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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:44 PM
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The Millstone (for your Republican friends and family members)
Edited on Sun May-08-05 11:46 PM by WilliamPitt
I have trouble imagining what it must be like to be a Republican these days. The party of Lincoln and TR, the party of fiscal responsibility and small government, has become so profoundly separated from its roots that it is barely recognizable anymore. Millions of people who proudly call themselves Republican must, I think, be dealing with a quiet yet insistent voice within. Something, whispers that voice, has gone wrong.

After September 11, everything changed. This is what a lot of Republicans tell themselves these days. It soothes the disquiet, and offers a rationalization for the gigantism that government has undergone under this so-called Republican administration. Of course we must make the government huge and intrusive, specifically in military and intelligence departments, because terrorists could smuggle biological or nuclear weapons into our country and kill tens of thousands of people.

September 11 justifies a lot of things previously considered abominable. That is what a lot of Republicans tell themselves these days. No Republican in their right mind would have supported something like the Patriot Act before the attacks. Indeed, a variety of anti-terrorism actions offered by the Clinton administration were shot to pieces by the Republicans in Congress because they were considered too invasive. Then, of course, everything changed.

Even the definition of ‘invasive’ has been altered. Now, it isn’t invasive to sweep Iraqi civilians off the streets, subject them to torture, rape and murder, and blame some hapless dupe of an enlisted woman because she was dumb enough to be in the pictures. Surely she thought up the whole thing on her own, brought the hoods all the way from home, and even designed degradations specifically intended to offend Islam. That makes sense. It doesn’t matter, anyway. Extremism in the defense of virtue is no vice, a Republican once said. Anything is permissible in the defense of the homeland.

Yet something funny happened on the way down that road. This so-called Republican administration spent a year filling our heads with nightmares. Get your plastic sheeting and duct tape ready. On January 20, 2003, George W. Bush stood before the American people and spoke ominously of mushroom clouds. He laid it out flat: 26,000 liters of anthrax, 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin, 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX gas, 30,000 munitions to deliver the stuff, mobile biological weapons labs and uranium from Niger for a robust nuclear weapons program are gathered out there, just waiting to kill you and everyone you love.

To arms! To arms! We have to get that stuff out of…Iraq? The battle for Afghanistan was not over, and is not over even today, and yet money, men and materiel was diverted from that front to Iraq. We went in expecting hearts and flowers, and managed to put on a nice little statue-toppling show, before the explosions started and the body bags came out. One a day, two a day, maybe more when our helicopters got blasted from the sky – remember the outrage over ‘Blackhawk Down’? – and the slow bleeding commenced. Soldiers, and then reservists, and then retired reservists forced back into the ranks, began traveling a long circle from home to Iraq, back home and then to Iraq, back home and then to Iraq again.

The weapons weren’t there. Sure, they found a rusted centrifuge that dated back to the first Bush administration buried under a rosebush, and some empty artillery shells turned up here and there. A bunker full of high explosives was found, but because this so-called Republican administration wanted to go ‘small’ into Iraq, there weren’t enough men to guard it. The explosives got stolen, and are being used right now to kill American soldiers. Seven more died this weekend, bringing the total to 1,602.

The weapons of mass destruction were sneaked into Syria, say the talking heads on radio and TV who live to do nothing besides defend this so-called Republican administration. We’re fighting Iraqis over there so we don’t have to fight Iraqis over here. It makes sense in a perversely American way; politics here has become more akin to football than to policy, and the point is to win arguments through volume rather than get the facts straight. It’s a tribal thing now, and if you are a Republican you have to back your team. After all, you’re winning…right?

The weapons of mass destruction are not in Syria. They just weren’t anywhere. This so-called Republican administration knew that wanting to invade a country does not make that invasion legal; not even September 11 could change that basic law. They knew they needed a self-defense rationale to pull it off, and further knew they needed political cover.

The recently exposed secret British intelligence memo tells the story: Intelligence and facts were fixed around the policy of invasion and occupation. That’s what the memo said, right there in black and white. In other words, the threat of WMD was set upon as the justification for self-defense, despite the fact – clearly stated in the memo – that Iraq was neither a threat to its neighbors nor to the United States.. The daily drumbeat of fear fed to the American people provided the political cover, and we were off to the races.

I wonder how hard it is for Republicans to still that little voice within when they are confronted with stories like this: The American military in Iraq has begun a massive military campaign against several small villages along the Euphrates River in Iraq. These villages, say military personnel, are suspected of harboring Syrian fighters crossing the border. A thousand U.S. troops, backed by helicopter and fighter support, are laying siege to these small villages. The incursion has become one large firefight.

But here’s the interesting bit. When the troops first approached the villages, they did so by night. They were told to use the headlights on their trucks to spot mines, and those headlights apparently alerted one of the villages. All of a sudden, every light in the village was switched off at the same time. Apparently, this is how one village warns another village of an impending attack.

Now, unless you are able to convince yourself that there is a border-crossing Syrian fighter manning each and every light switch in that town, the conclusion is unavoidable. We are not fighting a few ‘insurgents’ here and there, nor are we facing foreign fighters. We are fighting the entire country, all of Iraq, one small chunk at a time. As defenders of democracy and freedom, we are probably going to wind up destroying these villages in order to save them. Where have I heard that before?

To be a Republican these days, you have to be in favor of all this. You have to support massive centralized government, nation-building, torture, rape, murder, the plundering of tax dollars by defense and oil companies, a pestilent friendship with Saudi Arabia despite the fact that a good deal of global terrorism comes straight out of that country, and the eternal occupation of a nation that does not want us there and does not believe that we are bringing anything like freedom to their doorstep. They just don’t buy it. Convicted embezzler Ahmad Chalabi was just made the head of the Iraqi Oil Ministry. Would you trust a government that made decisions like this?

If I were a Republican, I’d have a hard time ignoring that little voice. I’d be up nights wondering if men like Tom DeLay and the religious extremists he empowers as a means of political self-defense are the proper banner-carriers for my party. I’d wonder how we are making our nation safer by manufacturing terrorists in Iraq while ignoring the ones in Saudi Arabia. I’d wonder where Osama bin Laden is right now. I’d wonder how a President can talk about supporting the troops while eviscerating veteran’s benefits across the board. I’d wonder how a President can talk about supporting the troops while sending them into an unwinnable fight without the armor they need to survive it.

If I were a Republican, I’d be thinking about getting this millstone off my neck. I wouldn’t become a Democrat, because that’s just too crazy. I might seriously consider withdrawing my support from this so-called Republican administration, because with every word and deed they betray the principles I would hold dear as a member of the Grand Old Party. I’d seriously consider cleaning house, and restoring my party to something worthy of respect and loyalty.

If I didn’t do these things as a Republican, then everything done in my name and by my party would be my responsibility. If I were a Republican, I don’t think I could stand that burden.
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Momgonepostal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:56 PM
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1. The reason you're NOT a republican is that...
Edited on Sun May-08-05 11:56 PM by Momgonepostal
you think too much.

I'm sure there are a few repubs who have thought all those things out, but the average Bush voter probably did not. Most of the Bush voters I know voted because of "family values" or "freedom" or some other right wing buzz word, but don't really THINK.

Edited to add: Great piece, by the way. :-)
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:58 PM
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2. Not true
I'm not going to lay out the three thousand different anecdotal bits of evidence to debunk your premise - from my Republican grandfather who was the smartest man I've ever known, to the Republican couple in Arisona who heard one of my talks and thanked me afterwards, to the hardcore GOP state house member who agreed 100% with me when we talked about Iraq - but I dismiss out of hand the idea that every Bush voter is a de facto moron.

There are just as many Democrats who vote 'D' out of habit, family upbringing or without a thought in their heads as there are Republicans. Trust me; I live in Massachusetts, and see them every day.
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Momgonepostal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:09 AM
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6. I don't think EVERY Bush voter is a moron
but do think that anyone who would stop to analyze the war, even just the war, to the degree that you just did, couldn't possibly come to the conclusion that Bush has America's best interests at heart.

My father was one of the smartest people I've ever known and a republican war vet, but I can't imagine him voting for Bush, a service, evading big spender.
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Kipepeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:10 AM
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9. Agreed on this
I don't think intelligence can explain it.

My dad too is an old-school Republican war vet...not like the phony Neo-Con Republican chicken-hawks in power today. And he's damn smart. So...while I can dismiss a lot of the sheeple as just that: pea-shaped-sheep-brain-having-morons I can't explain all of them that way simply because of my dad. He taught me to love books and knowledge yet he votes for an impostor like Bush???

When I or someone else lays out everything else like the OP did, he agrees with the Dem. position on every point. Because to do otherwise is truly NOT Conservative.

But, although he has told me he hates Bush and laments the down-spiral of his party (mostly on the economy and the environment; as a true old school conservative would) he votes for him because he 'doesn't think the Democrats can protect us.'

That's what he says. In fact, most of what he says against Dems come from 2 things: 1) he thinks about politics as sports (ie. you root for your team even when they stink almighty foul) and 2) the only media he has easy access to is right-wing mainstream hate media so he gets an earful from Rush, Hannity, and O'Reilly everyday, but nothing from liberal or even nonpartisan news reports.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:02 PM
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18. Thinking about politics as sports.
Exactly. And when you are loyal to a team, you can say the foulest things about the fans of other teams and get away with it. I don't think ALL Republicans are stupid, but nobody can deny that most of them are drunk with power, and that can make you temporarily stupid.
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yvr girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:28 AM
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8. We don't owe our vote to any party. We owe it to our countries.
Each time, the person we vote for should earn it. They should earn it through ideas, common values, integrity and the ability to follow through with their promises.

We do get the government we deserve. Every time we fail to hold a politician accountable for their actions, democracy is eroded.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:55 PM
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17. Of the Bush** voters I talk to on a regular basis
One has a Master's in Biology and the other, a BS in Geology. Both have done science at a state govt level.

Yet they can somehow convince themselves that he is doing a good job on the environment, because the old science was bad. They are believers in abiotic oil. They are anti-drug libertarians.

Smart people self decieve very well, because they are smart.
Unfortunately, that means they also drive into that wall at 100mph, because they are so good at telling themselves that it is a canvas scrim.

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spindoctor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:03 AM
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3. Nobody takes responsibility anymore..
The Republicans are simply following their leaders.

From a pure rational perspective they should now admit that "they" were wrong and "we" were right. The guilty should be tried and we need to move on following our guiding principles in our quests for a better world.

But if our leaders refuse to take responsibility, why would their followers make the first move?
Mrs. Rize messed up as a security advisor and gets consequently promoted.
Mr. Rumsfeld messed up as Defense Secretary and consequently manages to get his nemesis from the State Department fired.
Mr. Bolton, failed to deliver prove about an imminent threat from Cuba and gets consequently recommended to present the US in the United Nations.

It's good to be a Republican. You don't HAVE to admit to anything. You don't HAVE to take responsibility for your faillures.
If the outcome of your actions is not what you expected, you simply change your motivation.

Hey! I MEANT to do that!

:eyes:
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:06 AM
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4. These figures
"He laid it out flat: 26,000 liters of anthrax, 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin, 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX gas, 30,000 munitions to deliver the stuff, mobile biological weapons labs and uranium from Niger for a robust nuclear weapons program are gathered out there, just waiting to kill you and everyone you love." I hear them in my sleep. I can't imagine that there are not a lot of Republicans out there wondering how to rid themselves of this administration but then again, I am often proved wrong.

Nice work again, Will.
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:08 AM
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5. All Americans should remove that millstone.
That includes the less thoughtful D's and R's. The passive or hypocritical thoughtful on both sides should be shamed for allowing it to come to this.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:11 AM
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7. If I were a Republican....
I would be looking to take back my Party. Because I would know, this cannot continue. This is bad for America and bad for the Republican Party. The entire Party is standing on thin ice and the warm spring winds are melting away another layer each day.

If I were a Republican, I would think that there has to be a better way. Do we really have to change Social Security to Private Accounts? Republicans get Social Security also. Do we really have to get involved in the personal decisions of families, as the Republicans did in the Schiavo case? Can we really continue to run ever larger deficits and continue to give every wealthy person another taxbreak? Are we really succeeding in Iraq? If I were a Republican, I would have a lot of questions for this Adminsitration.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:44 AM
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10. Just spent the weekend with the parents
Little Brother is a Faux-news spouting "republican." I don't think he thinks about much but making as much money as possible by doing the least work; and he has done post-grad classes. If he gets uppity, I will suggest a visit to a recuiter. Step-Father is from well-off foreign family; he doesn't get it that he and his family could be among the first rounded up if there were internment camps. Mom just thinks we have to wait for the pendulam to swing back some.

I spent the whole weekend trying not to throw something at their TV which was tuned to Faux. I have given up on them. Mindless "Germans," marching off to disaster.:(
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:53 AM
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11. Republicanism Is A Dead Ideology Fueled By Sycopanthy
Winning is all that matters to them, whether it's inserting their own radical/retrograde legislation to support whatever constituency in order to corner their support or coopting liberal ideals in order to appease the moderates. Sure it makes for fertile breeding ground for opportunistic hypocrisy, but it can all be excused for the good of The Party.

This type of Afrikaaner Socialism we see nowadays used to go by another name. I think Mussolini called it "corporatism".
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:13 AM
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12. I think this piece could appeal to whats left of the real republican party
I appreciate you're coming up with it.
It at least makes an attempt to reach out to the other side
in a manner to get them to possibly consider opening their eyes
and unclenching their fists a bit (as well as their a-holes)...
excuse my vulgarity.
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 06:15 AM
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13. Kick for the morning crew!!
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:00 AM
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14. There are some Republicans worthy of dialog.
Many Republicans do not realize (yet) what has invaded the chicken house.

My Republican relatives are not among those I consider to have much value.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:10 AM
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15. "I didn't leave the Republican party....
....the Republican party left me."

How long before we start hearing that quote?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:59 PM
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16. LINK TO FINAL
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nomatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:42 PM
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19. Will, have you ever written
about the petrodollar and the collapse of the world's economy?

I believe that is the source.

Why the elected Dem's do nothing.
There isn't a solution, yet.

Google up "petrodollars" and "Saddam". Here is one.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8354.htm

Here is the ugly truth.
Is America ready to pull the plug on our economy?

Democrat or Republican the answer is no.
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nomatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:42 PM
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20. Will, have you ever written
about the petrodollar and the collapse of the world's economy?

I believe that is the source.

Why the elected Dem's do nothing.
There isn't a solution, yet.

Google up "petrodollars" and "Saddam". Here is one.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8354.htm

Here is the ugly truth.
Is America ready to pull the plug on our economy?

Democrat or Republican the answer is no.
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HEIL PRESIDENT GOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 05:19 PM
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21. You should read this on the radio
It's unusual in that it sounds good, as well as having good thought.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 05:49 PM
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22. Kick back up to page 1
Sid
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 05:50 PM
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23. My brother, the RW attorney
and, a man who practices EVERYTHING he believes in (why he is the only repuke who gets my respect) explains thusly: All during the Watergate scandal, the Vietnam war upheavals, the Carter and Clinton years, he was SO outraged by everything libs did...he suffered in silence altho he felt his head would absolutely explode when Clinton was elected, and all during Clinton's 8 years. He felt the country was not his anymore, that it was headed down a road that the Founding Fathers did not intend, and felt frustrated and helpless. Altho not crazy about GWB, he vows NEVER to do ANYTHING whatsoever that would turn the country over to the libs again...and if that means supporting a militaristic, corporate-owned theocracy, that's just too bad.

He never wants to feel POWERLESS and HELPLESS again.

I can't believe he had the same feelings then, that I do now....who knew?

It's all about identifying with power, not thinking clearly.
Everything is psychological.

IMHO
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 05:56 PM
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24. What outraged him? Human rights, civil rights, equality, justice?
Was he a corporacrat, an imperialist,...without ethics, in spite of the "rule of law",...or what? He sounds like an imperialist, corporate ideologue who believes human right, equal rights, civil rights and anything associated with advancing humanity are all bad.

Scary.
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 06:13 PM
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25. He said it was the "condescension"
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 06:31 PM
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26. PS....he can go on for hours about the evils of liberalism
giving example after example of how liberalism has ruined this country. But, my astonishment came at his FEELINGS of being helpless, hopeless, frustrated, powerless. He felt the VERY SAME feelings that we are feeling today. (He actually said he felt physically sick when Clinton came on TV...does that sound familiar?) He is a very smart person, and can intellectually understand what bushco is doing to this country, but he is voting and advocating with his desire NOT to ever feel so powerless again.

The average GOPer isn't going to give up their identification with their god, power, when push comes to shove. They don't ever again want to feel like we feel now.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 07:16 PM
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27. But,...he's a lawyer,...why would he "feel" condescension?
Edited on Mon May-09-05 07:17 PM by Just Me
Moreover, as frustrated and disappointed and angry as I feel about profiteers who don't give an damn about the condition of their fellow human being,...what is happening ISN'T JUST ABOUT ME AND MY FEELINGS,...which is WHY I react viscerally to Bush and the neoCONs who have no conscience, no empathy about hurting literally tens of millions, even more, of human beings (skin, flesh, blood, bone, hopes, thoughts, struggles just like them) in order to embolden themselves. They have no sense of humanity or humility or honor,...at all.

Where I have maintained a sense of my own humanity and have compassion for the innocently oppressed and KNOW my duty to contribute towards my neighbor's well-being rather than betray and screw my neighbor,...the neoCONs and corporacrats are EMPTY of conscience,...have chosen to be entirely driven by self-service. That is evil.

Your brother,...does he believe everything he does is just about him and his feelings? If so, no wonder he is stuck in his emotional pit. He has NO LIFE because,...being the remarkable human beings that we are,...if we fail to make this existence better for everyone and everything,...we are nothing,...nothing but a spot or disease or, worse, the cause of destruction.

I hope your brother finds his way back to his own humanity. I do
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 07:34 PM
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28. He is a very interesting man, because unlike other repukes,
and probably most dems as well,he practices what he believes...as an attorney, he donates his time to indigents, without being assigned. He volunteers his time, and also has his children/wife donate their time, to "old-folks" homes, and handicapped agencies. He fosters a meth-addicted baby. He is a deacon, lay-preacher (Methodist), and tithes. These are just the things he does publicly. He does many other things privately that just blew my mind, when I found out about them. But, he remains an extremely right-wing conservative about every major issue.

Condescension because he considers himself a Southern bubba whose opinion and beliefs have never been valued by those in power, ie, liberals.

Like I said, he won't feel powerless again, politically. And, that is the posture of many of the people around here in the South. I understand your intellectual arguments above, and feel the same...but we are talking about knowing things intellectually, and they are not interested in anything but their feelings. And, when you say things like, "he needs to get a life, or they need to get lives," they consider that they have lives, that they like their lives just fine, thank you.
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 01:12 PM
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29. So All He Wants Is Power, No Matter What Form It Takes
Yep, sounds like a modern day conservative to me.
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