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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 03:07 AM
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Whoa, where do all Gays come from? Not Gay couples, dats fer sure....
They come from hetros.....don't they??

So why are the fundies so against Gay marriage??

Somethin don click here.....

Come, we go look for Nature to explain.....
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 03:18 AM
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1. They think it's a "choice"
And that "choice" which supposedly flies in the face of their book of Leviticus is the reason for their neverending fascination with the subject.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 03:23 AM
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4. They got the answers, all of them.....
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 03:21 AM
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2. I think a lot of hetero parents feel they "failed" somehow
when their children "out themselves". Rather than turning against themselves, many turn against their children and the gay culture in general.

I also think that many people who are anti-gay are either closeted and afraid they'll be "found out" or live in fear that their kids may be gay and it would be "their fault".

A lot of people are generally clueless on this entire issue, especially a lot of "Christians" who claim it is "wrong per the Bible".

These people need to understand that, whether or not they want to accept that gays are "born that way", it is just plain "un-Christian" to spew hatred against them. If they truly believe that everyone is God's creation and God loves all of His creations, then how can they justify their own hatred and fear of gays?

They have absolutely NO evidence that gay parents produce "gay children" or are in any way, shape or form inferior to heterosexual couples in that regard. In fact, I know gay couples with children and their relationships are much more stable than those of other, heterosexual, couples I know, and they are very devoted parents. I know two gay men who are raising a little girl--now, tell me, how could they possibly influence this child in a way that would "make her" become a lesbian, or even if she WERE a lesbian how could anyone say that it was "their doing", and how could they possibly pose any kind of a "risk" to this child in any sexual sense at all?
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LibInternationalist Donating Member (861 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 07:53 AM
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13. In a biological sense...
they have failed, in that their genes will not be passed on to future generations -- not that this is an excuse, as civilization arguably takes away the need for strictly biological inheritance, but it may be a root explanation for some behavior
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 12:26 PM
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17. The one thing I am most proud of my father for... He never thought he
failed in that regard (he failed in other ways, but that's another story). When I told him I was gay when I was 19, he said that he had always suspected it and that he was glad that I wouldn't be marrying a man and giving up my independence. His reaction kinda bummed me out because I was looking for him to disown me at the time. :)
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Meeker Morgan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 03:22 AM
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3. I don't really care what causes it ...
... as long as I am free to be myself and not have to deal with discrimination.
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 03:25 AM
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5. Hey Morgan...
Welcome to DU!

:hi:
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Meeker Morgan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 03:27 AM
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6. Thanks n/t
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Lucky Luciano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 03:29 AM
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7. I would be curious
from a scientific point of view why some animals are gay. The only problem with researching it though is that by doing so, the haters would want to use that research to try to "cure" gays. I have wondered if there are pheromone receptors in all of us....straights might have receptors only for the opposite sex....gays for the same sex....and bi people...well maybe they have all kinds of receptors.

:shrug:
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 03:32 AM
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8. There has been research.
There are gay animals.

It's bloody nature.

>To the fundies....Get over it.



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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 04:14 AM
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9. I wonder how many become gay *because* of parental homophobia
Children have a way of reflecting their/our parents' greatest aspirations and darkest fears. They/we learn to mock adult insecurities, mimic adult triumphs, and as they/we age, gain a measure of their/our own to share with the next generation. What fears and pleasures will we/they know in turn, those who come after them/us? Surely the experience itself must evolve along with the zeitgeist, seeking unexplored niches in which to nurture behaviors and beings unimagined in mythology, undiscovered in science, undug archaeologies waiting to emerge in the spirit of generations to come.

Is this facet of Nature genetic? Is it psychological? Where does one end and the other begin? You/I have your/my mother's eyes, and your/my grandfather's nose, and your/my father's temper, and your/my provincial accent... Is it rooted in subjective experience, or subjective chemistry, or an inseparable combination, this alleged lack of willpower?

Who are the authoritarians to speak of willpower? It is the will to power itself that drives the engine of discovery, which must be surpressed for authority to exist. But the eyes of the world have opened, life perceives itself again. Look, little Eve has her Mother's eyes!
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 04:30 AM
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10. Why, they are the children of God, just like everyone else....
Edited on Fri May-06-05 04:30 AM by Zorra
well, yeah, ok, except maybe for the hate filled intolerant narrow minded fundies.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 06:07 AM
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11. Yeah, the fundies have some how rewritten the
commandment Jesus identified as the most important: Love they neighbor as thyself, except for gays, women who have and provide abortions, people with liberal ideas and anyone my church tells me to hate.

For being fundamentalists they sure don't pay any attention to what Jesus said. They are always reading into his sayings and changing what he clearly stated.
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ragin_acadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 07:44 AM
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12. the devil makes gays because
Clinton ruined that $35 dollar dress from the gap.

or at least that's the worldnetdaily explanation.






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liberalpress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 08:31 AM
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14. HEre's what my right wing acquaintances tell me....
1. They choose to be gay ( I guess because it'sd so much fun to be discriminated against?)

2. They are recruited as children by eveil homos.

This is what the RW tells me. I, personally don't believe it till I hear it on Fox News <sarcasm off>
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 12:19 PM
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15. Mother Nature is a wise Force: She delves in DIVERSITY
Be Diverse and survive....Meaning, some will be different, some will be good and some not so good.

Diverse Ideas gives us a wider choice of paths to choose from. That the Pubs refuse to listen to any but themselves...is the reason they will fail. From narrow minded practices and paths comes a stifling of the collective mind...

The result of narrow mindedness....Its numbing....

and they would defend/deny the narrow mindedness as GOOD? are they nuts or what?
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 12:23 PM
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16. Heheh, "hetros"--funny! n/t
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 12:33 PM
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18. Misspelling is an American Freedom, ..... lol, a God Given RIGHT?? LOL
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 12:38 PM
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19. Correct!
If anything, they should want to do away with these straight couples producing gay people. Idiots!
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