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Kevin Spidel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:24 PM
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CNN Just broke in with "Deal made on the filibuster debate"
Liberman staffers and other Democratic Senate Staff confirmed...

more at www.cnn.com


stay tuned...
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:25 PM
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1. Oh, god.
I'm scared.
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:31 PM
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15. BRACE YOURSELVES!!! Lieberman is involved!!!
:nuke:
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:33 PM
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18. Damn! My very first thought.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:42 PM
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Why am I not surprised?
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:33 PM
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20. Absolutely.
n/t
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:36 PM
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28. The corporatists have screwed us again
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:49 PM
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54. it looks like they caved in and allowed cloture on the two religious
natzis...i don't get it...looks to me like the pukes got everything they wanted without having to do something very stupid that would have destroyed them in 06
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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:43 PM
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40. From Dailykos
Edited on Mon May-23-05 06:53 PM by Carla in Ca

BREAKING: CSPAN2, Frist just called for quorum
by bewert


Mon May 23rd, 2005 at 14:43:19 PDT

and asked that all absent members be requested to come to the floor. Could this be it?
I'm hand delivering a letter to the local office of Gordon Smith later this afternoon, and plan to engage in a little chit-chat with the staff. Should be interesting, as my mug was all over the local TV news leading the MoveOn Rally for the Filibuster.

Tune in if you can, its on the net at c-span.org.



Senate Avoids Showdown
<http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7957374 />
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:26 PM
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2. Damn.
I wanted a showdown.

They better not have given too much away...
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:26 PM
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3. Hm, and Bayh just halted in the middle of his speech
Maybe someone passed him a note.

If this is true, Joe-Mentum is going to take credit and hope he can keep Dems from running someone against him in '06.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:27 PM
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6. I will never vote for Lieberman.
I don't care who his opponent is.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:27 PM
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4. Geee. Who could have predicted this?
:puke:
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:27 PM
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5. Nominated!
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:27 PM
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7. any deal
that preserves our right to filibuster supreme court nominees is fine with me. Incidentally, DU hero Barbara Boxer said the same thing last week on the Ed Schultz show.
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Kevin Spidel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:28 PM
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8. AP Confirmed - Senate Moderates to hold Press conference at 7:30EST
on msnbc now!
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:29 PM
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10. We still have moderates?
*sigh*

I hope they haven't given up.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:28 PM
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9. Galloway has left the building...n/t
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sarahlee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:33 PM
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19. Hope not. . . .
"Galloway has left the building.."

I would laugh, but I hope some of his spirit has remained.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:30 PM
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11. NO F****ing way!!!!!!
Did they say what the deal is? :grr:
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:30 PM
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12. No details yet...
A bipartisan group of senators has reached a deal to avert a showdown over President Bush's judicial nominees, congressional sources tell CNN. Details soon
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:32 PM
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17. Crap. What did they give away? Which RW
radical, wacko nut job Jesus Freak judges will they confirm? I wonder?

Can't wait to hear this one. :eyes:
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:47 PM
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45. yep, we will give away the store
they will vote for cloture on Owens, Brown, & others in exchange for avoiding the nuclear option. Just wait, the rethugs will use the nuclear option whenever it suits them in the future. What have we gained? Bring the Dems a wheelchair for their degenerative spinal disease.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:30 PM
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13. For those of us who don't use cable news, what happened?
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:32 PM
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16. We don't know yet, except they struck a bipartisan deal
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:46 PM
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44. thanks, ultraist. I just wasn't aware that a deal had gone down --
-- I hope we didn't give up too much in this deal.

Thanks again.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:31 PM
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14. Lieberman or Senator Palpatine
Anything they do reminds me of a conspiracy against the republic.


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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:33 PM
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21. Holy shit not Lieberman the sell out dumbshit... hate the fact
he is in on any deal!
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:52 PM
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62. are you hurling yet?
:puke: joementum is joined by others who drank from his cup...
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:33 PM
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22. Good grief, I hoped they maintained the right to fillibuster...
Supreme Court nominees.
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GreenPoet64 Donating Member (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:35 PM
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26. That is my concern too! Perhaps we have not lost all . . .
we shall see.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:35 PM
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27. Holy carp.
They wouldn't give that away, would they???

Tell me they wouldn't!!!
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:36 PM
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30. My understanding is that this was the sticking point.
We can only hope it stuck.
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:33 PM
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23. AAR's Sam Seder is there (Washington) now - Sen. Harkin on next
Edited on Mon May-23-05 06:50 PM by wildflower
Sam's been on the phone w/ Janeane.

www.airamericaradio.com/listen.asp

He's heard about it now and I assume they'll be talking about it more.

He says Senator Tom Harkin will be joining them in the next segment.
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Kevin Spidel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:34 PM
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24. "We've got a deal," Nebraska Democratic Sen. Ben Nelson told reporters.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:35 PM
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25. So what the fuck is the deal.... we're waiting!
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Kevin Spidel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:48 PM
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49. all i got so far is...
"We've got a deal," Nebraska Democratic Sen. Ben Nelson told reporters. Agreement would clear the way for yes or no votes on some of Bush's nominees... Dems pledge not to filibuster any of Bush's future appeals court or Supreme Court nominees except in 'extraordinary circumstances'...
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Kevin Spidel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:36 PM
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29. God help us - McCain and Lieberman lead effort...
Sad... I am a proud dem and feel better that McCain is on on the deal versus Lieberman.

Still on the phone with staffers on the hill... brb.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:41 PM
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34. SHEET! This means we shot ourselves in the foot from the sound of it so
far.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:42 PM
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So true.
Edited on Mon May-23-05 06:43 PM by intheflow
I'd trust McCain over Lieberman any day of the week. Calling Lieberman a moderate Democrat is like calling Godzilla a lizard.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:48 PM
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48. Isn't that sad?
You can't trust one of your own but you can trust an "enemy" over him. I'm with you though. Don't know what it is but he has that sense.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:37 PM
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31. McCain entering...
Edited on Mon May-23-05 06:38 PM by MelissaB
here we go...
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:39 PM
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32. or maybe not.
Crap! Just tell us!
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:39 PM
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33. Oh, get on with it! nt
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:41 PM
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35. Of course, McCain is delivering the word....did he just wake u from a nap?
He's got a little bed head going on there.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:49 PM
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51. Or maybe a bad hairday
I hate those. I used to get them a lot in high school when I'd take a shower late and go to bed and wake up a few hours later. Heh.
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Kevin Spidel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:42 PM
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36. A new Senate Caucus.. maybe a new party?
The Moderate Caucus is having a Press conference...

hmmm how many Americans now want a Moderate Party.

Interesting.

The Judges are approved it appears... more soon.
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Kevin Spidel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:46 PM
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43. Just in... Democrats lose spine
We will not use the Filibuster, if you promise to keep the Filibuster.

We will promise to vote up or down, if you stop threatening Democracy.

We will promise to roll over on this issue if you stop making us look bad.

We will promise to allow the confirmation of the judges if you stop the threats.

makes me proud to be a dem :(

a sad day.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 07:19 PM
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83. I'm Sad with ya!
Sick, actually.

At this point, we live in the UN-United States of Confusion because I no longer have a clue as to what democracy is anymore. Owens/Brown shoe-ins: Bye-bye Social Security, Enron/Halliburton/Delay works.

Only Possiblity: These few Republicans are fearful of too much Frist/B* power.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:42 PM
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37. Under the agreement, Democrats would pledge not to filibuster any of Bush'
Edited on Mon May-23-05 06:47 PM by understandinglife
...future appeals court or Supreme Court nominees except in "extraordinary circumstances."

Centrists Reach Deal to Avert a Showdown Over Judicial Nominees
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: May 23, 2005
WASHINGTON -- Centrists from both parties reached a compromise Monday night to avoid a showdown on President Bush's stalled judicial nominees and the Senate's own filibuster rules, officials from both parties said.

These officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the agreement would clear the way for yes or no votes on some of Bush's nominees, but make no guarantee.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Filibuster-...


ANY DOUBT THAT "AMERICA" CEASED ON DECEMBER 9 2000 HAS NOW BEEN ELIMINATED.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:43 PM
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39. What so we give it up anyway? WTF?
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:44 PM
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42. WTF does that mean? nt
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:48 PM
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50. OMG! What's the damn POINT of having a friggin' filibuster then?
This really pisses me off!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:50 PM
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56. Smokes and mirrors people
This is all for something bigger.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:59 PM
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75. I agree FreedomAngel, unfortunately. Damn. n/t
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:50 PM
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58. ANY DOUBT THAT "AMERICA" CEASED ON DECEMBER 9 2000 HAS NOW BEEN ELIMINATED
We have indeed returned to 1775 and a major skirmish has just been lost.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Peace.

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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #58
66. Liebershit to Chimp:
Of course we'll go along with a dictatorship. :puke:
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:42 PM
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38. McCain on...
Thanking Frist and Reid. Byrd and Warner provided a beacon and were vital to this process.

Agreement: vote for cloture for Brown, Owen, & Pryor.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:43 PM
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41. Fuck it all anyway!
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:47 PM
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46. Bryd says we have kept our republic.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:49 PM
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52. I am confused as hell!! They are still talking on the Senate floor!!!
No filibuster in the future? Does that mean they are filibustering now?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:50 PM
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55. They are "debating" now.
:eyes:
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:53 PM
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65. Why? Why, if there has been this decision of no future filibusters,...
,...except in "egregious circumstances"? Are they taking the position that these are "egregious circumstances"?

OW,...my head hurts!
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:50 PM
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57. They are all lying whores and this is all a sham.
Does that help?
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:47 PM
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47. Here's this from MSNBC...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7957374 /

No Filibustering... except in egregious circumstances. So in other words, the Judicial Nominee must be the spawn of Satin before the Dems can filibuster... such bullshit.
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:49 PM
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53. Who decides what an extreme circumstance is? nt
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:52 PM
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63. No kidding.
One man's extreme circumstance is another man's wonderful, qualified, highly respected judge.
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:54 PM
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67. A lot hinges on who gets to decide, I'd think. nt
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DougieZero Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:50 PM
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59. huh?
so basically 7 of the republicans got 7 of the democrats to vote for the judges?.... and we win how?
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:52 PM
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64. They got 3 of the judges for sure and we got to save the fillibuster
With a promise not to use it except in extreme situations. They didn't get an agreement on the other two judge nominees.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:54 PM
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71. So the 3 radical right wing wackos will be on the SCOTUS
and we can kiss Roe v. Wade good bye and hello to any radical right wing agenda they wish to advance. What kind of deal is THAT?
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:58 PM
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73. It's a FUCKING SELL OUT!
At least three extremist radical judges in exchange to keep the fillibuster with the promise to not to really use it.

They need to give us the DETAILS of their little backroom CENTRIST deal. Oh, big surprise! Lieberman and Landrieu are involved.

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 07:02 PM
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78. This is sickening.
We, at DU, need to take our 70,000 members and start a NEW party! This is BULLSHIT!
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:58 PM
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74. sorry dupe
Edited on Mon May-23-05 06:59 PM by ultraist


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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:50 PM
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60. Uh,...we are facing "egregious circumstances" since we are talking about,.
,...extremist judges being PUSHED back through!!!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:51 PM
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61. Ugh
Dems should just pack it up and leave. I don't like this at all. None of those judges! Say goodbye to your freedoms. It's been nice knowing them.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:54 PM
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68. You forgot
The spawn of Satan with DNA proof. :cry:
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:54 PM
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70. So we've let 90% of their radical wingnuts be confirmed
and now we're going to let the real loonies get confirmed too, as long as their heads aren't doing 360's, they're not spewing split pea soup and levitating?

:wtf:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:57 PM
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72. LOL!
YUP. That's the deal. Wonderful, isn't it?
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 07:33 PM
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85. Spawn of Satan.....lol.....lots of those around.....riding elephants! n/t
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:54 PM
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69. What are these 'extraordinary circumstances'?
Edited on Mon May-23-05 06:57 PM by d_b
Do they actually have to wear the swastika on their sleeve?
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 07:00 PM
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77. Bush threw his temper tantrum and got what he wanted
"I want an up and down vote and if I don't get it, I will DESTROY the fillibuster!!!"

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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 07:13 PM
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81. Read this 'Dumb ass' entry from Kos
Dumb ass
by kos
Mon May 23rd, 2005 at 14:57:00 PDT

President Bush:
Q: <...>And if I may ask you, Mr. President, as you know, the casualties of Iraq is again high today -- 50 more people dying. Do you think that insurgence is getting harder now to defeat militarily? Thank you.
PRESIDENT BUSH: No, I don't think so. I think they're being defeated. And that's why they continue to fight.

So if the insurgents stopped fighting, would that mean we were losing? What the hell kind of answer is this? What the hell kind of logic is this supposed to be?
________________________________________________________

MY VIEW:

His approval ratings are tanking. If we play our cards right, the Dems could get control of the House or Senate in 2006 then we won't have to worry about his nominations...unless we can get him out first. Possibility?
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 07:19 PM
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82. god, i hope so!
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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 07:46 PM
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88. Lott was booted, Frist had to compromise today
because he didn't have enough votes. If we stay focused, this pattern of awful leadership will do them in.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 07:49 PM
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89. CARLA..WHAT DO YOU MEAN LOTT WAS BOOTED??
sorry i missed it and the press conference. what do you mean about lott being booted??
thanks ..
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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 08:10 PM
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90. Sorry...
Trent Lott, as the former Majority Leader, was booted and Frist took over as leader and now it looks as though he can't control his rank and file either.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 11:07 PM
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91. THANKS FOR REPLY..I WASN'T SURE IF YOU MEANT
that ..or that he got booted for something today..thanks for clearing it up..and i guess i was a bit numb and not realizing you meant previously...and yes looks like frist lost his case today as well..thanks..
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 07:05 PM
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79. Not on their sleeve persay...
I think they draw the line at having a swastika on their forehead though... I mean, where are the Homeland Security Brown Shirts supposed to put the the official "Tracking" barcode if not on the forehead??
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:59 PM
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76. Did you catch today's Orwellian inversion: The 'Constitutional option'
mentioned by just about every Republican speaker at the press conference is what Trent Lott dubbed the 'Nuclear Option'! A procedure in which Cheney would his biggest lie yet and "interpret" Senate rules to mean the opposite of what they've meant for more than 200 years is now the "Constitutional option"! And the Rethugs have succeeded in bullying the Dems with this threat, AGAIN.
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 07:05 PM
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80. Quislings. n/t
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 07:31 PM
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84. Just like the cold war
Show massive force and wait for the other side to blink.

We just blinked.

I honestly thought this was the GOP strategy all along - threaten nuclear war to bring the other side to the table. None of those judges would have gotten through if we had filibustered, but now some of these atrocious judges have.

Now, any time they want something, all they have to do is threaten the end of the filibuster and we will happily negotiate.

They win.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 07:39 PM
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87. the Cold War ended without a nuclear holocaust
so did this.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 07:38 PM
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86. I'm in mourning...
I'm deeply saddened by the death of the system of checks and balances that is so important to this country.

Everyone loses with this compromise.

I knew it was coming, but in a way I would have been happier with a complete loss by the Dems because then the Reeptiles would implode and go down sooner. Now it's just a slower, more painful agony.

Sue
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