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Pushed To The Left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 10:48 PM
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It's time for liberal-moderate alliance!
There should be two groups in politics: the radical right and those who oppose them. At a Meetup last night, a speaker from Americans United described the alliance between the religious right, "small-government" conservatives, and Neocons. In my opinion, someone who believes in "small government" shouldn't be aligning themselves with the religious right, who support a very intrusive government! However, they wanted to win, so they sold out what they believed in.

I believe that those of us who oppose the radical right---liberals, progressives, moderates, etc--don't agree on everything, but we have a hell of a lot more in common than a libertarian-conservative has with the religious right! If those groups can band together to form the radical right, then the rest of us should have no problem banding together to DESTROY them!

Even if the country is 50/50 when it comes to Democrat vs. Republican, I believe that the radical right probably makes up much less than 50%! If the battle was the radical right vs. everybody else, the radical right wouldn't stand a chance!
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 10:51 PM
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1. How 'bout Beat-Their-Ass Time? (Speaking of Wingnuts) n/t
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SouthernDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 12:01 AM
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2. More like...
you have the radical right, radical left and then everyone in between. The in-betweeners do not want either group to win. We are looking for a happy medium....
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 12:07 AM
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3. so much for the alliance.
:eyes:

Mind clarifying who you consider the "radical left"?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 12:09 AM
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5. Exactly... Here's where I am at
I'm over below and left of Gandhi.. Am I a radical or what?








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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 12:12 AM
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6. that's usually where I am in these things.
Yes, you're an evil radical. :D
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 12:12 AM
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7. *rubbing hands together in glee* Mwuahahahahahahahahah!!!!
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 12:13 AM
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8. Ya know, in real life I can't pull that evil laugh thing off. Have a
voice like Minnie Mouse. :P
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-05 07:26 AM
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49. Try a Cruella da Ville impression, then :-) (n/t)
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 12:13 AM
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9. you've got your Simon LeGree mustache, right?
;-)
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 12:15 AM
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10. Hey, I pay good money to wax that sucker off! I'm a girly girl.
*patting bouffant*
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 12:17 AM
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11. heh!
A girly girl and a GPV? Sacre bleu! ;-)
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 12:19 AM
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13. I eat meat and use plastic sandwish baggies too. *slapping wrist*
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 12:19 AM
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15. unclean! unclean!
:D
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 12:22 AM
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19. You can beat me with hemp sackcloth if ya want.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 12:24 AM
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20. well only if it's consentual.
:evilgrin:
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 12:24 AM
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21. Well, that's very PC of you. ;^D
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 12:19 AM
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14. heh. i heard green party voters arewhite middle class college students!
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 12:20 AM
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17. can't imagine where you heard that one...
:D
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 12:22 AM
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18. Well, that was me 12 years ago, but since then I graduated
and dropped down a socio-economic class. Not that I don't wish I were back up a level but hey.. it's how it is right now.
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Fone Book Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 12:25 AM
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22. where do you get those graphs from?
jw

The Popes on the left?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 12:26 AM
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23. Got them from
http://politicalcompass.org /

You gotta read the whole site to understand how the graphs work. You should try the test first though. :)
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Fone Book Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 12:45 AM
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29. thank you
economically, im in the same place as stalin, but the opposite of him socially
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 12:33 AM
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26. And here's where about 200 DUers mapped on the Political Compass...
Now, let's hear about "moderate" and "centrist," ... OK? :eyes:

(Maybe some people have a hard time knowing ideological friend from foe. Or maybe they just think 'centrist' sounds more "in." Damned nonsense.)

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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 10:57 PM
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42. ha...thats exactly where i am...in the 59% box.
nice to be in the majority of something =]
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 10:41 PM
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39. Probably people who don't support corporations like those in my sig line.
Just a thought...

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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 12:07 AM
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4. How radical is radical, anyhoo?
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 12:18 AM
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12. any time you'd care to clarify that, please let me know.
I'm quite curious.
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SouthernDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 08:32 AM
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35. Lets see...
Eco-Terrorist
Animal Rights Terrorist
Communist, socialist and anarchist (Of course there are degrees.)
Anti-religion
Want to disband the military.
Hate the Military and Police
Those preparing for the upcoming "civil war."
Anti-Business
"classist" meaning they are superior to others. IE: There views of the South, moderates and Christians.
They hate. The hate anyone that disagrees with them.
Have a sense of superiority. They are right and anyone that does not agree with them is an idiot.
Intolerence....


Extremist... Every party has them. Of course there are varying degrees.

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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 10:24 PM
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38. that's quite an endearing cariacature you've created.
Your contribution to the alliance is appreciated.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 10:46 PM
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40. "Have a sense of superiority." Are you looking in the mirror while typing?
Man, what a laughable post. Anti-religion means far left? Why can't it mean "doesn't believe in unprovable mythology"?

Do you like your boys in the DLC being in bed with the guys in my sig line?

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SouthernDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-05 01:55 AM
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46. There is anti-religion and then there is atheist.
I am agnostic but I do not care about religion. There are those that wish to ban it from all public display and life. For instance, changing the Pledge of Allegiance and currency. There are people that just hate religious people.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-05 02:54 AM
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48. Fair enough. I certainly don't want to eradicate people's faiths.
I'm not certain how hatred translates into "far left", though. Bigotry knows no political boundaries.

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 11:08 PM
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43. Does Anti-Business mean...
Edited on Sat May-28-05 11:12 PM by bvar22
*the right for LABOR to organize?

*those Working Americans who oppose NAFTA?

*those that believe that "barriers to trade" were put there for a reason, and shouldn't ALL be casually discarded without in depth examination of the consequences? (Ross was right)

*those who support transparency in Corporate Ownership?

*those who believe Environmental Polluters should be responsible?

*those who believe in Living Wages?

*those who believe that Companies that do business in the US should pay taxes in the US?

*those who believe that secret offshore Corporate accounts should be criminalized?

*those who believe that Corporate Lobbying should be criminalized? (the president of a Corporation can knock on all the Washington doors he wants to as an individual, but NO Corporate funds should find their way into our politicians pockets, campaigns, stomachs, family friends, or vacations.)?

*those who believe that Mom & Pop should be able to compete with Wal-Marts?

*those who believe that Mom & Pop should be able to compete with Agri-Business?



Do you call those people anti-business??

I consider myself VERY PRO-Business and I'm in favor of ALL those reforms.



BTW: The Centrists leaders of the Democratic Party (DLC) are AGAINST ALL of the items I listed above.
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SouthernDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-05 01:51 AM
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44. Notice I said to varying degrees. /eom
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 12:32 AM
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25. another centrist drive-by.
Maybe it'd help if y'all actually believed in something. :shrug:
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Pushed To The Left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 01:14 AM
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32. The radical right is winning right now
I would think that true centrists would want to put a stop to this any way they could. America is heavily lopsided to the right at this time. The best way to bring the country "to the middle" right now is to destroy the radical right. To do this, liberals and centrists must band together. The "circular firing squad" between those that oppose the radical right will lead us right into fascism.
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SouthernDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 08:33 AM
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36. You are correct.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 12:20 AM
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16. radical right, well radical left is much smaller too,
Edited on Sat May-28-05 12:29 AM by seabeyond
but that isnt why i am posting. the fundamentalists only stand at about 14%. not very high, but very loud. still not why i posted.

i received an interesting call from larouche. the funny, he literally takes credit for busting nuclear option, jan 6 boxer. he laid out what the senators needed to do. i laughed thru a lot of the call, but told the woman, i am not opposed to getting every single person who wants to take bush down under one tent. not opposed at all. so welcome larouche, lol

hear ya
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 12:30 AM
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24. All hands on the deck of democracy! ALL HANDS ON DECK!!!
You are either FOR perpetuating the ideal of democracy or you are AGAINST democracy!!!

There's a black and white stand worth uniting to fight against the corporacrats who would steal it from us.

Until we place a firm leash on the corporacrats, WE ALL LOSE!!!! So, set aside unique causes which will fail unless we join in a common cause to defeat those who seek power over us all!!!
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 12:34 AM
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27. We trieds that.. tehy stole the election... again.. So. What now?
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 10:48 PM
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41. Indeed, corporatists must be stopped.
So, are we going to hold those corporatists in the Dem party as responsible as the Repubs?

If not, I'm SO not interested.

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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 12:43 AM
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28. ok - disregarding the naysayers,
on what do we base such an alliance? Opposing Bush doesn't get us far, especially since he won't be running in 2008.
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Pushed To The Left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 01:01 AM
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30. Opposing the radical right!
John McCain, John Kerry, Dennis Kucinich, and Ralph Nader are all very different politically, but they all oppose the radical religious right. What if all of these people were involved in a coalition to destroy the hardcore radical right? Democrats, Greens, Independents, traditional Republicans, liberals, real libertarians, etc. could stand together in this particular fight. I'm not just talking about general elections. I'm talking about primaries, judicial nominees, and activist groups. For example, Republicans who are part of the coalition could concentrate on knocking out the radical right during the primaries. If we can get the traditional conservatives to knock the religious right and the neocons out of their party, then those radical groups will lose any power they used to have. Just imagine if every Republican who was part of the filibuster compromise decided to vote against far-right nominees! I plan on writing the non-neocon and non-theocon Republicans and urging them to do this!
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 01:04 AM
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31. check post #2.
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spindoctor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 02:07 AM
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33. I believe we've been singing that song for the past 8 years or so
and what has it done for us?

You see, a liberal-moderate alliance meant having a moderate frontman and a silent liberal majority.
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Pushed To The Left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 03:28 AM
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34. I'm talking about something bigger than that
Edited on Sat May-28-05 03:28 AM by Pushed To The Left
I'm not just talking about elections. I'm talking about a continuous effort by everybody on the left, right, and middle who oppose the radical right wing agenda. Some conservatives are getting turned off by the religious right and neocons. We're seeing that in the Senate right now. Moderate Republicans want their party back. Democrats want the religious right and neocons out of the picture. Moderates want to move the country to the middle, and they can do so with the elimination of the radical right!
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 08:36 AM
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37. The Left needs to stay left, the moderates will come to us out of necessit
we are most effective if we stand our ground.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-05 01:53 AM
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45. Exactly.
We don't need to move to the center, the moderates need to come to us.

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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-05 01:59 AM
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47. I don't think so.
We need to know which side our bread is buttered on, and to unite against the republicans.

Just because we may not like one or two positions a democrat takes, he still is better than any f***ing repug.
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