all in all, how does 9-11 stack up against Pearl Harbor?

[mopaul]

we all know that the PNAC gang had a hardon for a 'pearl harbor type event', they got one, and they got everything they ever desired from it.

historically, socially, psychologically, which tragedy has had the greatest effect on america? or is it too early to tell?

[KlatooBNikto]

1. Let me put in my two cents worth.

Pearl Harbor, if it was a conspiracy by FDR to throw the U.S. on the side of Britain and the allies, was based on a genuine interpretation of a threat from Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.They were not phantom threats.

9/11, on the other hand, allowed, Bush-Cheny-Rumsfeld, to create a nonexistent threat and allowed them to destroy our own Democracy.

You know which one is a more heinous crime. I don't have to wait for history's verdict.

[BornaDem]

6. Small in comparison to Pearl Harbor...

When the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, they were already at war with a lot of the world and had been, but we weren't watching them close enough (or at all) to notice their airforce coming all the way across the Pacific? OK. On 9/11, less than 20 individuals who were already inside the US flying around on commercial flights for practice hijacked our own planes and flew them into two buildings, the Pentagon and the ground. If the gov't had wanted to pass legislation to do away with our democracy, they could have done it right after 9/11 with close to 100% support from elected Democrats. It was months before we heard the first peep out of a Democrat as far as objections to the Patriot Act (when the election was approaching.)

I don't think 9/11 can hold a candle to WWII and I don't agree with your assessment of which is "a more heinous crime." Our "democracy" has been going down the tubes for a hell of a lot longer than since 9/11 just like the rest of western civilization.

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[BornaDem]

9. Sorry, what I said you misconstrued or I worded incorrectly...

I never meant that the highjackers were flying commercial planes as pilots. They were flying around as passengers practicing how they would highjack a plane which is common knowledge from everything I have read about 9/11. I have not even read about them using simulators. All I ever saw was that some had taken flying lessons, but certainly not on commercial jets, at some private flying schools.

You will have to enlighten me as to what "PNAC" is and what exactly their agenda is.

You are welcome to your viewpoint as I am to mine and I have no intention of arguing that you are wrong in yours. It is all a matter of opinion, isn't it? And I was giving mine.

[Stanchetalarooni]

2. Shell shocked.

Psychologically numbed.
Emotionally shut down.
Denial.
Led by the nose.
Isolated.
Out of touch with cause and effect.
Inability to discriminate factual from the farcical.
Continued belief in bogeyman.
Stuck in Disneyland.

[teryang]

3. 911 didn't change the world

It only ratified a domestic coup d'etat.

The "911 changed the world" jingo sounds ridiculous, when the brain washed repeat it. It's absurd on its face. It only changed our form of government.

[TahitiNut]

5. One must wonder why Oklahoma City didn't "change the world."

:shrug:

[baldguy]

4. 9-11 = the Reichstag Fire

Bush needed an excuse to expand Americas military presence in the Middle East.

[Beam Me Up]

8. 9-11 = "Raghead"

That is the equation the * administration and the media set very quickly in the average citizens' mind. Images of those poor people jumping from those burning towers. Over and over again. Images of the towers collapsing killing all within. Over and over again. Images of the Pentagon in flames for days and weeks on end. All of it caused by one man, Usama bin Laden, with long heair, a beard, turban, and an automatic rifle always at his side. Over and over again.

I wasn't alive during Pearl Harbor so I'm not sure how it was handled in the news or how people reacted to it. I assume that the reaction hearing radio announcers reading the wire stories, seeing the huge headlines with photographs of burning and sinking ships, seeing film footage at the cinema--I assume all this had an equally horrifying effect on people. It saddened them, frightened them, made them angry, made them want revenge and retaliation, a kind of satisfaction that was FINALLY REALIZED IN HIROSHIMA AND NAGASAKI in 1945.

From my perspective, 9-11 is worse than Pearl Harbor and may yet have a worse outcome because its full intention is not merely to launch a war in the middle east but to lay the foundation for the destruction of our Republic and its transformation into a fascist-neoconservative theocratic State. Moreover, I believe there will yet be another 'attack' and this next one will be far worse, thus legitimizing full military conscription and the use of tactical nukes when ever they wish, where ever they wish.

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