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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 03:39 PM
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Iraq: Women illegally detained, raped and sexually violated by military
http://www.gnn.tv/headlines/2218/Sexual_Violence_Agains...


By Kristen McNutt, Researcher, Association of Humanitarian Lawyers
Republished from uruknet.info

Iraqi female detainees illegally detained, raped and sexually violated by United States military personnel.

Iraqi female detainees have been illegally detained, raped and sexually violated by United States military personnel. Women who stay at home in traditional roles are more likely to be imprisoned as bargaining chips by US troops seeking to pressurize male relatives, according to the New Statesman1.

In December 2003, a woman prisoner, Noor, smuggled out a note stating that US guards at Abu Ghraib had been raping women detainees and forcing them to strip naked. Several of the women were now pregnant2. The classified enquiry launched by the US military, headed by Major General Antonio Taguba, has confirmed the note by Noor and that sexual violence against women at Abu Ghraib took place. Among the 1,800 digital photographs taken by US guards inside Abu Ghraib there were, according to Tagubas report, images of naked male and female detainees; a male Military Police guard having sex with a female detainee; detainees (of unspecified gender) forcibly arranged in various sexually explicit positions for photographing; and naked female detainees3.

The Bush administration has refused to release photographs of Iraqi women prisoners at Abu Ghraib, including those of women forced at gunpoint to bare their breasts, although these have been shown to Congress4.

UK Member of Parliament Ann Clwyd (L) has confirmed a report of an Iraqi woman in her 70s who had been harnessed and ridden like a donkey at Abu Ghraib and another coalition detention centre after being arrested last July. Clwyd said: She was held for about six weeks without charge. During that time she was insulted and told she was a donkey5.

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Champ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 03:43 PM
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1. Uhhh I hate hearing that shit
That is terrible. No one deserves to go through that shit.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 03:48 PM
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3. and I hate posting it, but
I feel obligated. I hope a 'lurker' or two will take a moment to reflect on this and do some soul searching.
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Champ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 05:54 PM
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41. I know, I understand why you did it - To Raise Awareness
Edited on Sat Apr-16-05 05:54 PM by Champ
I was just commenting on the article.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 05:56 PM
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43. Yes
I agree. But it is war and what happens. Maybe if people realize what happens during war they'll stop. :\ I wonder what will happen when these guys come home. How will their psyche's handle it?
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 09:39 PM
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70. I know war is filled with such
and I am not sure what it says. It's not part of the job. Some kind of sick group mind? I am always concerned how they will deal with it once out of the setting (not to mention what we leave them with)

But the lines from Lovelace's poem always come to mind when I read of these horrors. The "To Lucasta, Going to the Wars" lines

True, a new mistress now I chase,
The first foe in the field;
And with a stronger faith embrace
A sword, a horse, a shield.

Yet this inconstancy is such
As you too shall adore;
I could not love thee, dear, so much,
Loved I not honor more.


Now I don't know if Lovelace came home from war feeling that way...but honor is the last thing most of these guys will be able to feel.

War is never pretty and this is a dishonorable war to start with but their behavior is...beyond dishonorable.

Maybe soldiers act with honor and all politicians with honesty and statesmanship in Lake Woebegone, "Where are the men are handsome, all the women are strong and all the children are above average."
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 03:45 PM
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2. Clarification...
"It is well known that the US has a culture of rape: one in six women in the United States has experienced an attempted or completed sexual assault."

The statistic is one in THREE.

And those are only the ones that are reported.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 04:17 PM
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4. How long is this going to take before justice steps in?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 04:37 PM
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5. It won't stop until we're out of there.
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 04:43 PM
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8. it won't stop in the world until the conflation of sex & violence stops

Religions and cultures based on misogyny don't help either.

Feminism: the radical notion that women are people.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 04:48 PM
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12. Sorry to say, as a feminist, I don't know that it is possible for
this species to divorce sex from violence.

And, am not at all happy about holding this opinion :(
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 05:07 PM
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21. yeah, I'm with ya on that
I just feel a cold numbness. No words left, just a heavy sigh.

Certainly I have always noticed that cases of violence against women are either underreported or reported more in terms of their titillation/shock value (always along with appropriate tsk-tsk noises so no one thinks anyone might be getting off on the torture of women.) Of course, systematized abuse, permitted by powerful administrators, gets no attention; acts by lone serial crazies get loads.

Remember Elton John's song about Marilyn Monroe, noting that "all the papers had to say that Marilyn was found in the nude"?

rambling. Back to speechlessness..... :(
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 05:13 PM
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24. We need a little Helen Reddy here.
Another thing, a couple of years ago I read that the well being of a society had a very direct correlation to its violence (or lack of violence) against women. Don't have a link but could go ask for one from friends.

This is as serious as heart attack.

There is nothing these people will do to others that won't come home to us.

And, the idea that my tax dollars are paying for starvation, rape and torture -- well, there are no words for that.

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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 02:09 AM
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75. Hear the beat of the Y-chromosome tom-tom's...
I'm not saying that women can't be and aren't violent, I'm just saying that it's men who bring us violence in the street, men who bring us bar room brawls and watch stupid TV shows like Cops, men who bring us weapons manufacture and arms dealing and gunshows, men who cover up scandals like this and a hundred million other military imbroglios, tragedies and FUBAR's, men who bring us rape, and finally -- men who bring us war and rush headlong into it with a "can-o'-whoop-ass mentality"...I'm just sayin'

Please don't flame me, boys. I go into a blue funk when I read this kind of shit.

Nobody loves ya more than me, men are capable of being noble and tenderhearted and peace-makers, and I know dozens who are just that. I just think there is a connection of gender to violence and warmongering, that's all. Or perhaps it's a tradition, but it's maddening all the same.

It is sooooo effing unfair that we women have to spend our lives watching where we park, looking over our shoulder as we walk down the street, double-checking the locks on the doors... teaching our daughters at a young age to be "aware". "There are bad touches and good touches..." "No, you can't play in the front yard." Aaarrggh!

And then to see our boys (and girls) over there -- the troops that every fucking SUV-covered yellow ribbon says that we are supposed to be "supporting"-- guilty of the worst kind of sadism and violence against defenseless people of any gender, just sickens my soul. It is indefensable.
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 04:38 PM
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6. enraged, silent kick
what can I say?
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wookie294 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 04:40 PM
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7. Abu Ghraib is the TRUE FACE of America's military
I once supported the troops, but NO MORE!

The troops who mutiny or become deserters should receive help from all of us.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 04:53 PM
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13. have you seen "Unfinished Symphony"?
Edited on Sat Apr-16-05 04:54 PM by G_j
description here:
http://www.nlprod.com/SymphonyPage/AbouttheFilm.htm

there is a stunning segment where a Vietnam vet discusses how he came to realize that in the end, he was ultimately responsible for every action he took in Vietnam. I would love to have the exact quote, this Vet said it so well.
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femme.democratique Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 05:14 PM
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25. The military is a KILLING MACHING. If you WILLINGLY ENLIST...
...YOU ARE CULPABLE. Support the troops my ass, IMO most of our military are just trained killing robots who used the military and willingly kill for money. I'm sick of this shit.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 09:19 AM
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85. Conditions of Atrocity, by RJ Lifton (Harvard Psychiatrist)
from the Nation Magazine http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20040531&s=li...



Even before the Congressional hearings on the criminal abuse of Iraqi detainees at Abu Ghraib prison, Colin Powell brought up My Lai, the Vietnamese village where, in 1968, American troops slaughtered more than 400 civilians, mostly old people, women and children. He cited it as the kind of thing that can happen in wars. I also thought of My Lai, but for somewhat different reasons.

Both Abu Ghraib and My Lai are examples of what I call an "atrocity-producing situation"--one so structured, psychologically and militarily, that ordinary people, men or women no better or worse than you or I, can regularly commit atrocities. In Vietnam that structure included "free-fire zones" (areas in which soldiers were encouraged to fire at virtually anyone); "body counts" (with a breakdown in the distinction between combatants and civilians, and competition among commanders for the best statistics); and the emotional state of US soldiers as they struggled with angry grief over buddies killed by invisible adversaries and with a desperate need to identify some "enemy."

The Iraq military environment is quite different from that of Vietnam, but there are some striking parallels. Iraq is also a counterinsurgency war in which US soldiers, despite their extraordinary firepower, feel extremely vulnerable in a hostile environment, and in which higher-ranking officers and war planners feel frustrated by the great difficulty of tracking down or even recognizing the enemy. The exaggerated focus on interrogation, including the humiliation of detainees as a "softening-up" process, reflects that frustration.

We can thus speak of a three-tier dynamic. Foot soldiers--in this case MPs and civilian contractors--do the dirty work, as either orchestrated or at least sanctioned by military intelligence officers in charge of interrogation procedures. The latter in turn act on pressure from higher-ups to extract information that will identify "insurgents" and possibly lead to hidden weapons.


more at link.....

I saw this man lecture on UCTV last night, he was very informative of how our soldiers get caught up in a "atrocity-producing environment"
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 04:45 PM
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9. We need one more nomination, folks.
When the Abu Graib story broke in the corporate media, I'd already read about it at warblogging.com

And Donald Rumsfeld pretended surprise, said, "Oh, that is a tactic of terrorists. There will always be complaints." I remember word for word because it was so horrifying to hear.

And shortly after, he launched into a complaint about digital cameras.

We can have NO illusions about these people. They are monsters.

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 04:57 PM
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16. Right, clearly the digital cameras were the problem. nt
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 04:46 PM
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10. Can you spell ICC?
It's painfully obvious that the United States is incapable of reigning in the monster created by Gonzalez and Rummy.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 04:48 PM
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11. recommended
:kick:
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 04:55 PM
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14. So does anyone remember....
that there was a whole barrel of "far worse" (that quote from some of our elected representatives, including our illustrious democrats) Abu Ghraib evidence allegedly coming down the pike... photos, film, etc. etc. That magically vanished off the radar screen with the Nick Berg beheading? The media pulled it's biggest "hey- let's change the subject" since the Anthrax investigation started pointing back to right wing white people with US Army connections... and after a week or two, no one seemed to care.

So, what happened to all that material? Anyone?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 04:59 PM
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17. I remember. And remember watching C-Span and seeing
both members of the Senate AND the House talking -- watched their faces and body language. They seemed nauseated. And, they let it vanish anyway.

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 05:01 PM
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18. "Why we'll never see the second round of Abu Ghraib photos"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/040105Z.shtml

The Pentagon's Secret Stash

By Matt Welch
Reason Magazine

April 2005 Edition

Why we'll never see the second round of Abu Ghraib photos.

The images, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told Congress, depict "acts that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel, and inhuman." After Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.) viewed some of them in a classified briefing, he testified that his "stomach gave out." NBC News reported that they show "American soldiers beating one prisoner almost to death, apparently raping a female prisoner, acting inappropriately with a dead body, and taping Iraqi guards raping young boys." Everyone who saw the photographs and videos seemed to shudder openly when contemplating what the reaction would be when they eventually were made public.

But they never were. After the first batch of Abu Ghraib images shocked the world on April 28, 2004, becoming instantly iconic-a hooded prisoner standing atop a box with electrodes attatched to his hands, Pfc. Lynndie England dragging a naked prisoner by a leash, England and Spc. Charles Graner giving a grinning thumbs-up behind a stack of human meat-no substantial second round ever came, either from Abu Ghraib or any of the other locations in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Guantanamo Bay where abuses have been alleged. ABC News broadcast two new photos from the notorious Iraq prison on May 19, The Washington Post printed a half-dozen on May 20 and three more on June 10, and that was it.

"It refutes the glib claim that everything leaks sooner or later," says the Federation of American Scientists' Steven Aftergood, who makes his living finding and publishing little-known government information and fighting against state secrecy. "While there may be classified information in the papers almost every day, there's a lot more classified information that never makes it into the public domain."

It's not for lack of trying, at least from outside the government. Aftergood, for example, sent a Freedom of Information Act request to the Defense Department on May 12, asking generally for "photographic and video images of abuses committed against Iraqi prisoners" and specifically for the material contained on three compact discs mentioned by Rumsfeld in his testimony. The Defense Department told him to ask the U.S. Central Command, which sent him back to Defense, which said on second thought try the Army's Freedom of Information Department, which forwarded him to the Army's Crime Records Center, which hasn't yet responded. "It's not as if this is somehow an obscure matter that no one's quite ever heard of," Aftergood notes.

..more..

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 09:08 PM
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68. Thank you. I'm not surprised, at all. nt
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 01:47 AM
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74. "...there's a lot more classified information

that never makes it into the public domain."

Well, there's a HELL of a lot more classified information that never makes it into the public domain since the * administration, that's for damned sure!
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 04:57 PM
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15. Recommended.
This issue will receive no Media or National attention unless the pictures are released and posted on the Internet!

It is a priority to obtain video or photographic evidence and publish it.

According to the bush* administration, torture and criminal abuse is not the problem....the problem is pictures of torture and criminal abuse!

In order to stop the torturers and abusers, their names and faces must be made public!!

Any of OUR represenatives who have seen this evidence and conspired to keep this evidence SECRET are CO-CONSPIRATORS and Accesories after the Fact.

We should petition the represenatives who have this knowlege to DEMAND the release of ALL evidence of Crimes committed by the bush* administration and our military, or face criminal indictments!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 05:02 PM
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19. You're right. They are criminally complicit through their inaction.
Edited on Sat Apr-16-05 05:05 PM by sfexpat2000
Let's not be complicit through ours.

In the 2004 election forum, we shut down the Capitol Hill phones and fax machines on the day Boxer and others challenged Ohio. That's when I knew we have a bit of power here.

We need a plan. It's all well and good, probably necessary, for us to vent. What are we willing to DO?

/edit for clarity

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 05:11 PM
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23. difficult when people refuse to believe these things, but
Edited on Sat Apr-16-05 05:11 PM by G_j
perhaps there is something to the idea of holding elected officials who have seen the other photos responsible for complicity in crimes.
I wonder? Any lawyers out there?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 05:24 PM
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30. I fear it's sort of worse than that. No one wants to believe that
our people could engage in this kind of behavior. (And the whole of the denial ends up brutalizing everyone involved.)

I'd be willing to collect sources this week into a package. Will need the international media for obvious reasons.

Once we have that, what would be the next step?

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 05:33 PM
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33. that is a tough one
Edited on Sat Apr-16-05 05:36 PM by G_j
a light bulb went off again for me when I heard a discussion of how the public has backed off on it's interest in the Michael Jackson trial this week because of the 'icky' subject matter.

If one could get a well researched compilation on this out there, would people read it?

I'm also still thinking of how we might publicly shame some of our reps into action.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 05:38 PM
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36. Thinking . . . .
You know, when we shut down the Capitol phone system AND got Ohio challenged, it was barely in the news.

Maybe a two-step: We put pressure on Congress and somehow help the public surf this. The latter will not be easy or maybe even, possible.

This project will depend upon those of us who have a cast iron stomach getting through to Congress. And that I know we can do.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 05:54 PM
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42. in the big picture we are looking at a myriad of war crimes
Edited on Sat Apr-16-05 05:58 PM by G_j
from the use of illegal weapons to the cutting off of water supplies.
The real story is that there have been repeated war crimes and this is why our fearless leaders don't want to even touch it.
In another time and place we could be seeing Nuremberg type tribunals.
Most of our politicians avoid this whole matter like the plague.
Though most politicians can also be embarrassed into some sort of action.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 06:03 PM
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44. Right. Embarrassed or spurred by the job security issue.
Again, I'll be happy to take this week and put a respectable package together.

And imho, we should send it to two lists: to the criminals who are behind these horrors and also, to the Dem members who want to use it as a platform to show how out of control this misAdministraion is.

Because none or few of them will move on this out of their own humanity. But we may be able to give them an opportunity to act on the humanity they've had to squelch to stay in office. (Is that just too cynical?)

That's as far as I've gotten so far.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 06:10 PM
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48. that is great
and I will be glad to help send it out.
I don't have the lists in front of me but the lists might simply be Ds and Rs.

I don't know exactly who in Congress saw those pictures, but I can envision a special cover letter to them.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 06:27 PM
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49. What would the committee be?
Intelligence? Armed Services? Any DUer out there more savy than me? I know my Senator (DiFI) is on one of these. And, is no help at all.

Seriously, I'm still a novice. Who knows the appropriate commitee to send this package to?
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 06:34 PM
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51. Senate Armed Services Committee (Democrats agree to suppress photos)
Edited on Sat Apr-16-05 06:36 PM by G_j
(found it)

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/may2004/dems-m15.shtm...

Democrats agree to suppress photos of US torture in Iraq

By Alex Lefebvre
15 May 2004
Use this version to print | Send this link by email | Email the author

As evidence of mass torture of Iraqi detainees by US forces continues to emerge, the Senate Armed Services Committee has, through its public hearings, assumed the role of point-man in the effort of the US political establishment to conceal the dimensions of American war crimes and obscure the colonialist character of the Iraq war. True to form, congressional Democrats are playing the crucial role in shielding the chief perpetrators in the Bush White House and Pentagon.

<snip>
The secret May 12 viewing, under military guard, of 1,800 photographs of torture and sexual humiliation by members of the Senate Armed Services Committee was a graphic demonstration of the degraded state of the entire political system. Before their viewing the pictures, members of Congress were handed a written warning that if they described a photograph in such a way as to reveal the identities of the people involved, they would violate federal privacy laws. This was compounded by the pronouncement of Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John Warner, a Republican supporter of Bush and the Iraq war, warning that publicizing the photographs could have the effect of inspiring the enemy to inflict further damage to US personnel in Iraq.

Senators and congressmen were herded into a secure room on Capitol Hill by military guards and shown, in rapid succession, slides of the photographs of torture and sadistic behavior by US forces. The Los Angeles Times reported that military officers in attendance refused to comment or give details about the abuses shown in the pictures.

After the viewing, a number of senators expressed revulsion at the photographs and said they were far worse than what they had expected or what had been presented so far in the US media.

..more..
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 06:42 PM
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55. G-J! You are terrific. When I get the package together,
and,now, having a first target, may I pm you?

And let's not stop here.

In addition to this committee, who should be next? I feel sort of strongly that we should call our reps. But maybe focusing on this committee is the best first step.

Thanks from the bottom.
Beth

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 06:48 PM
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57. I was going to suggest that
please feel free to PM me with any questions ideas etc.
My week will be fairly busy but I will get back to you.

Yes lets start with this committee, but it seems every member of Congress could use a reminder.

I know there are human rights organizations etc. who have had been involved with this also. I will try to research that some too.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 06:54 PM
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58. Deal. n/t
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 05:48 PM
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38. Torture and ill-treatment of detainees in Iraqi custody
(90 page report from Human Rights Watch)

http://hrw.org/reports/2005/iraq0105 /

The New Iraq?
Torture and ill-treatment of detainees in Iraqi custody

Summary
Introduction
Recommendations
Methodology
Legal Framework
Ministry of Interior Agencies and the Iraqi National Intelligence Service
Torture and ill-treatment of members of political and armed groups
Arbitrary Arrest, torture and ill-treatment of criminal suspects
Torture and ill-treatment of children held in adult facilities
Medical examinations and investigation of torture complaints
Multinational Force advisers and reform efforts
Appendix
Acknowledgements
January 2005 Vol. 17, No. 1(D)

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 05:52 PM
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40. Thank you. Bookmarked. n/t
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 05:17 PM
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27. more like, will receive no attention until rape of men and boys is publici
publicized.

Torture and rape of women will be made available to paying porn subscribers.

As Tinoire's post illustrates, attention/outrage last year was focused on the men and boys sexually tortured at Abu Ghraib. The women of Iraq (and the raped American women soldiers, for that matter) are all but ignored.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 06:28 PM
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50. Amnesty International: Women 'bearing the brunt of war'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/4077581.stm

Women 'bearing the brunt of war'

Violence against women can be part of a deliberate plan, the report says
Amnesty International says women and girls are being targeted in conflicts around the world while the authorities do little or nothing to prevent it.
In a report called Lives Blown Apart, the organisation says these crimes persist because those who commit them know prosecutions are rare.

Despite promises, treaties and legal mechanisms, governments have failed to protect women and girls, Amnesty says.

It cites conflicts in Colombia, Iraq, Sudan, Chechnya, Nepal and Afghanistan.

The human rights group says its investigations have found that violence against women is not just a by-product of war, but often a deliberate military strategy, with women particularly targeted in ethnic cleansing campaigns.

..more..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/4077581.stm

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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 06:48 PM
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56. yep. Meanwhile, turdweasel refuses to sign CEDAW
I hate these people.

Thanks for that link!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 05:19 PM
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28. very good point
perhaps this could be an opening. Can we do a little 'arm twisting' by putting some heat on the reps who have seen the photos?
Can we shame them publicly into demanding the release of the photos?
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 05:05 PM
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20. The Women of Abu Ghraib
I don't post much anymore- too revolted by the recent loud apologetics of a sudden influx of pro-war/pro-occupation posters but here... Here's a repost of mine from last year when the apologists were trying to get us to shut up because it just couldn't possibly be that bad in the New Amerika....

-----
Do you remember the LIES that the reason Fallujah erupted was because there were "foreign" insurgents fighting and/or (because they always offer us a choice of lies from which to pick) that Sadr's men were upset that we had shut down a newspaper?

Lies. Lies. Rotten-Apple LIES!

Rumors of these atrocities have been on the internet for a while but because they weren't on the US corporate-owned media, we didn't give them enough attention.

The horrifying photos which emerged this week explain things much better than the corporate media or the apologists have ever been able to.

We heard about the men only because the "Occupation Armies" couldn't squelch the rumors and pictures began circulating on hard-core pornography sites. Soldiers had also started coming forward, horrified at what they KNEW was taking place and it was only then that the military 'realized' they had a problem & launched an 'investigation'. The first investigation, led by the Armys chief law-enforcement officer, Provost Marshal Donald Ryder, a Major General, was a whitewash report that brought a few small problems to light. The second investigation, conducted by Major General Antonio M. Taguba which was not meant for public consumption, identifies a systemic problem. What we need now is a THIRD investigation by a respectable organization such as Amnesty International (which is conveniently barred from Abu Ghraib).

There is no mention of the women at Abu Ghraib and yet it was their plight that started the uprising. They were being released from that prison and sent out in the streets in stages of undress that we Americans would consider half-naked.

Common sense alone dictates that the women underwent the same type of horrors the men did. We don't need a third investigation to know that that happened. We need a third investigation to bring these crimes to light, expose & punish those involved, and show the world that those sociopaths responsible do NOT represent the American people.

I am outraged and ashamed.

- Brigadier General Janis Karpinski
- Staff Sergeant Ivan L. Frederick II
- Sergeant Javal Davis
- Specialist Charles A. Graner
- Specialist Megan Ambuhl
- Specialist Sabrina Harman
- Private Jeremy Sivits
- Private Lynndie England

This story mustn't end with this "garden" assortment of sacrificial lambs because the Army isn't tossing out a Brigadier General over the "alleged" crimes of 7 enlisted people, only two of whom are of ranks where you are entrusted with low-level responsibilities.

BG Krapinski and these 7 sorry fools are being tossed out as a diversion to prevent us from uncovering a much larger scandal involving contract torturers from CACI International Inc, ticker symbol CAI and Titan Corp, ticker symbol TTN as well as the CIA, the DIA and every rotten organization implicated in this world-class horror.

If you have links and stories about the others involved, please post them in this thread. Please post relevant snippets or synopses of the information and not just the link.

Please. For the men over there whose lives have been recklessly endangered by the sociopaths who are willing to "do whatever it takes". For the hostages. For our mothers. For our sisters. For our daughters. For our humanity.

====================================================================

03 05 2004 (Note the date)

The newspaper reminds that militants attacked the (Abu Ghraib) prison several days ago. 22 prison guards and inmates were killed and 51 injured. The reason for this was probably a leaflet that can be seen on the outside of the prison's wall...similar leaflets are now appearing in many mosques in Baghdad...cry for help from the hostages of that Iraqi prison...

We are held in the northern sector. Attack this prison and put an end to our disgrace, and if you cannot do this for the love of the Most High, tell someone who can stick up for us or give us some 'Bahe Maneh al-Hamel'. May Allah and Iraqi patriots put an end to our tortures. 'Bahe Maneh al-Hamel' is the Arab for 'contraceptive pills'.

The women detained in Abu Ghraib are feeling ashamed when they evasively tell about the desperate situation that they are in (which any Eastern woman would experience in the conditions of constant violence committed by prison guards, new Iraqi policemen and the Americans). Any Muslim who read this message will feel his blood curdle from indignation.

<snip>

One of the Iraqis working on a contract with the US administration told La Stampa about one of such terrible episodes. He says that almost 2,500 inmates are held in that prison. The prison is divided into 4 sections. 600 inmates are women. One of them is a bank teller from Baghdad. She was put in jail in January for financial fraud. She could only be released on bail. The family collected $15,000 and this person was sent to discuss the details of release. When he saw her in a room, she had a big stomach. She was sobbing and telling that she was raped by Iraqi prison guards and American soldiers each night, and she does not want to get out of the prison. She told not to say anything to her relatives, because if she returns to Baghdad she will die from shame. :mad:

The same person said that two women already hung themselves in their cells. Another woman gave a birth in confinement. The newborn baby was a mulatto. Allegedly, the US military authorities conducted an internal investigation, but no guilty have been found.

Amnesty International is calling on the complex investigation of all cases of violence against the inmates in Iraq.

<snip>

http://www.kavkaz.org.uk/eng/article.php?id=2730
====


((with thanks to Chookie))

<snip>

The real facts are that there is report after report of US abuses; on the internet, in the back pages of our newspapers, in personal accounts that with a little luck will now make their way to mainstream press. This is not an isolated few - this is business as usual for the US military and their collaborating band of thugs in Iraq. Is it any wonder that bodies of US soldiers who fall into Iraqi hands are mutilated and displayed?

The pictures of US soldiers dishonoring Iraqi detainees came as no surprise to JUS (Jihad Unspun). We have been reporting alleged abuses since shortly after the fall of Baghdad. We received several reports over the past months of US soldiers raping Iraqi woman, only to find these photos posted to US porn sites. While these photos and reports were put down to "loose" Iraqi women (which shows a fundamental understanding of Iraq's religion and culture) we discovered later that those who were detained, some at Abu Ghraib prison, who refused to provide US officials with intelligence where given a prod to garner "cooperation" by rounding up the female relatives, forcing then into sexual acts that were filmed and then shown to their husbands, fathers and brothers and to the general public through porn sites. Now the CBS 60 Minutes II report legitimizes the incidents we have been reporting all along.

The Arab world is outraged. The Muslim Ummah is outraged. Iraqis are outraged and so are people of conscience everywhere. I pity the next soldiers that fall into Resistance hands. And contrary to its belief - America can be defeated and most likely will be defeated and dangled at the end of its own pathetic rope for all the world to see.

http://www.jihadunspun.com/intheatre_internal.php?artic...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...






The Women of Abu Ghraib.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 05:09 PM
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22. I can't even read this. There is a part of me that is so horrified
Edited on Sat Apr-16-05 05:09 PM by sfexpat2000
by the ability of the American public to just let it go -- stupefying.

I'll eat some Wheaties and make myself read. In exchange, please help me come up with a plan.

The thing is, the Cabal counts on us being taken out by fear, disgust or outrage.

Please help me disappoint them.

Beth
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 05:22 PM
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29. I wonder what can be done by those of us who are not "in" the legal system
or in politics?

Letters of this sort will be conveniently ignored by the Corporate RW media.

Female vigilante groups would be nice....
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 05:25 PM
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31. Because they still pretend our votes count, they still have to
attend to our concerns.

We need numbers. I've volunteered to put a package together. What would be the next step after that, as I just asked G_J above?
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 07:00 PM
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62. perhaps MSNBC and Washington Post?
I just posted here about editorial on MSNBC.com )see below) and in the editorial it shows a pic from WashPost of the prisoner and soldier with attack dog.

So, they are at least not entirely closing their eyes to U.S. sponsored torture. Maybe your package would make a ripple there?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 07:25 PM
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64. Maybe, But my take after dealing with the election is
first we lean on Congress. And the media follows.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 05:15 PM
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26. thanks Tinoire
your post adds greatly to this thread. I'm glad you came out of 'hiding' to post it. Thank you!

-hope all is well with you, G_j
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 05:28 PM
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32. And, to air it all out, there's more than this.
There are children in our prisons.

And women are taken hostage in Iraq when their men go missing. We are taking HOSTAGES in Iraq.
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 06:06 PM
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47. How horrible. How will it all end?
It's like all the good that I ever thought we were as a country is all going down the shitter. We may never come back from this.

I'm sickened.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 06:36 PM
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53. We can't stay with that. We have to step up to the plate.
My thinking is, we all have networks. We can apply pressure. We are not helpless by any means.

And as for our military people: anyone put into this situation, at the mercy of "orders" - and unspoken policy -- is being set up, even provoked to this behavior.

No, I'm not advocating some kind of nutty relativism. But, having never been in combat myself, I am trying to imagine what it is like to have your life shaped by a criminal policy.

I don't know if that makes any sense at all.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 05:34 PM
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34. Would you folks on this thread help me make a list of
Senators and Reps who would be most responsive? Because I just can't SIT with this.

My first two thoughts are Conyers and Boxer.

And in a way, the most neoCon Congress members should also get the package, to show them what they are up against -- informed and outraged citizens.

Maybe we need two lists: One for members who will take this up; one for members who need a reality check (Santorum, et al).

Thoughts?
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 05:36 PM
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35. Sexualized Violence Against Iraqi Women
SEXUALIZED VIOLENCE AGAINST IRAQI WOMEN
BY
US OCCUPYING FORCES
A Briefing Paper
OF
INTERNATIONAL EDUCATIONAL DEVELOPMENT
Prepared by
Kristen McNutt, Researcher, Association of Humanitarian Lawyers
Presented to
The United Nations
Commission on Human Rights
2005 Session
March
Geneva

Contact: ied@igc.org

Iraqi female detainees have been illegally detained, raped and sexually violated by United States military personnel. Women who stay at home in traditional roles are more likely to be imprisoned as bargaining chips by US troops seeking to pressurize male relatives, according to the New Statesmen (UK)<1>. In December 2003, a woman prisoner, Noor, smuggled out a note stating that US guards at Abu Ghraib had been raping women detainees and forcing them to strip naked. Several of the women were now pregnant.<2> The classified enquiry launched by the US military, headed by Major General Antonio Taguba, has confirmed the note by Noor and that sexual violence against women at Abu Ghraib took place. Among the 1,800 digital photographs taken by US guards inside Abu Ghraib there were, according to Taguba's report, images of naked male and female detainees; a male Military Police guard having sex with a female detainee; detainees (of unspecified gender) forcibly arranged in various sexually explicit positions for photographing; and naked female detainees.<3> The Bush administration has refused to release photographs of Iraqi women prisoners at Abu Ghraib, including those of women forced at gunpoint to bare their breasts (although these have been shown to Congress). <4> UK Member of Parliament Ann Clwyd (L) has confirmed a report of an Iraqi woman in her 70s who had been harnessed and ridden like a donkey at Abu Ghraib and another coalition detention centre after being arrested last July. Clwyd said: "She was held for about six weeks without charge. During that time she was insulted and told she was a donkey."<5>
The Italian journalist, Giuliana Sgrena, reports that In the middle of the night, American soldiers broke into the home of Mithal al Hassan and arrested both her and her son. The soldiers later ransacked the apartment. Denounced as part of a vendetta, Mithal was condemned without trial to eighty days of horror in the company of other women prisoners who, like her, were subjected to abuse and torture. She has since spotted her tormentors on the internet. <6> A culture of honor prevents many women from telling stories of rapes. The account given by Selwa, illustrates this. In September 2003, Selwa was taken by US military personnel to a detention facility in Tikrit, where an American of?cer lit a mixture of human feces and urine in a metal container and gave Selwa a heavy club to stir it. She recalls, The ?re from the pot felt very strong on my face. She leans forward and sweeps her hands through the air to show how she stirred the excrement. I became very tired, she says. I told the sergeant I couldnt do it. There was another man close to us. The sergeant came up to me and whispered in my ear, If you dont, I will tell one of the soldiers to fuck you. Selwa could not continue with the story.<7>An Iraqi girl, Raghada, reports that her mother, imprisoned at Abu Ghraib, was forced to eat from a toilet and was urinated on<8>.

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=11094&hd=0&size=1&l=x

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 06:05 PM
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45. Bookmarked. Thank you. n/t
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 05:40 PM
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37. Animals, who do this make good soldiers look bad.
:mad:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 05:50 PM
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39. kick
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 06:06 PM
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46. The "Culture of Life" condones the "Culture of Rape"
It is well known that the US has a culture of rape: one in six women in the United States has experienced an attempted or completed sexual assault16.
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 06:35 PM
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52. Nominated-Recommended-Kicked Etc.


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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 06:39 PM
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54. thanks chlamor
I didn't realize you had posted the same article.
Well this story can't be told too often. thanks
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 06:55 PM
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60. We should
make it a point to post this every other day as it really gets to the core of the violence of the patriarchy and how the violence inflicted on women (and children) are less important than the man on man warring.

Your post is perfect. Should be kept going through all next week in my view and hope that some will copy this and write letters to editor, tell friends/family, pass it along to students etc.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 07:09 PM
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63. Thanks, chlamor.
Edited on Sat Apr-16-05 07:09 PM by sfexpat2000
We must stop this.
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 06:54 PM
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59. again, women ignored: MSNBC.MSN.com :
Editorial entitled "Does Torture REally Work?"<snip>

Gen. Sanchez’s memo allowed for tactics such as the use of dogs (the Iraqi detainees were said to be terrified of attack dogs); subjecting prisoners to body positions that would induce physical and mental stress; the implementation of isolation techniques; manipulation of the prisoner’s environment, including disruption of his sleep cycle to confuse his body’s circadian rhythm; drastically changing the temperature in the prisoner’s cell, and even injecting “unpleasant smells” into the prisoner’s environment.

...We have all seen the pictures of prisoners stripped naked and made to lie on top of each other, detainees wearing a dog collar and leash being led around by a laughing female guard, and attack dogs allowed to approach and possible abuse prisoners. We have heard of other alleged abuses, including lit cigarettes put in the ears of prisoners and physical beatings that have contributed to or caused the death of dozens of the detainees— despite the fact that information linking the prisoners to known terrorist groups was said, at least in some cases, to be shaky at best. <end snip>

Notice its entirely in terms of male prisoners tortured for info. Not a word about women raped, killed, mutilated for the sheer hard-on.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 06:56 PM
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61. kick
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 07:54 PM
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65. I can only kick this
because I am too stunned and sad to think of anything coherent to say
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 08:41 PM
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67. Here is a list of the Senators that were on the committee...
..looking into the prisoner abuse at Abu-Gahrib.

Sen. John W. Warner (R-Va). Chairman
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.)
Sen. James M. Inhofe (R-Okla.)
Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.)
Sen. Wayne Allard (R-Colo.)
Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.)
Sen. Susan M. Collins (R-Maine)
Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.)
Sen. Jim Talent (R-Mo.)
Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.)
Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.)
Sen. Elizabeth Dole (R-N.C.)
Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas)
Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) Ranking Member
Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.)
Sen. Robert C. Byrd (D-W.Va.)
Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (D-Conn.)
Sen. Jack Reed (D-R.I.)
Sen. Daniel K. Akaka (D-Hawaii)
Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.)
Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.)
Sen. Mark Dayton (D-Minn.)
Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.)
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.)
Sen. Mark Pryor (D-Ark.)
Sen. Bill Frist (R-Tenn.), Senate Majority Leader
http://www.4law.co.il/rum1.htm

Senator Joseph Biden (D-Del) was also on the committee, but for some reason he didn't make this list. I clearly remembered his grandstanding for the cameras.

Lindsey Graham also got in his share of camera mugging where he threatened Rumsfeld not to merely scapegoat a few low ranking soldiers, but to follow this up the chain of Command.

Sen. McCain also displayed disgust for Rumsfeld when Rumsfeld refused to provide the Chain of Command (responsibility) for the soldiers at Abu-Gahrib.

Everyone on this committee was also shown the pictures that detailed further abuse that was said (whispered rumors) to include video rapes of women and children.

As they emerged ashen faced from the closed and secured room where they viewed the evidence of War Crimes, they ALL pledged to not rest until justice was done.

No Justice Has Been Done!!!.

We need a legal opinion.
If these Senators have observed evidence of War Crimes and have kept silent, have they committed a crime?
As far as I'm concerned, they are Accessories to War Crimes.
If so, maybe legal action can be initiated.

Perhaps a website could be set up to collect and organize funding and publicity for legal action against the Senators who are participating in a cover up.


Obtaining Pictures and/or Video is a MUST before the general public can be awakened from their denial and blind obedience to the bush* LIES and Propaganda. I have doubts that the evidence of War Crimes shown to the Senators would be covered under FOI, but it might be worth an attempt. Publicity can be generated from a FOI attempt even if it fails.

There MUST be other sources of video and photographs. I know some returning Iraq veterans must have private collections. I have seen websites that have horrific photos of dead Iraqis. Somewhere there MUST be returning soldiers that still have Photos or Video of Torture and Rape if it is anywhere near as widespread as I believe.
There are probably sources inside Iraq that also have pictures, but I would not have the first clue where to begin looking.


There are some Iraq veterans on DU, and there is an Iraq Veterans Against the War organization. They would be the people who would know where to look. Al-Jazeera and Iraqi media might also have some pictures or Video, but Chain of Custody would be more questionable from this source.

I will work to get this into the mainstream. I will keep kicking tonight and tomorrow to see if someone comes up with a co-ordinating plan or other avenues or sources for investigation.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 10:56 PM
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71. Thank you.
I'm putting together a package to stick into some Congressional faces.

If you find anything you'd like included, post it here, or pm me.

Beth
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 10:59 PM
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72. thank you!
that is the list

I also think that there has to be human rights or other organizations who are trying to get access to the photos.
(If anyone can recall hearing about this please chime in)

>"If these Senators have observed evidence of War Crimes and have kept silent, have they committed a crime? As far as I'm concerned, they are Accessories to War Crimes"<

I agree, & I really want to find out more about this.

thanks so much for you help and input!




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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 08:17 PM
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66. Our troops are conditioned to be testerone-filled killing machines
Is anyone surprised?
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SouthernDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 09:13 PM
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69. Check original link before drawing conclusions:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 11:01 PM
Response to Reply #69
73. These reports have been around for at least a year
and reported by Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and the Red Cross -- although the latter has to work in code or they will lose access.

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 08:02 AM
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82. Can SouthernDem2004 provide ANY
Edited on Sun Apr-17-05 08:06 AM by bvar22
Can SouthernDem2004 provide ANY counter documentation beyond Official Pentagon Denials?


Indeed, lets check the original link where we find these extensive references and documentation,
which INCLUDES the official US Government Teguba Report.




1. Hilsum, Lindsey, Worldview New Statesman, October 4, 2004, http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FQP/is_4708... /
ai_n6258533


2. Hassan, Ghali, Colonial Violence against Women in Iraq 31 May, 2004
Countercurrents.org , online, Internet, http://www.countercurrents.org/iraq-hassan310504.htm . Also see, Bazzi, Mohammed, U.S. using some Iraqis as bargaining chips, Newsweek, 26 May 2004.

3. Executive summary of Article 15-6 investigation of the 800th
Military Police Brigade by Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba
NBC News, March 4, 2004, online, Internet, http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4894001 /

4. Luke Harding, The Other Prisoners, The Guardian U.K. 20 May 2004, online, Internet: www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/9/4566/pr...
.

5. Ibid.

6. Sgrena, Giulana, Interview with an Iraqi woman tortured at Abu Grhaib, Il Manifesto, July 21, 2004, online, Internet, http://www.ilmanifesto.it/pag/sgrena/en/420dc5a37ba4d.h...

7. McKelvey, Tara, Unusual Suspects, What happened to the women held at Abu Ghraib? The government isnt talking. But some of the women are . American Prospect Online, February 1, 2005, http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=V...
int&articleId=9044

8. Ciezadlo, Annia, For Iraqi women, Abu Grhaibs taint, Christian Science Monitor, May 24, 2004, http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0528/p01s02-woiq.html

9. Ghali Hassan, Colonial violence Against Women in Iraq, Counter Currents.org 31 May 2004, online, Internet: www.countercurents.org/iraq-hassan310504.htm.

10. Iraqi Woman Recalls Abu Graib rape ordeal, July 21 (no year), Islam Online, online, Internet: http://islamonline.net/English/News/2004-07/21/article0...
ml

11. Luke Harding, The Other Prisoners, The Guardian U.K. 20 May 2004, online, Internet: www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/9/4566/pr...
.

13. http://www.thinkingpeace.com/pages/arts2/arts210.html

12. Luke Harding, The Other Prisoners, The Guardian U.K. 20 May 2004, online, Internet: www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/9/4566/pr...

14. Hersh, Seymour, The New Yorker, 2004, http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact

15. Ghali Hassan, Colonial violence Against Women in Iraq, Counter Currents.org 31 May 2004, online, Internet: www.countercurents.org/iraq-hassan310504.htm.

16. US Center for Disease Control and Prevention, quoted in V-Day Statistics,Womens Center, Duke University, March 16, 2005, http://wc.studentaffairs.duke.edu/vdaystats.html

17. Photos on the netIraqi woman raped Islamic Online, May 3 (no year), online, Internet,
http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2004-05/03/arti...
.shtml

18. The rape of Iraqi women and girls by US soldiers, Black Oklahoma Today, March 16, 2005, online, Internet, http://www.blackoklahoma.com/html/modules.php?name=News...
=article&sid=335

19. See http://www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm and http://www.aztlan.net/nineyearoldrapevictim.htm .

20. IBC Press Release, 26 October 2004, http://www.iraqbodycount.net/press/index.php#pr9

21. Democracy Now, Headlines for November 10, 2004, : http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/10/153...

22. Sgrena, Guiliana, Napalm Raid on Falluja, 73 charred bodies women and children were found 23 November 2004, http://www.ilmanifesto.it/pag/sgrena/en/420dd721e0ff0.h...

23. Dahr Jamail, US Military Obstructing Medical Care in Iraq, Antiwar.Com 14 December 2004, www.antiwar.com/jamail/?articleid=4158.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #82
87. al I hear are...
<chirping crikets> .... and no surprise there. Thank you for all of the links which prove what lying bastards the US Military are.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #87
89. The links were provided in the article posted by G_j,
the Original Poster.
I just copied and pasted from the linked article.
link to article

Kristen McNutt, Researcher, Association of Humanitarian Lawyers,
wrote a well researched and documented article. Each and every claim she makes is sourced to an identified individual who provides their credentials for their claims. There are none of the bush* administration propaganda dodges of "an unnamed highly placed source", or Faux News propaganda claims of "some are claiming that..(lies, lies, lies). It is obvious that she is writing for a group of lawyers who aren't going to make any charges they can't back up!
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 08:05 AM
Response to Reply #69
83. yeah, we wouldn't want to tarnish the good name of Rumsfeld's Pentagon
Edited on Sun Apr-17-05 08:05 AM by thebigidea
i've drawn quite a few conclusions, alright.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 04:01 AM
Response to Original message
76. These reports have been out there for at least a year
and, for a year before that, our government knew about it.

Not in our name.

kick
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 05:38 AM
Response to Reply #76
77. Gen. Sanchez lied under oath to Congress.
No charges forthcoming?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 05:40 AM
Response to Reply #77
78. Who will bring them? Mi hermanito
Torquemada Gonzalez?

This is going to get really ugly, just as Viet Nam did.
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peace4all Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 06:11 AM
Response to Reply #77
81. yes he did, and that is a serious crime
media mentioned Sanchez's sig was found on the orders in passing, then quickly moved on, not to return to the story.

I'm pretty sure both Rice and Ashcroft lied under oath to the 9-11 commission. No biggie I guess because it wasn't about sex.
Wasn't the Clinton impeachment based on lying under oath?
If Bush was under oath he could be probably be baited into lying in the first 30 seconds.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 05:45 AM
Response to Original message
79. This is being done in our name. What is congress going to do
about it?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 05:55 AM
Response to Reply #79
80. Nothing at all. Unless we push, push, push on it.
If you think it all the way through, they have well bank rolled lobbyists in their faces all the time.

It will take a good package and numbers to get their attention. (Two things we can produce!)

It's inside out, of course, but that's my experience.

fwiw,
B.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 08:10 AM
Response to Reply #80
84. It will take "pictures" to get any movement.
America no longer reads.
If you can't show it on TV, it isn't real.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #84
86. We need two members of Congress, then we will have pictures.
Like, Tom Harkin. He went to Viet Nam, in a very similar case, to investigate allegations of torture. The military lied to him as did the intel guys. Somehow, he managed to go around them and busted people using tiger cages. He's a good candidate.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #86
88. mmm
and then there are

Boxer, Kucinich, Conyers, Waters, McKinney, McDermitt (sp?) and a few others
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #88
90. also:
Mark Dayton, Barbara Lee, Russ Feingold, Charles Rangel, Henry Waxman, Bernie Sanders, Barney Frank...

There were 43 who voted AGAINST the $83Billion supplemental for bush*s War on the Iraqi People. They should have an open ear.

DU has the capability to Blast ALL Senators and Representatives along with hundreds of CorpoMedia outlets and Letters to Editors of Major Newspapers.

As specific as possible, we need to focus our goals, and then produce a letter outline that can be used as a template.

As specific as possible, What is it we want to accomplish?


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #90
95. Very important question. I have to work until 7pm (pst) but will be
back, hopefully having thunk some.

:thumbsup:
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 03:41 PM
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91. Kick
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 05:36 PM
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92. Back to One.
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tinonedown Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 05:45 PM
Response to Original message
93. What a joke of a news source!
The guerrilla news network?!
Maybe just a hint (as in hammer to the head) of bias, don't you think?
It looks almost like one of those joke sites, sadly they are trying to be serious.
I would not trust their slant on the news anymore than I do Faux.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 05:49 PM
Response to Reply #93
94. You might want to go to Amnesty International, to Human Rights
Watch and to the Red Cross for corroboration. It's there, sadly.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 03:04 AM
Response to Reply #93
98. You should take a closer look !
Guerrilla news merely linked the original Briefing Paper from its original publisher which is:

uruknet.info
information from occupied iraq


http://www.uruknet.info/?s1=1&p=11094&s2=15

You should bookmark this site because they have more up to date, detailed, and accurate information than the Pentagon Press Releases or Reports from American Media Inside the Green Zone.

Kristen McNutt, Researcher, Association of Humanitarian Lawyers,
wrote a well researched and documented briefing Paper that was cited by the OP. If you had bothered to read it, you would have discovered that each and every claim she makes is sourced to an identified individual who provides their credentials for their claims. There are none of the bush* administration propaganda dodges of "an unnamed highly placed source", or Faux News propaganda claims of "some are claiming that..(lies, lies, lies). It is obvious that she is writing for a group of lawyers who aren't going to make any charges they can't back up!

If you has scrolled down to the end, you would have seen this:

1. Hilsum, Lindsey, Worldview New Statesman, October 4, 2004, http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FQP/is_4708 ... /
ai_n6258533


2. Hassan, Ghali, Colonial Violence against Women in Iraq 31 May, 2004
Countercurrents.org , online, Internet, http://www.countercurrents.org/iraq-hassan310504.htm . Also see, Bazzi, Mohammed, U.S. using some Iraqis as bargaining chips, Newsweek, 26 May 2004.

3. Executive summary of Article 15-6 investigation of the 800th
Military Police Brigade by Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba
NBC News, March 4, 2004, online, Internet, http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4894001 /

4. Luke Harding, The Other Prisoners, The Guardian U.K. 20 May 2004, online, Internet: www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/9/4566/pr...
.

5. Ibid.

6. Sgrena, Giulana, Interview with an Iraqi woman tortured at Abu Grhaib, Il Manifesto, July 21, 2004, online, Internet, http://www.ilmanifesto.it/pag/sgrena/en/420dc5a37ba4d.h ...

7. McKelvey, Tara, Unusual Suspects, What happened to the women held at Abu Ghraib? The government isnt talking. But some of the women are . American Prospect Online, February 1, 2005, http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=V ...
int&articleId=9044

8. Ciezadlo, Annia, For Iraqi women, Abu Grhaibs taint, Christian Science Monitor, May 24, 2004, http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0528/p01s02-woiq.html

9. Ghali Hassan, Colonial violence Against Women in Iraq, Counter Currents.org 31 May 2004, online, Internet: www.countercurents.org/iraq-hassan310504.htm.

10. Iraqi Woman Recalls Abu Graib rape ordeal, July 21 (no year), Islam Online, online, Internet: http://islamonline.net/English/News/2004-07/21/article0 ...
ml

11. Luke Harding, The Other Prisoners, The Guardian U.K. 20 May 2004, online, Internet: www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/9/4566/pr...
.

13. http://www.thinkingpeace.com/pages/arts2/arts210.html

12. Luke Harding, The Other Prisoners, The Guardian U.K. 20 May 2004, online, Internet: www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/9/4566/pr...

14. Hersh, Seymour, The New Yorker, 2004, http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact

15. Ghali Hassan, Colonial violence Against Women in Iraq, Counter Currents.org 31 May 2004, online, Internet: www.countercurents.org/iraq-hassan310504.htm.

16. US Center for Disease Control and Prevention, quoted in V-Day Statistics,Womens Center, Duke University, March 16, 2005, http://wc.studentaffairs.duke.edu/vdaystats.html

17. Photos on the netIraqi woman raped Islamic Online, May 3 (no year), online, Internet,
http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2004-05/03/arti ...
.shtml

18. The rape of Iraqi women and girls by US soldiers, Black Oklahoma Today, March 16, 2005, online, Internet, http://www.blackoklahoma.com/html/modules.php?name=News ...
=article&sid=335

19. See http://www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm and http://www.aztlan.net/nineyearoldrapevictim.htm .

20. IBC Press Release, 26 October 2004, http://www.iraqbodycount.net/press/index.php#pr9

21. Democracy Now, Headlines for November 10, 2004, : http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/10/153 ...

22. Sgrena, Guiliana, Napalm Raid on Falluja, 73 charred bodies women and children were found 23 November 2004, http://www.ilmanifesto.it/pag/sgrena/en/420dd721e0ff0.h ...

23. Dahr Jamail, US Military Obstructing Medical Care in Iraq, Antiwar.Com 14 December 2004, www.antiwar.com/jamail/?articleid=4158.



The above is her reference material for each claim she documents in her Paper. If you care to scan it, you will find:

The Taguba Report

MSNBC

The New Yorker

The Guardian UK

The American Prospect

The Christian Science Monitor



If you bothered to look closer, you might find this very interesting cite:

6. Sgrena, Giulana, Interview with an Iraqi woman tortured at Abu Grhaib,
Her name should be familiar. She is the Italian Journalist that Negroponte's goons attempted to kill at the Baghdad Airport several week ago, and the above Paper DOES provide considerable motive for the attack! Don't you think????
Questioning minds want to know!





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R. A. Fuqua Donating Member (281 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 06:04 PM
Response to Original message
96. this is why I do not support
the US military industrial complex.

YES--I will support the soldiers--if they come home and QUIT hurting the Iraqi people.

But I do not support this war, I do not support them being over there--and I do not support the evil that they have done to these good people.

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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 08:03 PM
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97. Omnicide
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