Olbermann Doesn't Look Too Excited

[KingOfLostSouls]

I can't blame him. I think he knew that we're fucked.

The GOP think about 2 elections ahead of time, they're going to do everything they can to win seats in '06, we know that. But I think now the score is even higher

and as much as we're doing our lil victory dance, we seem to forget that the so called "moderates" are right of center to begin with. The "CENTER" in our political spectrum now is to the right of Richard Nixon

if anyone thinks Chimpy Von Smirk is going to stick to this deal is whistling dixie. You can argue, you can debate, but the simple fact is this, I am right.

they have a mission plan and they're not going to be denied.

just look at the past 4 years.

[LSparkle]

1. Yeah, look who's on "our" side: Joe-Mentum, Nelson,

all DLC! In the right/left tug-of-war, we've lost ground today if the reps on our side who made it happen were the DINOs.

Good for Keith !!!

[Soup Bean]

2. Senator Byrd looked happy.

He can't do a victory dance for "preserving the Republic"?

[Pacifist Patriot]

3. Hate to burst your pessimistic bubble, but...

I'm in an optimistic frame of mind. I've been working my precinct today. A decidedly Red precinct I might add. Or at least the Supervisor of Elections thinks it is. Democrats are mobilized and Republicans are feeling betrayed.

I helped a Republican switch party affiliations today.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1803102&mesg_id=1803102

Republicans blinked.

[KingOfLostSouls]

6. Don't talk to me about "red states"

considering my home area has been trying to make a 51st state

if you're going to trust in the "goodwill" of the neocons, you're living in another reality.

all they have to do is when we say "extraordinary circumstances" they have to simply say, "well, we don't see it that way."

they get the nominees they wanted

they still have the option of stopping the filibuster if they want to

they're going to get scalia as chief justice

and they're definately looking for the next year after the elections and they have their eyes on the prize

when the time to vote comes down, we may change a few repubs, but in the long run they're not gonna vote for a democrat over a repub.

this is a loss

[FreedomAngel82]

7. Exactly

That's what was talked about on Majority Report. What is unclear is "extordinary." It's all a win for them. We're fucked. Next up: patriot act and patriot act two.

[Pacifist Patriot]

9. Sorry, but I am going to stop acting like a loser and

accepting wins when they come. They blinked and there is no way around it. The Republicans held a majority in congress and still couldn't get the nuclear option passed. The fact that they agreed to a settlement instead of forcing it to a vote means they didn't have the votes and they knew it. The Democrats have retained the right to fillibuster future nominees and "extreme circumstances" translates directly into "Supreme Court nominees."

The Freepers are right and the naysaying DUers are wrong. We won! Get used to it folks. Stop believing you are losers and start acting like winners.

This has nothing to do with trusting neocons. They didn't have the votes, pure and simple. They finally ran up against something about which they could not manipulate popular opinion. They have overstepped their bounds and people are seeing it.

[KingOfLostSouls]

12. Thats fine, accept at as a win

the truth of the matter is neoconservatism is a movement

eric alterman had it summed up best with a quote from, I forget who, over at the DOD, to the extent of "we're an empire now, we don't care what you think." and about being "actors in history."

now they're going to be even more bloodthirsty for seats of democrat senators in red states, and they'll be able to slam the moderates against the base of the GOP.

this is a long term goal by Rove and the others to build a one party nation, that is the end. They don't care about a few compromises to make things look good here and there. Now if the dems filibuster ANY supreme court nominee, they not only have the ability to retain the nuclear option, they'll be able to say, "hey we tried to compromise and now they're still at it, they leave us no choice."

again, all one has to do is look at the history of the neocons. everyone knows iraq was a failure and what do they do? promote condi and wolfy.

this is a long term mission and now they can let things cool off for '06, Frist can look like a stalwart leader to the base, the moderates can look like sellouts, and they keep the nuclear option.

heres an even clearer indicator.

anything lieberman touches with a smile is bad for us.

[Pacifist Patriot]

13. Neoconservatism is definitely a movement.

But that doesn't mean it has unbeatable momentum. I refuse to give up. It is possible to be an optimist AND a realist you know.

[KingOfLostSouls]

16. No one's giving up

the simple fact is it would have been better to let frist go nuclear and THEN drag in the moderates, hagel, specter, snowe, etc

now he's going to be "taking one for the team." even if he doesn't have the presidency anymore, mccain sold himself out long ago for his chance at power.

letting frist go nuclear would have yanked the religious right out of just the daily show fun talking points to everyone and people would have been like terri schiavo like, "these people are nuts."

now, they have a bit of leverage. we can say "extraordinary circumstances" they simply go back to "obstructionist."

and they're going to be able to now have open war on any moderate in the GOP and replace him with an even more extreme candidate.

the DLC's hand in this undermines any hope of moving this party back from a Right of center DINO clan to a party of democratic principles.

we look weaker, but we get to say we had a victory, joe lierberman gets to sit there with that stupid smile on his face with his eyes half closed, content that once again, he has helped fuck the democratic party completely over.

[jojo54]

4. You hit it right on the head

Commander Cuckoo Bananas won't stop here. The destruction of freedom and democracy has begun.

[Carla in Ca]

5. Maybe this will help

New CNN/USAT/Gallup, shown on CNN now -

"Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president?"

Approve 46% (50%)
Disapprove 50% (45%)
"... the economy?"
Approve 40% (43%)
Disapprove 58% (53%)

"... the situation in Iraq?"
Approve 40% (42%)
Disapprove 56% (55%)

"... Social Security?"
Approve 33% (35%)
Disapprove 59% (58%)

[FreedomAngel82]

10. And you think they listen to us?

We're in a dicatorship pure and simple. If they listened to the public we wouldn't even be talking about this now. We'd have a better economy and public education system. But we don't have it so they don't give a damn about us.

[spooky3]

15. If those numbers get much worse, they will. The numbers aren't bad

enough yet to panic and aren't consistently enough in a downward spiral--they could bounce up again. But Congresspeople are all looking out for #1, and if they see that * is becoming a burden to them and that their own reelection chances might be harmed by staying close to a "loser", his regime will have no power to force their will any more. Those in safe districts already have enough power to say no to *'s pressure if they wanted to. So obviously there are always going to be a core group that will go with the extremists. But many others will be keeping a close watch on the #s.

[Johonny]

14. Hehe

I always love those polls. His overall approval rating is always higher than any subject area. It's like people are trying to find a reason to like the guy.

[AlGore-08.com]

8. Excellent point - - these guys play chess while we play checkers

They have no problem sacrificing a pawn, a knight, or even a queen in order to win.

[shance]

11. "The GOP thinks 2 elections ahead of time"......Absolutely

We must begin to think more like they do.....ahead of schedule and to never back down.

[femme.democratique]

17. Chimpy Von Smirk! So funny.....

I like Chimpy McFuckface myself...