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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 11:31 AM
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45 DEM Senators Represent 3.4 Million More than 55 Republicans
Here's some interesting info.

This is why 51 Senators should not be able to ram stuff through the Senate.

Here's my calculations based on state by state population. Source is http://www.census.gov/population/projections/state/stpj...

I made the following assumptions. If your state had 2 Republican Senators, then the entire population went into the Republican total. If your state had 2 Democratic Senators, then the entire population went into the Democrats total.

States represented by 1 Dem and 1 Repub would have the population divided evenly. These would be a wash, and are not included in my numbers.

U.S. Population Represented by Democratic Senators: 119,065,000
U.S. Population Represented by Republican Senators: 115,721,000





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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 11:33 AM
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1. I recently read that the Dems represent 161 million, the R's 131million
but I can't remember where I read that - the New Yorker, maybe? It certainly sounds as if, no matter how you calculate it, it's government by the minority.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 11:39 AM
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3. Not quite.
More like tyranny by the minority.
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 12:21 PM
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10. I think that calculation takes split states and gives the total to both
the R and D columns rather than splitting the population half and half.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 11:36 AM
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2. Why Progressives Lose: Affirmative Action for Conservatives
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 11:39 AM
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4. That's why they are called "Senators" and not "representatives"
Explain to me why there are so many more republican representatives when there are more democrats than republicans nationwide.

(okay, gerrymandering districts is one)

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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 11:45 AM
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6. Has nothing to do with gerrymandering
While members of congress represent more or less equal number of people, each state will always have two senators. The sparsely populated states of the mountain regions have two senators, just like California and New York.

And if we know that generally the sparsely populated states send Republicans while the densely populated states send Democrats - the result, really, is not surprising, at least, in hindsight.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 01:17 PM
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15. Gerrymandering has a LOT to do with representatives not
being more accurately reflective of their party.

I didn't say that gerrrymandering had anything to do with senators, as they are elected statewide.
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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 11:40 AM
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5. this is an excellent talking point
You should send it to Reid ---

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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 12:02 PM
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7. I believe we should have National senators!
51 total.

Elect 17 every two years. Everyone gets to vote. Top 17 win!

Just trying to make democracy actually work.

I will be working on the House later.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 12:02 PM
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8. Because the way the senate is set up.
Wyoming gets the same amount of senators as California. With the difference in population, that's ridiculous.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 12:32 PM
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13. Each state gets two Senators to represent the State's interests
Representatives are to represent the constituents.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 01:05 PM
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14. I don't think that's fair, though.
This means some people are more represented than others. People should get equal representation. Who cares about "states"? State aren't people.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 01:38 PM
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18. States have their own concerns
We elect Representatives and Senators at the state-level, too. The entire state government is then represented in the Senate.
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morgan2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 12:05 PM
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9. start a "draft puerto rico" campaign
Get them to change their minds about becoming a state..
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Lone Pawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 12:24 PM
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11. What did you do with Jeffords?
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 12:30 PM
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12. He Caucuses (sp) with the Dems, so I counted him with us.
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ngreene Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 01:33 PM
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16. I mentioned this to a
republican friend and he stated that many of the Dem. U.S. Senators actually represent far fewer than what the what we think. He said that illegal immigrants are counted in the census and most are from dem. senate seats.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 05:17 PM
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22. Hi ngreene!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 01:37 PM
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17. I would like to redo your analysis
and split the state populations with both a Dem and Rep Senator. Just to clarify, you left out those populations from your conclusion? So I could take your total and then add in the split states?
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 02:20 PM
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19. Which is precisely the reason the Senate is a deliberative body as
Edited on Fri Apr-22-05 02:22 PM by Walt Starr
opposed to the House's reactionary body. It was called the "Great Compromise" and is also why the filibuster has a 200+ year history.

If we choose to go by just population rather than party breakdown, more than half of the populace is represented in the Senate by only 20 Senators. Simply put, more than half the pop[ulation resides in only ten states.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 02:24 PM
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20. This is no suprise to me...
Because a state with 100,000 people has as much representation as one with 10,000,000 in the Senate. And republicans win outright in the tiny populated, large western states.

Now the reason why we dont have a majority in the House, that is more damning (republicans redrawing districts to help them).
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 02:42 PM
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21. "Well, we're a Republic, not a Democracy!"
I'm not sure why this makes it right, but it's the favorite freeper defense to any criticism of improper representation in our government.
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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 05:23 PM
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23. We're a democracy, period.
Don't let that shit slide.

If they don't believe in democracy, then they should move to another country.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 05:44 PM
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27. I don't let it slide. It's a meaningless statement that dodges the issue.
I'm surprised they don't try to get more milage out of it though. e.g.:

Liberal: "The Bush Administration has needlessly sent thousands to their deaths and squandered billions of dollars in a war based on lies."

Conservative: "Well deal with it. This is a Republic, not a Democracy."
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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 05:24 PM
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24. Great statistics
Thank you!
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 05:32 PM
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25. A better calculation
Because a Senator represents ALL the people in the state, you should not split states or discount them. Just add the entire state population to the party total. Your grand total will have 2X the national population, but your percentages will be more accurate.
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 05:43 PM
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26. No shit sherlock. Every states gets the same amount of senators.
It's been that way for 216 years.
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