Willful IGNORANCE of History.....A RANT!

[jus_the_facts]

....if you'd read this compilation of the deeper behind the scenes history of our country and the people who's $$$$$$ and power have kept the people BLINDED for centuries of what HAS and IS going on in the world...THEN AND NOW....just read the context of this website and never again have to ask yourself or anyone else....WHY?? THE FACTS ARE HERE....if you'll wrap your brain around it...it's all so very simple to be enlightened if you'll take the time to educate yourself by reading this chronology of historic information!!! :think:

http://www.winterboy.com/dejavuintro.html

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DejaVu is dedicated to the memory of Senators Paul Wellstone (D-MN), 1944-2002, and Robert F. Kennedy (D-NY), 1925-1968, who embodied American ideals and were ultimately consumed by the forces they fought hard to constrain; and to the 'Four Jersey Moms' who paid the ultimate sacrifice on 9/11 and never wavered in their search for truth- even when the Bush Gang refused them and the rest of us would have been content to ignore them.
I'd also like to express my deepest gratitude to the journalists and assorted muckrakers who did most of the hard work before I even knew there was a problem, and especially to BuzzFlash.com, who both inspired DejaVu and made it possible.

[stillcool]

1. Thank-you! This must be the most....

complete chronological record of history i have seen. i think most if not all of my answers will be found inside it.

[jus_the_facts]

2. You're most welcome.....

...thank you for your response...it is my hope that others will take the time to read the site....it's a wellspring of inside infomation that's left out of everything I learned about the past...knowledge is power...fear is the mind killer...the only way to change our path is to eleminate once and for all the greed behind the scenes of the illusions of our history the powers that be have created and brainwashed the masses with. :hi:

[FreedomAngel82]

31. Yep this has been spread around lately here

It's really amazing isn't it?

[acmejack]

3. Outstanding!

Comprehensive, needs to be required reading. Thanks for all your work in compiling this JTF.

[jus_the_facts]

4. I had nothing at all to do with this...except posting the link to it.....

....all I accomplished was getting you and one other person to even look at it....thanks for taking the time to look at it and letting me know you appreciated being informed...keep passing it forward...s'the only thing I can take credit for. :hi:

[imenja]

9. I thought the website was yours

and my comments below were written accordingly. I'd suggest anyone wanting to understand equality in the US and Western society more generally read Karl Marx or some US history texts such as Norton, et al. _A People and a Nation_. It is important to consider history as something other than the product of legislation and treatises written by the privileged few, which is the view of history reflected in the website you have linked to.

[jus_the_facts]

16. US history texts don't even come close to exposing the truth...

....*behind the scenes* of how society is manipulated by an organized agenda of a FEW...this compilation in it's context puts our history in a whole different and vitially important light...granted we're fighting against the same kind of tyranny and greed that's been in place since the dawn of civilization regardless of what you choose to believe about past or modern history...the HAVES rule and the Have-nots continue to be used by them...and most importantly...you have a right to your opinion...but not your own facts...of which too many are left out intentionally to protect the guilty and blindside the ignorant.

[FreedomAngel82]

32. So true

You also don't read in the history books that Prescott Bush funded the Nazi's that helped Hitler stay in power and now Bush is following in Hitler's footsteps.

[omega minimo]

5. DejaVu: You Should Have Seen It Coming

Valuable site :kick:

"Why should we hear about body bags and deaths and how many injured...It's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?" Barbara Bush on 'Good Morning America'

"...a terrorist, massive, casualty-producing event somewhere in the Western world– maybe in the United States of America– that causes our population to question our own Constitution and begin to militarize our country in order to avoid a repeat of another mass, casualty-producing event...the US Constitution could be scrapped in favor of a military form of government." General Tommy Franks, George W’s former CentCom Chief.

Fascism (n): A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a single ruler, most often in league with corporate interests; stringent socio-economic manipulation; suppression of opposition through censorship and terror; and policies of belligerent nationalism and racism.
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26. DejaVu: You Should Have Seen It Coming

For nearly a decade, America's attention was diverted (by Whitewater, Monica lewinsky, and other media sleight-of-hand) from the Bush Gang's carefully laid plan to retake the White House. That it took the BG eight years, and hundreds of millions of dollars, to win back the American Presidency is a testament to the fact that even the dumbest Americans aren't necessarily eager to line up for liars and bullies.
In the end, however, the propadandistic singleness of the right-wing message infected all mainstream media, dominated political discourse, and insured that Americans would indeed return the Bush Gang to the White House. Liberal Ostriches (see: PunkySez), could have, and should have, investigated for themselves the sources and merits of the continuous assaults on the Clinton Presidency, as well as the press's complicity in perverting public perception of liberals, Democrats, etc (while repeatedly glorifying the members and ideologies of the Bush Gang). Even after Election 2000, Liberal Ostriches could have closely examined the press's role in hiding the true character of each candidate, as well as the extent of irregularities in the voting process; or questioned the leadership of the Democratic Party about strategies and vision; .they could have investigated the new emphasis on electronic voting, and W's HAVA legislation; they could have examined Liberal ostriches could have done a lot of things to stop; intoxicated by the new consumerism, ignored alarmists at their peril and even abetted the right in their mendacity. Meanwhile, corrupt conservatives of all stripes and policial positions were only too happy to get in on the game.

The Center for Cooperative Research has done an excellent job of timelining various aspects of this Bush Gang invasion and coopting of Washington. I've reporduced one such chronolgy below; to view this page with fully operative source links and expanded data, go to
Inquiry into the decision to invade Iraq
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Complete timeline of the 2003 Invasion of Iraq: Pre-9/11 plans for war
 
  
Project: Inquiry into the decision to invade Iraq
Open-Content project managed by Derek Mitchell



March 8, 1992

       The Defense Planning Guidance document, a “blueprint for the department's spending priorities in the aftermath of the first Gulf War and the collapse of the Soviet Union,” is leaked to the New York Times. The paper causes controversy, because it hadn't yet been “scrubbed” to replace candid language with euphemisms. The document argues that the US dominates the world as sole superpower, and to maintain that role it “must maintain the mechanisms for deterring potential competitors from even aspiring to a larger regional or global role.” ] As the Observer summarizes it, “America's friends are potential enemies. They must be in a state of dependence and seek solutions to their problems in Washington.” The document is mainly written by Paul Wolfowitz and Lewis Libby, who hold relatively low posts at the time, but under Bush Jr. become Deputy Defense Secretary and Vice President Cheney's Chief of Staff, respectively. The document conspicuously avoids mention of collective security arrangements through the United Nations, instead suggesting the US “should expect future coalitions to be ad hoc assemblies, often not lasting beyond the crisis being confronted.” It also calls for “punishing” or “threatening punishment” against regional aggressors before they act. Interests to be defended pre-emptively include “access to vital raw materials, primarily Persian Gulf oil, proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles, threats to US citizens from terrorism.” Senator Lincoln Chafee (R), later says, “It is my opinion that plan for preemptive strikes was formed back at the end of the first Bush administration with that 1992 report.” In response to the controversy, in May 1992 the US releases an updated version of the document that stresses the US will work with the United Nations and its allies (see also January 1993).
People and organizations involved: Paul Wolfowitz, Lincoln Chafee, Lewis Libby, Dick Cheney, George W. Bush

:kick:

[jus_the_facts]

10. Indeed....the present is the past...same players...plans and pawns....

.....no matter what you think you know about what you were taught about history...this behind the scenes look in the context it provides...puts EVERYTHING into the perspective of why we're experiencing what we are today....the only way to make the changes necessary to overcome these diabolical mad men is to ELEMINATE them once and for all...as they've done to the men who've tried to end their reigns of perpetual war of classism, racism, greed and tyranny. :hi:

[omega minimo]

25. and women

"In direct and sometimes violent opposition to this ideal America is the nightmare of another one, shadowy and hostile. This America, eager to malign and quick to war, fears all things different from itself. It neither offers nor sacrifices anything of its own; rather, it lives to exploit. This predatory America regards greedy self-centeredness as a virtue to be rewarded. Its moral compass swings only toward expediency. This America values deceit, uses hateful rhetoric to divide and control, and generates chaos to achieve its domestic and international goals. It cloaks itself in secrecy to hide its crimes.

This America promotes religious and political fundamentalism for others while predicating an ends-justifies-the-means rationalization for itself. It isn't afraid of appearing bumbling or incompetent, as such displays further mask its calculating mendacity. Rather than urging us to express our highest natures, this America- steeped in sexism and bigotry- panders to the basest, the most primal and fearful in all of us."

[jus_the_facts]

26. Definitely.....

...without question. :hi:

[FreedomAngel82]

33. Something I have thought of

is if the Bush gang put Lewinsky in the White House as plant. It was all too weird. The phoned conversation and everything. Where did Lewinsky come from? Anybody ever do a background check on her?

[omega minimo]

35. How bout the fact that

the initial tapes were recorded illegally? What was the Repug connection with the woman who exposed ML?

IMHO making a mockery of the presidency smoothed the way for the current Whiffleball-in-Chief.

[IChing]

6. Holy Crap

Valuable site, I bookmarked it, good find and thanks for the heads up

[jus_the_facts]

11. You're welcome...pass it forward if you will...to everyone you know....

....maybe if enough are enlightened to the dark underbelly of the TRUTH about these people and their decendents..their ruthless agendas throughout the last century AT LEAST...with awareness of FACTS not just opinion...they can be taken OUT once and for all...won't be easy or peaceful..but their demise MUST be as ruthless as the power and control they've had over the world...the list of criminals and the treason they've perpetrated MUST END...this chronology shows who they are...exactly the means they've used time and time again to make their tactics and illusions work for them...the true history behind the scenes is horrific and seems insurmountable in the face of knowing it...but knowing is in and of itself...a relief to my mind..if nothing else. :hi:

[gordianot]

7. Brilliant

I am blinded, caught several items I have not seen before. We are actors in a play, the act is uncertain.

[jus_the_facts]

12. You're not blinded anymore...knowledge is power..fear is the mind killer..

.....if the facts from this one website were more widely known...who knows what could have been changed in the past...and present...and the future wouldn't seem so depressing in light of this invaluable knowledge...if only we were made more AWARE of the diabolical greed that consumes us all...the whitewash of this information from history is what's brought us all into the present of which is controlled by a madness of surreal perportions...that's been for over a hundred years and counting...an enigma as to how to do something to end this tremendous treason and tyranny is at hand now.
:hi:

[gordianot]

17. I appreciate the quote from Frank Herbert. "Fear is the mind killer"

I have researched some of the analogies with another blatant attempt at co opt the Republic "Aaron Burr". Tactics have become more subtle over the years. We are in another spike where similar forces "if not the same gang" has seized the reigns. They failed in the 30's "Smedley Butler turned on them" at such blatant tactics but appear to have taken the Republic down finally in 2000.

I wrote a paper in College 30 years ago on the failed 1930's Coup, it too is a Rosetta stone for today. It may take another turncoat in their midst (like Butler) to stop this. Even Eisenhower hinted at what the problem was in his famous "Military Industrial Complex" comments. He could have elaborated but lost his nerve. I had hopes for Powell, I am sure he knows what will happen to his family if he does. The modern dilemma is not everyone wants to play the same game. Military men seem to be a major weakness in these plans. Same too with some Civil Servants in the FBI. At some point China, Oil Cartels, Russia, Europe, will get tired of the foot on their throat and be willing to give up their financial security.

I don't have a lot of hope but it is important to know the truth.

[jus_the_facts]

20. I don't have a lot of hope either...bound by cynicism instead.....

...but knowing helps give some peace to my mind...ignorance hasn't ever been blissful...the infinite paradoxes of curiosity...sigh. :hi:

[imenja]

8. Social history

Your website is ambitious. It outlines some important historical events. I'd like to offer a few suggestions, that you may either consider or ignore, as you see fit.

I'd encourage you to consider a more comprehensive view of history. I understand that you seek to create a piece that challenges domination by the privileged few, but you reflect a view of history that is the product of that race, class, and gender domination. Slaves appear only as objects of a few legislative documents. (The Thirteenth Amendment would seem at least as important of an inclusion as the Emancipation Proclamation, since it was the former that that actually abolished slavery.) You overlook the evolution and racialization of the institution of slavery in the seventeenth-century. Nineteenth-century abolitionists, the women's movement, and Jacksonian era urban reformers get no mention. Seneca Falls and the Nineteenth Amendment are similarly overlooked. Your use of the term "ex-slaves" to refer to African-Americans of the Great Migration will certainly be offensive to many, in addition to the fact it is simply historically inaccurate (in 1919, any African American who had been a slave, a newborn when slavery was abolished, would have been at least 54). Most of those who migrated northward were obviously far younger. I also was able to find no discussion of Native Americans, not even the Trail of Tears.

I'd suggest you consider thinking about history in terms of something other than "facts." Events occur within a social and economic context, and their meaning is tied to that context. Remember that history is not made only by the privileged few. Slaves, free wage workers, women, the poor--all of us--make history and an effort to tell history in reasonably inclusive terms should recognize their actions. You might look at some US history textbooks (Norton, et al., _A People and a Nation_ is a good social history. There are many others. Many on DU read Howard Zinn).

Alternately, you might refashion your website as an effort to expose the actions of the Bush family rather than a comprehensive discussion of inequality, a daunting undertaking for anyone, even professional historians. Your title suggests the study is about the Bush family in particular, but the content of the outline your present is quite different.

Re: you 1818 entry for Liverpool shipping interests tied to the Bush family. You might find interesting Eric Williams's study, _Capitalism and Slavery_. He discusses the importance of slavery to the development of shipping and merchant capital in Liverpool, Bristol and other English port cities. The history of the United States, and of privileged families like the Bush's, is tied to the development of capitalism. Williams is one of many historians who explores this.

[jus_the_facts]

14. "....thinking about history in terms of something other than "facts."

....it's precisely these *FACTS* that're left out of history that's so important about this chronology and the importance of which has given the same players the power and contol of THE PEOPLE for too long...it's not MY website BTW...believe what you want...from the last interaction we had on the thread I started about JFK comes back to my mind in hindsight...society is completely controlled by a select few...saddens me that is so difficult for some to understand or accept...even more intellectual persons can't seem to grasp the significance of the bigger picture.

[imenja]

27. The "facts"

Those facts mentioned on that website are not left out of history. They are evident in any US history textbook (save the information about the Bush family that the author has mixed into his outline of historical events). Just because you have not learned them prior to reading that website does not mean there is anything unusual about them. That website provides an outline of some events that particular author finds interesting, but it is far from innovative. Quite the contrary. It reflects a pre-1960s view of history.

The importance of history is not just in the detail. It lies in what it offers as in terms of analysis, how to think about our current relationship to the past. The Western emphasis on empiricism--you're "facts"--is itself a product of positivism and the race and class domination that accompanied it. Empirical ideas of evidence emerged as the sole basis for establishing narrative authority in the late eighteenth and nineteenth-century, just as capitalism and scientific racism were taking hold. When one assumes history is a script, a defined set of facts, it forecloses off the possibility of debate or the simple inclusion of new approaches. It reinforces the very domination by the few that you oppose. In the US, we are still mired in Rankean notions of history, though college training in the subject should provide an introduction to other modes of analysis. In places like France and Brazil, any college student would by necessity learn more theoretical approaches. Marx is a basic starting point, but Foucault is certainly commonplace today as well. US history, although far less innovative than histories of other parts of the world, has not for decades presented history in terms of actions by a few privileged individuals, as the site you link to does. The Civil Rights movement changed the field of history, so that it is simply no longer tenable to tell American history without discussing contributions by Native Americans, women, or African Americans, even in the most rudimentary US history surveys. If you want to argue against the domination of the society by a few, it is simply ideologically inconsistent to support a view of history that does precisely that.

My own view of history, certainly not the only one possible, is that a privileged class controls and benefits from the structure of modern capitalist society. That class, however, is not limited to a dozen men sitting in a dark room conspiring. In Marxist terms, they are the class that controls the means of production. They control wealth and hence state power in all but a handful of countries in modern history.
Karl Marx outlines well one paradigm for understanding this process. Marx was himself a great historian and has influenced tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of historians who have written since his death. He is essential reading for anyone seeking to understand historical change.

[jus_the_facts]

34. yeah we continue to act exactly like animals.......

....our evolution hasn't brought us far enough to overcome our basic instincts of irrational emotion...as so much has changed....it all stays the same...in inventing new and improved ways to kill each other we've discovered how to make ourselves as lazy and complacent as possible..consuming everything in our wake...regardless of our ability to paint pictures around the span of time...the end result proves we've not progressed far from our chimp ancestors much at all...

[Bridget Burke]

18. You've outlined some great ideas for a website....

When will it be up?

[imenja]

28. any US history textbook will suffice

There is no need for a website. A simple trip to the library will take care of it. There are likely US history texts available through e-book collections through your local university or public library.

[slor]

13. Thanks, posting to read later. n/t

[jus_the_facts]

15. You're welcome...

....pass it forward for all to see...if you will. :hi:

[Bridget Burke]

19. "Continuing Education" is the concept....

It's used in some professions, but should relate to everyone.

Think that history is taught badly nowadays? Or did you get your formal education many years ago--when it wasn't perfect, either?

Formal education is wonderful but nobody should stop learning when they get their diploma. There are thousands of books, hundreds of websites & even educational TV shows. Some are excellent, others are crap. Even the good ones may use very different viewpoints. We need to continue learning--& sharpening our critical faculties, as well.

[jus_the_facts]

21. Well said....

.....it amazes me on a daily basis how some highly educated people are so narrow minded...limited by their lack of common sense and even other subjects besides what they were educated in to make money....definitely has impact on why the world continues to decline and history keeps repeating. :hi:

[RobinA]

22. Along Similar Lines

take a look at "Secrets" by Daniel Ellsberg. Having the Prozac handy may be indicated.

I will say, however, that I have problems with any information that purports to be the REAL history and then adheres to the Saint Bobby myth. RFK only sometimes "embodied American ideals." Which is fine, but let's not deify the man, or any man.

[jus_the_facts]

23. Thanks.....

...and o'course there are NO perfect people...some just try a LOT harder to make the playing field more even for everyone instead of only a few. :hi:

[gordianot]

24. There are new reports on the Iraq war rumored in Washington.

That will never see the light of day. They have lost that bid and it will be their eventual downfall (if there is a downfallnot after they kill more American Kids,(innocent) Iraqi's and create a pool of terrorist which they allege to be fighting.

I really think they expected to secure those oil fields.

[BrklynLiberal]

29. Superb. I have forwarded the link to everyone on my list.

[jus_the_facts]

30. Thank you....

:hi: