Turn on C-SPAN 2...FRIST is talking about the "agreement" and is not happy

[in_cog_ni_to]

"This agreement will mean very little." SEE!!!!!! They WILL NOT HONOR THIS FUCKING AGREEMENT! He just said, "I will not hesitate to use the nuclear option"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HELLO PEOPLE! NOW do you see what kind of people we are dealing with here??? He WILL set a date to use the nuclear option!!! He just said that! :grr:

[in_cog_ni_to]

1. They got their 3 fucking judges and he intends to use the nuclear option

Yeah, we won. :eyes:

[whistle]

2. Listen to the fuck, he wants votes on all the judges....

...and if not he'll still pull the constitutional option to eliminate the filibuster.

[whistle]

11. Reid on now, he wants Frist to drop it in his nice soft tone of voice

...right now I wish that Howard Dean was up at that podium opposing Frist.

[Norquist Nemesis]

31. PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE!

Ok...I'm being picky...but DON'T allow them to re-label the "NUCLEAR" option and morph it into "Constitutional". They're doing it today by putting it on a continuous loop for the media sound bytes.

It is NOT a Constitutional option. That's simply the new Luntzspeak label designed to manipulate the public. People may not have been paying much attention before, but now that the "agreement" is all over the MSM, they will be seeking to find out more information. Today will be the starting point and all they're going to hear is "Constitutional Option" from Republicans...Democrats will be taped saying "Nuclear".

Democrats need to call it the "Republican Named Nuclear Option" every time, and not even breathe the words "Constitutional Option".

[johnaries]

40. How about UN-Constitutional Option?

Although there's nothing in the Constitution about it one way or another, so maybe NON-Constitutional Option is better.

[Norquist Nemesis]

41. Personally, I'd say keep the "Nuclear Option" pinned to their

lapels and add 'Republican Named' each and every time. Once you give in using any form of 'Constitutional' as related to the filibuster discussion, you've conceded their new and improved Luntzspeak.

[DistressedAmerican]

3. Not Worth The Informal Agreement It Is Based On!

I said it last night.

Get ready to get burned off of the reservation!!!

Nice to see Frist so pissed off though. Arrogance finally bites him on the ass with a Nuclear Punch!

[MADem]

4. Good, let him

The media is spinning this the Dem's way, and McCain's way, and Warner's way. Let PissyFrist look like a peckerwood whiney asshole. He must have gotten a phone call from Big Dick....he can yell all he wants, it just makes him look like an obstructionist who cannot read the mood of the nation.

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. Did you forget something?

The White House and the repukes OWN the media! They will NOT spin anything our way when push comes to shove!

[MADem]

23. I've been monitoring the cables since the deal went down

...and it is all going our way. The commentary is plainly slanted in favor of moderation, not reactionary right wing high dudgeon. The whiners are coming off badly.

The corporate media pigs go where the MONEY is. And so far, they own the White House--not the other way around. But in order to survive in the news biz, they need customers...and the customers are sick of the Chimp, his greedy, wasteful war, his soaring deficits, his shitty Social Security plan, the rising unemployment, inflation, property taxes, lousy schools, a whole host of crap.

The media have no ideological bent, they worship at the altars of Cash and Power. And they see that power is shifting, so they are playing it accordingly. I have noticed that even Faux is running some very critical pieces, between their pandering to the rightwingers. They sense a sea change, and so do I.

Frist was just trying to cut off debate right now, and use strong words to placate the far right, who feel 'betrayed.' The debate will continue till noon, and then they will vote. The crazy Owen may get the job, but she will be forever a Bork if she does.

[Blue_Roses]

25. Thank-you and wellsaid!!!

I'm so sick of all the henny-penny crap. Frist is blowing in the wind. He knows he's been beaten and this is a ploy for him to "save face"...:rofl:...politics...just politics.

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. Since I never watch the propaganda on the MSM networks,

I'll have to take your word on this. ;) I so hope you're right.

[babylonsister]

12. Hear, hear! Who made Frist all powerful anyway? Not

even his own party agrees with him. I think he's acting threatening to save a bit of face, or to try to remove some of that egg.

[merbex]

20. I'm with you on this

your assesment is right on IMHO

[Goldeneye]

5. The moderates would have to pull out

of the deal they made for the nuke option to get through. I don't know if that will happen any time soon. Basically what we have are the moderates from both parties running the show. They decide who is and is not to radical too be a judge.

[merbex]

6. I have confidence that the American people can recognize a

naked power grab and a double cross when they see one

[Plaid Adder]

10. If they could, Bush would be out of office by now. n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

14. BINGO! n/t

[merbex]

17. He scared them with terrorists- THIS is about stuff we all had to

learn in school:the checks and balances,the Founding Fathers

I think it is different and so far the polls are showing that the public gets it

Can't blame this on terrorists,except the homegrown variety

[0007]

45. Gee whiz! The American people can't recognize a "Naked Power Grab"

or we wouldn't be where we're at today.

The American people are still snoozing away even though the filibuster had 70% of the people against it.

[jzodda]

8. Of course hes not happy!

His prospects for 2008 for being the nominee of the far right have just taken a hit. He put ALL his eggs into winnning this battle for his selfish reasons and lost. IMO its the only good thing to come out of this, since I hate frist I am glad he lost on a personal level.

[Hobarticus]

9. Too late...the damage has been done to the Quack

The media jumped all over the agreement and trumpeted it as 'compromise'. The public is opposed to the elimination of filibusters and Congress knows it. If they undermine this, they'll get eaten up; their poll numbers are going through the floor as it is, even lower than Dubya's. '06 is closer than they think...

[SheepyMcSheepster]

13. i don't really see what anyone can do about it

it's like putting off the inevitable.
the only thing that one can hope for is that he doesn't have enough votes to go nukuler..........right?

[in_cog_ni_to]

15. that's correct. And who exactly do we trust here?

The repuke moderates? :eyes:

[seabeyond]

16. a bigger knock down drag out fight

actually my view is shifting a bet from disappointment of last night, to seeing what this could possibly give the dems.

[returnable]

18. But you're missing the point of the agreement...

...if Frist attempts to trigger the nuclear option over these remaining nominees, the 7 GOP senators who signed this agreement will NOT vote with him.

In other words, he doesn't have the votes to kill the filibuster.

[in_cog_ni_to]

21. That's just on these 3 judges though.

Three RADICAL judges, I might add. That doesn't mean they will not support the nuclear option in the next 3 1/2 years.

[returnable]

28. So your choice would've been no compromise...

...and Frist being able to wipe out the filibuster today, and thus enable the GOP to cram even MORE radical nutjobs into the judiciary for the next 3.5 years, including a SCOTUS seat or two?

That's the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

It's not a great deal, and Owens (and particularly) Brown are crackpots. No argument there.

But they were gonna get through, one way or another, eventually.

The Dems scored a PR win, Frist and the radical right got pantsed, and the judicial filibuster lives. There is now a full-on culture war within the GOP, and I'm A-OK with that.

Sure, this was a short-term fix with no real teeth over the long haul. But a short-term fix was what was needed - we need to keep these jokers in check as best we can until we gain some more seats in 2006. And this deal served that purpose.

[Telly Savalas]

37. Thanks!

What a wonderfully succinct summary of the merits (and limitations) of this deal. 'Tis a shame it's being drowned out by all the screams of "The DEMOCrats CAVED!!!!!111 fIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!"

[kentuck]

22. You're right. If the middle holds....

He doesn't have a simple majority.

[Roland99]

19. First is just pissed cuz Dobson just rammed his fist further up his ass!!

First has just been marginalized and he knows it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

24. Jeff Sessions...man I detest that asshole

and his grating, whiny ass voice! :grr:

[Norquist Nemesis]

33. I had to turn it off

I can't stand him either. He's fueling the fire all over again on this following like a lap dog behind his 'distinguished leader'. :puke:

I sure hope the "moderates" are duly pissed at getting stabbed in the back by Frist and his Wimps and Wussies Bobble Heads.

[Bill McBlueState]

27. Would you prefer an agreement that Frist *is* happy with?

I'm glad he's unhappy with the agreement. Means we got to him.

[in_cog_ni_to]

29. Nope. Sure wouldn't.

However; it would have been nice to have had our Dems stand up to these fascist bastards. Just once.

I'm glad Frist is pissed, but he's STILL going to use the nuclear option.

[Coexist]

30. and the Gang of 14 has made is perfectly clear

that they hold all the cards - not Frist. Not Reid.
Frist is scrambling and blustering - ignore him.

Since when do you believe what comes out of his mouth?!

[in_cog_ni_to]

32. : ) Never.

;) And we are to trust the gang of 14? 7 ARE republicans you know. Since when do you trust anything ANY republican says? I trust NONE of them. All I can see in McCain is him kissing and hugging the chimp on the campaign trail. Yeah, I'm gonna trust him. :eyes:

[kentuck]

34. That's assuming the 14 will hold up under the pressure...

They will be threatened.

[Norquist Nemesis]

35. And a few of the Dems will happily hustle over

with big cheese grins, too. Let's see Lieberman, Nelson, Salazar and maybe even Pryor.

[in_cog_ni_to]

36. Exactly.

The moderate Dems are much too anxious to be "moderate".

[Coexist]

39. did any of you ever think

that moderate Democrats might be elected in states that are more mixed. Imagine that for a sec - okay - an electorate that is mixed.

So - leadership on both sides of an issue meet to work out a compromise (no talking about nuclear option here). Dems agree to give votes necessary on Issue X in exchange for enough Rep votes for Issue Y to fail.

Now, some Dems have to publicly vote for this. Who does the leadership give those yea votes to? The politicians who need to appear moderate to their constituency, thus assisting their re-election campaign. I am not saying that this happens on every vote - but it is POLITICS people.

[Norquist Nemesis]

42. Unfortunately, it hasn't been working that way since Frist and`

the "Hammer" took the reins. While the moderate Dems are making deals, moderate Republicans are lining up behind Bush, Frist, and DeLay at almost every turn.

[Coexist]

43. but - not over this one. That is what is good

a small rip often leads to a big tear.

[Boo Boo]

38. Yup. That's what happens when you cut deals with

the people who aren't running the show. We gave 'em a pass on the judges that previously were unacceptable (and still are), and Bush/Rove/Frist are not on board with the compromise in any way. This war over judicial nominees motivates their base in a big way, why would they stop? It'll only hurt them in '06 if they do.

[TWiley]

44. Did you expect those Republican Bastards to tell the truth?

When will the coma end? If their lips are moving: THEN THEY ARE LYING.


Never enter into an agreement with them.