"Rods Of God" Have You Heard Of This Weapon?

[norml]

Another weapon is space rods, sometimes called “Rods of God” that would be delivered to targets on the earth from orbiting space platforms. Jack Kelly, Post-Gazette National Security Writer, reports the rods would be made of tungsten around 20 feet in length and a foot in diameter. The rods could be guided by satellite to targets on Earth, striking at speeds of around 12,000 feet per second that would destroy hardened bunkers several stories beneath the surface. No explosives would be needed. The speed and weight of the rods would lend them all the force they need



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[punpirate]

1. Yes, I've heard of this proposal...

... and it's yet another wet-dream derivative of the Star Wars program to rule the world from space.

It's another bit of a program first proposed by the US Space Command (now rolled into STRATCOM) to spend all our tax money on corporate military contractors.

[tabasco]

35. The real objective of the program ...

is redistribution of wealth.

Traitorous war profiteers hurt our Nation.

[lenidog]

2. They talked about that way back in the 80s

The whole idea started out in sci-fi literature a novel called "Footfall" if I recall. The alien race in the novel used the satellites which contained the rods to wipe out several US armored divisions. So some boys in the DARPA looked at the possibility of building such satellites and using them on a Warsaw Pact thrust into Germany if it ever happened. The name back then was the "Hammers of Thor." They would strap a sensor to the nose and some fins to direct them and bombs away. Also they decided to build them out of titanium since the idea was to drop them from a satellite from low Earth orbit. That way they wouldn't burn up

[norml]

3. "Hammers of Thor" sounds so pagan. "Rods Of God" is more Fundie friendly.

So much the better for smiting the heathen in any moral crusade.

[lenidog]

5. You are right it is more fundie friendly but I still think

"The Hammers of Thor" is cooler.

[NuttyFluffers]

10. the names are hilarious! 'hammers of thor,' 'rod of god,'...

damn, phallus worship anybody? it's like a complex! :rofl: why can't they call it something funny and innocuous for once, it'd be easier to avoid attention that way. something like:

ET's Blowtickler
Hal 9000's Spitballs
Real Big Tee Divets
or
Big Bertha the Riveter

they all seem to have starched underwear over there in the military brass. no sense of whimsey at all. :rofl: 'rod of god'... bwa ha ha!

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

15. How typical.

Niven and Pournelle wrote shit books, and the Pentagon picks them up... Lame.

[tkmorris]

16. You are exactly right

The novel was in fact "Footfall", written by Larry Niven of "Ringworld" fame.

It's a simple idea really. Enclose thousands of metal rods, weighted slightly at one end, into a single package. Explode the package at a proper height and the things will rain down upon whatever is below, destroying anything including heavily armored vehicles within a given footprint. Cheap, simple, and effective, employing gravity to make the mundane deadly.

[CrownPrinceBandar]

30. Awesome book............

Probably my favorite Niven/Pournelle novel. Wish they'd make a movie.

[deadcenter]

38. 1965

Robert A. Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. As memory (probably faulty) serves, a colony on the moon declares independence from Earth. Earth tries to retaliate, the colonies defense is to, in the words of the colony's computer, "throw rocks at them". Not as sophisticated as others, but I think it might be the introduction of space based (space originated?) weapons.

deadcenter

[delete_bush]

4. Sounds like a fundie

pick-up line to me...

[Joebert]

6. I think PopSci did a story on this a few months back.

I seem to recall that it's a rail gun in space.

AND as a bonus you get to pay to reload it once in a while.

Vaporize a target, and vote yourself a higher budget to buy more rods.

[lenidog]

8. Actually a rail gun is a whole different kettle of fish

The hammers you just drop and let gravity do its thing. While rail guns use magnetic forces to propel an object at hypervelocity. Instead of using explosives you just use the impact to do damage. In the early 90s the army actually got a rail gun to work. The only problem was that you needed one M-1 tank chassis to carry the thing and another to carry the generator to power it.

[megatherium]

18. I think they were going to put rail guns on the new DD(X) destroyers.

Send a shell at hypersonic velocity to targets a hundred miles inland. Maybe, just maybe, the world will actually respect and obey us. eek!

The NY Times has an editorial this morning calling for the cancellation of this program, because at $3 to $4 billion a piece, they're going to starve the rest of the Navy's ship-building and refurbishing budget.

[kiki]

21. You can also use railgun technology

to make weapons that fire very rapidly, because you can bypass all the mechanics of getting the bullet from the magazine into the chamber and just line up all the bullets along the EM rail.

Apparently, with the fastest-firing conventional single-barrel weapons, the minimum distance you can get between consecutively fired bullets is about a foot. But with these railguns it's centimetres.

[punpirate]

41. Uh, not quite...

... the rail gun I looked at in 1990 was lighter, but much longer than you suggest, and still required a significant gas assist to get the projectile to speed, and wasn't designed for ground use--meant to be used in space as a means of disabling incoming missiles. The projectile is plastic. Not much chance of such a projectile traveling in air with any precision over an appreciable distance. Perhaps there's been some changes in the technology over time, but for surface use, this is probably a pipe dream.

The "Rods from God" business requires acceleration and aiming--they aren't just dropped. In low earth orbit, they'd just wander away if they were just released. The anticipated 12K fps velocity would require a huge energy input. Tungsten is 19.25 g/cm3, so a bar of tungsten twenty feet long and a foot in diameter would weigh almost 19,000 lbs.

This is more idiocy from the military-industrial complex designed to part us from our tax dollars.

[Jack_DeLeon]

7. Sounds kind of cool...

just better hope one doesnt fuck up and release its payload accidently.

[lenidog]

9. That was part of the problem from what I understand

you couldn't guarantee that the thing wouldn't fall out of orbit and they couldn't make sure it would hit the target from that far up. They could have aimed for the Fulda Gap in Germany and ended up hitting Munich.

[Deja Q]

13. On the plus side, no nuke has gone off accidentally.

Yet.

[Art_from_Ark]

27. You should read about what happened in Arkansas in 1965 and 1980

" DAMASCUS (Arkansas) - This September 20, 1980, residents in Damascus (Faulkner County) woke to see an exploding missile shooting hundreds of feet into the sky, sending earthquake like shock waves across north central Arkansas.

"Early signs of an impending disaster started when a fuel leak in the underground missile prompted the removal of local residents within a one-mile radius of the missile site. Immediately, local law enforcement officers closed the highway in the vicinity, and alerted persons entering the area."


http://www.oldstatehouse.com/educational_programs/classroom/arkansas_news/detail.asp?id=447&issue_id=32&page=5

[xchrom]

11. somebody is not gettin any!

names like that can only come from the sex deprived.

should we start a telethon?

[Deja Q]

12. Sick. God creates. God destroys. For us to do either in God's name is

VANITY, amongst other things.

And the Bible, amongst religious texts for all religions, says that vanity (& those amongst other things) are SINS.

How many bible bangers will think the name through? Zippo.

[norml]

32. The Sky God sticks his Rod in the Earth Goddess.

Gimmie that old time religion!

[MollyStark]

14. Shouldn't they just call "huge Penis from space"?

BTW is it going to have a smaller rate of error that smart bombs?

[megatherium]

17. Another lovely weapons system. They're also working on hypersonic cruise

missiles, to be deployed around decade's end. Unmanned vehicles which can deliver a 500 kg payload to any point on the globe in 2 hours, but which can be recalled if necessary. In recent years, we've dumped lots of cruise missiles on various targets, but these require 24-48 hours of lead-time, as they have to be launched by ship or by B-52 from within 1500 miles of the target. So terrorists or other adversaries would have lots of time to hunker down or leave, when we needed to bomb them. Now they won't have that luxury. I'm not certain if I find that comforting.

Footfall, by the way, is a classic aliens-attack-Earth novel by Pournelle and Niven. The aliens use rods of God against humans; the humans fight back with neutron weapons and project Orion. Loads of fun if you don't take it too seriously.

[norml]

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[megatherium]

42. but our toy will be hypersonic (Mach 6+) and will have a global range. nt

[norml]

43. Our toy will be, but isn't yet.

Grand plans as yet unrealized of missile superiority to the Russians, as we depend on them to get our astronauts into space.

[megatherium]

45. point well taken.

I think they were saying 2010 maybe 5 years ago, but there doesn't seem to be a firm date yet. The program I was thinking of is called HyFly, which has Darpa/Navy and Darpa/Air Force versions; the Air Force version is nicknamed FALCON and is intended to produce a cruise missile launched from the continental US that can strike something 9000 nautical miles away. They've wind-tunnel tested a Mach 6.5 engine (no mean feat in itself); two-year-old web sites were promising flight testing by now, but I am unable to find more recent information.

[tanyev]

19. The Rod of God.

[kiki]

20. Well I've heard...

...although admittedly only in "speculative" sci-fi, that if you make 'em bigger, out of heavier metal, you can use them to start earthquakes.

Sounds plausible?

[Toots]

22. The real Rod of God was very interesting

Moses needed help to defeat the tribes facing the Israelites so God said he would help. He gave Moses a Rod to use against the enemy. Not a Staff which was the normal item but a special rod that was very heavy. Moses could not hold the Rod up by himself and everytime he let the Rod down the enemy started winning the battle Moses's brother Arron along with a couple other men helped Moses hold the Rod leveled at the enemy and the Israelites went on to take the land from the current occupants and made it their own. As soon as the battle was won God took his Rod back never to be used again....The thing about this Rod is that Moses always used a staff given to him by god for his magic. this rod was clearly a mechanical device that used another force than magic..

[SlavesandBulldozers]

23. god is such an indian giver sometimes

gimme my rod back, im going home.

on edit: nobody should talk about god's rod.

[DulceDecorum]

24. There are a lot of weapons

that we are not allowed to discuss.

They pertain to weather modification
and the destruction of the entire planet.
These weapons are part of something called AIR FORCE 2025.
http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/

Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025
http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/

[norml]

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[ragin_acadian]

25. whoops, i thought this was going to be another

'catholic church covering up pedophiles' thread, when i saw the title.

but thank you for the information, anyway.

[Beelzebud]

26. I am 100% against the weaponization of space...

[baldguy]

28. This is a pipe dream.

As in: What the hell are they smoking?

For the material alone, a titanium rod 1 ft in diameter an 20 ft long would weigh 2.2 tons, and at $100/lb it would cost $440,000. In order to be an effective threat, they would need hundreds of these things in orbit ready to go. The cost to launch 1 lb is $3000. So we're starting at about $14 million each. And you just know that Lockheed can triple that without batting an eye.


For comparison, this cost about $100 million:

[norml]

29. Launching costs would have to be reduced to make lots of things practical.

It could be done, if our space program wasn't falling apart, and if cheaper ways of getting payloads into space were built. Shooting payloads into space with a giant gun would be one such way to make it cheaper.

[RAF]

33. The book of revelations mentioned "the rod" or similar phrase

I remember reading in the book of revelations that "the rod" of "rod of iron" was to be the new weapon that mankind feared and was used to hold power.

It's been a very longtime since reading revelations and of course it's to be taken with a grain of salt.

Jus thought I would mention it.

[Rex]

36. They will find a way to wipe out the human race.

Military wet dreams are always about pro-death on a level that would rival huge natural disasters. War is peace.

[BringEmOn]

37. Sounds like Gannon/Guckert's new website.

www.rodsofgod.com???

[hootinholler]

39. LOL, I first thought...

Oh the name's because we're fucked.

-Hoot

[kevsand]

40. "Don't you know we all need

a lightning rod, with which to chase these spooks away? Don't you know I mean our own Pastor Rod Flash? He's been up for a week, but he's coming down..."

--Firesign Theatre, Don't Crush That Dwarf, Hand Me the Pliers, (1970)

[Dark]

44. Meh, at least they aren't trying to get to Mars anymore. . .n/t