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southernleftylady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 04:18 PM
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Instead of "pro life" I'm going to start calling them "pro birth"
all these repugs who are for this war, for the death penalty and are against giving people health care, a good education..
the correct term will be from now on
pro birth
not pro life..
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 04:19 PM
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1. That's a great way to put it.
I'm gonna start using that now.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 04:19 PM
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2. pro-fetus.
that's the extent of their concern.
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 04:20 PM
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I prefer anti-choice, but not playing by their rules always deserves
applause.

:applause:
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 04:31 PM
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16. that's right KG
once the baby is born, it's 'somebody elses responsibility'-

Welfare reform and pro-life are oxymorons
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 04:42 PM
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20. Life does not end at birth
Something they tend to ignore
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 08:02 PM
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38. it does
if you are unlucky enough to be born into a situation where you need compassion and help (especially monetary help) from the very people who insist you MUST be born.-
Then you are the product of 'irresponsible' people, who need to 'get a job' (which many have, but can't support themselves, let alone a baby in need)- and if you recieve any help, you are a 'drain on society'-
Or become old, and 'in the way'- you should have 'planned better'

"Woe to you, scribes and pharasees- you give your money freely to the churches yet leave your parents to starve, and neglect the helpless, needy and poor." (paraphrasing the REAL Christ, not the 'religious')
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 04:20 PM
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3. i like anti choice n/t
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 04:20 PM
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4. They certainly aren't pro-life
it's infuriating.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 04:20 PM
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5. They're pro-vote. They'll say anything to get the fundie vote.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 04:21 PM
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6. don't forget "forced pregnancy initiatives"
that's my personal fave
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 04:22 PM
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7. I call them Anti-Choice
They're ANYTHING but pro-life. They're against choice, period.
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 04:23 PM
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8. Even though I am Pro-Choice I have a bumper sticker
that says: Pro-War
Pro-Death Penalty is NOT Pro-Life

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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 04:23 PM
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9. Pro Choice and Anti Choice is the way I have always put it!
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 04:30 PM
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15. same here, they aren't Pro life
Edited on Tue May-24-05 04:31 PM by mitchtv
Anti- choice for me. BTW, we should correct anyone who uses it here.along with Democrat Party(Democratic). We have got to get a hold on the labeling, which the Pukes own. LIke death tax, tax relief etc
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 04:23 PM
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10. Yup, 'cause they certainly don't care what happens afterward...
unless the fetus grows up and wants to marry his/her gay partner
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 04:24 PM
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11. Pro-birth to make sure that a sufficient number of Bushitler youth
...are created, but pro-life in that only the privileged are saved to enjoy the fruits of the society and anti-life in that the rest are sacrificed at the alters of capitalism, militarism and expansionist imperialism.
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 04:26 PM
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12. Maybe pro-Mandatory Motherhood, ready or not.
It's the punishment of the woman they're after -- they don't give a hoot in the rain about the child or there would be well-baby clinics and decent affordable daycare.
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 04:30 PM
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14. Mandatory Motherhood Movement.
Edited on Tue May-24-05 04:30 PM by Pryderi
Don't need pro as a prefix. ;)
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 05:14 PM
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24. You're right about them not giving a hoot in the rain about the child
... and this includes the embryos & fetuses they pretend to protect & defend... otherwise they would support programs & policies that help an embryo/fetus during the pregnancy... such as pre-natal clinics, Medicaid, WIC, food stamps, subsidized housing, maternity leave, ad infinitum.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 08:09 PM
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39. and....
.... the elderly, who i've found become very 'child-like' and needy (but sadly,not as 'cute') in most peoples eyes- a reminder of what lies ahead for them, and something they fear and loathe. (speaking of a broad spectrum of 'pro-lifers')

Nursing homes can be such sad, depressing places-
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wurzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 04:29 PM
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13. They are not "pro" anything!
They see the pain childbirth as the woman's "punishment" for having sex. And the child itself as a kind of "scarlet letter". It is the price everyone must pay who has sex in or out of marriage. They don't really care about the child or the parents at all. If they did they would be for healthcare, housing and education.
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Extend a Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 04:35 PM
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17. what about
forced-birth? forced pregnancy?
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southernleftylady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 04:47 PM
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22. nope they will just say that women need to keep their knees together.
just went thru this with one of them :rolleyes:
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 04:38 PM
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18. I've been saying that for a while now. I even started a thread about it
they really don't give a shit about that life once it's born.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 04:40 PM
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19. Don't call them Pro anything other than Pro-Death they are Anti
They are Anti-Abortion, Anti Stem Cell Research, Anti Education, Anti Environment. They are Pro tobacco, Pro Death Penalty, Pro War, Pro Gun. The things they are Pro over create death. The things they are anti aid life.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 04:43 PM
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21. Pro-forced-pregnancy w/o exception & anti-life antihumanitarians
... is also a fitting term for them.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 04:52 PM
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23. I like that
Don't really care for pro-birth. It is a more accurate description, but it doesn't express my utter contempt for these hypocrites.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 06:07 PM
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28. I don't care for the term 'pro-birth', either, as the flip side would be
... 'anti-birth', which would reflect inaccurately & negatively on pro-choice advocates.

I don't consider those 'pro-life' hypocrites as being 'pro-birth', considering that they don't support the very programs & policies that help to ensure a healthy birth... pre-natal clinics, Medicaid, WIC, food stamps, subsidized housing, maternity leave, ad infinitum.
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 05:32 PM
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25. We need to call them "anti-" something
I'm not sure what "something" is, but calling them "pro-" anything puts them in a favorable light.


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jsw_81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 05:38 PM
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26. Pro mandatory pregnancy
They're definitely NOT pro life, that's for sure.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 05:44 PM
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27. Very astute call. You have stated their position with much
greater precision. thanks.
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 06:09 PM
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29. Anti privacy is better. Or maybe just plain nosy.
The right wing all needs a big 'MYOB' right in their faces.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 06:17 PM
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30. FORCED BIRTHERS was the best term I have heard
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 07:13 PM
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32. How about "forced birth stormtroopers"?
Because that's what many of them are. Every few weeks, they put on their uniforms and storm women's health facilities, invading vulnerable patients' privacy and threatening health professionals.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 06:27 PM
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31. I don't think that's a very good frame
Most people have very positive asociations with the word "birth." They think of a beaming mother holding a tiny baby, the happiest day in thier lives and they can't relate to anybody who wouldn't want that high when they see thier child for the first time.

Birth is very empowering, which is why middle aged white men (be they Republicans or malpractice insurance guys or obgyns) try so hard to control it and keep women down on thier backs and vulnerable (literally and figuratively) at what should be thier most poweful and transformative moment.

Enforced pregnancy may be better, since most people find being pregnant a bit of a drag. Anti-choice is a good one, so is anti-woman and anti-sex.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 07:20 PM
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33. Fetus Liberation Front
The ends justify the means, and all that matters is that very first breath of air for the newborn. After that, a big "fuck you" to the kid and the host parent.
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 07:21 PM
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34. I call them ANTI-choice
Edited on Tue May-24-05 07:22 PM by Piperay
because really they aren't pro anything. Also I have heard that the public is more negative toward the term ANTI than something defined by PRO...it's all semantics.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 07:23 PM
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35. I actually call them pro-fetus
since that's all they seem to care about. No health care talk, no proper education talk and no pro-enviornment talk for kids. So it's all pro-fetus.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 07:36 PM
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36. They are NOT pro-fetus
As I posted before, if they cared about the fetus, they would support programs & policies that help the fetus during gestation... such as pre-natal clinics, Medicaid, WIC, food stamps, subsidized housing, maternity leave, ad infinitum.

They are anti-life, antihumanitarian, forced pregnancy stormtroopers.
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Nobody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 07:46 PM
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37. They're pro choice as long as it's not the woman who makes the choice
Scratch most of the people who want to outlaw Roe v Wade and you'll get most to admit that there are circumstances that they'd find it acceptable for a woman to abort.

Rape and life of mother. Let's take a look at these:

Rape: How many rape victims are interested in letting strangers have access to the police records? How many rape victims are willing to let strangers dig around in their medical records if they should seek medical treatment? Should a rape victim be required to convince strangers that they were in fact raped? Why should they? The strangers who want to decide her course of action have not offered anything to the woman in the way of friendship or anything else.

Life of mother: Should a stranger who knows neither you nor your family be allowed to decide for you how much risk is too much risk? What if you're not covered by health insurance? Are you willing to let strangers into your medical records? Why should people have access to your medical records, making medical decisions for you and your family when they have not offered a caring hand.

If someone else gets to decide and you don't, who does your next of kin sue if you die after you were denied an abortion requested on the grounds of life of mother?

It's not abortion these people oppose, it's the woman having anything to do with making her own choices, choices she and not these strangers will have to live with.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 08:10 PM
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40. Nope
Their eponym is and always will be "anti-choice."
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 08:17 PM
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41. here's my whack at this
"It's about Children's Rights"

Oh wait, children don't have any rights.

Having considered this subject for some time, (who hasn't?) It appears to me the best way to react to the choice vs. anti-choice rhetoric is to begin demanding something like a complete "Bill of Rights for Kids."

Rights like medical care, daycare, an equal education, the right to be adopted if born and not wanted, and the right to have parents who love and cherish you.

The right to a clean, safe environment and a Right to a government that ensures he is not indebted the day he is born.
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