Is there any medical procedure that MEN are not allowed by law to

[efhmc]

have done to their bodies? I am especially interested in any procedure that involves their reproductive organs.

[Sandpiper]

1. Last I heard

Vasectomies were perfectly legal.

And I've yet to hear of a movement to ban them.

[efhmc]

2. Seriously, I was wondering why we as females cannot cry discrimination

over not being allowed control of our bodies simply because we are females and have females reproductive organs.

[all.of.me]

26. because we are second class citizens!!

put up or shut up is their motto!

[efhmc]

31. But we are more than half of the population. Why don't we have more

power?

[all.of.me]

36. because weak, insecure men keep us down.

it's primal. it goes back a zillion years.

conscious men see our power. unconscious ones don't.

it sucks, doesn't it?!

[efhmc]

47. It sure does.

[CornField]

27. When Mr. CornField had his vasectomy

the doctor's office required that I sign a consent form. I flatly refused and told them he was a grown up and could decide for himself what he wanted to do with his body.

[efhmc]

32. Such silliness. Why are we so hung up on the ability to reproduce?

It's not like there aren't enough (as in way too many) people in this world.

[Ian David]

3. I remember hearing you could implant an embryo in a man's testicles

and that it was illegal to do so.

Something I vaguely remember reading in Omni Magazine circa 1980.

[efhmc]

5. Now that is a new one on me.

I am flabbergasted.

[Ian David]

14. Not sure if this is legit: The Science of Male Pregnancy

In the years since the first "test tube baby" was born in 1978, physicians and scientists from RYT Hospital have been working to develop a viable technique for the successful impregnation of male individuals. Illustrated to the right is a recent radiographic image of Mr. Lee, the first human subject to attempt this procedure, which shows the healthy fetus developing in his abdominal cavity.

Please note that RYT Hospital is not accepting new patients for this procedure. Male pregnancy is still in its experimental stage and will not be available to the public in the immediate future.

In vitro fertilization (IVF) techniques were used to induce an ectopic pregnancy by implanting an embryo and placenta into the abdominal cavity, just under the peritoneum (the surrounding lining). Please read below for the step-by-step process.

1. HORMONES
Oral doses of female hormones were administered to Mr. Lee to make him receptive to the pregnancy. The following graphs of his hormone treatment were prepared by Simone M. Lowell, M.D., Ph.D., Attending Physician and Associate Professor of Biochemistry and Reproductive Medicine at RYT Hospital-Dwayne Medical Center. Dr. Lowell's research is one of the primary reasons that this clinical procedure is now possible.


More:
http://www.malepregnancy.com/science/

[efhmc]

20. But this does not seem to be illegal. Weird, but not illegal.

[chalky]

44. You know this is a hoax site, right?

"The RYT Hospital-Dwayne Medical Center has been on the forefront of recent medical advances. They've developed a transgenic mouse with the cognitive abilities of a human. They've helped a man give birth. They've even developed nano-robots to deliver gene therapies and repair tissue. Pretty amazing stuff. And they've got a very slick website. Too bad none of it is real."


http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/permalink/ryt_hospital/

[efhmc]

46. Nope, I did not know it. LOL

[chalky]

48. Sorry, I jus realized how snotty that sounded.

Left to my own devices I'd believe in everything from the Shroud of Turin to Ramtha. I've gotten into the habit of "Snoping" everything, and the Museum of Hoaxes is one of my resources. ;-)

[efhmc]

50. I just believe that many men are so jealous of women and their ability

to have babies, that they are driven by a desire to take that over from us also. Therefore, it was not far for me to jump from that thought to that site. Feel like a goose now.

[Nobody]

54. I hope they do research this ; it will solve the abortion debate

If a woman doesn't want to be pregnant, the anti-choice crowd can have the embryo tranferred to them instead. Maybe we might even have a lottery to determine who gets the procedure. Bet you these guys will be backtracking at 200 mph.

I say we start with Randall Terry. No, he doesn't get to choose. I do. And I've chosen him to be the first.

on edit: fixed subject line

[efhmc]

56. That would be spectacular. Every unwanted fetus goes into a nonchoice

males' womb/sac. This is a fab idea. Of course, they would argue that this is not God's way and it is totally unnatural. LOVE IT!!

[Solly Mack]

15. Yes, I read that too. Don't think it was the testicles though...

At least I don't recall it being that, I could be wrong.

IIRC, it said the fetus just needed to latch on to an organ in the abdominal region to draw nutrients. Naturally ending with a C-section to be humane.

I thought it a wonderful idea!

The male seahorse is much to be admired.

[Ian David]

40. I remember reading about the duodenum or scrotal sack as options

I'm pretty certain about the scrotal sack option-- it evoked very visceral images.

[Solly Mack]

53. You're probably right

A man wouldn't forget such a suggestion. Well, they wouldn't... :)

[efhmc]

22. Just had a thought. Say our reproductive rights are taken away and a

male is able through artifical means to have a baby and something happens to the fetus and he wants to abort. Will he have to carry the baby to term?

[Solly Mack]

33. "If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament." Florynce -

Kennedy

[efhmc]

34. I have seen that quote before but do not know who that person is who

said it. Do you know?

[Solly Mack]

37. Yes. Flo's dead now but she was a great lady

http://www.crmvet.org/mem/kennedyf.htm

A great feminist.

[efhmc]

39. OMG. I call myself a feminist. How DID I miss this wonderful person?

(Wrote lady and then changed it, but a lady in the TRUE sense of the word.)

[Solly Mack]

43. Here's a link you will enjoy!

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/122300-01.htm

"are you my alternative?" (I love that line)

[efhmc]

49. "Sweetie, if you are not living on the edge, you are taking up space."

Well, that would apply to most of folks around us now. What a wonderful person she was.

[seabeyond]

4. catholics need to go after the vasectomy

after all it is denying the sperm the right to the egg

[efhmc]

6. Are they really okay with the church?

[seabeyond]

8. i wouldn't imagine, but if they publicly go after birth control

pills, they should publicly go after vasectomies

[Mz Pip]

12. The Church is opposed

to all forms of birth control. Sex is for procreation.

Now, I haven't heard them object to old people getting married, but to follow their reasoning to its logic conclusion, that shoudl be forbidden since there would be not chance of procreation occurring.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[efhmc]

18. Is there any other reason to have a vasectomy? Any other health

reason or is like tying ones tubes, for reproduction prevention only?

[Stinky The Clown]

11. If I recall correctly, vasectomies are verboten by the Catholic church

When I had mine (1979, after son #2 was born) I had already lapsed and didn't care. But I seem to recall my mother 'helpfully' pointing that fact out to me. But I'm not sure its a fact.

[yankeeinlouisiana]

52. Yes, the Catholic church does not like vasectomies.

I used to work for an insurance company and we had waivers that were part of the contract. The waiver stated a Catholic hospital did not have to perform any type of sterilization.

[Malva Zebrina]

7. Might be castration

the horror of all men, scared to death that they cannot impregnate as many women as possible, as is their genetic/hormonal impulse.

[efhmc]

9. So if one chooses one could not do this procedure? I seem to recall

a sex offender asking for and having this done?

[Ian David]

13. You are correct. People voluntarily have surgical castration.

In fact, we used to force castration of the mentally retarded, right here in America.

[efhmc]

16. So it not illegal if voluntary?

[XemaSab]

25. Men are allowed

to have sex change operations, which involves lopping off the beans and franks.

Not illegal.

[Lorien]

28. There have been cases of sexual predators

who begged the state for castration, and the government would not permit it.

[Cleita]

10. I read sometime ago that if you want to be neutered, like

having your testicles removed, you can't and would have to have it done in a foreign country. However, how this affects sex change operations, which I think are legal, I don't know.

[efhmc]

17. What would be the difference ? If one does a sex change from male to

female, it would all go, right?

[Cleita]

19. That was my point.

I don't know much about it, but I think they put the testicles inside kind of like fake ovaries or something like that, but they are sliced and changed into something else.

[efhmc]

21. Yep, I think they do this or whatever they want to their reproductive

organs. Again, why isn't it then discrimination to tell women what they can do with their reproductive organs?

[Cleita]

23. Of course it is.

No one has any right over a woman's body without her permission and against her wishes.

[efhmc]

24. Well, of course, I knew you would know the right answer to this. I am

just wondering why this cannot be argued legally?

[Doc Bottom]

29. No...

In a male-to-female "gender reassignment" surgery, the testicles go down to the incinerator in the hospital basement.

It's the penis that gets sliced and turned inside out.

Anyway, yeah, this is legal, and it is castration. Not just anybody can go and get this done in the US, though -- surgeons who do it like to be very sure that they only do it to 'real transexuals' and so you must have a psycho, the rapist reassure the surgeon that you are a real transexual, and do this thing where you live in the desired gender-role for a year or so before the surgery, to see that you can manage it.

[Cleita]

30. Thanks for weighing in. I wasn't sure.

Basically, just how much interference do males have to tolerate in regard their reproductive choices and organs? I don't think as much as women do, but if they do then I think it's wrong too.

[Doc Bottom]

35. Transgendered people

Regardless of their genetically-determined sex, never really qualify as "men" with the privledges thereof. So they're probably irrelevant to the discussion.

One might say that men have to tolerate a great deal of interference in their reproductive choices and organs. Just not from the state -- women can very easily use birth control without the male's knowledge or consent. I don't think anybody really ought to take an issue with that, but in such a case, his reproductive choices are none. But then again, under many circumstances either partner is perfectly capable of thwarting his or her lover's wishes concerning contraception.

Male babies are subjected to genital mutilation as a matter of course. Admittedly, most adult men prefer being circumsized to the horror of dick cheese, but so much for non-interference with your sexual organs.

I don't think these things are really comperable to abortion-rights issues.

[CornField]

38. Totally off topic, but...

What is "the horror of dick cheese"?

Have you stopped laughing yet? LOL! I have a cut husband and an uncut son. Just wondering if "dick cheese" was something I need to be on the lookout for during bath time.

[efhmc]

41. Two uncut gsons and have no idea what you are talking about.

However, I understand that more and more insurance companies will not be paying for that "procedure" because it is not necessary. {Plus it hurts those little guys unnecessarily, I am sure.}

[Doc Bottom]

45. The horror

"Dick cheese" is the nasty crud that can build up under the foreskin if a man doesn't pull it back and wash under it.

It's one of those "your milage may vary" things. Just like some people don't get smelly even if they don't shower for days, and others are pretty rank after less than twelve hours. Some guys don't get dick cheese, some guys get it so fast they'd best be nipping off with a washcloth before enjoying a lunchtime BJ, if they've any courtesy at all.

[efhmc]

51. Way too much info. Could have done without knowing this one.

[Vinca]

55. The key word here is "bath."

If a male is taught to bring soap in close proximity to his body often enough, "dick cheese," which is technically called "smegma" should not be a problem. After witnessing a circumcision years ago, uncut gets my vote.

[efhmc]

57. Daily soaking in the tub with soap does seem to be a great solution.

[efhmc]

42. Made the choice not to cut the little gbabies. We left it up to the poppy

and after viewing an internet video, he said no way. As to birth control, when a guy has the possibility of being pg after many or most sexual encounters we will talk equality.