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No |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Apr-26-05 09:52 AM |
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Apr-26-05 09:59 AM |
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It's simple |
makhno |
Apr-26-05 10:07 AM |
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I declined to pray for her..I did not wish her any ill will |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Apr-26-05 10:16 AM |
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Yeah, sign me up for that list |
LynneSin |
Apr-26-05 10:20 AM |
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Lucifer has cancer...please include him in your prayers |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Apr-26-05 10:22 AM |
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you nailed it |
ooglymoogly |
Apr-26-05 10:26 AM |
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I can't pray for her either |
leftofthedial |
Apr-26-05 11:59 AM |
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here is a woman who has done everything she can to destroy the lives |
flyarm |
Apr-27-05 12:15 AM |
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AND, gays, from the time she was freaking in college. |
jdj |
Apr-27-05 12:31 AM |
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I pray that her adversity will teach her humility and compassion |
MollyStark |
Apr-26-05 02:17 PM |
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Good Prayer, MollyStark... |
thecai |
Apr-27-05 12:30 AM |
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I was going to say something similar |
KitchenWitch |
Apr-27-05 02:38 AM |
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Of course we wish the best for her in this fight. |
ElizabethEdwards |
Apr-26-05 07:45 PM |
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You're so right |
Demgirl |
Apr-26-05 09:15 PM |
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Nice to see you here |
nini |
Apr-26-05 09:29 PM |
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OK I consider myself both humbled and corrected - and my apologies |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Apr-26-05 09:37 PM |
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It's one of those shrink and skuttle away moments |
LittleClarkie |
Apr-26-05 09:46 PM |
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Cheers for you |
ElizabethEdwards |
Apr-26-05 10:13 PM |
#183 |
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Beautiful, Humble Post, NothingShocksMeAnymore |
thecai |
Apr-27-05 12:45 AM |
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She will be in my prayers. |
LittleClarkie |
Apr-26-05 09:44 PM |
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Getting arrested in your town for being a Democrat. |
scarlett1 |
Apr-27-05 11:44 AM |
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Man, you make me proud to be a Democrat and an Edwards supporter. |
AP |
Apr-26-05 10:58 PM |
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Excellent Prayer, ElizabethEdwards |
thecai |
Apr-27-05 12:37 AM |
#213 |
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yes you are so right..but it is difficult when |
flyarm |
Apr-27-05 12:46 AM |
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Thanks flyarm |
ElizabethEdwards |
Apr-27-05 07:18 AM |
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So sorry to bother you, but is there an email that I can |
merh |
Apr-27-05 10:54 AM |
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Elizabeth, you are clearly a terrific person and of a type who is the Soul |
tom_paine |
Apr-27-05 01:42 AM |
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I will be harsh about what she says and does, not about her illness |
ElizabethEdwards |
Apr-27-05 07:45 AM |
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And it's a good point. |
Misunderestimator |
Apr-27-05 08:11 AM |
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Elizabeth: Senator Edwards and you are such an inspiration! |
ultraist |
Apr-27-05 08:41 AM |
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If only our voices had a conduit to be heard. |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Apr-27-05 08:41 AM |
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And it is a good point that I will not try to argue, Mrs. Edwards |
tom_paine |
Apr-27-05 01:47 PM |
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Having lost too many members of my family to cancer |
merh |
Apr-27-05 02:32 AM |
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PLEASE, everyone!! |
DARE to HOPE |
Apr-27-05 09:30 AM |
#259 |
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Where do I find coconut oil? |
merh |
Apr-27-05 09:35 AM |
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thanks Elizabeth - very well put! We're thinking of and praying |
skylarmae |
Apr-27-05 07:31 AM |
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You are truly a gracious lady, Mrs. Edwards |
Modem Butterfly |
Apr-27-05 07:35 AM |
#240 |
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To paraphrase he that shall not be named... |
liberalpress |
Apr-27-05 07:42 AM |
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Thanks so much for providing a positive example |
Veganistan |
Apr-27-05 08:09 AM |
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Thank you for this. |
SmokingJacket |
Apr-27-05 09:01 AM |
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Hi, Elizabeth! |
Midlodemocrat |
Apr-27-05 10:40 AM |
#264 |
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Yes we will pray for you and her, and for her enlightenment! We all hope |
BamaBecky |
Apr-27-05 02:14 PM |
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She Probably Gave it to Herself...All that Hate, Lies, Anger... |
Ex_Catholic |
Apr-27-05 06:58 AM |
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No |
Hong Kong Cavalier |
Apr-26-05 09:52 AM |
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Sorry to hear that, of course I wish her all God-speed in her... |
whistle |
Apr-26-05 09:54 AM |
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God Must... |
jayfish |
Apr-26-05 09:54 AM |
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Yeah? So why did He punish me, or my |
babylonsister |
Apr-26-05 09:56 AM |
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I may be wrong, but I think Jayfish was satirizing the |
Bouncy Ball |
Apr-26-05 09:58 AM |
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You Are Correct. -NT- |
jayfish |
Apr-26-05 10:16 AM |
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Then add a goddam sarcasm disclaimer. |
Lars39 |
Apr-26-05 10:19 AM |
#40 |
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Umm... |
jayfish |
Apr-26-05 10:22 AM |
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Apr-26-05 10:25 AM |
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OK, I'll Take That Into Consideration. |
jayfish |
Apr-26-05 10:40 AM |
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I Think It Was Pretty Obvious |
ProfessorGAC |
Apr-26-05 09:15 PM |
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No, it was not obvious, he should have used a sarcasm tag. |
Lars39 |
Apr-26-05 09:33 PM |
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A Complete Non-Sequitur |
ProfessorGAC |
Apr-26-05 09:43 PM |
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Perhaps the sarcasm was apparent to you because you |
Lars39 |
Apr-26-05 09:48 PM |
#174 |
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It's Been Pointed Out For You, Several Times,... |
jayfish |
Apr-26-05 09:55 PM |
#176 |
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It may be hard for you to believe, but yes, there are women |
Lars39 |
Apr-26-05 10:05 PM |
#180 |
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Oh. I Believe It. |
jayfish |
Apr-26-05 10:13 PM |
#184 |
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I understand. |
Lars39 |
Apr-26-05 11:20 PM |
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So, You Came Around |
ProfessorGAC |
Apr-27-05 04:41 AM |
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You've made your point. And managed to pat me on the head, too. |
Lars39 |
Apr-27-05 09:01 AM |
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I got it .. |
zidzi |
Apr-26-05 07:14 PM |
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When I was diagnosed with breast cancer, |
Contrary1 |
Apr-27-05 10:55 AM |
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That's a really shitty thing to say. |
Lars39 |
Apr-26-05 09:57 AM |
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Um ... it was sarcasm. |
Oregonian |
Apr-26-05 10:15 AM |
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Well, it's too bad that |
Oregonian |
Apr-26-05 10:16 AM |
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Insulting! |
Dorian Gray |
Apr-26-05 11:03 AM |
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Then Hit The Alert Button! -NT- |
jayfish |
Apr-26-05 11:06 AM |
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Are you aware there's a sarcasm smilie? |
Notorious Bohemian |
Apr-26-05 12:16 PM |
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Dorian, do you not see what the poster was doing? |
Oregonian |
Apr-26-05 12:39 PM |
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I'm sure that in her case it's because of all the hate she carries.... |
TheDebbieDee |
Apr-26-05 09:55 AM |
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intended or not that's hilarious! |
Pissed_Progressive |
Apr-26-05 09:13 PM |
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Who? |
Bouncy Ball |
Apr-26-05 09:56 AM |
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One of the RW Blonde Brigade |
comsymp |
Apr-26-05 09:58 AM |
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She's another Ann Coulter |
Marnieworld |
Apr-26-05 10:00 AM |
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Yeah...I don't know who started this thread |
LibInTexas |
Apr-27-05 01:12 AM |
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Laura Ingraham is one of the Right Wing Blather Brigade |
jmowreader |
Apr-26-05 10:10 AM |
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LOL, that's STUPID. |
Bouncy Ball |
Apr-26-05 11:01 AM |
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I'm sure she'll get the best care possible..the kind her and others like |
Solly Mack |
Apr-26-05 09:56 AM |
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Once again, you and I are thinking alike Solly |
dolo amber |
Apr-27-05 07:13 AM |
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Maybe she'll come out of this a little more compassionate |
Solly Mack |
Apr-27-05 07:25 AM |
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I wish her a speedy and full recovery. |
Tandalayo_Scheisskopf |
Apr-26-05 09:58 AM |
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Amen. But I think she's morally blind and deaf. |
Straight Shooter |
Apr-26-05 10:20 AM |
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Me too, but I hope she goes bankrupt |
warrens |
Apr-26-05 11:46 AM |
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That really is bad. |
tnlefty |
Apr-26-05 09:59 AM |
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I wish her well and hope for a fast recovery |
GloriaSmith |
Apr-26-05 10:02 AM |
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Ummm....no prayers. She doesn't excite MY pity. n/t |
lulu in NC |
Apr-26-05 10:03 AM |
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It could be from an environmental carcinogen some polluter(s) released. |
BlueEyedSon |
Apr-26-05 10:04 AM |
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Yes, that she essentially invalidates thereby promoting on her show. |
shance |
Apr-26-05 11:36 AM |
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The dichotomy of life.. |
liberalpress |
Apr-27-05 07:56 AM |
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maybe this will help her to show more compassion to others |
goodboy |
Apr-26-05 10:05 AM |
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My Great Aunt had breast cancer and had to have her breast cut off. |
demgurl |
Apr-26-05 10:06 AM |
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I empathize with your post...my main issue with the Laura Ingraham's |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Apr-26-05 10:26 AM |
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And the worst part about it is... |
all_hail_gwb |
Apr-26-05 09:37 PM |
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I've never listened to her show |
Politicub |
Apr-26-05 10:06 AM |
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Interesting post |
notsodumbhillbilly |
Apr-26-05 10:09 AM |
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That was exactly my very first thought |
CottonBear |
Apr-27-05 07:58 AM |
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She had an abortion? |
CornField |
Apr-26-05 10:10 AM |
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Karma? |
katmondoo |
Apr-26-05 10:11 AM |
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So any woman with breast cancer is being punished for something? |
Lars39 |
Apr-26-05 10:23 AM |
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No |
CO Liberal |
Apr-26-05 12:09 PM |
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If she's been promoting that crap I have ZERO sympathy for her. |
Lars39 |
Apr-26-05 10:18 AM |
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further proof that hate metastasizes |
ooglymoogly |
Apr-26-05 10:11 AM |
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So--only evil people get cancer? |
Bridget Burke |
Apr-26-05 10:16 AM |
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odd deduction |
ooglymoogly |
Apr-26-05 10:22 AM |
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What Is It With Folks In This Thread? |
ProfessorGAC |
Apr-26-05 09:19 PM |
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I can't believe the shit I am reading here. |
Lars39 |
Apr-26-05 10:27 AM |
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One of our DU members announced he had cancer... |
TXlib |
Apr-26-05 10:38 AM |
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Had the DU member had a national stage to promote |
Lars39 |
Apr-26-05 10:48 AM |
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I don't understand... |
TXlib |
Apr-26-05 11:09 AM |
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We're Not Commenting on Cancer Patients in General |
CO Liberal |
Apr-26-05 12:22 PM |
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Yes conservatives are very compassionate |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Apr-26-05 10:51 AM |
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There were more positive comments than negative |
TXlib |
Apr-26-05 11:08 AM |
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They have a forum dedicated to harrassing this forum |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Apr-26-05 11:20 AM |
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Actually |
TXlib |
Apr-26-05 11:33 AM |
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They're idiots |
alarcoeg |
Apr-26-05 03:28 PM |
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Proof that they're idiots |
alarcoeg |
Apr-26-05 10:25 PM |
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They're STILL around??? |
Fighting Irish |
Apr-26-05 10:01 PM |
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And many renege on that sentiment...and become downright disgusting |
MrsGrumpy |
Apr-26-05 09:43 PM |
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hey there |
TXlib |
Apr-27-05 12:01 AM |
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Why can't you? These comments on DU are absolutely |
ArkDem |
Apr-26-05 11:04 AM |
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There are many others |
bushwentawol |
Apr-26-05 10:13 AM |
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WHile I have never met LI.. |
liberalpress |
Apr-27-05 08:13 AM |
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I wish her speedy recovery |
alarcoeg |
Apr-26-05 10:14 AM |
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not to worry, unlike many Americans, she will get the best medical care |
AmandaRuth |
Apr-26-05 10:17 AM |
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Excellent point |
stanwyck |
Apr-26-05 10:46 AM |
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I know someone w/breast cancer. Surprised her something fierce |
Roland99 |
Apr-26-05 10:17 AM |
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I hope that she can overcome this. |
cat_girl25 |
Apr-26-05 10:18 AM |
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I wish her a full and speedy recovery. |
LizW |
Apr-26-05 10:19 AM |
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I hope she recovers |
Walt Starr |
Apr-26-05 10:20 AM |
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I'm glad she is admonishing women to have medical exams to head this |
Montauk6 |
Apr-26-05 10:25 AM |
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My Wife Was Recently Diagnosed Too. |
maxrandb |
Apr-26-05 10:25 AM |
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Best wishes for your wife's successful and complete |
notsodumbhillbilly |
Apr-26-05 10:27 AM |
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maxrandb |
Lars39 |
Apr-26-05 10:33 AM |
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Best Wishes and Prayers to You too |
maxrandb |
Apr-26-05 10:42 AM |
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I didn't want people around because I was afraid of the flu. |
Lars39 |
Apr-26-05 10:54 AM |
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Don't let her hide out at home all the time... |
ms liberty |
Apr-27-05 10:08 AM |
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You are so right |
qanda |
Apr-26-05 02:11 PM |
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Praying for you and your wife |
Demgirl |
Apr-26-05 09:33 PM |
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I had a mastectomy in Aug 1997 at the age of 38 and then chemo: |
ms liberty |
Apr-27-05 09:18 AM |
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Laura's going to be just fine. |
Norquist Nemesis |
Apr-26-05 10:29 AM |
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I'm Not Surprised |
CO Liberal |
Apr-26-05 10:30 AM |
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So by that standard, any woman that has breast cancer |
Lars39 |
Apr-26-05 10:37 AM |
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No, Not By a Long Shot |
CO Liberal |
Apr-26-05 11:35 AM |
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No---people are making broad-brush statements concerning |
Lars39 |
Apr-26-05 12:47 PM |
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I'll be praying for her. |
TheOriginalAmerican |
Apr-26-05 10:33 AM |
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Well, I hope she gets better. |
Arkana |
Apr-26-05 10:38 AM |
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Can't stand her, but hope she recovers soon |
sparosnare |
Apr-26-05 10:39 AM |
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And below that, the deception continues |
Montauk6 |
Apr-26-05 10:42 AM |
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Exactly |
Cats Against Frist |
Apr-26-05 12:20 PM |
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I pray she wins over this disease & that the struggle helps |
Rainbowreflect |
Apr-26-05 10:44 AM |
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I second that emotion. Seen too many friends and relatives struggle |
lectrobyte |
Apr-26-05 10:49 AM |
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I don't wish this disease on anyone... |
calipendence |
Apr-26-05 09:11 PM |
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I hope she gets better, but I hope her career is ruined by this... |
Dawgs |
Apr-26-05 11:04 AM |
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I really hate to hear that |
ginbarn |
Apr-26-05 11:10 AM |
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another one of these threads............ |
SheepyMcSheepster |
Apr-26-05 11:16 AM |
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Cancer |
Oldpals |
Apr-26-05 03:51 PM |
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Save Your Prayers-Only Atwater has died. |
GalleryGod |
Apr-26-05 11:25 AM |
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It may not change her mind, but here is what I am doing...... |
demgurl |
Apr-26-05 11:36 AM |
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I agree--we need to demonstrate that we firmly disagree with their/her |
rodeodance |
Apr-26-05 11:51 AM |
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She has been a very strong advocate for the tobacco industry |
Toots |
Apr-26-05 11:37 AM |
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I do not like her, but I wish her well. nt |
blueblitzkrieg |
Apr-26-05 11:40 AM |
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Go To Her Web Site and DU Her Poll |
CO Liberal |
Apr-26-05 11:41 AM |
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The Bio on her Web Site Tells You All you Need to Know About Laura |
CO Liberal |
Apr-26-05 11:46 AM |
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her poll is at 68% Dems are winning the PR (done slightly from a few days |
rodeodance |
Apr-26-05 11:55 AM |
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Apr-26-05 11:58 AM |
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What is it now: One in six, seven, or eight women |
Notorious Bohemian |
Apr-26-05 11:58 AM |
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Apr-27-05 12:59 PM |
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Apr-27-05 01:33 PM |
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I wish her all the best in this difficult time. My views are 100% opposite |
KrazyKat |
Apr-26-05 12:13 PM |
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Oh. |
ronnykmarshall |
Apr-26-05 12:19 PM |
#103 |
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Why should I care? |
RetroLounge |
Apr-26-05 12:19 PM |
#104 |
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May she have healing, in all respects. |
CBHagman |
Apr-26-05 12:19 PM |
#105 |
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If he's anything like Newt Gingrich |
Wright Patman |
Apr-26-05 02:23 PM |
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I hope this will help her to learn a little compassion towards others |
Beaverhausen |
Apr-26-05 12:23 PM |
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It Looks Like She Learned All She Knows About Compassion... |
CO Liberal |
Apr-26-05 12:38 PM |
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I hope it reminds women to get checked out/prayers for her |
noonwitch |
Apr-26-05 12:37 PM |
#109 |
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no prayers, but I'll meditate on Darwin for her |
doubleplusgood |
Apr-26-05 12:56 PM |
#113 |
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Hope she gets the care her party would deny most of us. |
BiggJawn |
Apr-26-05 01:00 PM |
#114 |
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wish and info |
korak |
Apr-26-05 02:01 PM |
#116 |
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No ill wished here |
qanda |
Apr-26-05 02:07 PM |
#117 |
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I hope she gets the same quality health care |
ComerPerro |
Apr-26-05 02:08 PM |
#118 |
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Why are you posting this? |
MyPetRock |
Apr-26-05 02:13 PM |
#120 |
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That's uncalled for. |
TheOriginalAmerican |
Apr-26-05 02:16 PM |
#122 |
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Why is it uncalled for? He linked to her website. |
MyPetRock |
Apr-26-05 02:27 PM |
#127 |
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Being too careful does not mean...... |
TheOriginalAmerican |
Apr-26-05 10:41 PM |
#193 |
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Then my post would be deleted. |
MyPetRock |
Apr-27-05 01:53 PM |
#286 |
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A newcomer's take |
Ron Mexico |
Apr-26-05 02:15 PM |
#121 |
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Welcome... |
democracyindanger |
Apr-26-05 02:20 PM |
#124 |
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Sorry, Ron2 :)))) |
Ron Mexico |
Apr-26-05 02:35 PM |
#132 |
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I didn't shed a tear for Barbara Olsen |
democracyindanger |
Apr-26-05 02:22 PM |
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come on now, stop that |
Skittles |
Apr-26-05 02:32 PM |
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Apr-26-05 02:40 PM |
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I wish she would call on Benny Hinn and other right wing |
BringEmOn |
Apr-26-05 02:33 PM |
#130 |
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May she live so I can oppose her views longer |
proud patriot |
Apr-26-05 02:34 PM |
#131 |
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No. Can't do it. n/t |
in_cog_ni_to |
Apr-26-05 02:42 PM |
#134 |
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Some of the things I've read here today make me very ashamed |
footinmouth |
Apr-26-05 03:28 PM |
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Me too |
lukasahero |
Apr-27-05 09:31 AM |
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I'll say a prayer for a sick person with no money... |
UdoKier |
Apr-26-05 03:29 PM |
#137 |
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well if that ain't a big old karma-bus |
MsTryska |
Apr-26-05 03:40 PM |
#138 |
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Will should have mentioned a lot of these responses |
antfarm |
Apr-26-05 03:40 PM |
#139 |
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I hope any people gloating over this get breast cancer. |
LoZoccolo |
Apr-26-05 04:02 PM |
#141 |
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Why pray? She's rich. She's conservative. She has health care. |
RandomKoolzip |
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Apr-26-05 06:36 PM |
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Apr-26-05 05:57 PM |
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MyPetRock |
Apr-26-05 06:38 PM |
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How About This For A Direct Quote? |
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Apr-26-05 09:20 PM |
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OMG. Karma. |
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Apr-26-05 09:45 PM |
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If You Didn't Read It... |
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Apr-26-05 09:56 PM |
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Apr-27-05 09:25 AM |
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in_cog_ni_to |
Apr-26-05 09:47 PM |
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Do you not realize? |
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Apr-26-05 10:45 PM |
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Do you realize how absurd that sounds? |
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Apr-26-05 11:23 PM |
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in_cog_ni_to |
Apr-27-05 06:48 AM |
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Pretty Young For That Isn't She? |
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Apr-26-05 09:13 PM |
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Apr-26-05 09:17 PM |
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Jesus Saves |
Apr-26-05 09:17 PM |
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Apr-26-05 09:26 PM |
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Apr-26-05 09:30 PM |
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Apr-26-05 09:41 PM |
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Apr-26-05 09:47 PM |
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Apr-26-05 10:00 PM |
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Apr-26-05 09:48 PM |
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Apr-26-05 10:11 PM |
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Apr-26-05 10:20 PM |
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Apr-26-05 10:29 PM |
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TheOriginalAmerican |
Apr-26-05 10:45 PM |
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Apr-26-05 10:29 PM |
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Apr-26-05 10:32 PM |
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Apr-26-05 10:32 PM |
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Apr-26-05 10:35 PM |
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Apr-26-05 11:02 PM |
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Apr-26-05 11:14 PM |
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Apr-26-05 11:25 PM |
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Apr-27-05 01:32 AM |
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Apr-26-05 10:43 PM |
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"Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" |
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Apr-26-05 10:51 PM |
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Apr-26-05 11:08 PM |
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Apr-26-05 11:11 PM |
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Apr-26-05 11:23 PM |
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Apr-27-05 12:24 AM |
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Apr-27-05 12:25 AM |
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Apr-27-05 01:25 AM |
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Apr-27-05 02:20 AM |
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Apr-27-05 02:33 AM |
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Apr-27-05 03:53 AM |
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Apr-27-05 04:33 AM |
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Apr-27-05 05:32 AM |
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Apr-27-05 06:23 AM |
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Apr-27-05 06:30 AM |
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Apr-27-05 06:47 AM |
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Apr-27-05 06:52 AM |
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Apr-27-05 08:04 AM |
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Apr-27-05 10:38 AM |
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Apr-27-05 06:25 AM |
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Apr-27-05 07:36 AM |
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Apr-27-05 07:36 AM |
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Apr-27-05 08:09 AM |
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Apr-27-05 11:02 AM |
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Apr-27-05 10:47 AM |
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Apr-27-05 10:54 AM |
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Apr-27-05 10:57 AM |
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Apr-27-05 10:47 AM |
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Apr-27-05 10:49 AM |
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Flamebait Accomplished! |
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Apr-27-05 10:52 AM |
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Apr-27-05 11:14 AM |
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Apr-27-05 11:04 AM |
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Apr-27-05 11:19 AM |
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Apr-27-05 10:52 AM |
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Apr-27-05 11:09 AM |
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Breast cancer does not discriminate |
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Apr-27-05 11:31 AM |
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If prayer worked.... |
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Apr-27-05 11:47 AM |
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I have been a Democrat for a long time, and part of the Democratic principles that attracted me as a young person and kept me a Democrat all these years is our compassion. Democrats are simply good and decent people. And good and decent people want everyone to do well -- those who agree with them and those who do not. We fight for the right of voices with which we disagree to speak out, for the right of people to say things we don't believe to be true, even for the right to be malicious and mean-spirited. If we fight for the right for LI to say what she says, how in the world can we use our disagreement with those words as an excuse not to be compassionate in her fight with cancer. Being willing to have her voice muted by illness is the same thing as not wanting her voice to be heard. It is not Democratic or democratic.
I hope others will join me in wishing her Godspeed in this fight, for the easiest road that she can have, and even for the development of compassion about others who have faced hardship and disease without the support network she -- and I -- have. As I go through treatment for this same disease, I think often about the women who fight breast cancer without health insurance, without a supportive husband, with a physically demanding job that doesn't know or doesn't care that she is exhausted and weak and aching, with children but no child care. I find it absolutely impossible that LI won't also have those thoughts run through her head or that she won't rethink her position on health care or the social safety net. Pray for her health AND her enlightenment, if you must. But pray, with me, for her good health.
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What a really thoughtful post. It is true that we can succumb to the hatred doled out by the other side, and boy is it tempting some time, or we can hold firm. And you are exactly right that sometimes we confuse that holding firm with being weak and that spitting hatred back with being strong . . . when exactly the opposite is true. You have my admiration.
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we know so many others who are without..and face death because they can get no care..or children who have no care for terrible illnesses..
but it is incombant on all of us that do have.. to help those that don't.. andy stephenson is a perfect example..and the good lord has provided for me..and my hubby works for a wonderful man who owns the baltimore orioles who has helped andy get into johns hopkins for his pancreatic cancer .there was no hesitation when i called him and asked for help for andy...no hesitation whatsoever!
this is what those of us who have must do..we must help those who need the help..with no hesitiation!
I do hope laura is a survivor, but i also hope she looks hard in the mirror and realizes others are not so lucky as she , that others can not get the care..and i hope she learns to reach out to others with a hand of hope and that she learns respect for others not as lucky as she! I hope she realizes how many children in Iraq will get horrible cancers from the depleted uranium and napalm she cheered on.. and that our children in uniform face horrible diseases from the chemicals they have been exposed to in this lie of a war she helped promote..and felt little sympathy as their benefits were slashed..
I do pray for her to live a long healthy life , and that she uses that life she has to promote care and human kindess for once in her life! Sometimes we need a second chance to make amends for mistakes we make... Her propaganda was responsible in part or parcel for the deaths of many of our troops..no she was not alone in that propaganda..but she now has an opportunity to make amends for those who lost their lives with the help of her lies. They never got a second chance. i pray she uses that second chance wisely.
and .........Elizabeth i pray for you all the time..you are a kind wise woman.. i met you numerous times..and your parents!! I was a delegate from pinellas co fla...and i spoke with you for quite a while at the fla breakfast in Boston!! And i was in charge of the vip section and seated your folks when John came and spoke for a rally in St Pete.i was also in charge of the vip section when John was announced as vp candidate...i live in Sand Key..
I housed the Kerry field rep for pinellas for 1/2 the year!!
Now you get well!! We need women like you ..you are an incredible lady who i respect for your integrity and your kindness, and your intelligence!!
my prayers to you..and to Laura...
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You wrote "i . . . seated your folks when John came and spoke for a rally in St Pete". Thanks so much for that. It was the only rally my Dad got to see in person, because as you could tell, he is not too mobile. But he sure had his electric scooter decked out for Kerry-Edwards!
And thanks for the smrt thing you said about hoping LI uses her second chance wisely. Hope she sees it that way, too.
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of the Democratic Party.
But what we Democrats need now, as we face the greatest threat to the Constitution of the United States since the Civil War (perhaps EVER, when viewed from the angle of Caesar Bush crossing the Rubicon), are some Hard and Tough and MEAN Warriors.
And that, by necessity, requires hardening of the heart. It might not be right but if the choice is hard heart to insure restoration of Free America, then I will choose Hard Heart every time.
And no disrespect to your kindness and decency, but when have these Bushevik Monsters EVER shown us anything of the sort?
Maybe it was when they used the Wellstone Funeral as grotesque political tool in 2002. Maybe it was when Rush called Chelsea Clinton the White House Dog. Maybe it was when the Busheviks sent their Paid Operatives to stop the 2000 Miami vote count and beat up a Demoratic Vote Counter.
(and, Dear God, where were OUR people, OUR fighters then? Little did we realize that 2000 may well have been the LAST chance we will ever have for an even semi-trustworthy vote-count at the National Level)
You may be able to retain your good will towards these monsters. I cannot.
I will not.
But thank you for being who you are and saying what you say. Because if the Warriors are ever able to restore the Old American Republic, we will need the Soul of the Democratic Party to remind us what we were saving in the first place. For Hardening of the Heart, once done, is not so easy to undo.
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Listen, I have no problem going after LI for the things she says, the ugly, hateful, untrue things she has said day in and day out. We should do that. We should confront, object, and expose in the loudest voices we have. But we lose our credibility as advocates for decency and truth if we say hateful things about her vulnerability to a disease. And we sacrifice what we are and become what they are. That's my point.
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Firstly, welcome to DU, Elizabeth! I admire you tremendously, and was blown away with your intelligence, humor and humanity that you displayed during a town hall meeting in PA that I had the privilege of viewing on C-Span (which you are already bringing here to DU, thank you). Unfortunately, it was covered on C-Span and not on mainstream media which is truly the only venue that reaches the masses when it comes to challenging the mistruths and propoganda spewed by Laura Ingrams and others. I think that's where the frustration lies in the posts that actually wish Ingram harm. Years of frustration of not being heard, years of frustration knowing that our country has been sold to the highest bidders with mainstream media walking in lockstep with them. Personally, I wish the best for Ingram as I do for everyone, with the hope that one day they will see the light. BTW... a perfect example of mainstreams complicity (CNN in this case) is displayed to the tee in this segment on the Daily Show. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Let me again echo what others have said: that you are the kind of person who makes me proud to be a Democrat.
But for myself, I have no compassion left for LI nor any of them. I can no more pray for them than I could have prayed for the health of Leonid Brenzhnev, Ferdinand Marcos, or Augusto Pinochet.
Your point is a good one, but I do wonder what meaning the word "credibility" has in the Bush-Occupied America, where one side can lie with impunity while we cannot even tell the factually demonstrable truth anymore and not escape being labelled "liars" and "flip-floppers".
I do hope and pray that your way is the way, and that I am mistaken in all things about the course of the future of our Beautiful Nation.
But I cannot in good conscience pray for the health of someone who has abetted UnAmerican Totalitarianism with all of her heart.
David Brock, in his book "Blinded by the Right", alleges that a drunken Ingraham crawled up to him in a nightclub one night to confess that she didn't believe a thing she said on TV or in the papers.
If true, that only compunds her moral bankruptcy, her disgraceful conduct.
In either case, I don't wish her ill, but I can NOT wish her well, either.
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and having watched others battle the disease to remission, how could I not join you in praying for her health and her recovery. I would not wish that my worst enemy should have to battle this or any disease. Love to you and yours! You are in my prayers and not just because of the disease. Your family is very special and have many battles a head of you. Continue to be strong and always remember, with faith and love, all things are possible. I proudly join you in the prayers for LI's health and enlightenment.  merh
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PLEASE look into COCONUT OIL.
I know it sounds NUTS. But cancer is not found in cultures where coconut oil is used in place of the unsaturated corn and soy and canola oils that we use. It turns out that these are implicated not only in cancer, but heart disease et al. Of course, you have to cook at home from scratch to avoid these oils. Or order baked and boiled, and bring your own coconut oil with you. Goes well on baked potato.
Causes weight loss, too. And healing on many levels, including the scars from breast surgery. Just put "coconut health" into Google, or look up the healing properties of medium chain fatty acids in the NIH files.
God lead you all.
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Do I drink it, cook everything with it or what. I so appreciate the advice, but I could use some directions. I do love coconut cakes and chocolate covered coconut! When I was a child, on the rare occassion they had coconuts in the grocery store, I would beg my parents to buy me one. It was fun to drain it, watch daddy break it open and eat the crunchy delight. Please share more, I am all ears and eyes. Thanks for your post, it brought back some warm and fuzzy memories. A belated welcome to DU! 
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..."Ditto." Sometimes in the fight for the people over the corporations, we forget that as Democrats our strength is that "we" are not "them."
I too will pray for her recovery, because the God I profess to serve instructs me to love my enemies.
Hate and vitriol are not conducive to good health. Love and forgiveness are. Perhaps she'll realize that. Perhaps she won't. Either way, my prayers are with her.
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to the people on this board who could use some examination of their own hearts when they call others heartless. Thanks for showing some of the more impulsive among us that class still exists, it's still important, and what it looks like.
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, thanks for providing such a positive example to the million of women who have faced, are facing or will face this fight in our lives.
This disease has touched our family, and we will continue to pray for all who are confronted with this challenge.
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right. Whenever something bad happens to someone on the left, or a gay person, they say "well God must be punishing them."
Remember right after 9/11, some televangelist (Falwell?) said that it was a punishment for all the gays and lesbians, etc?
Anyway, if that was what Jayfish was doing, might need a /sarcasm off tag.
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Walk a mile in my shoes. I've got breast cancer. I am guilty of being defensive and protective of others and myself with this condition. Even after pointing out that some women have been told that getting breast cancer is somehow their fault, some people(mostly males) brush it off. "Being emotional". Bah.
And for the record, I've seen all sorts of callousness at DU; why should this be any different.
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one of the 1st things a co-worker said to me was, "What did you do to deserve that?". Since he was quoting the bible all the time, I knew what he meant.
My answer was then, as it is now. Nothing.
Good luck in your fight, babylonsister.
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How many people with cancer do I know? And God's punishing them? Please.
I hope she gets better. I hate to see anyone suffer, and it's frightening.
Saying God's punishing her is just insulting on so many levels. Horrible. I may vehemently disagree with her opinions, but I don't wish cancer or death on her. (Or anyone.)
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but, you know, it is like Coulter getting sick.
You want me to pray for her? Yech. How about you want me to pray for Hitler? No, not going to do it. No, not Stalin either.
How about you want me to pray for Osama Bin Ladin? Not probably going to happen.
Rush Limbaugh? Hannity? Medvid (Medvidiot)? O'Really? Rupert? The Bush family? Naw....
My best is going for Andy.
And so should yours.
Welcome to DU anyway.
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She's got a radio show and writes books.
One of her more infamous ones was "Shut Up and Sing," a tome that advanced the concept that liberal entertainers should keep their political views to themselves.
I can't understand why someone hasn't written "Shut Up and Sing Badly," a tome that advances the concept that conservative entertainers should keep THEIR political views to themselves.
Or better, title it "Shut Up and...no, just shut up."
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I hope that while she is involved in her course of care, that she gets to know some of the "little people" who are around her: care givers, doctors and patients walking the same path. I hope she listens to their stories. I hope she really listens. I hope she learns something about the effect of diseases, like this, on the financial lives of families and individuals all across America.
Then, I hope that leads to her waking up. Just a little would be a great thing, in and of itself.
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Edited on Tue Apr-26-05 11:46 AM by shance
I will save my compassion for those who truly try and bring good into the world and I will support social darwinism and justice for those that promote those same principles on others less fortunate, like Laura Ingraham has promoted on her show, promoting misinformation, demonization and exclusion of those who do not support the misguided and dishonest policies of this administration.
These individuals promote hate and/or bring harm to others by their dishonesty and harmful actions and words. Yet they want mercy when something happens to them. My compassion and/or mercy will be saved for those who deserve it.
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I still remember sitting on her bed and watching her dress. I remember that empty space on one side and a full breast on the other. I have always feared this would happen to me.
I remember volunteering at a children's hospital when I was a teen. There was a young boy who was maybe three. Hos parents explained that he came there for chemo treatments and they were so glad he was young because he did not understand what was happening and he was so resilient. He had the most beautiful long black curly hair. I saw them on a regular basis and was quite sad when his beautiful hair went away. I was happy that treatments worked.
I recall how, as a teenager, my best friend's father was diagnosed with cancer. He was given chemo and it had quite an effect. At one point he was leaning over a toilet, to get sick, and he broke a rib! I recall how my friend's mom was weak and not able to handle all of this. My friend had to do everything from clean up after her father getting sick, to dressing him, to cleaning him after he had to use the toilet! Quite a job for someone who is 17.
No matter what who gets this ugly disease, I would not wish it on anyone. If it helps people have more compassion, think of Laura's Mom holding back her hair as she leans over the toilet to get sick. Think of her friends and the toll it will take on them. A person does not stand alone, they are connected to the rest of the world. We are all connected in some way. You may not like her or her ideals. There are people who are close to her who will be put through an emotional hell because of this. I wish it on no one. I hope for the best.
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Edited on Tue Apr-26-05 10:58 AM by nothingshocksmeanymo
of the world is that they will be able to afford their treatment...take time off of work until they recover without losing their home or any other worldly possession...but thanks to the policies they have promoted and their hatred for the sick, infirm, disabled and weakest members of society, a diagnosis of illness in America still comes with some HEFTY financial worries.
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.. when these people with little to no insurance are trying to recover, think positively, and gain strength, they are brought down by the thoughts of how they are going to pay bills, afford treatment, and stay on top of bills, etc.. that they have to neglect while not working for a short time.
To me, the hardest part of the recovery process would be to keep happy, positive thoughts in order to heal onesself. Very difficult when you have to worry about your day to day struggles as many Americans do.
Laura will get better and during the process, she will be looking for a pity party, and seem nice, good willed, charitable, etc.. but when she knows she's in the clear, it will be with the same hate and vitriol as we've come to expect from her.
If we are expecting a Lee Atwater moment from her, we can forget it.
On another note, did you see the smug prick Tony Snow on O'Liely the other nite? That asshole is hanging in there and doesn't seem to be missing a beat in maintaining his role as a GOP propagandist in lieu of his recent diagnosis.
Good luck to ya Laura.
Godspeed.. yeah, whatever!
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when I saw an unfamiliar poster with a low post count. The way the post was phrased was suspect. We've all seen it before. I'm not sure what the poster was really thinking or intending but I'm sure they didn't expect such a thoughtful, passionate and in-depth discussion or, much less, that Elizabeth Edwards herself would weigh in on the matter!
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Isn't it Laura Ingraham who spreads that line of bull? "There's a link between women who have abortions and those who contract breast cancer."
Or maybe she's one of the women who refused to breast feed. According to many on RW radio, this also causes breast cancer.
Not only do I pray that she'll beat this completely, I also pray that the battle will somehow open her eyes to the filth she has expounded over the years.
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Edited on Tue Apr-26-05 11:14 AM by TXlib
I haven't counted, but I would hope there are more positive than negative on this one, too.
Still, one sentiment they often express I firmly agree with: Some things can and should transcend politics. You should never be so consumed with politics you lose sight of your human compassion.
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their pretentious humanity is surpassed only by their desire to disrupt this forum. Yeah...every once in a while they demonstrate some respect..what do they want? A medal? Still, one sentiment they often express I firmly agree with: Some things can and should transcend politics. You should never be so consumed with politics you lose sight of your human compassion.YEs...I noticed...one of the people who I HELPED when he was concerned for his own son's welfare during the fires here in So Cal decided to demonstrate some humanity....of course, after I demonstrated some he chose to slander me...what a big hearted guy he is 
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I'm sure they're having their laugh at this thread....
sarcasm
and we really, really should try to moderate what we write so that they will have respect for us as human beings.
/sarcasm
Seriously, though, they have the acumen of a paper bag, and the manners of a spoiled child (go look up "acumen," freepers!)
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Edited on Tue Apr-26-05 10:02 PM by Fighting Irish
Haven't even seen their pitiful site in months. It just got pretty boring, even when I was trolling there with several accounts trying to stir up flame wars. Worked pretty well. Those clowns are pretty thin-skinned.
As far as Ms. Ingraham is concerned, I caught what loosely passes for a radio entertainment show once. It was snotty and mean-spirited, and brushed off that nonsense as yet another attempt at jumping on the conservative blabfest bandwagon. Nothing really compelling or interesting. I have no feeling either way as far as compassion or 'just desserts'. I don't really care about her at all. However, I don't wish breast cancer on anyone. Except for Ann Coulter, but she doesn't have any breasts. (BA DUM BUMP!)
(NOTE: The last line was pure sarcasm, ripe for cherry picking for loony wingnut message boards that have nothing better to do than obsess over DU.)
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... she at least sounds like she is an evil human, possibly heartless and most certainly insensitive.
That being said, she is still a human being, and therefore deserving of my prayers.
Upon her full recovery I fully expect her to return to her hate-filled vitriolic ways.
Do I expect my prayers will make a difference and affect her heart? Most probably not.
But my actions will certainly affect mine.
And I choose not to be ruled by hate.
Call me crazy...
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as I would any human being. That doesn't take away from what a mean-spirited human being she is.
Here's something I found weird on her website where she is thanking her support network, which includes:
a wonderful fiance (if he thinks he's going to get out of marrying me because of this little blib, he's sadly mistaken!)
Telling, perhaps? Didn't Newt leave his wife while she was seriously ill?
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as our American society continues to lose the middle class and becomes more economically polarized, too many people will have to choose between adequate healthcare and paying for food and shelter. I read yesterday that the CEO of Blockbuster made over 51 million last year...despite his company having lost billions. This is the America we've become. Poor performance equals huge benefits. And the middle-class and lower-class have to worry about catastrophic illness erasing their bank accounts while the super-rich continue to fix the system to augment their unearned excessive rewards. Laura has an illness plagueing thousands of American women. Fortunately for her, she doesn't have to endure the fear of losing her family's financial assets.
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Had a mastectomy in March and just had her first chemo treatment. Believe me, this is devastating medically and emotionally.
No matter what her political stripes, we in the "true" party of faith can find it in our hearts to wish her well, and pray for her family.
PS: We need a Breast Cancer Group on DU. I have at many times wanted to talk to someone who has gone through this. It really is a terrible thing, especially since we have two teenage daughters that now may also have this albatross around their necks.
It is just devastating, and she deserves our sympathy.
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Can I ask you something. Do you ever not want anyone around? My wifes father and step-mom, plus my mom have offered to come and help us out while she goes through chemo.
My wife loves her family, but she doesn't want them to see her lose her hair, or be sick. I just can't wrap my arms around that. I try to understand, but I don't why she would not want the help.
I'm very supportive, and if she doesn't want them here, then they aren't coming, but did you ever feel the same? That you didn't want people to see you when you were sick?
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avoiding everyone who loves her. I always thought my hair was my best feature, so the week it was due to start falling out, I cut it really short. It made it easier to take when it started sliding down (in big horrifying handfuls) my back in the shower! I'd always loved hats but never had the nerve to wear them out of the house, so I used it as an opportunity to learn how to wear them with confidence. I bought and was given pretty scarves in my favorite colors. Take her hat and scarf shopping now if she hasn't started losing her hair yet, that way she'll have them when it does. I bought a wig, but I only wore it twice. It was too scratchy and uncomfortable for me. But take her wig shopping too, if she wants one. Your insurance might even pay for it. I don't know what her chemo cocktail is, but she may not be very sick. The doctors will give her anti nausea meds, but watch out for them. In my case they caused some side effects that were really unpleasant (headaches and constipation that even prune juice could'nt cure). And I was still nauseous all the time. Finally I just quit them and went the natural way of the ganja. That's what I recommend, since it also helps with appetite. In my case it also helped with my mood. It's kind of hard to be depressed when you're laughing, and laughter is good for your immune system. There were times that I wanted to be alone, and I was. And I didn't want people staying at my house doing everything like I was an invalid. That may be where she's coming from on that subject.
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I only went through thinking that I may have breast cancer, a biopsy proved that wasn't the case, but even that was devastating. I cannot imagine what you and your wife are going through. I don't care what her politics are, she is still a human being and we should have enough sense not to piss on people while they're down.
Prayers and good wishes to you and your wife. May she be whole again soon.
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I'll join the DU support group... I'm a 6 year survivor, dia at age 44 with aggressive bc that didn't show up on a mammogram til late. Like many other women, I did everything right - ran 30 miles a wk, didnt smoke, breast fed, etc., etc. Two kids 12 and 8. When I got the news, my hubby started to faint. I was more worried about him than myself. We got through 12 months of very aggessive treatment 4 cycles of ACF, bilateral mastectomy, 4 cycles of Taxotere and 27 radiation treatments. I just got back from lobbying at the Statehouse to get Medicaid coverage for uninsured breast cancer patients. My marriage is stronger as a result of my cancer and my family (already close) is even closer. Here are some helpful hints and links for you as hubby: 1 Be quiet and listen. To her complaints, her stories, her fears, and her feelings. 2 Don't be a 24-7 cheerleader. Sure, in theory it's good to look on the bright side. But studies show that women who express all their emotions cope better with the stress of treatment. 3 Follow her lead. You can share your views about treatment options, but she's the boss. 4 Be her appointment pal. Unless she strenuously objects, go with her to doctor's appointments whenever possible. Ask how you can be most helpful: by keeping track of her questions, taking notes or taping the session, or just holding her hand. 5 Ask for a to-do list. That goes for household chores as well as cancer issues. 6 Don't be afraid to joke around. Laughing at cancer is one way to lessen the stress you're both feeling--as long as your wife doesn't take offense. 7 Take a break from cancer. Whenever possible, get out of the house--for an overnight trip, a dinner out, a movie. Or rent a DVD if your wife isn't up to an excursion. You'll both feel better. 8 Keep intimacy alive. Even if your wife's not in the mood for sex because of surgery, chemo, or radiation, she might love a back rub or a foot massage. 9 Flowers. They work wonders--something lovely in the midst of a not-so-lovely time. 10 Recharge your batteries. With your wife's OK, do something you enjoy--shoot hoops, ride a bike, play poker. 11 Find a confidant. Pour your heart out to a friend or call the Y-ME breast cancer hotline at (800) 221-2141. It has husbands on call. 12 Be prepared for a New Normal. After treatment, even if your wife seems OK, she may still be worried about recurrence or just not feeling herself. Show a little empathy. http://www.natlbcc.org / http://www.susanlovemd.com /
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I pray for you, your wife and your family. You will get thru this, and your family will be stronger for it. I don't have enough posts to PM you, but please PM me if you want to talk. I'd be happy to give you my phone number if I could help.
I also pray for LI, even though she is a partisan twit with more looks than sense.
ElizabethEdwards, I've also been praying for you. The last I had heard you were doing well and I hope that continues to be true. I'm so thrilled that you're a DU'er! Your husband was my Senator and I miss him terribly.
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She's probably booking a plane to Bangkok for treatment and she'll return with a whole new perspective.  I think it's sad for anyone to have to go through cancer. Her conservative propaganda isn't worth my time, but I realize she has friends and family who must be devistated by the news. Beyond that, I'll just say I hope everything works out for the best. 
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But when a person has that much hatred, it often manifests itself in physical ailments. For example, my first wife had so much hatred against me and resentment against society in general for the way she was treated for being a lesbian, she died of heart and kidney failure at age 46.
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I wish no ill on people, even if I do think their politics are disgusting. You all should be the same way, especially in light of the fact that people from the other side showed that same kindness to one of our own members just a few days ago. Really you all. This is disgusting.
I won't change my politics over this, but I think I will work toward reform toward the obvious hatred of some on the left. Of course, I do not mean this for those aren't showing hatred for her on here.
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Did you folks happen to notice this blurb underneath her plea for prayers? DEMOCRATS AND THE PARENT GAP: A new study published by the Progressive Policy Institute "admonishes Democrats to pay more attention to parental concerns about morally corrosive forces in the culture, and warns that the party will not fare better with this pivotal voting block until they do." Click here It's not until you go into the article (Moonie Times, BTW) that you find out that the PPI is the think-tank bought and paid for by the "centrist" (my ass!) DLCellouts. <sigh>... I still wish this woman a safe recovery
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I'm into reality, which means that while, on one hand, I wish Ms. Ingraham a speedy recovery, and do not wish her ill, WHATSOEVER, her illness will not make me forget that she's a vidette for the gestapo, a hateful, spiteful person, a slinger of logical fallacies and generally all-around revolting individual.
Get well soon, Laura. But you still suck.
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Anyone that has either experienced this horrific disease personally, or who has a loved one that has should take their hate for Ingraham, and put it aside to wish her well. This is above politics. I am as much a devoted liberal as the rest of you and anyone that has seen me post about these so called pundits would know that. However, those that have this lack of empathy for a person who is stricken with disease and can't abide the thought of wishing them solace and comfort, is working on a different level to me. It is beyond politics when your hate is that profound.
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Edited on Tue Apr-26-05 11:26 AM by GalleryGod
We lose Wellstone and others...whilst Limbaugh,Falwell, and believe me, Laura La-La-La will be CURED and go marching on! B4 you pray for La-La recall her venomous blasts and braying against the Wellstone family.
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Edited on Tue Apr-26-05 11:41 AM by demgurl
there is a 'Contact Us' area at the bottom of her home page. I am going to write to her and tell her I am a democrat but that I hope she gets to feeling better. It may not change the world if a lot of us were to do this, but it certainly could not hurt any. This country is divided enough as it is, it hardly needs nay more division. Perhaps with treatment and a lot of people writing to her, from the left side, she may come to soften a bit or see that we really are not the enemy. Just my thoughts and two cents worth. The healing of our country has to begin somewhere. I have been here a while and know most all of you are good people. Here is a chance for you all to do something. Are you going to sit there or write?
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Underlining emphasis mine: After graduating from Dartmouth College, Laura worked as a speechwriter in the final two years of the Reagan Administration at the White House, the Department of Transportation and the Department of Education. She went on to graduate from the University of Virginia School of Law, where she was Notes Editor of the Law Review. She served as a law clerk to Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas and Ralph K. Winter on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit. After clerking, Laura worked as a white-collar criminal defense attorney for Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom. Laura launched "The Laura Ingraham Show" in 2001. In addition to hosting her own syndicated radio program, Laura is an author, frequent columnist, and television commentator. Her latest book, Shut Up & Sing: How the Elites in Hollywood, Politics...and the UN are Subverting America is a bestseller. Her book The Hillary Trap, first released in June 2000, was recently re-released in an updated paperback version. She hopes to become the person her dog Troy thinks she is. http://www.lauraingraham.com/pg/jsp/general/aboutlaura....
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who gets breast cancer? The number has been going down for decades, so it is not surprising at all to me that ANOTHER TV personality has this horrible disease.
Good luck, Laura - you are SOOOOO not alone, in fact, you have a lot of company.
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May the doctors, nurses and other medical professionals be as thorough and as wise as possible, and may Laura Ingraham grow as a person through this. Maybe she'll be more open to others as a result of experiencing firsthand the suffering of a cancer patient.
Yes, I will pray for her. I did like her cheeky attitude about not letting her fiance out of marrying her! A sense of humor is a must for anyone with a serious illness.
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I hope for her sake, they got it early. There is so much they can do if the cancer is caught early.
Because she's in the media, especially because she sometimes appears on the male-oriented FOX news, I hope she speaks out publicly and reminds women to get theirs checked out.
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Hopefully,she will survive and looking death in the face will have some improving effect.
from Wikipedia:
Laura Ingraham (born January 1, 1965 in Glastonbury, Connecticut)
Unmarried, Ingraham once was engaged to conservative author Dinesh D'Souza and has dated former United States Senator Robert Torricelli of New Jersey. (eeewwwwwww!)
She is a Roman Catholic.
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I detest the Falcons, so it didn't take much effort to come up with the name. And if Vick really did knowingly infect a girl with an STD, I detest him as well. As for Ingraham, I don't wish her bad or good, just the same level of indifference she wishes on the less affluent. Thanks for the welcome. 
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I can't believe some of the comments I've read here today. Shame on you. I watched my own mother struggle with this disease and her last 4 months were a living hell. I wish Ms. Ingraham the best, she's got a tough road ahead of her. She will need a lot of inner strength and a strong support system. I hope she beats this.
I thought we were the party of compassion. Does this only apply to people who agree with our views? We should feel free to debate her politics, but to wish harm or misery on another human being is just all kinds of wrong.
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I am appalled at how mean-spirited so many of these posts have been. Makes me wonder about the several that were deleted. I also notice a lack of direct quotes from Ms Ingraham that could enlighten us as to how and why she is so very very very evil. Or are we just supposed to take your word for it? Tolerance for me, but not for thee?
Signing off, don't think I wanna hang out here after all.
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From chapter one of her "best selling"  "The Hillary Trap" http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/i/ingraham-hillary.h... <SNIP> Perhaps the most frightening of these claims is that the male-dominated American medical establishment has been willfully neglecting women's health. It's a charge that Hillary Rodham Clinton made in a July 1993 appearance at a fundraiser for a breast cancer screening center at UCLA. She brought a mostly female crowd nearly to tears, and to deafening applause, when she described the "unfair emotional burden inflicted on women because of the inequities of the system." But the real kicker was her claim that women have been discriminated against in the all-important world of medical research. "We have been on the medical and scientific sidelines," she complained.
Hillary wasn't breaking any new ground. In 1991, a bipartisan group of women in Congress charged that women were victims of systematic discrimination in medicine. "One of the reasons our hormones rage is that we're so often written off and trivialized," proclaimed liberal Senator Barbara Mikulski (D-MD). Senator Olympia Snowe (R-ME) seconded her Democratic sister: "There is a bias in federal research," she stated. "Medical research is largely done and conducted on men." As evidence, the congresswomen cited the fact that only thirteen percent of the total research budget of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) was devoted to diseases affecting women and that major federally funded heart disease studies had used exclusively men as participants. Representative Patricia Schroeder (D-CO) painted an ominous picture of the "boys' club" ignoring female health problems. "People tend to fund what they fear first," she opined in a television interview. "A majority of the House and Senate and other people never feared breast cancer, ovarian cancer, osteoporosis, so we feel they've been underfunded." The accusation sent shivers through the spine of many a male legislator. How would they respond when a female constituent asked, "Are you one of those politicians who don't care about women's health?"
No one wanted to be so "insensitive" as to point out that if thirteen percent of all federal medical research dollars went to specifically female health problems, a mere seven percent was earmarked for men's diseases such as prostate and testicular cancer. Eighty percent of the money was going to the study of diseases that affect both sexes—including heart disease, which kills ten times as many women annually as does breast cancer, and lung cancer, which has killed more women than breast cancer in every year since 1989. That didn't stop Hillary Clinton from declaring at the 1993 fundraiser at UCLA, "If we have technology sophisticated enough to direct missiles to targets thousands of miles away, then we have technology sophisticated enough to detect every fatal lump in a woman's breast." (Leave it to Hillary to turn health care into a struggle between the Pentagon and women's breasts!) Never mind that we also don't have technology sophisticated enough to distinguish a lethal fast-growing prostate tumor from a slow-growing one that does not require surgery.
In fact, it's interesting to note that between 1981 and 1985, long before women's health was turned into a political issue, five federal dollars were spent on breast cancer for every dollar spent on prostate cancer. By 1997, when prostate cancer claimed almost as many victims as breast cancer (41,800 versus 43,900), NIH spent more than $410 million on breast cancer research compared to a paltry $105 million for prostate cancer. So is it time for a Men's Health Equity Act? </SNIP> Yep, sweetness and light. As far as I'm concerned she should keep her mouth shut about this and suffer in silence. Jay
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Edited on Wed Apr-27-05 09:26 AM by Jai4WKC08
But don't be too quick to blame Karma. Breast cancer hits women, and sometimes men, who care very much about and work very hard for medical research and universal health care. I know you know that. I just wanted to put in my plug for EVERY woman to do self-exams and get those mammograms. I got a couple years behind in mine, but when a friend of mine was diagnosed, I decided I'd better get on the ball. Sure enough, I had calcifications in both breasts, and one of the them biopsied to be ductal carcinoma in situ. I was incredibly lucky. Found it early, got rid of it fairly simply. Only some preventative radiation and no drugs needed. Still getting rechecked every 6 months now--what a pain, but beats the hell out the alternative. So PLEASE, every woman on DU take a lesson, ok? We need your votes. And nice to see you around again, incognito! 
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Hate like this is what is making us lose elections. Our ideal policies are better than Republicans, but that does not mean crap in a country that cares more about charisma and whether somebody seems hateful. Some of the people in this thread seem hateful. This has to stop if we are going to win elections again. I understand this is only a message board, but how many of you all act this way in real life?
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the repukes. Laura Ingraham has done nothing but spew vile, nasty, anti-Dem HATRED since she participated in the attempted take down of Clinton. She DOESN'T just "seem" hateful. She IS hateful. She's hate personified.
How do you think she became a "RW celebrity?" Her mug started appearing on every network when she was working behind the scenes on the 8 year witch hunt against Bill Clinton. Don't lecture people on hatred as long as the RWer's are spewing it. We need to start fighting fire with fire. We need to stop taking knives to a gunfight. THAT is how we got to where we are...THE MINORITY in Congress. Playing nice with these RW wacko nut jobs will NOT work and SHE is one of the last people I would ever pray for.
I'll pray for our troops who have been maimed in Iraq.
I will pray for the soldiers who have died in Iraq.
I will pray for the families who have lost a loved one fighting in Iraq.
I will pray for the 100,000 innocent Iraqi citizens who have been MURDERED by people like Laura Ingraham.
I will pray for the people in this country who will starve because of social programs that have been eliminated because of people like Laura Ingraham.
I will pray for our homeless Veterans who have had their benefits cut because of people like Laura Ingraham.
I will pray for the elderly who can't afford to buy their medicines AND food because of people like Laura Ingraham.
I will pray for people who can't afford medical insurance because of people like Laura Ingraham.
I will pray for the innocent who get sick because of environmental chemicals released into our air and water because of people like Laura Ingraham.
I will pray for people like our very own Andy who has cancer. HE deserves our prayers.
Please. Don't lecture people on hatred when WE are barraged by it from the RW.
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I know she's not a kid, but isn't it rare for a woman her age to have breast cancer?
Just seems fairly young to me.
BTW: I can loathe her without wishing her ill. But, i don't pray. So, what was your point again? The Professor
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Guys, it doesn't f'in matter that she is a RW idiot. She is still a human being for God's sake. I may hate her politics, but that gives me no reason to wish illness upon her. That makes no sense and is totally immoral in my view.
Come on now, I know DU is better than this. I've seen it way too many times. Just think about it...
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While I think a majority of the posts in this thread have expressed a similar view, I disappointed in the remarks of the minority. If the freepers (and I have no idea whether they did or not) had said some of the same things I've read here about Elizabeth Edwards and her fight against breast cancer, most of us would rightfully expressed outrage at their lack of humanity. My wife was diagnosed with breast cancer three months after we were married and it was the most frightening thing either of us have ever had to endure. She's been doing great for 7 years now and I when I hear that someone has breast cancer (or any other form of cancer for that matter) I don't ask about their politics before I silently wish for them to beat the disease. I have no use for Ms Ingraham's politics but I'd rather defeat her ideas than have a disease beat her.
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Edited on Tue Apr-26-05 09:49 PM by FourStarDemocrat
In my opinion, she's nothing but an amoral, sociopathic rightwing shill, and has been one for years. Her family and friends can pray for her, and that's fine, but there are far more important people in this world that I'd rather choose to spend my time and energy caring about.
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when going through something like this.
May she recover quickly, and come through it with a greater degree of appreciation for the folks who don't have health insurance, and the weak, downtrodden, and less fortunate all over this land and planet.
And, may she come to understand that people like Michael Stipe and Bruce Springsteen have AT LEAST AS MUCH right to air their political views in public as she does.
So, Laura, Shut Up- And Get Better.
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Edited on Tue Apr-26-05 11:14 PM by impeachdubya
But I'm with you- it's discovery channel, history channel, or nothing, for me-- I used to watch cable news but last year it became so obnoxious that I had to cut it off at the CNNMSNBCETC.
FYI, Laura Ingraham was one in a seemingly endless series of smarmy, snotty, Clinton-hating blondes that was spawned from the same foul pit that offered up Ann Coulter. She is most recently known for spewing hate-venom on AM radio, and penning masterworks like last year's "Shut Up and Sing", where she forcefully argues that any celebrity or musician that doesn't share her political opinions should be denied their rights under the first amendment.
Oh, yeah, and we wish her a speedy recovery.
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"DC Hospice www.capitalhospice.org The mission of Capital Hospice is to improve care for those facing life-limiting illness through direct support of patients and their families, public education and public advocacy. Whitman-Walker Clinic www.wwc.org Whitman-Walker Clinic is a non-profit community-based health organization serving the Washington, D.C. metropolitan region. Established by and for the gay and lesbian community, our Clinic is comprised of diverse volunteers and staff who provide or facilitate the delivery of high quality, comprehensive, accessible health care and community services. Whitman-Walker Clinic is especially committed to ending the suffering of all those infected and affected by HIV/AIDS." I never heard of her before but if her only offense is that she's bitchy towards dems and liberals, she shouldn't be condemned like that. She's no Ann Coulter.
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Edited on Tue Apr-26-05 11:27 PM by Blue_Roses
her rwing rhetoric, but this is sad. I believe that there's always a lesson to be learned out of every crisis, but whether we see what that lesson is and use to help others is the true test of one's character. I find it hard to believe that someone can go through something this traumatic and not feel a change somewhere in their soul...
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They have caused too much pain to others.
On the other hand, perhaps I will do a bit of praying.
Yes, that she share, appropriately, the wing of Hell populated by Hitler's lower managmement, radio personalities, and writers from the Ministry of Propaganda.
Which is where her soul belongs in the Afterlife.
Excuse me, I have some praying to do.
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She's right about the sisterhood of breast cancer survivors... in that sisterhood, she is in my prayers... sending positive, healing energy her way.  She's also right about mammograms not detecting all breast cancers & the importance of monthly BSE's... please take note. Now, on the 'politics' side, be sure to vote in her poll: 'Who is winning the PR battle on the issue of judges, judicial confirmations?' Current results: Democrats 61% Republicans 39%
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Underneath the layers of hate, there is invariably someone very small, very hurt, and very scared. Cancer is a rough thing to face, but those who go through it sometimes find themselves healing on levels they had not expected.
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...is not a true liberal or progressive or Christian or Jew or Muslim or Buddhist or anything. We are supposed to be compassionate, understanding, and nurturing, not hateful and spiteful.
I've been visiting this site for months. Posting now and then when I'm bored at work, but I've noticed a lot of hate echoing through these boards. It does not bode well for those of us on the left.
I've begun to realize that there is just as much knee-jerk, blind, reactionary bullshit on our side as there is on the right. I'll have none of it. If we can't look past someone's political beliefs to empathize with their human weaknesses and difficulties, then we're absolutely lost. Grow up and have some sympathy for ALL people, not just those whose beliefs and thoughts are in line with your own. Regardless of her opinions, Ms. Ingraham is a human being.
I'm sick of reading these comments on a daily basis. And I, for one, am leaving permanently.
Don't bother flaming. I won't read it.
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we have to show people that we're better than that. Think of that one person out there, on the fence, looking for a party with real compassion because the only thing he sees from "compassionate conservatives" lately is a bloodlust that discusts him. This would be a great time for DUer's to extend positive and hopeful vibes to our worthy adversary as fellow members of the human race and citizens of the United States despite our different beliefs.
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<< I've begun to realize that there is just as much knee-jerk, blind, reactionary bullshit on our side as there is on the right. I'll have none of it. If we can't look past someone's political beliefs to empathize with their human weaknesses and difficulties, then we're absolutely lost. Grow up and have some sympathy for ALL people, not just those whose beliefs and thoughts are in line with your own. Regardless of her opinions, Ms. Ingraham is a human being. >>
And have you also noticed that despite the other side's "bullshit" they are stronger than ever and win every single time?
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but you are wrong. Anger towards someone who has done nothing but bad does not disqualify one from being a "liberal or progressive or Christian or Jew or Muslim or Buddhist or anything."
I won't pray for her, because I don't pray. Reading the posts on this thread, I completely sympathize with the anger. And reading posts from others who are better able to channel their anger in the moment and help us all reflect on ourselves is valuable for us all.
Chastizing people for expressing their emotions doesn't accomplish a thing.
You've been here since January, shortly after one of the most agonizing periods of our collective lives. If you judge this site by certain posts under certain circumstances and ignore all the good sentiments and worthwhile information here, the loss is yours.
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People have to learn that what you put out in your life comes back to you, so be very careful what you say and do to others. I wish her no ill, but she's on her own with this. Besides, I'm sure all the fundies out there will heal her, after all they know God personally don't they.
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Edited on Wed Apr-27-05 08:16 AM by Tesla
Elizabeth Edwards, you are a great woman. Having recently gone through breast cancer YOURSELF, I can see where your compassion for this woman is. (and where it isn't on this thread) Really, every woman dreads the diagnosis,and sweats out their mammogram results. I believe we create our reality, and on a higher level, you and Ms. I chose the same path to tread. Your compassion in this matter may lighten her heart to the sisterhood women have. Peace, Love, and Light, to you and your beautiful family. May God find a place for you in our future, we need folks like you up there. There is good and evil in everything, we have been seeing the evil part of our government, it is time we see the good again. Thank you for your time on DU. We love having you here!!!! News this morning on Breast Cancer!!!! http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/science/story/0,12996,14...
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He had cancer, he died of an allergic reaction to one of his meds. It was a painful death. He was a wonderful man and too young (75) to leave. He was a staunch Democrat (he voted for McGovern, granted we lived in MA!  ), supported Kerry/Edwards both with his vote and his pocketbook. Nobody should die like my father did, not LI, not anybody. I can't stand LI and what she stands for, however to paraphrase an old saying, I wouldn't wish a painful death on my worst enemy. I hope she learns compassion from her struggles, and wish her the best in her fight.
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It attacks women and yes men, but theirs is usually found quicker, Gay, like Melissa Ethridge and straight. Democrats and Republicans, Conservative and Liberal, Young and old and all of the people in between.
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