Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

What do you call someone who believes in God but not organized religion?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 11:35 AM
Original message
What do you call someone who believes in God but not organized religion?
Because that is me.

Don

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 11:35 AM
Response to Original message
1. Me too.
n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 11:35 AM
Original message
I'd Call Them "Smart"
:-)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 11:38 AM
Response to Original message
12. Oh c'mon!
That was too easy!
:evilgrin:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #12
22. Personally, I've Taken It One Step Further
Edited on Mon Apr-25-05 12:16 PM by CO Liberal
I was raised Catholic, but left the Church 25 years ago. I now believe that there IS something out there, but it's beyond human understanding to fully comprehend it. I'm most comfortable with the New Age concept of referring to that Higher Power as either "Spirit" or "Source".
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #22
27. Dang,
you've given it a lot of thought.
I'm just a boring old atheist myself.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
burn the bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 12:07 PM
Response to Original message
28. that was my answer
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 11:35 AM
Response to Original message
2. me too
and I would like to know a quick way to explain that to people.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 11:36 AM
Response to Original message
3. Un-churched?
Edited on Mon Apr-25-05 11:36 AM by Bouncy Ball
Non-churched?

Natural?

LOL!

That would be my husband. He does believe in God, but has never felt any need for organized religion. In fact, is quite turned off by it.

He likes to say "nature is God's church."

I tend to agree.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 11:36 AM
Response to Original message
4. me n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 11:36 AM
Response to Original message
5. Spiritual. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #5
7. I like the term "spiritual."
It's a more effective description of me than "religious." I'm not into dogma.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #7
32. Spirituality or religion
Religion is sitting in church thinking about fishing.Spirituality is sitting fishing thinking about god.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #32
49. A bumper sticker I own
Religion is for people afraid of going to hell. Spirituality is for those who have been there.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 11:37 AM
Response to Original message
6. Deist
although that term more specifically applies to someone who believes in a God, but that this God does not take an active part in the daily events of the world.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #6
13. I had always heard it described
As a person who believes in a god or some sort of external entity (a deity), but does not believe in a specific god or subscribe to any specific religion or dogma.

That is where I fit in.

I have also heard the "non-interference" aspect, as you mentioned, associated with deism. Sort of a "Prime Directive" approach: God will not interfere with developing worlds...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #13
34. Nice Merton quote!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #34
58. Thanks, I find it to be especially relevant this past week or so
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #6
40. Yup. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #6
45. Suppose You See God In The Natural Order & Universal Principles?
Edited on Mon Apr-25-05 12:47 PM by cryingshame
like Gravity as an aspect of "God" or Divinity.

Gravity effects us every day.

Electro-magnetism also effects us and can also be observed, studied and manipulated.

Is there a word for that.

I am sincerely interested and would greatly appreciate knowing if there's a philospohical camp.

Perhaps Pythagorean or Platonic.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 02:50 PM
Response to Reply #45
64. Look into Pantheism.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #64
84. I think thats where I fall in. I never knew exactly what to call it though
I don't go for the organized religion, but I have always felt there is something out there, whether it's god, mother nature or what ever... but I think something is out there.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 11:37 AM
Response to Original message
8. Rational?
Sane?

TlalocW
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 11:38 AM
Response to Original message
9. me too, bah hahahahaha
ya what are we called. give us a label
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 11:38 AM
Response to Original message
10. Me!
I kind of like "spiritual."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 11:38 AM
Response to Original message
11. A deist, or an agnostic
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 11:40 AM
Response to Original message
14. A sane individual.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sexybomber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 11:43 AM
Response to Original message
15. Enlightened. (n/t)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 11:44 AM
Response to Original message
16. That's me, as well.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 11:45 AM
Response to Original message
17. Sane?
Organized religion is corrupt. That's what I tell people when they ask me if I attend church. The bible says "whenever two or more of you gather in my name....." it is "church." My family takes nature walks to be in "church." We talk about spirituality often, especially on these walks that bring us closer to the divine. As far as I'm concerned, this is more "church" than the gatherings of self-righteous, tax-haters I see going in those gaudy buildings on Sundays. I concede nothing to those who attend these places. I am just as Christian as they are.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Wilber_Stool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #17
25. Yup.........n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
newblewtoo Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #17
76. "I am just as Christian as they are."

I have said the same thing for years. Buildings an sermons do not make a church nor will going to one make you a Christian any more than going to a garage will make you a car.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #76
103. Welcome to DU newblewtoo!
:hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sueh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 11:45 AM
Response to Original message
18. God believer without church affiliation. e/m
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 11:47 AM
Response to Original message
19. My first
answer was smart, though if you need a name Deist. Either one you will get questions. I tell people organized religion is run by man and power corrupts man, therefore anything of size that offers power get corrupted. There are plenty of examples out there to make your point. Deism (n): Belief in God as revealed by nature and reason combined with a disbelief in scripture, prophets, superstition and church authority. from http://www.deism.org/frames.htm








Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
patcox2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 11:50 AM
Response to Original message
20. Confused about the difference between "belief" and "approval."
You must either believe or not when it comes to God, as there is no proof.

But organized religion does indeed exist, according to all the objective evidence.

There is no contradiction between believing in god and diliking, disapproving of, being critical of, or otherwise, as regards organized religion.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 11:51 AM
Response to Original message
21. At base the simplest term would be theist
Theist means simply someone that has a belief in god or gods. There is a more refined group that call themself deists. They believe there is a god but they very on definitions.

You may also wish to look into some other groups such as Pantheists and Panetheists. Each has their own nuance that may fit your situation better.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #21
46. Religious Fundies Screech PANTHEIST At Me When I Explain What
Edited on Mon Apr-25-05 12:50 PM by cryingshame
intelligent design is and what it is NOT.

The thought of Divinity or a Creative Potency not housed in a Sky-Person drives them over the edge.

I get flamed on by Right-wingers AND Lefties.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #46
48. That is actually interesting
There must have been a division or schism in the creationist movement. The ID movement is the offspring of the creationists. It seems to be little more than an attempt to throw a lab coat on the creationist agenda. But it seems to have "evolved" in new ways on its own. And like any differentiated species it is strongly rejected by its host species as tainted or dangerous.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 11:53 AM
Response to Original message
23. I call myself a "Spiritual Humanist" n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #23
42. I like that...
"spiritual humanist"

I've never heard that term before, it's a new one to me. I like it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 11:55 AM
Response to Original message
24. Deist. n/t
.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 11:59 AM
Response to Original message
26. A Free Thinker?
that's me! I do believe that something is out there, but not in any organized religions and I don't give the bible much credit as true history and infallible book. To me, many good stuff in the Bible is for teaching, not to be taken literally.

Nature is awesome.

Only love is real.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WatchWhatISay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 12:07 PM
Response to Original message
29. Am I an agnostic?
I cannot dis-believe in God anymore than I can believe in him. But I hope that such a being exists, and see it as a force for good.

But I think all organized religion eventually gets corrupted by those who see it as a tool for control, and therefore it is something to be avoided.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ridgerunner Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #29
61. "What is an Agnostic?" by Bertrand Russell
"An agnostic thinks it impossible to know the truth in matters such as God and the future life with which Christianity and other religions are concerned. Or, if not impossible, at least impossible at the present time."

http://www.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/humftp/E-text/Russell/agnos...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 12:07 PM
Response to Original message
30. Spiritual
Religion is for people afraid of hell.

Spirituality is for those who've already been there.

RL
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #30
35. One of my favorite sayings
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #30
36. Oh wow! That is sooo cool!
Love it!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #30
57. I like that!
Add me to the list for that one. I do believe there is a force greater than ourselves, and I do believe there is some sort of afterlife, but I don't subscribe to any particular religion.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 12:08 PM
Response to Original message
31. I don't know if there's a name for it.
I myself am an atheist, but I believe Jesus Christ lived and that his teaching is worthy of my attention & emulation. :shrug: I believe the same of M.K. Gandhi.

I hope you find your answers
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 12:10 PM
Response to Original message
33. I'd say self-secure and mentally balanced.
I never understood why people of faith feel they have to congregate with like minded Christians in a building that demands healthy amounts of cash to maintain it's own existance.

It's true that churches can organize to accomplish civic improvement, but I doubt that's why people attend. Instead it seems many believe membership to be a passport to heaven.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 12:16 PM
Response to Original message
37. Hehehe
If you believe in God(s) and the use of reason to understand spiritual matters and consider the Universe as the real word of God, you're a Deist.

Jefferson, Franklin, Washington, and Paine were Deists.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
newportdadde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 12:17 PM
Response to Original message
38. Sounds like your like me, a non denominational Christian
Which is like putting a steak in front of a starving man as everybody rushes to close the deal and get me to join up to their specific church.

I'll take cracking open my own bible instead of going to church and getting political propaganda etc any day of the week.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 12:25 PM
Response to Original message
39. a deist n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 12:34 PM
Response to Original message
41. spiritual
that's me too
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 12:38 PM
Response to Original message
43. I will call them half intelligent because they could go all the way.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #43
68. All the way to where?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #68
97. I was trying to do a take off on teenage talk.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #97
99. I swear I suspected that when I asked. No shit I did n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 12:42 PM
Response to Original message
44. Interesting question.
Edited on Mon Apr-25-05 12:44 PM by Kerrytravelers
I've always identified myself on this board as Catholic. However, I haven't been to Mass in a very long time (except during the death of JPII) and really have no calling to go back anytime soon.

I often identify myself as spiritual, but not singularly religious as I feel all religions have a spiritual connection. A multitude of religions share many of the same stories (beginning of the world, a great flood, prodigal son, etc.) I like the feeling that we're all connected, whether you practice a religion or not, at a spiritual level. That is why I consider myself spiritual.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 12:51 PM
Response to Original message
47. i saw one of the kennedy clan on 'politically incorrect'
a fews years back and he called himself a 'recovering catholic'. i thought that appropriate.

if i believed in a deity, i would probably call myself a 'spiritualist'. that would also be my answer if asked if i drink spirits. :evilgrin: :toast:

ellen fl :woohoo: :woohoo:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #47
56. I've been a Recovering Catholic for 15 years...
I think I get some sort of pin or something dont I?? :-)

I believe that there is a God... but I don't think that one religion or Political Party owns the rights to the divine.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 12:55 PM
Response to Original message
50. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 12:57 PM
Response to Original message
51. That would be me
I believe in a higher power even if I don't have a definition for what it is. I don't feel the need for an organzation.

I like "spiritual" but I'm not into labels very much either.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 01:05 PM
Response to Original message
52. "right"
it never fails, orgainized religion starts out with good intentions but over time it just becomes misguided and loses its focus.

I am with you. I believe in God. In most cases I find huge gaps between the scriptures and the current teachings.

I wrote a book a few years about about this, and also how most of the religions agree on most things, if you wipe out all the politics and manipulations and just focus on the original core teachings. you can check it out here:

http://theharmonyinstitute.org/book

I can arrange discounts for any DUers who want to check it out. Just drop me an email at gary(at)theharmonyinstitute.org

I think most people would be surprised at how many democrats consider themselves to be spiritual or religious (in the way you describe). the other side likes to make us all out as heathens and non-believers.

gary
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 01:07 PM
Response to Original message
53. i don't believe in god, but i definitely believe in organized religion
and it, mostly, scares the hell out of me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 01:09 PM
Response to Original message
54. halfway there
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #54
59. Halfway to where?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #59
71. depends on which way you're going
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #71
73. "depends on which way you're going" ? I am really confused now
Are you suggesting that I am going somewhere I don't want to go because I choose not belong to some form of organized religion?

Don

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #73
79. no
Edited on Mon Apr-25-05 04:17 PM by leftofthedial
I'm suggesting that you are somewhere in between two polar opposites.

It's not an attack. I don't know what the name is for you. Do you believe in God, Jesus . . . ?

Lots of people I know who describe themselves as believing in God do not believe in the Bible at all.



edit: I can't type a goddamn lick anymore.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #79
80. I said I do believe in God
My God may not be the same God as you or someone else envisions though. I also believe there was a man called Jesus. I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the idea that Jesus was born from Immaculate Conception though. Same goes for the arose from the dead stuff.

As for the bible, I have read it but I do not take everything written in it literally. But if someone else does, I have no problem with that.

As for those who believe in God but do not believe in the Bible at all, I say that is fine with me. It is no skin off my nose what the next person wishes to believe.

And I don't feel myself caught between two polar opposites either. I actually feel at peace with my beliefs.

And I bet my typing is worse than yours.

Don

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #80
81. I'm an atheist
I don't believe in any of that stuff.

By "between two polar opposites," I don't mean to imply that you should be uncomfortable with your beliefs. I just think that on one side, the organized religion folks would try to convert you and on the other, the atheists would wonder what "god" you believe in and why.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 01:21 PM
Response to Original message
55. A believer in what is, without putting a psychotic or primitive spin on it
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
eaglenetsupport Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 02:17 PM
Response to Original message
60. Christian Democrat
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 02:25 PM
Response to Original message
62. Deist...spiritual...faithful.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Paranoid_Portlander Donating Member (823 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 02:43 PM
Response to Original message
63. Albert Einstein.
.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 02:54 PM
Response to Original message
65. Religion is to God as a clock is to time.
My favorite quotation.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #65
69. That's really cool!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #69
70. Yup, I think so too.
It's a phrase that has more and more meaning the more you think about it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 02:55 PM
Response to Original message
66. I consider myself a Spiritualist!
I believe in God...Period! I believe in living a good , kind, honest compassionate life and caring for nature. I believe there is some kind of life after death and no one knows what that is. I don't like ANY religious affiliation and actively disapprove of them ALL. They are ALL greedy, lying, controlling, power hungry organizations. However, I respect them for the good deeds that they do.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 02:55 PM
Response to Original message
67. NNNOLHI - read Thomas Paine.
Edited on Mon Apr-25-05 03:07 PM by dave29
I would highly recommend reading the works of Thomas Paine. He was one of the first Deists - and also one of the reasons for the American Revolution. He started out with the church, and wound up being attacked and destroyed by it for daring to stand up to it's doctrines - using mere "reason".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Paine

A proto-anarchist, Paine advocated a liberal world view, considered radical for his time. He dismissed royalty, and viewed all government as, at best, a necessary evil. He opposed slavery and was amongst the earliest proponents of social security, universal free public education, guaranteed minimum wages and many other radical ideas now in common practice in most western democracies.

and a quote:

"The opinions I have advanced are the effect of the most clear and long-established conviction that the Bible and the Testament are impositions upon the world, that the fall of man, the account of Jesus Christ being the Son of God, and of his dying to appease the wrath of God, and of salvation by that strange means, are all fabulous inventions, dishonorable to the wisdom and power of the Almighty; that the only true religion is Deism, by which I then meant, and mean now, the belief of one God, and an imitation of his moral character, or the practice of what are called moral virtuesand that it was upon this only (so far as religion is concerned) that I rested all my hopes of happiness hereafter. So say I nowand so help me God.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 03:16 PM
Response to Original message
72. Deist? N/T
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 03:24 PM
Response to Original message
74. That's me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 03:25 PM
Response to Original message
75. A free thinker who thinks differently from me.
And generally an awesome person, because I feel that organized religion sucks the spirutality out of people (but that's just my opinion).

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 04:13 PM
Response to Original message
77. Spiritually pure Christian. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 04:15 PM
Response to Original message
78. Me. Religion only uses God to sell their product which I'll have none of.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 05:05 PM
Response to Original message
82. I guess it depends upon how you perceive God.
:shrug:

I believe in a higher power (whatever named) of which we are all a part. I don't believe in an external God that manipulates the goings ons.

I've been called a deist, a theist, a new age spiritualist. :P

I also don't believe any religion has everything completely right and that they often smother individuals' capacity to develop spiritually.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 05:12 PM
Response to Original message
83. There was a book out there somewhere
(quick google)

http://www.covenantbookstore.com/howtobechwib.html

called "How to be a Christian Without Being "Religious".

I don't know that it has a formal name. Perhaps "non-practicing".

One of my old pastors said, when he met someone who didn't go to church because it was full of hypocrites, "Come on in, there's room for one more."

Not calling you a hypocrite. I just liked smartass comebacks.

Why do you not believe in organized religion? What bugs you specifically?

A friend of mine felt as you do, and called himself agnostic. That's NOT it. Agnostics believe that there is a force in the heavens, but that it is unknowable, and that the Bible is the work of man.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #83
86. Nothing bugs me about organized religions. I just don't believe in them
The reason I don't believe in organized religion is because it is my right not to. If the next person does believe in organized religion I say to them party on.

Don

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #86
88. Why don't you believe in organized religion?
I'm just asking because it would help in determining the answer you're seeking.

Otherwise, I don't understand your answer. Surely there is a reasoning that goes beyond "because I can."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #88
90. Persistent little bugger, ain't ya?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 06:13 PM
Response to Reply #90
92. Yep.
.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 06:19 PM
Response to Reply #88
95. "Faith is about Belief, Religion is about Control"
I love that quote - I heard it for the first time a couple of weeks ago on an NPR Jefferson Hour show, I can give no attribution, but it just states so beautifully what I myself believe.

I could also offer you the term "Quietism" which I learned about from a great book I am reading right now called FROM DAWN TO DECADENCE by Jacques Barzun. This is a school of religious thought that arose in the reign of Louis the XIV. It was associated with a Mme Guyon, a "mystic" who called Quietism the "religion of pure piety , free of ritual and clergy". That's for me!!! Don't you just love the term "quietism"?

I am waiting for the first politico who says " My faith and personal beliefs are a private matter. Next question."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 05:31 PM
Response to Original message
85. The term you are looking for is solitary practioner
As represented by the Hermit holding his staff and lifting his latern in his eternal search for truth. If you chose what you believe then are the Heretic. God's gift of Freewill and the freedom of choice it provides is what the church calls Heresey. Under old cannon law and the Maleus Malificarum it is a crime punishable by execution. They have yet to learn that you cannot unring a bell or unbite and apple. You cannot unlearn what you know. At best you can drink the waters of the River Lieth and forever forget. But that a little to close to Hades for me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 05:49 PM
Response to Original message
87. I'd Call Them, Pretty Normal
I think that constitutes a pretty high percentage of believers. Just a guess. I've got no data, but i've been hearing that sentiment for many, many years. You're probably in pretty heavy company. I mean, weren't most of the founders deists? Isn't that what you're describing?

The Professor
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 06:01 PM
Response to Original message
89. A Unitarian?
I feel the same way.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hippiegranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 06:12 PM
Response to Original message
91. an anti-dogmatist?
Me, I just worship at the altar of Mother Nature. That is as close to a feeling of "God" as it gets for me. I do believe in a higher power, but I think it is more about the energy that exists within each person. Some have more than others. Some people simply are more evolved and they have a greater power or light or whatever.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 06:13 PM
Response to Original message
93. I call such a person ..... ME
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 06:15 PM
Response to Original message
94. "Disenfranchised"
As without organized religion, your collective voice has no political
power to swing voters, and thus, those who are not in organized
religion are not considered worth catering to.

The system is designed to disenfranchise those without churches.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 06:20 PM
Response to Original message
96. orpupilofnature57
Edited on Mon Apr-25-05 06:23 PM by orpupilofnature57
And like Ive said,I'd rather get my balls busted here on DU ,than feel content with shrubs!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 06:56 PM
Response to Original message
98. me! - its called agnostic??? nt
Edited on Mon Apr-25-05 06:57 PM by LSK
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #98
100. Not necessarily
He doesn't say he doesn't believe in the Bible anything else about Christianity, just not the church.

Agnostics feel there is a higher power out there, but that he/she/it is unknowable. Agnostics = the big shrug.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 07:08 PM
Response to Original message
101. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
toddaa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 07:18 PM
Response to Original message
102. The Pantheist Credo
From the World Pantheist Movement. http://www.pantheism.net /

1. We revere and celebrate the Universe as the totality of being, past, present and future. It is self-organizing, ever-evolving and inexhaustibly diverse. Its overwhelming power, beauty and fundamental mystery compel the deepest human reverence and wonder.

2. All matter, energy, and life are an interconnected unity of which we are an inseparable part. We rejoice in our existence and seek to participate ever more deeply in this unity through knowledge, celebration, meditation, empathy, love, ethical action and art.

3. We are an integral part of Nature, which we should cherish, revere and preserve in all its magnificent beauty and diversity. We should strive to live in harmony with Nature locally and globally. We acknowledge the inherent value of all life, human and non-human, and strive to treat all living beings with compassion and respect.

4. All humans are equal centers of awareness of the Universe and nature, and all deserve a life of equal dignity and mutual respect. To this end we support and work towards freedom, democracy, justice, and non-discrimination, and a world community based on peace, sustainable ways of life, full respect for human rights and an end to poverty.

5. There is a single kind of substance, energy/matter, which is vibrant and infinitely creative in all its forms. Body and mind are indivisibly united.

6. We see death as the return to nature of our elements, and the end of our existence as individuals. The forms of "afterlife" available to humans are natural ones, in the natural world. Our actions, our ideas and memories of us live on, according to what we do in our lives. Our genes live on in our families, and our elements are endlessly recycled in nature.

7. We honor reality, and keep our minds open to the evidence of the senses and of science's unending quest for deeper understanding. These are our best means of coming to know the Universe, and on them we base our aesthetic and religious feelings about reality.

8. Every individual has direct access through perception, emotion and meditation to ultimate reality, which is the Universe and Nature. There is no need for mediation by priests, gurus or revealed scriptures.

9. We uphold the separation of religion and state, and the universal human right of freedom of religion. We recognize the freedom of all pantheists to express and celebrate their beliefs, as individuals or in groups, in any non-harmful ritual, symbol or vocabulary that is meaningful to them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #102
104. Here is Kurt Vonnegut's shortened up version of "The Pantheist Credo"
When Kilgore Trout found graffiti asking "what is the purpose of life," he quickly searches for something to write with so that he may reply:

"to be the eyes and ears and conscience of the creator of the universe, you fool"

-- "Breakfast of Champions." --

This dichotomy demonstrates the divisions in modern spiritual beliefs that exist only in ignorance, and when applied to logic and reason, can achieve unity.

Don

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #104
107. Vonnegut a true metaphysic genius!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 07:40 PM
Response to Original message
105. I don't know, but I'm one...
... too.

I can't bring myself to believe this was all a cosmic accident, but the religions I've been exposed to so far haven't provided any alternative. They all look like the works, hopes and fears of man superimposed on "god".

No thanks.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Is It Fascism Yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 07:42 PM
Response to Original message
106. Correct. I call them correct. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 07:55 PM
Response to Original message
108. wise.
.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Oct 23rd 2014, 01:10 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC