A liberal is a conservative with a conscience, and a conservative is a

[goodboy]

liberal without a conscience.

Explanation: Liberals are the only ones who ACTUALLY conserve. Be it, life, knowledge natural resources, treasury, personal privacy, etc. Our conscience guides us toward making the world a better place.

Conservatives don't conserve anything. They destroy life, knowledge, natural resources, our treasury, and personal privacy. They have no conscience, (or soul for that matter) and they want to destroy the world (and everyone who doesn't agree with them)and remake it to suit their own perverted disgusting ideology.


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[goodboy]

1. test...one, two...test...is this thing on?

[patrice]

2. Yes!! Inclusion IS Conservation.

Inclusion and including are hallmark of the genuine Liberal. Inclusion conserves, ergo liberals are conservative.

Exclusion and excluding are hallmarks of what is called "Conservative". Exclusion wastes (at minimum that which is excluded), wasting is not Conservative, ergo "Conservatives" are not Conservative. They're the "liberals" that they say we are, but which we, in fact, aren't, because we are inclusive and inclusion is conservative.

It's weird, everything they say about us is often more true of them than it is of us.

[goodboy]

4. I like the word "Conservator" rather than "Conservative"

[patrice]

9. Yes that's better, and all of the forms thereof:

Conserving, conservation, conserve, conservator(s) . . . . . conservee, hah! Pardon my poetic license.

[goodboy]

15. words, words, words...(and goodboy's a jackass)

[charlyvi]

19. Um. That's Hamlet from Hamlet

Hamlet Act II Scene II:

Lord Polonius

How say you by that? Still harping on my
daughter: yet he knew me not at first; he said I
was a fishmonger: he is far gone, far gone: and
truly in my youth I suffered much extremity for
love; very near this. I'll speak to him again.
What do you read, my lord?

Hamlet
Words, words, words.

Maybe you're thinking of "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow" from Macbeth.

[goodboy]

21. I'm thinking I shouldn't have eaten that special brownie last night

of course it's hamlet. I fixed it. Thank you!

[charlyvi]

24. Shakespeare reads great after those "special" brownies

The plays run in mad technicolor right in your head!

;-)

[goodboy]

25. Last night, I was like Falstaff..(nt)

[charlyvi]

26. I've been like Cleopatra quite a few times....

Ouch! f---ing asp!

[charlyvi]

22. LOL!

No--Goodboy's a Shakespeare lover.

[Lindacooks]

3. That is exactly the rationale that changed me from a

conservative to a liberal.

You're exactly right. Conservatives don't conserve anything - they're reckless with life, the environment, science, people, privacy - maybe we should rename them the Wasters.

[goodboy]

5. Wasters is a good word...I like fascist more though! (nt)

[patrice]

6. Oh!! I LIKE that! The Wasters.

and never forget the Fascist instinct.

Religious fascists waste others' lives.

[patrice]

27. The Wasters and wasting, wasted, wrastle, rascals and Carpetbaggers too.

Most wasted? wastemaximus? waste-ee - for those of you familiar with contracting your "work" to the Corporatocracy, waste-iness, waste-infinitude, waste-inity ?

"They name is 'Conservative'!"

[Raksha]

23. How about the Despoilers?

As in "The Despoiling of America" (link below to the Yurica Report, for those who haven't read the article yet). The Despoilers has a more elegant ring to it, and means the same thing as Wasters.
The Yurica Report

[patrice]

28. Despoilers rape, and that's what's happening to Earth! And our children's

future is being Despoiled. Despoilers are usually also rapists. We should call a spade a spade, especially when it comes to Rape. Wymyn, speak out about the despoilers of your and your childrens' lives. Those who Despoil everyone's futures and Rapists should not be allowed to hide!!

[Catherine Vincent]

7. Call me liberal or progressive, it doesn't matter.

As long as you don't call me conservative.:-)

[goodboy]

8. How about a Conservator?

[Freedom_from_Chains]

10. A rather broad generalization I would think.

Conservatism, as an ideology, is as the name implies, to conserve, to maintain the status quo. The rational being if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it.

Liberalism, although not as evident in the term, takes a look at existing social structures and says, how can we improve them.

They actually are part and partial one in the same, just opposite sides of the same coin, one in need of the other. As to where conservatism says, yes we should change and evolve, let's not do so too quickly or irresponsible. Although when conservatism becomes resistant to change, as it is today, it is no longer conservatism.

Conservatism needs liberalism to pull it forward; liberalism needs conservatism to act as a restraint to see that it does not move forward irresponsibly. The truth being that no matter how good ones intent might be to make things better, good intentions without thoughtful inquiry, can produce disastrous results. Or to put it another way, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[goodboy]

11. There's a lot of truth in what you're saying. (nt)

[Freedom_from_Chains]

12. I think so, or I wouldn't have posted it. LOL

It sometimes appears to me that both conservatism and liberalism have broken down, neither one performing the function they are suppose to to keep us free and safe.

Then again, maybe I have just become totally despondent.

[goodboy]

13. cynical maybe...despondent, never! F.F.C...FWIW, I really enjoy

reading your posts!

[Freedom_from_Chains]

14. Thank you

And yes, perhaps cynicism is more accurate. At any rate whatever it is I don't think it is good, or at least not something one should be experiencing in a properly functioning society.

[opihimoimoi]

16. If we think for .01 nanosec we would realize the Conservatives are

a code word for all you mentioned above...

They care not for the WHOLE of HUmanity and would rather care for themselves, fuck off all others. Benevolency and altruism are not in their vocab. Exploiters/ control freaks/ and Dominators is whot they are.... deluded too....which explains how they can sleep at nite..

[goodboy]

20. The reason they can sleep at night, in addition to delusion, is

Ambien. Apparrantly everyone in the WH takes it.

owell described his killer schedule in an interview Thursday with Abdul Rahman Al-Rashed, a reporter for a London-based Saudi newspaper.

"So do you use sleeping tablets to organize yourself?" Al-Rashed asked.

"Yes. Well, I wouldn't call them that," Powell said. "They're a wonderful medication -- not medication. How would you call it? They're called Ambien, which is very good. You don't use Ambien? Everybody here uses Ambien."
http://talkleft.com/new_archives/004355.html

[patrice]

29. They live by dog-eat-dog, survival of me and mine, crocodile tears for

others.

It's weird that they don't seem to recognize that they are rats caught in a race; they seem like like this fact . . . . surprising to me, and to others who are pretty uncommfortable with the rat race, which all of us have to endure as a fact of social life.

[Nite Owl]

17. They so succeeded in making

Liberal a bad word. I want it back.

When was it, back in the 80's maybe when crime was worse or they made it seem so, they would say a consevative is a liberal who has been mugged, something like that. They made it seem like if you are all grown up you have have to be a conservative, only young people who haven't seen enough of life would be liberals. Well, what I have noticed is that our ideals are just fine if a con gets hit with the consequences of being a con. Look at Nancy Reagan and the stem cell research, would she really be so outspoken if it didn't effect someone she loved? I don't think so. I think it is just the opposite of what they say, a conservative is someone who hasn't been down the road of no healthcare and such. They are selfish and immature.

[goodboy]

18. It's amazing how the tolerance and compassion comes out when

one of their own is affected directly as a result of thir warped ideological positions...stem cells, abortion, sex, drugs, all their "conservative" dogmatic charades just fly out the window like RushyContin's drug money.

[patrice]

30. "The ends justifies the means." Weird!!

[goodboy]

33. uh huh..like, "it doesn't matter that Iraq didn't have WMD's for 12 years

before we invaded, because Saddam was a tyrant anyhow."

Translated: "Sorry bout yer kidz, but we NEEDS that oil"

[deadparrot]

31. Reminds me of a bumper sticker

I saw at the movies last weekend.

"What exactly are conservatives conserving?"

[opihimoimoi]

32. They are stuck on Conserving Ignorance and LOLOness....and....

implementing the above.

[goodboy]

34. I'll tell you...

NOTHING!