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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:22 PM
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God in the Government? This is insane!
Apparently the separation of church and state is a joke to some. When churches can BULK ORDER a Christian symbol with "One Nation Under God" and the shrubs name in the center it's scary times indeed!


http://www.bushfish.org/
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:25 PM
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1. Oh, and this is rich!!!
A portion of every purchase goes to Compassion.com, a group dedicated to releasing children from poverty in Jesus name.

Yeah...right!


There's never been an administration less caring of the poor within our nation than the one currently ruling over us now.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 05:40 PM
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38. I do find there use of language to be curious...
I wonder how they "release" children from poverty?
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loudestchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 10:49 AM
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57. You let them die. So they can go to heaven...Praise Jeebus!
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:25 PM
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2. These people need to leave the country
because they are in direct opposition to the Constitution and the rule of law.

I'm serious - these people do not belong in MY country.

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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 02:04 PM
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64. they belong in a sanatorium
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:26 PM
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3. Hmm...where have I seen something like THAT before?


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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:26 PM
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4. The more I look at a literal reading of Revelations
and the things that are going on, the more convinced I become that the prophecies are fulfilling themselves.

And Bush is fulfilling the role of anti-Christ.

These people obviously worship him as a God.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:26 PM
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5. BTW, did you see this pic??? Notice the vehicle?!?!

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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:27 PM
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6. I noticed that.
Time to TAX the church!
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 04:17 PM
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24. It's NOT a jesusfish, it's a BOMB!

Like this one, see?
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 04:22 PM
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28. It's TRUE!
I am beginning to see the connection between these zealots and the destruction of things.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:27 PM
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7. Need more sharpies.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:31 PM
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8. So, finally, they now have bumperstickers declaring * to be God.





But my favorite is the bottom banner:

I suppose the * tax cuts does this very thing.



What I find appalling is that these people say that want Christ BACK in government, somehow indicating that he was ever in our government to begin with. The Founding Fathers expressly dictated that religion does not play a role in government. These people who scream it so loudly from the rooftops have never studies the begining of this country nor the Founding Fathers. They simply believe what those with an agenda tell them.

Sad. Very sad.
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 04:24 PM
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29. We are really two nations
now. Those who believe in the constitution and those who think government and religion are one and the same. We are no longer one nation. Sad really.
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 05:04 PM
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33. Eek
well, at least they are honest that W is a new demi-god, the new golden calf. All hail the high priest of corporate religion.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:33 PM
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9. WTF? "Releasing children from poverty in Jesus' name"? Is that
what we're doing in Iraq?
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:35 PM
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11. That's what they would like to believe.
Edited on Mon May-09-05 03:51 PM by im10ashus
They are doing some "divine" work over there, huh? Did you check out the resources page? Scary stuff. How did religion hijack our government?
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 05:35 PM
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36. Actually
Compassion is a very legit organization. See my post further down. Man oh man, I can't wait to see the reply.

dg
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:17 PM
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47. Ever read "The Giver"
Edited on Mon May-09-05 08:18 PM by MountainLaurel
by Lois Lowry?

Releasing is the term they use for capital punishment and infanticide.

Ironically, it's a favorite target of book banners, due to the main character's disrespect for authority.
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loudestchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 10:50 AM
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58. I was thinking the same thing! Lois Lowrey is amazing.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:34 PM
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10. Oh, goody! I can e-mail a Bushfish to all my friends!
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 04:01 PM
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22. I'm sending one to my mother,
who voted for the moran & then complained recently when the whole Terry Schiavo thing came to a head that "they have no right to shove their religion down my throat!"

Arghhh!!! What the hell did she think was going to happen, voting for someone who has been appealing to these zealots?
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:36 PM
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12. I'm moving to Canada first chance I get
this fucking country is getting scarier every day
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:37 PM
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13. The letters are even worse
Edited on Mon May-09-05 03:38 PM by Wickerman
or, funnier, depending on how jaded this whole debacle of a govt has made you...

http://www.bushfish.org/feedback.html

forgot link. :blush:
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:43 PM
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14. They must have received a few "bad" letters.
Their disclaimer: Rude or offensive letters will not be posted.

Also, what a bunch of hypocrites. You can order a You cant be both Christian and Pro-Abortion bumper sticker. Wheres the You cant be both Christian and Pro-War stickers?
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:50 PM
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I don't know a single person who is pro-abortion.
I know people who want abortions to remain legal, safe and rare.

But they've actually INCREASED under bush.

Tell that to a fundie bushbot and watch their head explode.

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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:50 PM
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17. Dupity dupe dupe.
Edited on Mon May-09-05 03:53 PM by Bouncy Ball
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:53 PM
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19. I agree.
And btw, GOOD WORK on the March, Bouncy Ball. I've been following the thread (well, now 2 threads).

:yourock:
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:54 PM
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20. Thanks!
I'm a bit freaked out, but hopefully we can pull this off (with the help of some other organizations)!.

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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 04:21 PM
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27. I'd say pretty jaded, so definately "funnier"
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 10:22 AM
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56. good luck at Walmart...
:hide: :rofl:
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:43 PM
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15. hail BushJesus!
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:49 PM
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16. I just ate.
:puke:

Blech. Did you read the stuff on the side? "Are you tired of secularists telling you Terri Schiavo had no right to live?"

Um, when did ANYONE say she had no right to live??? Either they have a huge fundamental misunderstanding on that issue or they are being intentionally clueless.
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malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:51 PM
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18. Hey Gods in Gov't worked...look at the Egyptians!!
They seemed to do good, so lets all just worship Bush as the Sun God on earth and start to build the massive monuments to his greatness.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 05:44 PM
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39. I don't think he is Akhenaten reincarnated...
Its possible he's Set though the Temple of Set may take offense at that, but it does seems more logical.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:57 PM
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21. I believe this is basically blasphemous
I was raised RC, and was a devout Catholic for many years; taught CCD; studied theology. I think, if you're a Christian, this is kinda blasphemous...
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 04:12 PM
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23. I would think so.
Not to mention all the Christians out there who DIDN'T vote for the shrub. This is all going to backfire on the Republican's. Mark my words. The far right is starting to invoke their own agenda as that of the whole party and it's kind of fun to watch, schadenfreude if you will, and the whole party becoming fragmented.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 04:38 PM
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30. As a Christian, there is NO WAY I would ever
inject the name of a politician into a religious symbol. Or heck, anyone's name.

It's not right and it's not done. Apparently bush IS Jesus to them.

It's mind-boggling, to say the least. And disgusting.
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boomboom Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:51 PM
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50. Totally blasphemous
Talk about your false idols.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 04:17 PM
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25. See this?
"CHURCH ORDERS
All churches automatically receive a 10% discount on purchases of 50+ magnets. This pricing is provided so that churches and ministries may resell our magnets at fundraising events for causes that they deem worthy. Please contact us directly at info@bushfish.org for information about pricing and to place orders."
<http://www.bushfish.org/orders.html >






Nice. Churches will start handing these oput to their stupid sheeple. Once again. Church, meet State. Now, take it over.



________________________________________________________________


Gotta love a site that open up with this:



Do you believe God belongs in government?
Do you believe President Bush is doing The Lord's Work?


If so, then show your love for God & the USA!

_____________________________________________________

Showing my love for God and the USA was voting for Kerry.





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earthboundmisfit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 04:20 PM
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26. This marks a new low in the taste department!
:puke:
And that's before looking at the REST of the site which brings PROJECTILE:
:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

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L-Studio Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 04:39 PM
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31. This is Dominionist BS
read up:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/7235393...
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/DirectoryRiseOf...
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/UnmaskingTheThe...

###and most importantly:###

Dominionists Try to Get Control
of Ohio Government Posts
By JAMES DAO
COLUMBUS, Ohio - Christian conservative leaders
from scores of Ohio's fastest growing churches are
mounting a campaign to win control of local
government posts and Republican organizations,
starting with the 2006 governor's race.
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/DominionistsTry...

This movement is dangerous, active and powerful. And since the leadership of the government is involved, it's time to to call them out. Name them, and expose them. They stole the election in Ohio in '04 and they will do it again.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 06:08 PM
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40. Hi L-Studio!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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L-Studio Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 06:56 PM
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43. Thanks!
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 04:54 PM
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32. They even tied it to Terri Schiavo
The poor woman, still being used to raise funds after her death.

:argh:
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 05:20 PM
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34. Are you surprised at that? n/t
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 05:32 PM
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35. I sponsor a child through Compassion
I do so because this organization has been consistently found to donate the majority of the donations it receives to the children directly.

So, here's my email feedback to them today:

Dear Compassion, It has come to my attention that a website called "www.bushfish.org " is advertising that proceeds of sales from that site are donated to Compassion. It comes complete with a trademarked direct link to Compassion.com.

What I find extremely offensive about this website is that it offers for sale bumperstickers of the Christian Fish with the name "BUSH" in the center and along the top & bottom "One Nation Under God." As a Christian, I am offended by equating a mere human being as being an equal to God. None of us are equal to God, nor can we ever hope to be. Only through His Grace are we saved so that we can spend eternity with Him in Heaven. I am offended by this because it essentially states that as I am not a Republican, I am therefore not Christian. Where in the Gospels does Jesus ever state "Only Republicans can be Christians?"

For your information, I vote Democratic and support Compassion because I believe the most important of Jesus' teachings were those which involved the caring for the poor & for children. The Republican Party, in my opinion, has left "compassion" by the wayside in its quest for power. How else to explain the ongoing war in Iraq, where so many children are dying from violence & disease?

The teachings of Jesus are also my inspiration to work for Legal Aid, making much less than I would if I were in private practice. I believe it is my mission to use the talents given to me by God to help those who cannot help themselves in the legal system. My sponsorship of (EDITED OUT CHILD'S NAME) is an extension of that mission that carries over into my private life. Is my work & support of (CHILD) now any less important to God and/or to her because I voted for Senator Kerry?

As an American, I am offended because of the blatant impression that only Republicans are true Americans. My ancestors fought in the Revolutionary War. One even showed up to fight the British at Lexington & Concord on April 19, 1775. How dare these people even suggest that I am NOT a "real" American simply because of how I vote!!!

Coming as this does on the heels of that church in North Carolina that excommunicated its Democratic members, I am offended by this apparently endorsed tie-in by your site with this particular group.

I have sponsored 2 children through Compassion because I believe in its mission & I would like to continue to do so. However, if my money & support is not welcome to you because I am a Democrat, please advise me of this.

I ask you to look into this matter and inform me of your conclusions. I do not believe that this particular site is in line with the teachings of Jesus. While the owners of this particular site are free to express their exclusionary ideas, I feel that it does not become Compassion to be affiliated with it in any way, shape, or form.

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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 05:39 PM
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37. KUDOS, WolverineDG!
See how diverse our party is? I've always wondered about this organization, Compassion, but have never donated. Why? I was raised Christian but as a gay man have too many reservations about most faith-based charities. I would never discourage someone else from giving to the charity of their choice, unless of course it is a divisive cause, such as this one. Thanks for your extraordinary letter to Compassion. You put a new perspective on this for me.

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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 06:48 PM
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41. Excellent letter. I will be interested in their response.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 07:00 PM
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44. I await their response. Please let us know the outcome!
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Rude Horner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:23 PM
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48. I wish I could ...
compose letters like this. I sent Bushfish.org a couple letters myself, but nowhere near as articulate and inspiring as this. Hats off to ya, WolverineDG. You nailed it on the head. Everyday I come to DU, I'm awed by the tons of intelligent, thoughtful people here. I love reading all your posts - agree with you wholeheartedly, and only wish I could convey my thoughts as well as a good many of you do.

The community here helps me stay sane and hopeful. Knowing that there are still people out there who understand what democracy and tolerance really means.

I didn't mean to go off on a rant, off topic. It's just that I so rarely post but so frequently read. Thanks everyone, for being who you are. :)
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:47 PM
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49. I'm not going to waste my breath on Bushfish
but I do pay Compassion $32/month (just went up from $28) for the one child I sponsor now so I decided to fire off a letter to them. They are always looking for sponsors, so I know hitting them in the pocketbook will make them sit up & take notice.

dg
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:29 PM
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51. That's where you hit them!
In the wallet, if necessary. You are right in that they are looking for sponsors, and just like Microsoft with their backpedaling on the gay rights issue, if Compassion finds how many people support them that DON'T support the integration of religion in our politics, they may take a stance. Let's see what happens. Thanks for the post.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 06:50 PM
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42. Jesus isn't going to like these people stealing his symbol. n/t
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 07:01 PM
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45. We need a symbol of our fearless leader milking a horse
Edited on Mon May-09-05 07:07 PM by undeterred
:evilfrown: or whatever
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 07:54 PM
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46. Here's my take on it
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 09:32 AM
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52. Here is another DU thread
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 10:20 AM
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55. Good one! Either that or a diagonal line across it! nt
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The White Tree Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 09:57 AM
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53. Truly Outstanding
They have a letters sections where people can send in photos displaying their magnet. One guy has one on his hummer - so typical.

I was considering sending them the following message. I can't do it at work though and am not sure I want this guy to have my e-mail address so I am conflicted.

Here's the message.

Your Bushfish effort is truly outstanding and should be complemented. Not only is it a great design that denigrates both a worldwide faith and our own American flag but it is an exceptional effort at taking Jesus words - Give to Caesar what is Caesar's and give to God what is Gods and - and marrying them to - Give to Caesar what is Caesar's because Caesar is now God.

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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 10:13 AM
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54. when they start wearing that as an arm band. i hope we get a snapy salute
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 10:54 AM
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59. Left them a little message.
Didn't give my real email, just a@b.com - works many times. Told them Bush was more like the antichrist and they had been fooled.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 11:02 AM
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60. Funny. n/t
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 01:59 PM
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62. I thought it was a parody at first, this can't be real
can it? :wow:
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 02:53 PM
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65. I'm afraid so.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 02:01 PM
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63. Insane fundies are EVERYWHERE now... like a plague of cockroaches.
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