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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 11:22 AM
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What Orwellian language will Rove/Luntz use to frame a coming draft?
Thanks to Jokerman 93, who posted the following reply to an article posted in LBN about fears regarding reinstitution of the draft, for getting me thinking about this:

"I doubt the "draft" will be instituted....

That would be far too straight forward and obvious. IMHO whatever program will replace the old style conscription has probably already been launched in some preliminary form under the radar.

I may be wrong of course, but it seems to me the Bush propaganda machine will so thoroughly re-frame what's taking place that most of the deeply ignorant kool-aide drinkers won't even realize what's happening (again) until it's far too late.

Seems like that's been Karl Roves MO from the beginning."


Here's a link to the original LBN post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1516867


Any guesses as to the language Rove and Luntz might use to "re-frame" the "draft" for public acceptance?

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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 11:23 AM
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1. Freedom Calling
?
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 11:25 AM
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2. No amount of framing will do the trick
The draft by any other name will smell as shitty. The people who had thought that yellow ribbons on their car were enough (they sacrificed a paint job!), will wake up from their stupor.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 11:25 AM
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3. I don't know how you reframe a draft?
I mean the origional draft was framed in this way. All Patriotic American men wanted to go fight the Huns or the Nazis or whoever. But we could afford to send all American Men over seas, so we held a lottery to see who among our fighting men got the privilage of fighting for his country. This logic fell apart well before vietnam, which put the stake through the heart.

But I don't know how you frame a program whereby they force abled bodied men to join the military as anything but a draft.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Stirk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 11:25 AM
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4. Enlistment Reform
Edited on Thu Jun-02-05 11:31 AM by Stirk
I'll even give you a rough sales pitch:

"In our post-9-11 world, we must rethink many of our old assumptions. Assumptions about safety. About liberty. About service to one's country. My staff and I have been tirelessly working to reform the system, to make it more able to deal with the new deadly terrorist threat. To that end, I'm introducing *Enlistment Reform*.

Ta-da.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 11:25 AM
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5. Voluntary Supplemental Military Service
or something of the sort

Maybe they'll take convicts from prison and give them an opportunity to serve in the military.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 11:31 AM
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8. They already do.
Lots of judges give repeat-offending teenagers the option of jail or military service. A friend of mine who is a decorated Airborne Ranger Sergeant got "sentenced" to the army when he was 17.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 11:28 AM
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6. National Service
If there is a draft, it could go two ways: either a universal draft, for both men and women, that allows war objectors to opt into domestic service programs, OR a highly targeted draft that only goes after people with specific skill sets: computers, medicine, mechanics, and of course big, healthy boys.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 11:31 AM
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9. Bingo on all counts!
Actually, from what little I've read about it, it's not OR but both. I could be wrong, but somewhere, I recall reading about the skill sets already in place and ready to be implemented...up to age 35 IIRC.
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 11:28 AM
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7. Hmmmmm
maybe "mandatory anti-terrorism patriotic duty rotation"...Or Family values protection and anti-terrorism personell deployment"...I'm not half as good at this as the Rovester, but maybe if I sell my soul to Satan and my ass to Enron, with practice, I may someday reach Luntzian greatness.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 11:33 AM
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10. Wow, mcctatas --
"maybe if I sell my soul to Satan and my ass to Enron, with practice, I may someday reach Luntzian greatness." Very good. I've often said that Satan only made one Karl Rove, and assigned him to George W. Bush.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 11:33 AM
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11. Mandatory Volunteer Service
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 11:33 AM
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12. "Special Skills Patriotic Opportunity!"
First the came for the programmers
Then they came for the nurses...
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 11:34 AM
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13. "Patriotism Opportunity" Act of 2005
Since the wealthier repukes aren't interested in sending their kids, there will be deferments for college. Women won't be drafted, either. This has to be made as palatable as possible for the repuke donors, so, as always, those drafted will be the poor and poorly educated. Won't those fundie types shit a brick when they realize their kids are about to become Bush cannon fodder?
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 11:48 AM
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14. I'd like to pass the "Sign Up or Shut Up" act
Which specifically targets able-bodied rah-rah war supporters under the age of 55. Strictly volunteer, of course--but if you refuse to go you have to put a bumper sticker on your car that says: I WAS ASKED TO SERVE BUT I HAD OTHER PRIORITIES, or maybe just: CHICKENHAWK.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 11:49 AM
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15. Excellent! nt
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 11:50 AM
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16. Damn fine idea!!
Could we make it retrocative to cover Korea and Vietnam too??
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Henny Penny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 12:10 PM
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17. Been unemployed for 3 months...?
In the right age group? No more welfare so you'd better sign up for the sake of the country, (and your starving kids)

(I'm not familiar with your welfare system over there, so you can put in the right time frames).

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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 12:13 PM
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18. NFL draft
Edited on Thu Jun-02-05 12:14 PM by faithnotgreed
the pro sports industry is basically one big republican roll call (except for my new favorite football player jake plummer).

so if you tell people they will be drafted for the nfl i think they may get a few more recruits

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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 12:35 PM
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19. No need to reframe.
There will be no draft. The Republicans are way too smart to hand such an issue to us. In fact, the only ones you hear talking about it are Democrats. And people wonder why we keep losing elections.:shrug:
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