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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 08:09 AM
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Dead bugs used to make yogurt.
This is something I find quite disturbing. There are some yogurt companies that use an ingredient called carmine to color their yogurt. Carmine is pulverized red insects. Vegetarians and those who follow kosher dietary laws should also be aware of it.

Dannon uses it in their cherry and strawberry yogarts.

http://www.newstarget.com/z002043.html

Thursday, May 05, 2005
Ground up beetles found in yogurt -- carmine serves as insect-based food coloring ingredient
This is not a joke: there are ground up red beetles being used right now as a food coloring ingredient in yogurt, ice cream, juice drinks and many other grocery products. The ingredient is called "carmine."
Carmine is literally made from dried, ground-up red beetles, and its coloring (bright red) is used in yogurt, juice drinks, candies, and a long list of other products, including many "natural" products.

It's not that these red beetles are dangerous. Except for a few individuals who suffer severe allergic reactions to the beetles, most people do just fine eating carmine. Beetles are probably good for you, just like ants. High in protein, low in fat... you get the picture.

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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 08:13 AM
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1. Great...
I gotta prevent my kids from hearing about this.

They'd be upset to know that the cast from "A Bug's Life" is mixed in with their strawberry yogurt.

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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 08:13 AM
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2. OMG, that is disturbing !!
No wonder so many folks have undiagnosed allergies/reactions to stuff -- nobody's really sure what half the products in the grocery are made of anymore !!!

:puke:

I really need to learn how to grow my own food.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 08:13 AM
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3. I'm not sure i see what's supposed to be disturbing about it
I mean it's kind of gross - but is there evidence that isn't safe?

But of coures I am not a vegetarian and enjoy a delicious bratwurst or even hot dog , so it's possible we are looking at this from two different angles.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 08:13 AM
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4. Holy crap, it's true.... yuck!
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 08:14 AM
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5. From Snopes....
http://www.snopes.com/food/ingredient/bugjuice.htm

Claim: The food colorants cochineal and carmine are made from ground beetles.

Status: True.

Example:


Origins: Next time you're browsing the supermarket in search of the makings of that night's dinner, pause a moment to read the ingredients Color bug labels of your favorite red-colored ingestibles and cosmetics. Chances are, you'll discover a notation for cochineal, carmine, or carminic acid, pigments whose origins might surprise and possibly disgust you.

Cochineal and its close cousin carmine (also known as carminic acid) are derived from the crushed carcasses of a particular South and Central American beetle. These popular colorants, which today are used to impart a deep red shade to fruit juices, gelatins, candies, shampoos, and more, come from the female Dactylopius coccus, a beetle that inhabits a type of cactus known as Opuntia.

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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 08:16 AM
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6. Maybe I'm weird, but I would prefer getting food coloring from a NATURAL
source - even crushed bugs - than from artificially created chemicals.

Now whether food NEEDS to be colored is a whole different debate, of course.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 09:19 AM
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20. Beet juice works great as a red coloring
just a couple drops and the yogurt will be all cute and pink. Doesn't make it taste like beets, either ;)
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 10:39 AM
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32. The yogurt that I now buy does use beet juice for their strawberry.
Stoneyfield.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 08:22 AM
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7. Yep, cochineal bugs.
They're those tiny red spiders you might find crawling on you. My mother used to call them Money Spiders -- they're supposed to be good luck!

I don't know if eating them gives you the good luck, though...

Go read Fast Food Nation -- it tells you all about colorants and the difference between natural and unnatural flavorings. (Hint: not always so different)
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 08:25 AM
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8. Well, sticking with organic, non-sugary/sweetened yogurt would solve
that problem!
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Danmel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 08:25 AM
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9. Del Monte uses it in their Fruit Cocktail
I bought a can of it, along with some other food to donate to a food pantry through my son's Hebrew School. The food was for a Kosher pantry (yes, there are poor Jews) and I noticed when we got home that there was no Kosher mark on the label, so I called Del Monte and they told me it was cochineal- made from Beetle Shells- Ewwwww

This way they can say it is "all natural". I think most people would prefer red dye to crushed bugs!
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 08:34 AM
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10. In the case of yogurt, I can't understand what's so bad about the
gorgeous Natural color of the strawberries and cherries that they feel that there is a need for enhancement.

I didn't know about Del Monte Fruit Cocktail. I haven't had it years, but loved it as a kid.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 08:38 AM
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11. Heh heh heh.
Learned this when I went veg. Yummy.
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 08:44 AM
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12. I use soy peach yogurt, for cooking only.
Never really cared for yogurt otherwise.

Another thing to note is tattoo ink - although I don't think carmine is used for red inks anymore, it was at one time. I've also read that black inks are made from bone char. Anybody thinking about getting a "Vegan for life" tattoo on their forehead might want to inquire as to whether the ink is vegan or not.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 08:45 AM
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13. Oh those dead bugs are in LOTS of things
cheddar cheese
ruby red grapefruit and pink grapefruit drinks
popsicles
red or orange mouthwash
red sports drinks
sweet and sour sauces
ice cream
some lipsticks and glosses
orange juice
red & orange alcholic drinks including wine
red icing and baked goods like cranberry muffins
desert toppings
strawberry syrup


This list is off the top of my head, there's tons more I'm sure. If the thought of munching, drinking or smearing dead bugs on your face is repugnant to you look in the ingredients for cochineal, carmine or E120. All are names for the same thing.

It takes 70,000 dead squashed and ground up bugs to make one pound of coloring. It's wonder the little buggars aren't extinct.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 08:50 AM
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15. I forgot to add that the funniest thing about this article is that
it totally FAILS to address the PUS CELLS that are found in EVERY SINGLE dairy product in America due to the prevelance of mastitis in our horribly abused dairy cow population.

PUS :puke:


talk about your ICK factor.
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freeplessinseattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 10:23 AM
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29. yep, that is what made me finally go full-fledged vegan
after reading this site http://www.notmilk.com
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 08:49 AM
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14. Yummm, dead bugs
my very favoritest treat!

:puke:
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 08:59 AM
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17. Renfield is that you????
(Renfield is the character in Dracula that eats bugs)
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 08:52 AM
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16. Ewwwww!!!!!
Yuck! :puke:
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 09:16 AM
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19. So is raw bloody afterbirth
But I'll bet you won't be bellying up to a plate of that anytime soon.
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LiberallyInclined Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 04:41 PM
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42. not without a box of "placenta helper"...
you just add the placenta!
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 10:04 PM
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47. O damn that was funny!
Best I've read on DU today. Placenta Helper! LOVE IT!
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WillowTree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 09:28 AM
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21. I don't have to worry about this.
I make my own yogurt fresh at least a couple of times a week. Have a lovely bowl of fresh pineapple and yogurt in front of me right now. Why anyone would buy the horribly expensive processed junk with sugar, gelatin, preservatives and godonlyknowswhatelse in it when it's so cheap and easy to make it fresh is beyond me.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 09:31 AM
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22. But the dead bugs are found in lots of things, not just yogurt - see
the above (partial) list.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 09:48 AM
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23. This will make for some interesting conversation in the next few days.
It's hard to avoid eating insects. They're in everything, it seems, unless you grow your own.

What makes me angry is that companies feel the need to dye the food, anyway. I know cheddar cheese is naturally white (which I only eat organic with vegetable rennet). What on earth is the purpose of making it orange? Maybe it's some practice long ago so people could tell them apart.

There was a girl in my high school who found out about insects being in so many foods, and she quit eating. Seriously. We all became very alarmed, but she just couldn't get over the queasiness for a long time at the thought of ingesting insect particles.

I try not to think about it. I remember my prehistoric ancestors who ate anything and everything to stay alive. I remember that if I were starving, yes, I'd eat bugs. So, it's all relative and it's by choice and conditioning that we form these aversions.

Still, ewwwwww. I'll be looking for those items in food ingredient labels. Insects love the dirt, and the dirt is filled with chemicals these days.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 09:59 AM
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25. If you are worried about chemicals I hope you're a vegetarian
who buys organic because the levels of substances like dioxin, herbicides and pesticides in flesh products is just staggering.

http://www.ems.org/dioxin/nat_academies_meat.html
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 10:28 AM
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31. Yes and yes.
I've been a vegetarian for many years, and began to buy organic as soon as it was available in my little town. Organic fruits and vegetables taste real. The junk at Safeway, Albertsons, et cetera, tastes watered down. People are forgetting what food is supposed to taste like, so they eat more, or they eat more of the wrong things, trying to satisfy their instinctive need for pleasure in food. And I think we are somewhat programmed to seek pleasure in food, JMHO.

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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 11:36 AM
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34. I buy organic when I can afford it
unfortunately it isn't always easily cheap or readily-available in this town/city. We have a decent health food store, but their produce selection isn't always ample. Most of the grocery stores carry at least some organic produce, but their selection seems to vary widely over time.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 10:09 PM
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48. Have that problem here too
buy organic when we can, scrub and peel everything else. At least with fruits and vegetables you CAN scrub and peel. With animal products the only way to get the toxins out is to drop a bunch of weight or for females, lactate, since toxins are held in fatty tissues.

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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 09:50 AM
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24. dead bugs, dead animals....
what's the difference?
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 10:06 AM
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26. The difference is that if you order a beef steak, you are aware of what
it is. If most people were informed about carmine, how many do you think would opt to go for it?
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 10:26 AM
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30. Kind of like hot dogs. NOBODY knows what's in a hot dog.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 03:51 PM
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35. lol! That is why I was clear when I said beef steak. Hot dogs are not
specific....... ;)
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 10:08 AM
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27. first sylent green . . .
and NOW THIS??!!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 10:09 AM
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28. Yes, but for vegetarians, they aren't on the menu.
Why can't omnivores get it. Chickens are not plants, Fish are not plants. Beetles are not plants!
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LiberallyInclined Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 04:43 PM
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43. and look at all the vegetarians that have survived just fine-
after eating ground up beetles for all this time...

sheesh... :eyes:
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CBGLuthier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 10:50 AM
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33. Since yogurt is made from bacteria waste souring milk
What's a little bug shell matter.

I only eat fresh un-sugared yogurt I get from the local asian markets anyway. Mainly as a cooking ingredient in Indian recipes.

Dannon is over priced nasty yogurt.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 04:13 PM
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36. I wish I hadn't read this thread.
Sometimes ignorance is bliss.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 04:16 PM
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37. I'll take Carmine over Red #40 anytime!
It's the FD&C, petrochemical waste byproducts that are really harmful, not using insects as coloring - which has been done since the beginning of mankind.
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FinallyStartingToWin Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 04:34 PM
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38. No Biggie
There are similar situations with a huge multitude of products you buy. Take any product with fragrance, for example, such as candles, air freshners, perfumes, detergents. Many of the fragrances contain ingredients such as cat gut (Civet Oil) and crushed beaver balls (Castoreum). You'd be surprised how many other products are out there that have ingredients that you don't know the true origin of. All things considered, I consider this one to be one of the lesser disturbing ones.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 04:37 PM
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39. This is one of those things I'd rather just not know about
Kind of like how we all have microscopic bugs in our eyebrows and shit. Ew.
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LiberallyInclined Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 04:40 PM
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40. so what? dead mammals used to make meatloaf...
dead plants used to make corn on the cob...

and look at all he people who have survived just fine all these years eating the stuff.
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HEIL PRESIDENT GOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 04:41 PM
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41. Commercial yogurt is repulsive bugs or no
One more reason to buy organic
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LiberallyInclined Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 04:46 PM
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44. you obviously haven't had stoneyfield farms french vanilla....
mmmmmmmmmmm....that's good.

btw- food bigots make me laugh.
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HEIL PRESIDENT GOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 04:48 PM
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45. Never heard of stonyfield farms
And those of us who live in rural areas might actually see this as a real political issue and not some pissy little culture war
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 04:59 PM
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46. Stoneyfield French Vanilla is super yummy!!!!! It's organic too! n/t
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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 10:12 PM
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49. Isn't yogurt basicially bacteria poop itself?
So, a little bit of bug merely livens things up.
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 10:23 PM
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50. I'm allergic to this food coloring
but the bug thing doesn't bother me.
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Jack_DeLeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 12:02 AM
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51. meh...
there are tons of bugs and insects in all of our food. Insects get in where they make ground beef, or fall into the friers or whatever.
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unsavedtrash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 06:52 AM
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52. don't forget about red lipstick too.
It is in a lot of our foods. But then again, the FDA also allows a certain amount of rat poo in our foods too.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:18 AM
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53. what's the big deal?
probably high in protien.

would you prefer chemicals? :shrug:
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unsavedtrash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:21 AM
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54. just honesty really. tell me if Dactylopius coccus guts are in my food.
:9
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:22 AM
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55. Better than eating a cockroach at a Chinese restaurant.
Probably 2/3 of the restaurants in San Francisco should be up on health dept. violations.
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