A Video Clip Called: Gays Should Apologize

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It's my 1000th post. Unfortunately, I'm going to use it to make people aware of a popular video clip circulating on the internet. It is a MSNBC video clip that someone titled Gays Should Apologize. In this clip, the President of the Catholic League berates a gay man and says that gays must apologize to the world for causing AIDS.

Curiously, the banner under the man's head reads ANTI-RELIGIOUS BIAS. I think this is significant considering that the attack is clearly on gay men. This underscores a point that many of us have been making: the very existence of outspoken gay people fighting for their rights is considered anti-religious bias.

There is no doubt in my mind that this is Rove engineered. What can we do about it? I think that we need progressive Catholics and Protestants to act as caring moderators between GLBT people and Christians (Catholics specifically, because I think this is where they want to wedge). Next up, I've already heard wind that it's a Rove goal to get religious blacks on board with republicans using gays as a wedge.

I think now is the time to have real, honest dialogue. Much of it is going to be painful. To non-gay DUers, you must understand that we are the wedge, but you are the target as much as we are.

Here's the ugly clip. http://www.ifilm.com/viralvideo

To access the "Gays Should Apologize" clip, go about 20 down in the top 100 popular film clips. You'll see it.

[bigwillq]

1. Congrats on 1,000 posts!

:bounce: :toast:


What bullshit. I must ignore stupidity like that and focus on how far gay rights have come. Gay people make such a big difference in this world and I will not allow ignorance like that to bring me down. There is not much I can do to change people's opinions and thoughts on the subject. They're going to say and think what they will. We as gay people just need to be stronger and rise above the hate.

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2. Thanks, I intend on staying strong

and working with other progressives. :party:

[walldude]

3. Almost at 1000 myself..

Congrats..
Nice to see that it's not only the Christians that throw science out the window, maybe they can blame the Flu on gays as well.

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16. Congrats to you too!

I'm sure you pushed past 1000 by now. :party: :party:

[Warren DeMontague]

4. William Donohue. World Class Asshat. nt

[seabeyond]

5. i understand the battle, and i know it is not with the gay community,

liberal catholics...........i see the manipulation going on with the religious in the cruelsest of ways

i appreciate how you put your post together. very articulate, very diplomatic. i hope this thread proceeds in that manner. it is something we have to talk about. become one on this and strong

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10. Thanks seabeyond

We really need to work together. Liberal christians who understand that vicious anti-gay rhetoric needs to be effectively countered, not apologized for are going to be ESSENTIAL to countering Rovian strategy. Let's work together.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

6. Check out the 3rd clip from the top called psycho(s)

I don't know what that thing is about but it is real disturbing. I think it has something to do with lesbians.

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9. It is really disturbing, but interesting in a film theory way. n/t

[Freedom_from_Chains]

17. Yeah, but what is it about? n/t

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18. I have a few ideas, but who knows if they're accurate

I think that this film was supposed to show that there was absolutely no difference between the original and the remake. They were frame by frame almost identical (inotherwords, why remake). I think it is pointing to the lack of innovation coming out of mainstream Hollywood today.

But, aesthetically, the effect is totally different than the intent. Aesthetically, it feels like we are watching the murder of 2 women, of 2 women in the shower morphing in and out of one another in an almost sexually explicit way. Then when the murder comes in, it 'feels' to me like a murder of two women naked in the shower: two screams, two bodies layered on top of one another.

I have a feeling that this is not the original intent of the creator, but being a lesbian, the clip is powerfully freaky and I really couldn't finish viewing it. That is not a dig at the movie clip at all, rather a testament to its power, I think.

[dxstone]

27. This was an experimental remake...

The director, Gus van Sant, was intentionally trying to match this and other sequences in the original film nearly frame-for-frame, only in color this time... I read about it but never saw the new one; not sure if the person who put together the semi-transluscent match of the two prints reversed any of the angles, or if this was van Sant's doing...
Apparently, he did a good enough job at remaking the first one SO precisely that it was pretty much panned by the critics as a rather boring exercise at best...
But this comparison thing was pretty interesting...
And your analysis even moreso...
:P
DXS
"I LOVE horror movies, man... I just don't want to LIVE in one."
http://presidentevilonline.com

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28. yes, I agree

"I love horror movies. I don't want to live in one." A very nice sentiment. I'm a big 70s horror movie fan myself (Argento, etc.) I hate all these remakes. We've lost our originality, our thinking skills are going to shit. And hate and stupidity is expanding exponentially.

I think lately, this board has been a testament to the growing inability to assess situations in a critical way.

[dxstone]

31. I know what you mean...

It does seem to beg the question of whether liberals at large have what it takes to band together in any effective way... religious libs in particular like to say they support people of variant sexuality, but at the same time state that they must stand by their religion and make not a peep of protest, even when their neocon and neonazi leaders regularly issue edicts of judgement and condemnation upon a whole segment of society that has done NOTHING wrong... the fact that homosexuality occurs in the same ratio in animal populations across the board (10-11%) as it does in humans would be indicative of how completely off the mark they are in this area, if they were actually willing to look at such evidence with an open mind... but ancient dogma precludes the rational examination of these questions; God would never tolerate his sheeple actually thinking for themselves, or coloring outside the lines...
As I see it, the Control Boys have made it their business to play all of us against each other endlessly these last 30 years or so, to slice and dice and divide the populace at every possible juncture point imaginable; when the shit comes down, I'm afraid many will simply play out their programs faithfully...
And instead of a populist movement or uprising that brings all together, we'll instead see race riots and religious pogroms and lynchings, as black fights white fights red fights yellow, while Green Party faithful fight those guys in the Blue Man Group...
And every race will fight as if they were the only somehow "pure" race of people on the earth; and men will fight women, and straights will fight gays will go toe to toe with transsexuals and hermaphrodites in special tag-team matches, in huge arenas for the entertainment of the more privileged masses, who will viddy all the lovely tolchoks and manglings and red, red croovy on tap and find it all very good indeed...
And the Macheads will throw down with the PC users on streetcorners at the drop of a hat, and go at it til The Last Nerd Standing...
And cat people will fight dog people like, like, I don't even know what!...
And "American Indians" will battle "Indian Indians" for control of gambling interests (and everyone will want to get in on THAT bet)...
And Christians will fight Muslims will fight Jews, and Catholics will fight Protestants will fight Jews will fight Amish, and Buddhists will wire-fu it out with Hari Krishnas in airports, while all the Mormons go underground with their harem of wives to work on building their own personal armies of warrior sons and daughters, in hopes of keeping the family name alive thru the next several cold, withering centuries of darkness and decay on planet Earth...
And meanwhile, thru it all, the rich Republican snooter-pigs will be up in their ivory towers, laughing their asses off and sipping rare wines and sawin' on a golden fiddle they got from the Devil hisself...
How does one counter this offensive? There is really nothing more optimum to a warrior (see the Art of War) than finding ways to avoid contesting with your enemies at all... the very NEXT best thing, and really better in many ways, is getting them to fight each other INSTEAD of you.
Divide and conquer. A house divided against itself cannot stand.
If we the currently disenfranchised, in ALL our myriad forms, cannot come together to resist this very real and dangerous threat, the rise of this terrible New World Order, I have this terrible feeling that, just as in the Biblical prophecy, ultimately NO FLESH shall survive.
And my hopes for unity aren't real high right now...
D X Stone
"I LOVE horror movies, man... I just don't want to LIVE in one."

ps: Check out my site if you get a chance, I think you might enjoy it...
http://presidentevilonline.com

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32. Great and Hilarious Post.

Seriously. We are all splitting into infinite fragments. We need to be dishing out spin, not accepting it.

I hope DU agnostics and atheists will stop badgering the religious on their personal private beliefs.

I hope the religious on DU will take an honest look at what their religions are doing and take them to task instead of apologizing for them.

We have to stand for one another's rights or we will ALL lose out to theocracy and economic thieving.

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7. We are all being used against one another.

The fact that under the violent anti-gay rhetoric it reads "anti-religious bias" is almost pure propoganda. Extremely creepy. I am going to put together a post on some GLBT history and how some of our histories intersect so that we can come together a bit on these issues.

I have read some on Catholicism, and lived in Mexico City for awhile (and in Texas for longer) I know first hand that all Catholics aren't gaybashers. In fact, there are gay Catholics and ethnic gay Catholics. We're not talking about a rift between one group another another here.

I also want to work with folks on figuring this out. Maybe we need a GLBT scholarship group on DU so that we can work on our research together and present our research as a group. Maybe we should have a GLBT and Religion discussion group.

I'm trying to come up with constructive possibilities.

[prole_for_peace]

8. Oh my GAWD!!!

That was amazing. Did he say, at the end, that it is a "politically correct" disease? :wtf:

So..pissed..off..right..now.

[blogbear]

11. What a bunch of crap on that clip..Are they demanding an apology

from the green monkey too?

[InfoMinister]

12. Any Way We Can Get Some Videos That Benefit Our Side Up To The Top?

Maybe we should search around for the best ones and get them up to the top spots. I mean right now all we're doing is getting an anti-gay video higher on the top lists aren't we?

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13. Yes, but people should see the video so they can react to it.

We should DEFINITELY work on getting ours up there too. My partner and I are finishing a movie that parodies the gay agenda, we've been working on it for a year. A clip will definitely go up.

I think that video clip also shows what we're up against. It shows how hateful certain religious leaders are. I think keeping anti-gay rhetoric out of the closet is a good thing.

We all need to be very clear on what is going on.

[Mnemosyne]

14. Congrats readmore!!

Thanks for such a thought-provoking post. It pissed me off. I guess blacks should apologize for being black, women for being women, etc., etc. They have no understanding of nature or genetics, obviously. Much better to condemn others out of ignorance and the help of "God's word". :grr:

I am pre-deleting the rest of what I would have said if I were not a peaceful person with manners. Is that guy a priest? Hopefully he's not breeding! What is it that ignorance breeds? Ah, yes, repukes.

Have a good one!:toast: :party: :hi: :woohoo: :patriot: of the DU!

[readmoreoften]

15. Yes, very vile stuff on MSNBC.

For those who don't have stable connections:

"The gay community have yet to apologize to straight people for all the damage they've done contaminating the blood supply in NYC and around the country."

If you watch the documentary The Architects of Doom, we see very similar metaphors made about Jews: infecting the population and being vectors of disease and insanity (Zyklon B was an insecticide, a cleanser.)

Reminder. The banner under this clip does not read: "Gays/Religious Face Off" or "Discussing AIDS today" or "Catholics on Gays" it says... ANTI-RELIGIOUS BIAS and the panel includes this man, Pat Robertson and one gay man.

This is very dangerous and we need to DISSECT these media images, discuss them, and work within our communities to fight them.

[readmoreoften]

19. Okay, can some of you...

keeped this kicked so we can have a dialogue about where to go next?

The point of this is to do to things:

*to understand that rabid rhetoric being sent out over the airwaves by ALL the rabid religious factions.
*to start collecting the rhetoric and figuring out ways to dismantle 'it' so that it doesn't dismantle us.
*to see if anyone is interested in starting a group to come together on these issues: the religious, GLBTs, and religious GLBTs.

Thanks~
RMO

[Pushed To The Left]

20. You nailed it!

"the very existence of outspoken gay people fighting for their rights is considered anti-religious bias."

Sadly, this is true. The religious right wraps themselves in the flag and waves the Bible. Therefore, in their sick minds, anybody who disagrees with them is not only "anti-American", but "anti-Christian" as well! There is a harcore rightwing talk show host named Laura Ingraham. She played a clip of somebody speaking out against anti-gay discrimination, then exclaimed,"that statement is a slap in the face to all people of faith!"

www.aclu.org
www.au.org
www.pfaw.org
www.tolerance.org

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21. This should be combined with the Homosexuals Hate God thread

This is meme that is travelling through our culture at a violent rate. At first it was GOD HATES FAGS, which was universally unacceptable, not because gay people aren't despicable but because GOD would never hate. Now we have FAGS HATE GOD, which is an equally destructive meme but puts the bad guys and good guys in the 'politically correct' order.

FAGS HATE GOD
FAGS HATE YOU
FAGS HATE AMERICA

I can see it on the horizon:

It started as the War on Poverty.
Was dropped for the War on Drugs.
Was dropped for the War on Terror.
Was dropped for the War on Iraq.
Was ignored for the War on Homosexuality
Which was a code for War on Gays
Which will end in a War on Progressives
Which will be code for War on Us All.

[neebob]

22. And you think Rove did this because ...?

Why him?

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24. Who cares if it's Rove or a committee of Roves

They've been working on ways to segregate Catholics from Democrats for the past 20 years and it's finally taking root in a clash between Catholics and abortion/gays.

This video clip shows two religious leaders with one gay man. One of the religious leaders is stating that the gay community needs to apologize to the straight community instead of asking for rights. Under this headline it states ANTI-RELIGIOUS BIAS.

NPR, now PBS, and Fox News have all been taking over by the Spin Wing of the Bush Admin. Why not MSNBC?

[neebob]

25. Well, I don't know much about Catholic stuff

but I see the church doing enough, all by itself, to needs Rove's help. He's probably too busy with the judicial activism thing, anyway.

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26. They are stealing the language of resistance.

My point is that there are 'talking points' being orchestrated.

One of those points is criticizing fundamentalists (catholic ones included) over their stance on gays is 'hate speech against religion'.

They are wholesale lifting the language we use to point out how we are abused: bias, hate speech, bashing. All these ideas are being co-opted by the socially powerful. Now the resistance is oppressing the dominant forces in culture.

*gays who resent the social policies of various religons are BIASED. (Just like Dan Rather and the 'liberal media') while Catholic schools fire lesbian teachers and Catholic hospitals refuse to let long term partners visit each other on their death beds.
*When gays yell 'The Church is Homophobic' it is HATE SPEECH, but when the Pope says 'Gays are part of the New Ideology of Evil' it is just doctrine. When Falwell says he would 'Kill any gay man who approached him' that was just some old codger spouting off.
*When gays say that 'Ratzinger is an Asshole for the Crap He has Spouted' it is BASHING, but when a man in Austin is beaten and forced to sodomize himself at gun and swordpoint while people chant bible verses over him, it is ignored. The only article on the case is in the University of Texas' Daily Texan.

To tell gays that they are BIASED, BASHING, and USING HATE SPEECH is to use our language against us when we try to defend ourselves. And this is not the first time that we have seen Rove/Gingrich and all the other spinmeisters use our language to destroy us.

And now these same Rovian talking points are filtering down to DU.

[gollygee]

23. What a complete ass

Wow.

[dxstone]

29. When will the church learn that it's not a choice?

People don't choose homosexuality; they are MADE homosexual when they are molested by their first priest.
Ha-HAAA! (joking here!)
Seriously, though... should gays apologize directly to the new Nazi Pope, then?

"EVERYONE repeat after me (I COMMAND you!):"



"The gays in Spain stay mainly on the plain!
The gays in Spain must be loaded on the train!"

These guys in Rome spend too much time alone.
The hope for Pope rests wholly on this Holy Dope.

"I LOVE horror movies, man... I just don't want to LIVE in one."
http://presidentevilonline.com

[brettdale]

30. I perfer "GEORGE BUSH STUMBLES OVER SOVEREIGNTY"

Its on the political section of

http://www.ifilm.com/viralvideo