchange out from Congressional testimony from an Enron executive after J. Clifford Baxter's "suicide" (from WSWS: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/feb2002/enro-f22.shtm... ):

Baxter’s death was clearly on Watkins’ mind when she testified three weeks later. At one point the transcript shows the following interchange with Iowa Republican Congressman Greg Ganske, who asked her about the August 15 memorandum she wrote to Enron CEO Kenneth Lay, warning him of massive financial irregularities in the company’s accounts.

GANSKE: Did you keep a copy for your own personal files?

WATKINS: Yes, I did. Yes, I did.

GANSKE: And where did you keep those files? At home?

WATKINS: No.

GANSKE: At work?

WATKINS: No, in a lockbox.

GANSKE: In a lockbox. So you were enough concerned about this that you wanted to put this somewhere where it couldn’t be destroyed.

WATKINS: Yes.

GANSKE: Were you worried about your own personal safety?

WATKINS: At times, I mean, just because the company was a little bit radio-silent back to me, so I didn’t know how they were taking my memos or the investigation.

GANSKE: Why would you be worried about your personal safety?

WATKINS: Because it was the seventh-largest company in America.

GANSKE: And you were dealing with a really powerful person—

WATKINS: Yes.

GANSKE: —and a really powerful company.

[rzemanfl]

3. Many times I had the thought that in most countries Monica

would have ended up dead. I'm sure the Repugs would have killed a girl like her off in a like situation.

[blm]

8. There WAS a callgirl murdered in LA who talked about the GOP elite.

That's why no more are likely to do the same.

And their freeper followers think their GOP elite is chock full of family values and upstanding morals. What a sick joke.

[rzemanfl]

11. That appears to be what happens when you charge the Repugs

to screw you, that must be why they can now screw all of us for free, in fact, we are paying them. Sorry about the poor call girl though.

[johan helge]

45. Do you have a link?

[blm]

52. A link for what? The callgirl that was murdered?

Her name was Vicki Morgan and she and I had several girlfriends in common. I know exactly what happened.

[LightningFlash]

71. Was the Moral Tom DeLay involved?

He seems to be involved in everything that sweeps that way....

[blm]

83. No. He was still in Texas at that time. Exterminating for the Texas Mafia,

but, on a local level.

[mzmolly]

9. I agree

eom

[spooky3]

53. Gannon/Guckert better be vewwy, vewwy careful if that's true.

[RaleighNCDUer]

92. Only if he fesses up. nt

[LiberalFighter]

91. Who is to say that gw*dip didn't do that or someone did on his behalf

before, during and after being governor. Especially before.

[RBHam]

4. http://bushbodycount.com/

Read all about it.

[mzmolly]

6. Oh believe me, I'm not shocked. I just find it ironic that we accept

this from Republicans as a given.

Thanks for the link, as an old timer round these parts I've seen it, but others may not have.

[mzmolly]

18. Look what I found at the bodycount link:

George Bush Sr. became RNC Chairman in the midst of the Watergate scandal, when the burglars were still on trial. Unlike other Party officials, he actually had an office in the building where Nixon preferred to work. When asked how Bush rated a government office, a GOP spokesman replied that it was actually a "guest" office, although Bush spent a lot of his time there. According to journalist Al Reinert, "when Nixon became president, Bush became a teacher's pet, a presidential favorite, described in the press as one of 'Nixon's men'." We have no doubt that George H.W. Bush had a powerful influence over Nixon, as he had over Reagan in later years, operating as always in the background, behind the scenes.

[rambler_american]

107. Speaking of bush 41 and suspicious deaths....

Neil Bush had dinner plans with John Hinckley's brother on the evening of the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan. That has to be the mother of all coincidences.
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38432f49307d.htm
Poppy George almost got to live in the White House a few years earlier. This story was reported by John Chancellor on NBC News but then it got dropped like the hot potato it was.

[blm]

5. I agree, this really does say alot about how the REAL inner GOP operates.

Same way they treat reporters who get too close. Suicided. Accidented. Disappeared. Blackballed.

[mzmolly]

7. Exactly.

[Sandpiper]

10. "Lone Gunmen" seem to have a way of finding GOP enemies

Let's see shall we:

John F. Kennedy
Robert F. Kennedy
Martin Luther King
Malcolm X
Medgar Evers
Huey Newton

[RBHam]

12. carnahan, wellstone, jfk junior...

who's next?

if i were john conyers, i'd avoid small planes.

[mzmolly]

14. Agreed. Missed your post.

I was thinking the same thing about Conyers just the other day.

[Eloriel]

17. Here are some Bush Crime Family Body Count links

In no particular order:
Madsen: End of Year Update on Investigation (read down for Body Count info)
http://jamboi.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/31/175217/25

Bush FamilY Evil Empire (pasted on "Refuge from Whitewash" message baord (includes list of body count victims):
http://p206.ezboard.com/fblackhaventhalessons.showMessa...

Remember the first Pope John Paul?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Know your BFEE: Dead Men Tell No Tales (Octafish)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Six Killed in Plane Crash in Central Pa. (Dems) (speculative)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

The Mystery Of The Dead Scientists; Coincidence Or Conspiracy? By Ian Gurney, 7-20-3
http://rense.com/general39/death.htm

LONG master list of scientists, microbiologists with odd demises
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Bush Death List
http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/bushdeathlist.htm

Bush Body Count - Death By Association
http://www.guerrillafunk.com/thoughts/doc545.html

The List
http://www.bushbodycount.com/list.php?catid=18&blogid=2
Home: http://www.bushbodycount.com /

DEAD RIGHT (re Danny Casalaro) by John Connolly
Spy Magazine, January 1993
http://www.american-buddha.com/dead.right.htm#DEAD%20RI...

Articles about Steve Kangas' death (mostly rightwing)
http://www.politicalamazon.com/articles.html

Was Paul Wellstone Murdered?
by Michael Niman
http://www.corporations-suck.com/CKs/Niman/WasPaulWells...

It's Been Two Years Since Paul Wellstone Was Assassinated By Bush Junta
Mr. Bill 25 Oct 2004 08:31 GMT
http://newswire.indymedia.org/en/newswire/2004/10/81263...

Wellstone Was Bush's Number One Enemy
From Greg Hurley, 10-25-2
http://rense.com/general31/wells.htm

DejaVu: The Bush Gang Rides Again
http://www.winterboy.com/dejavu.html

The Mysterious Suiciding of Gary Webb.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

January 5, 2005
A Cuban Perspective on Gary Webb
The Journalist Who Exposed the Crimes of Luis Posada Carriles
By JEAN-GUY ALLARD
(Peter Goss had ruled Gary Webb's CIA/Drug trafficking report baseless back in 1970s)
http://www.counterpunch.org/allard01052005.html

Another reporter "suicided"???????
Kevin Carmody, reporter who covered asbestos and environment
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

JFK Murder Solved
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/bush3.htm

The Bushy Knoll
http://www.lizmichael.com/bushykno.htm

CHRONOLOGY OF MURDERS, SUSPICIOUS DEATHS, APPARENT SUICIDES, DISAPPEARANCES, AND ATTEMPTED MURDERS
http://www.daywilliams.com/chronology_suspicious.htm

[mzmolly]

19. Woah, thanks.

[fortyfeetunder]

58. I'm not surprised Clinton is not being blamed for it!

I recall when Vince Foster died, the blame pointing at the Clintons were relentless. Just surprised we haven't seen more of it...

[dmr]

120. Thanks, Eloriel

[ChemBob]

38. Airplanes

Yes, I was thinking about Wellstone precisely in this regard. There are just too many of these for it to be a coincidence.

[Branjor]

50. Also....

Mel Carnahan.

[aquart]

39. Conyers? Maybe not.

But doubtful Republicans might want to explore Amtrak.

Is anyone doing a chart of small plane deaths of politically-related figures?

I did a very rough one after, I think, Carnahan. So strange. I wish a better researcher would do one. What I came up with simply looked bizarre. The small airplane deaths were disproportionately among Democrats except for one 4-year span in which it was only Republicans. During the presidency of George H.W. Bush, Democrats were quite safe in small planes. Republicans, not so much. As soon as Bush was out of office, Republican air safety returned and Democrats crashed like Icarus. Like I said, I wish someone would do another small plane death chart and confirm or disprove that strange finding.

[DistressedAmerican]

40. Don't Forget Poor Hard Working Barbara Boxer!

She has made her share of enemies!

[Cha]

70. James Hatfield

springs to mind.

JFK, RFK, Martin Luther King..

[bornagainhuman]

75. i fear for his life

if he does go down somebody has to expose it or bushitler is unstoppable just like Hitler all his biggest opponents are dying

[mzmolly]

13. Not to mention small planes.

JFK JR.

Paul Wellstone.

[carnie_sf]

31. Paul Wellstone

[Stuckinthebush]

36. Don't forget George Wallace

Although a scum, he was a GOP enemy.

[TheUnspeakable]

85. John Lennon-please don't flame me.........

Last October (on Lennon's birthday) I posted some of this on another board and was badly flamed, but I can't help it- there was NEVER any trial, Chapman was just another 'LONE GUNMAN" traveling around the country, staying at nice hotels , with no visable source of income.
John was ALWAYS a source to be reckoned with and a HUGE influence on our culture-there a lot of unanswered questions about his death.


"Laurel and Hardy, that's John and Yoko. And we stand a better chance under that guise because all the serious people like Martin Luther King and Kennedy and Gandhi got shot."
-- John Lennon
links <http://www.oilempire.us/coup.html >
http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%20Articles/Jo... ]

or just google "john lennon murdered"

[mzmolly]

16. Thanks to the party who recommended my thread.

[mzmolly]

20. Thanks all who did so.

[Octafish]

21. Murder is the NAZI way.

And Eagleburger should know a NAZI when he sees one.

They don't beat those who oppose them. They kill them.

"No man. No problem."

Felt may be tagged "Deep Throat" and may have so been, but there's a bunch of stuff that came out of CREEP and the White House that indicate other sources, perhaps Alexander "I'm in charge here" Haig or George Herbert Walker "Out of the Loop" Bush.

Anonymous Sources as Composite Character

Is "Deep Throat" a Fictoid?

By EDWARD JAY EPSTEIN
June 1, 2005

On June 1, 2005, Mark W. Felt Jr., a retired FBI official, claimed that he was "Deep Throat," and he certainly was in a position to be a source for Bob Woodward (and many other reporters) during the Watergate era. Thirty years ago, in my book Between Fact and Fiction (1975), I wrote about Deep Throat,

"The prosecutors at the Department of Justice now believe the mysterious source was probably Mark W. Felt, Jr, who was then an associate deputy director, because one statement the reporters attribute to Deep throat could only have been made by Felt."

There were, similar stories in the Los Angeles Times by Jack Nelson, some published prior to Woodward and Bernstein's stories in the Washington Post, so presumably Felt had other outlets.

The traceable information concerned data from FBI 302 files that sent Woodward and Bernstein after Donald Segretti, which turned out to be, if not a wild goose chase, irrelevant to the Watergate crime. The prosecutors assumed that the reason Felt provided this information was, as I wrote in 1975, "to get rid of Gray," who then headed the FBI. Now that Woodward and Felt have confirmed this fact, it is no longer an issue that Felt was a source. The issue remains, however, is Felt the source described in Woodward's book as Deep Throat-- or is Felt part of a composite character.

Consider, for example, that Woodward's Deep Throat character tells him that a Nixon tape had been found to have "deliberate erasures". Woodward published that report in the Washington Post November 8, 1973. But in November 1973, according to records examined by Nixon's biographer Jonathan Aitken, only six people knew about the problem in the tape-- Richard Nixon; Rose Mary Woods (Nixon's personal secretary); Alexander Haig (The White House chief of staff); Haig's deputy, Major General John C Bennett and two trusted Nixon White House aides, Fred Buzhardt and Steve Bull. Felt-- or for that matter anyone else in the FBI-- was not privy to that information. If so, Felt cannot be the sole component of Deep Throat.

CONTINUED...

http://www.counterpunch.org/epstein06012005.html

[mzmolly]

22. I've wondered about Nixons Secretary as well.

hmmmmmm.

[jmcon007]

34. speaking of Nazis, while just a little off the subject...

Of course everyone is aware that Prescott Bush (poppy's father) fronted for Hitler's boys by maintaining a New York bank account for them DURING the war.
He and others operating the bank were caught and history records how severely Prescott was punished. NOT!
But, at least his career was ruined from that point on. NOT!
After aiding and abetting our worst enemy of the time, Prescott became senator and wholeheartedly fought the creation of the Food and Drug Administration. (The government has no right to make sure our food and drugs are safe. These corporations can police themselves.)
How is it, seriously, that every time one of the Bushies drops his skivies and takes a big shit a gold brick plops out? What are the rest of us doing wrong?

[bleever]

25. Good golly! Good catch!

Lots of dead people to back up your point, m.

[RBHam]

27. Standing on the bodies of the dead to escape this mortal sphere...

Reaching for Godhood...

Sums up the BFEE's philosophy.

[Bluebear]

30. kick

[Media_Lies_Daily]

32. I bet he's getting an earful right now....he may be next for leaking this.

[spanone]

35. They would certainly eliminate the threat today!!!

Mr. Felt, you just won a free one-way ticket to nirvana on Wellstone Airlines.....

[whistle]

42. That was exactly how the Nixon administration perceived.....

...everyone that Nixon believed to be his enemy. Shrub is pretty much of that same ilk!

[Tsiyu]

43. "Apparently it's a given that Republicans in high office are murderers?"

They are so bloodthirsty, violent and accepting of this that they don't even care if you or I know.

If one lived during JFK and Nixon's term and Johnson's term, who didn't get that? Watching JFK and Bobby and Martin murdered in cold blood gave me a lifelong loathing and disgust for the murderous thugs in the GOP.

The brazen fools are doing more than any of us could to turn more moderate voters away from that criminal party.

KEEP TALKING, YOU EVIL PIGS. JUST KEEP TALKING....

[Melynn]

68. Isn't funny how Nixon's three biggest political opponents were

assassinated in a five year span? I'm referring to JFK, RFK and MLK. Boy, what a coincidence.

[Tsiyu]

76. Yeah, the will of Gawd, perhaps

When I was a kid, Repukes scared the HELL out of me because of those murders. But then, that was their intent.

"Forget the Constitution. Forget every tenet of American Government and just be like the Mafia! Because we are the "moral" party." Yeah, right. Talk about your "culture of life" and threaten to kill anyone who doesn't buy into it?


Now that I'm grown, I realize that they are no more than common criminals, albeit a bit more organized. Now they disgust me and they should disgust every person who cares about the rule of law.

And to think they don't even try to hide the workings of their criminal minds as evidenced by the statement related in the OP...

[Kurovski]

47. Wow, just wow.

Oh, and when someone ends up dead who has been "in the way" (Clifford Baxter of Enron, Wellstone, the gent involved in the pre-Iraq info "scandal", writers, reporters in Iraq, etc) it's not "conspiracy theory" when it's all too often fair speculation.

Just because the vast majority of Americans wouldn't do such a thing does not make it out of the realm of possibility. Just because one invokes the name of Jesus at every turn does not cause a halo to appear.

[xray s]

48. It's a rare occasion when the Devil shows his true face...

...thanks to Eagleburger, we all just got a good look at it.

[agincourt]

51. They will do anything to stay in power,

unfortunately we have a servile population that doesn't get very excited about outrages of the GOP. It's too bad. It's a shame really.

[SmokingJacket]

54. Kick!

Because this is veeeeerrrryy innnnnteeerrrressstiiinnggg...

[Dangerously Amused]

55. Noe will be next.

His seedy world is unraveling, and the investigative journalists are all over him like wolves. He can't hold it together any longer. And as soon as he starts singing, he will taste the sudden, overwhelming and mysterious urge to "commit suicide." Or he will be involved in an "unfortunate accident." He has too many connections to Diebold and financing Ohio Repubs - and other big Repubs' (Bush, Schwartznegger) - campaigns. He is about to go down, the stakes are HIGH... and he knows too much.

Mark my words.

Bye-bye, Noe no.

[AlCzervik]

56. Was he aware he said that out loud?

[SlavesandBulldozers]

59. I remember Eagleburger saying that if Iraq didn't have WMD

the US would have "egg on its face".

This was on Donahue. Fuck i miss that show.

[AlCzervik]

60. you know what Limpballs said one day about the same thing?

"If iraw doesn't have wmds then don't worry liberals, we'll take care of Bush"

[SlavesandBulldozers]

61. hahhahaha

he really said that?

Oh but that's right, they "found some" I suppose - right? It's the liberal media who doesn't report it. That must be it.

[AlCzervik]

62. Yes i swear he said that, it was over a year ago and i was

in my car flipping round the dial when i came to his show, i never listen to him but i sopped because he was talking about WMDS and when they'll be founf, i heard it with me very own ears.

[kenny blankenship]

67. Are there transcripts of Rimjob's shows?

cos there otta be! We should be able to jam his words back down his lardchoked gullet everytime something like that happens.

[AlCzervik]

72. i dunno, i've never been to his site, i'm afraid of catching something

[kliljedahl]

64. That's Crossfire

Off the air after today unless I'm mistaken. Haven't watched it in years, used to but woke up.


Keith’s Barbeque Central

[Cha]

69. Glad you came out of

retirement for this one..mzmolly!

This is what I'm talkin' about!

[mzmolly]

73. Now, it's back to retirement for my ass!

I HOPE!

[Cha]

74. :)

Jolly Good! Whatever makes you happy!

[blm]

84. Hey....some of us are keeping it up. You can take a day off.

heheh.....this was a real, sharp catch, mzmolly.

[mzmolly]

87. Heh, thanks. I know you all will save our democracy for me, right!

LOL

[quaker bill]

77. It seems an obvious statement

How many other laws were broken? How many other people were dying in furtherance of administration policy?

One might believe they would have hesitated, but I don't think so.

[Callalily]

78. Thanks for posting

MZMOLLY . . . and great discussion. Brought back lots of old history. aquart, I too would be interested in a chart tallying small plane deaths. Maybe that's what it would take to send a wake-up call?!?!? One can only hope.

[DemoTex]

79. Eagleburger is on the board of directors of Halliburton. Never forget!

Lawrence Eagleburger

AKA Lawrence Sidney Eagleburger

Born: 1-Aug-1930
Birthplace: Milwaukee, WI


Gender: Male
Ethnicity: White
Sexual orientation: Straight
Occupation: Government

Level of fame: Somewhat
Executive summary: US Secretary of State 1982-84

Military service: U.S. Army (1952-4, 1st Lt.)

Wife: Marlene Ann Heinemann (m. 23-Apr-1966)
Son: Lawrence Scott Eagleburger
Son: Lawrence Andrew Eagleburger
Son: Lawrence Jason Eagleburger


University: BS, University of Wisconsin at Madison (1952)
University: MS, University of Wisconsin at Madison (1952)


U.S. Secretary of State 8-Dec-1992 to 1984 under George H.W. Bush
U.S. Ambassador Jun-1977 to Yugoslavia (3 years)
Alfalfa Club 1992
American Academy of Diplomacy Chairman Emeritus
AmeriCares Advisory Committee
Atlantic Institute for International Affairs
Council on Foreign Relations
International Republican Institute
Trilateral Commission
Young Republicans
Member of the Board of Conoco-Phillips
Member of the Board of Halliburton
Knight of the British Empire 1994 honorary
Risk Factors: Obesity

Fat Bastard!


http://www.nndb.com/company/167/000049020 /

http://www.nndb.com/people/340/000023271/

[SmokingJacket]

80. Are all his sons really named Lawrence?

It's the George-Foreman-complex. Really, it's gotta be a sign of megalomania getting out of hand. Naming ONE kid after yourself is not enough??

[mzmolly]

88. The connections are mafia-esque. I did not realize he was so close to

Cheney/Haliburton.

Great find, thanks!

[Imagine My Surprise]

82. This is not surprising (hence my screen name)...

it is a reflection of just how far the bar has been lowered or raised, depending on how you look at it.

When there is Senate debate over the singularly WORSE possible candidate (Bolton), when most people in the US are utterly ignorant of the existence of the Downing Street Memo, etc etc. such things don't surprise me.

I've never actually read "Through the Looking Glass", but from what I've heard, we are living it now.

Everything bad is good. Everything good is bad.

[Robworld]

86. The rebuttal has been lost by the "librell media"

http://www.dumdumgoestothecircus.com/

[Hardrada]

89. What about all those microbiologists getting killed?

Did they know something about US vs. Iraq WMD's or anthrax attacks Bushco didn't want revealed?

[Initech]

90. So would that make all governments liars and murderers?

Sounds like they just confessed it!

[RaleighNCDUer]

93. Let's not forget that if Bush family friend Hinkley had been successful

the first Bush presidency would have been in 80 instead of 86 (the year that Reagan's alzheimer's became so pronounced that he was incapable of actually running the government).

[formercia]

94. They do kill people that cross them

and I have first hand knowledge.

[mzmolly]

95. Really? Are you comfortable sharing?

Welcome to DU.

[formercia]

96. Not with the current FBI Director

or current Administration.

Robert Hanssen was the real Mole. They tried to kill an innocent man they thought was the bad guy.

[mzmolly]

97. Yikes!

Thanks for sharing.

[formercia]

98. That's why Hanssen operated for so long

They were too busy trying to kill the wrong man.

[mzmolly]

99. Oh my word.

Why join the MOB when you can work for the Government and get benefits ey?

[formercia]

100. A new crop of operators are in training

in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[mzmolly]

101. Operators?

Spys?

[formercia]

102. No

People who are discreet and don't mind getting their hands dirty.

[mzmolly]

103. What will they be doing? Interrogation? Assassination?

[formercia]

104. whatever needs to be done

They make problems go away.

[mzmolly]

105. My tax dollars at work.

Yippee!

I assume you have first hand knowledge because you are with the Gov in some capacity?

[formercia]

106. I was at one time

Now I will end by saying that the insanity has to stop. Someone has to be elected who will make the hard choices and put an end to it and the people that profit from it. It won't happen as long as this country is run by an organized crime family.

[mzmolly]

108. I agree.

Thanks for sharing your story.

Perhaps you can find a way to tell someone in the media, the whole story? It might make a difference?

[formercia]

111. Fuck the media

bunch of cheap whores that will do anything to promote themselves.I'm not looking for publicity. Publicity makes you a problem and problems have a way of going away.

[Logansquare]

109. They killed Dorothy Hunt

and 44 other unfortunates who were either on the plane with her or on the ground when it crashed.

[formercia]

110. She had a lot of money in her baggage too.

[Logansquare]

112. I've heard that, too. Perhaps she overreached? n/t

[formercia]

113. Problems just go away.

We'll never know.

[RBHam]

114. We'll never know?

Unless, of course, the people DEMANDED it.

Of course, that would take a committed populace and a nation wide revolt.

They might miss the series premiere of the "Real Gilligan's Island".

I guess your right...

[formercia]

117. Things like that don't leave a paper trail

It just gets done.

[Heidi]

116. Kick. (nt)

[RBHam]

118. kick

Gotta keep this baby up there.

[Hissyspit]

119. Remember Martha Mitchell?

Here's what my Mom emailed me about it, after I sent her this OP:

Remember Martha Mitchell? I wish the news media would dredge that up. She knew and was going to go public. Her husband had her sedated and declared mentally incompetent. She was always looked on as a looney tune broad from Arkansas when in reality she was just trying to get someone to listen to her. She died not a lot later and I was always inclined to think she was murdered.