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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 11:55 PM
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Checkmate (My Speculation)
This is just my speculation, but I have been feeling that we are nearing critical mass with regard to so much corruption under wraps. I had long speculated that "something" would be scheduled as a distraction, since the public has lost all interest in fear tactics. As a chess player I have run various simulations as to move/counter and a while back it seemed to me that the stock market would be checkmate after two moves.

The Market made no sense considering the drastic economic conditions and disregard on the part of our leadership, as well as the volume of trading. Something was holding the market up, propped almost.

Several days ago as news of Delay began to spread into the mainstream, as election issues are becoming more and more glaring, as 9/11 investigations are showing more and more evidence that does not parlay with the official version, and as more and more information is coming out about the characters in this game... it was clear that something was required to distract. I was surprised when even the news of the "highly" dangerous flu vaccine was shipped around the planet did not cause massive fear and public panic. The public no longer buys the scare tactics, that is clear. The public is also disinterested in the faux religion of the NeoCons.

My speculation is that with all of the recent legislation aimed at removing all rights other than those covered by the 2nd amendment, that the end game would have to be martial law. The people in power currently cannot/will not allow themselves to lose their grasp because if they do, so much corruption will be uncovered that it will take down the entire financial and governing infrastructure.

Money is being diverted up and "lost" in various places almost as another diversion. So, putting that all together, again... just my own speculation, it seems to me that the following will occur:

1). Market crashes causing massive fear and panic. The top wealth is viable as are those who use it for political purposes. To quickly get things in control, the following will have to happen...

2). The Real ID Act (which has little to do with immigration control and/or border security) will be passed quickly, without anyone reading it. In an emergency, there is little time to read (replay of 2001). The Real ID Act pushes for "borders" as "anywhere" and allows the suspension of all labor laws, environmental laws, and construction laws in order to build "borders" which could be anything and anywhere. To me, the only reason for such a law is to build a "work" environment, a contained work environment. Among other provisions, the worst are the Patriot Act II sections that deal with retroactively charging someone with being a "terrorist" although the word is never really defined. Key here is RETROACTIVELY. http://rawstory.com/news/2005/index.php?p=56

The only reason for something like this, as it seems to me, would be to silence dissent. So, the Real ID Act passes and along with it, because we are in a national crisis...

3). Martial law is declared. The problem is that the military is missing, including the national guard. In comes Homeland Security/FEMA, which happens to have its own emergency "troops" and they, given the various Executive Order over time, supersedes all bodies of government, all transportation, and all communications.
http://www.flyingdisk.com/fema.htm

Checkmate (again, purely my own speculation)
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 11:59 PM
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1. i see minute men everywhere in our future
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 11:59 PM
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2. Could this be why the US Marshal Service was making a
power play this past week with their 10,000+ arrests?

They are asking for funding - but for what end?
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 12:04 AM
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3. And the Florida
"shoot at will" law is shocking and absurd.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 12:14 AM
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4. Fear, fear, fear and more fear
Gotta fear "them non-white folkses" and shoot at will.
Gotta fear "them Ay-Rabs" and round 'em up.

It looks like people would get tired of being fearful.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 12:39 AM
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7. Very
I wasn't expecting that ever. Maybe there's something going on behind the scenes and they're getting desperate? :shrug:
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 12:16 AM
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5. I think your crystal ball is broken.
I agree with the diversion tactics. ShrubCo has been using that since he started his campaign in 1999!

I think it's too big of a streatch to jump to martial law, taking over the labor force, etc.

Get a good night's sleep. You'll fell better in the morning.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 12:19 AM
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6. Doomsayers are all over the place.
They don't rattle my cage.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 06:25 AM
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16. yeah, after all, doom never happens does it?
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 12:50 AM
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9. Well, yes, I am tired...
But I have been working on this while lucid too, lol. I think if someone said to me 7 years ago that we would have: 2 back to back fraudulent elections, that a President could take us to war on false pretenses and in the process lose 9 billion dollars, create a middle class servitude system of legislation, have Bolton as US face at UN, have Negroponte as head of the US intelligence community (combining CIA/FBI/Internal), that we would have the Patriot Act, Real ID Act, and so forth... if someone had mentioned that to me, I would have laughed while skipping off into a once great little shop in the WTC mall.

However, since the most bizarre and obscene degradations of the rule of law are being enacted under the light of day and that no one is being held accountable... not for anything, in fact, they are being promoted for lying, stealing, etc., my guess is these guys are putting pieces in place... then the picture makes more sense, does it not? Negroponte is a hit man, a criminal and he will be doing what exactly under the vague definitions of the Patriot and Real ID Acts?

I don't know, but I would have to be drugged, sleeping in a cave on another planet to find any of this random or "doomsday" theatrics.

I am not a rapture person as we all know or should know. I am, however, someone who believes that history repeats itself and given that and the above, things point in one direction... yes, this is my speculation, but I wish someone would give me a better case scenario so that I can rest better.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 01:20 AM
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11. Excellent points & post
America is headed in one direction under the stewardship of the
most corrupt group of people to ever gain control of the levers of power in Washington. They are creating a Police state right before our eyes some see it some don't but I think in the near future All will see it.
To little to late.

The foundation has been laid. The necessary players & laws are in place. The current attack on the Judicial branch is very important imo as it is the last obstacle in their way to total control.

Only time will tell how this all plays out but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see there are some very dark days ahead.



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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 11:32 AM
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26. I agree with you and I think what is coming will be unprecedented.
Edited on Sat Apr-16-05 11:40 AM by smirkymonkey
Just like nobody thought the day before September 11th or the Indonesian Tsunami, for example, that such things were realistically possible (except perhaps certain people in the know), I think that we may have to face a reality never before imagined.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 02:03 PM
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29. The Tsunami
If this were a play by Shakespeare, we would be discussing how like AMND this is, with this background of a world out of balance. It certainly parallels the disorder in the the mob formerly known as government.

But there are also elements of Arendt, the banality of Wolfowitz, The David Lynch like nature of the Mayberry Machiavelli, and Donald Rumsfeld.
Life imitates a particularly garish form of art.

Certainly no other administration has so thoroughly embraced Orwell, and many of our formerly effective branches of government present a public face that is pure Kafka, and an internal culture more like Robert Graves' Rome than 21st century governance.

But if I were pinned down to a single motif to represent the upcoming events, perhaps Steinbeck would be the author of choice.

Speaking of Rome. It still has not come home to ** the real lesson of history-- the cost of administrating a hostile empire will always exceed the benefits derived thereof. The Romans knew that by the fourth century and they were very. single. minded. people.

America's Tsunami will be the collapse of our currency. What follows after that will be dark, violent, and I don't anticipate surviving it. I am too medicine dependent. But America will have to continue fighting this war with a command economy, emphasis on the word command. It will be bloody, and the draft will be a horror, ruthlessly enforced.

Saudi Arabia just lost control of OPEC with the collapse of their ability to wash the market. It is a very small step from that to a Wahabbist republic of Islamist Arabia. Very.

At the same time the world vomits most of our currency reserves back at us, we will have to occupy Iraq, Iran, and conquer the country formerly known as the Kingdom of Saud, against the entire Islamic world. Paradoxically, possession does not seem to generate cheaper oil. Go figure, or see above. This is where the NeoCon agenda shows itself to be most insane, IMO. They think this is a good thing.

This will break globalism, and re-create the multi polar world, a far more hostile place.







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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 01:53 AM
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39. " no other administration has so thoroughly embraced Orwell"
That about sums it up, folks.
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stpalm Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 07:41 PM
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35. wait... wait
You think the tsunami was engineered somehow? I can understand thinking they knew about 9-11 beforehand, but that's fucking insane to think the tsunami was caused. What were their motives? Who did it? I'm curious to hear your responses.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 11:01 PM
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36. Dude, calm down. I suggested no such thing.
Regarding the Tsunami, I meant geologists or some other specialists who were aware that such a thing was possible and could conceivably happen.

Regarding September 11th, I meant certain experts on terrorism, and yes, even people within our own government, people short-selling airline stock, and the rest who conveniently profited from the tragedy.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 12:27 PM
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28. The post is more of an analysis of tactics rather than fortelling future
The future is not set, but the priorities of the Republican leadership in which laws are being pushed and which laws were put on the backburner (while giving them lipservice) points toward all this as the end game that they are striving for.
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eaglenetsupport Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 12:43 AM
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8. "FLASH" - shares of Alcoa rise 5%
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 12:50 AM
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10. That is O'Neill's gig, no?
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 01:22 AM
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12. have any counter moves in mind?
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 05:06 PM
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31. Yes, I have played this over and over...
Long long story, the problem is we have lost all key tactical positions and pieces, including a queen and both rooks. Pawns can do it, but it would have to be a strategy that takes back the center in a two-move counter...on that regard, I fear what that move has to be, the first one of the two.

The second move goes off the chessboard and onto GO, the movements in that context are better, but still terrible in what is required. Either way, the scenarios are far too complex to post in a forum. They are also far too theoretical to post because...that would be negligent. Good theory does not always good practice make.

If you play chess, very well that is, then play the current game. Rove is a hard core chess player, his game has not changed. Take his character and play it, both sides of the board... then play a simulated persona of him. His strategy is flawed, always the same, and uselesss. The problem is, he has been playing alone all of this time and so the advantage is not in his ability but in our inability to gauge the game and take back the center of the board. If you play chess, then we should play sometime. In my opinion, all strategy and all tactical options are clear when one speaks in chess terms.

The only outcome on their end is what I have already stated. We have missed the whole game. So if you play, then sit down and simulate this game. BTW, I sent all of the to Gov. Dean as Dem strategy, but he is missing in action.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 12:04 AM
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37. I don't play well, but I get your point
but unlike in chess, a lot of the pieces stay on the board and either switch sides or just sit their as obstacles.

It sounds like Rove isn't in trouble until most of the pawns are on the other side.

That martial law option would have a couple of caveats:

1) can they make up a credible threat to keep people scared? Post 9/11, that would take a nuke, and even that would raise as many questions as it did knock people into line.

2) Can they make a majority of people think they are getting something out of the deal by letting them go the martial law route?

Both of those would be tough. For 1, you would have to count not just on the average Joe staying with the program, but the military sticking to the script too. That isn't guaranteed.

For 2, a very small percentage are coming out ahead in the GOP game, and those with at least average intelligence will eventually figure that out.

If it looks like they are starting to lose, their only option will be to crank up the repression, which will move more pawns to the other side.

I think they will pursue some kind of radical option, but eventually, more Americans will get back in the game.
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lonelysoul2020 Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 01:38 AM
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13. Only one problem with your idea
I quoit


"My speculation is that with all of the recent legislation aimed at removing all rights other than those covered by the 2nd amendment, that the end game would have to be martial law."

If they were going to declare martial law. They would be against the 2nd amendment. As a armed populace is a dangerous populace to declare martial law on.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 02:17 AM
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14. True
But these people have proven they don't care about the Constiution and since they control all the government who's going to stop them from doing something?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 08:12 AM
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20. We already have an armed populace standing on the AZ border
WITH the government's blessing.

My suggestion is: GO OUT AND BUY THE BEST AK-47 YOU CAN AFFORD.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 07:25 PM
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33. Well, no...
Because who owns the majority of guns?
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 06:14 AM
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15. Excellent piece, lala_rawraw!
I submit that every time people say "It can't happen here," it happens here.

A financial panic would be just the sort of distraction that the Regime needs. The Very Wealthy would make out like bandits and everybody else would be scared shitless as their fund evaporated. Congre$$ would immediately move to "protect the economy" and Goddess-knows-what would be attached to each and every bill.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 06:49 AM
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17. Unfortunately Most Don't See That It HAS Happened Here Already
Edited on Sat Apr-16-05 06:51 AM by TheWatcher
And continues and will continue to happen.

This game was over on December 12, 2000, and that is the day this country's 224 year-old experiment, (theoreticaly it's 229 now, but it only lived for 224) died.

Everything that has happened since is for the beneift of keeping the population under control through fear and diversion, while giving the "illusion" that the "democracy" that had existed for 224 years prior still existed.

Have no illusions. This is No Longer a Free Country.

All remedies available through legeslative and judiciary means are being neatly removed through legislation designed to build and complete the foundation for the Fascist Playground/Theocracy/Police State that will replace our forefather's experiment. The groundwork has been laid. The Foundation is in place. They have all the tools they need.

And at the appropriate time, The Mask Will Come Off.

Dark Times? We may wish for the Dark Times we have right now before this is all over.

But we WILL survive.

We have to.

Or future experiments like the one we had will not come about.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 08:11 AM
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19. You are correct.
There is the illusion that this is a free country, but there is not true freedom.

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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 07:40 AM
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18. Flu test shipment was no distraction.
I think it was an attempt to cull the population and it may be years before we know if it was successful. Furthermore there is credible, though circumstantial evidence, that the firm that shipped the Flu tests and Anthrax to Iraq was involved with the Anthrax letters that went to Congress and others. Since the perpetrators were never caught, one might conclude that the CIA was and is involved. If peak oil is real, the current world population can't be supported. Health care, welfare and anything else that tends to support population growth are counterproductive.
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 01:18 AM
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38. The company is in my area -- I've not heard of a tie with them and the
Anthrax letters -- is this a new lead, or an old lead? Link?
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 08:25 AM
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21. A crash would only hurt the investor class
their aim has always been to stick it to the poor and middle class, but most of the money in stock markets come from the top ranks of wealthy.

doesn't make sense...UNTIL> SS is privitized - causing an influx of investment money into the market & a temporary (artificial) inflating of the stock market. The perfect time for the wealthy to cash-out, which would cause a crash - just as poor suckers are putting their life savings into the market. Then they have liquid cash to snap up the bones through bargain stock reinvestment, real estate and foreign currency - AMD they have their scapegoat: the "riff-raff" who flooded the market and didn't know what they were doing. This, by the way is the same population that was blamed for the 2000 crash.

ok, then martial law. this could all happen very quickly... but to hold 'em over until private accounts transfer over... they have IRAN.
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solinvictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 08:44 AM
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22. The investor class gets richer from economic chaos..
They sell early, then buy into the market for pennies on the dollar and own more than they did before.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 10:07 AM
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23. I agree for the most part. Excellent post!!!
I see *II as the front-man for a rogue establisment faction that is causing way too much trouble. Hopefully, the "establishment" forces have enough brains and will-power to pull off a "silent coup." I would much prefer to see a public uprising, non violent of course, where the will of the people prevailed. Unfortunately, many seem either stunned or indifferent at this point.

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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 10:40 AM
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24. I agree up to item #3 Martial Law.
The US military will not do it. Most local police will not tackle this. There are not enough jack boots ready unless Fundie churches start training for the Government, I do not see that happening.

The problem is there are too many armed civilians and U.S. Armed Forces that think their home is their castle. The only option left to the Bush style Neo-Con is importing mercenaries from outside the United States. That would totally end the GOP treason once and for all.

Ollie North's Martial Law would be one of the best things that ever happened to Democrats if and when the GOP-BFEE fascist ever try to pull that stunt. It would be the death of the GOP. Hopefully in its place there would be a loyal opposition party that advocates the U.S Constitution.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 11:03 AM
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25. It's possible that they're fighting the last war
The impression I have about a lot of this stuff is that the 60's scared the shit out of these people, and they've been working ever since to prevent the sort of mass uprising that they were so afraid of then from happening now.

For example, they've been pumping up the War on Drugs and building a massive, heavily privatized prison system not because they really care about drugs -- although pretending they do has the useful side benefits of increasing drug-smuggling profits and keeping down the underclass -- but because they want all that excess prison capacity for when people start rioting in the streets.

They've been putting the Patriot Acts and similar stuff in place for the same reasons.

But guess what? We're not living in the 60's any more, and 60's-style verge-of-chaos stuff just isn't happening. We're not having massive inner-city riots. American students aren't shutting down their colleges. The large-scale marches which attempt to emulate the 60's demonstrations are kept within narrow bounds by the cops and are mostly middle-class and even middle-aged to begin with.

So how should we interpret this? I can see two possibilities. Either they're already doing a superb job of keeping us held down and everything is hopeless. Or, just possibly, they have their eye on the wrong ball, they're wasting their time and energy in trying to head off the kind of violent public uprising that isn't going to happen anyway, and as a result they're totally missing the places where real power is slipping out of their hands.

Case in point: I wandered by the tv while C-span was on yesterday and caught our old pal Mike Krempasky (of rathergate.com fame) saying that the rightie and leftie blogs were united in their opposition to FEC attempts to regulate them and that he and Markos were working together in some new freedom-of-the-blogosphere organization. That kind of blew my mind at first, but then it started to make sense -- and here's why.

I've got this theory about human nature. A relatively small number of human beings are primarily motivated by power. Because they tend to seek power and then use it badly when they have it, they're capable of causing a disproportionate amount of trouble. But there aren't all that many of them.

In contrast, the great majority of humans are primarily motivated by *fun.* We want to do whatever seems cool, or trendy, or adventurous, or interesting, or mysterious. And most the the time, the power-trippers can use this fact to keep people entertained and distracted. But whenever the power-trippers get so afraid of losing their power that they clamp down to the point where life just isn't fun anymore, people get fed up and begin routing around them.

I came to this conclusion years ago when wrestling with the problem raised by 1984 -- whether the Big Brother society could go on forever, since it had everything so totally under control. I finally realized that the ultimate weakness of a society like that is that it would be mind-numbingly *boring* -- and human beings simply don't tolerate boredom very well. They rebel against it, or start tinkering to make it more interesting, or simply wander off to where the action is.

That's a great strength. It's what got Homo sapiens to where we are today. It's why we're still around and the Neanderthals aren't.

I also believe the boredom factor is what brought down the Soviet Union -- not Reagan or the Pope or even the Afghans.

And I believe that we here at DU know, and the Mike Krempasky's know, and even the Freepers know that what is really in our best interests is to live in a world where we can go at each other on a regular basis and have meaningful political disputes with outcomes that we care about. The sort of one-party or theocratic system that the power-trippers up there are aiming at is absolutely contrary to the basic human orientation of the other 95% of us.

That is why the power-trippers need terrorism and war -- because those are the only things that can, at least temporarily, short out the human urge to seek what's fun and avoid what's boring. But they can't keep playing the fear card forever. Real fear is one thing, but manufactured fear is just another form of entertainment -- and when judged by how it stacks up against other entertainment options, it's eventually going to come up short.

The 911 game jumped the shark a good while back. It isn't *fun* any more. And that's why the power-trippers can't win.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 12:19 PM
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27. Well...not quite
As bad as this is worldwide, the point at which martial law would be declared is whole lot worse. Really. Bloody by the tens of thousands.

It's not that I'm naive, I don't think so, but this bunch is all about political and economic power, robbing fortunes, and maintaining control. Implicit in a declaration of martial law is the loss of everything except forcible control over the population. It's an admission that there is no more money to be made legally, no more empire to be built without force, and the best you can do is to hang on to what you have.

Just because the situation may temporarily go haywire for them doesn't mean they've given up on screwing you out of a nickel on Monday morning.

So I agree with starroute and others. Not now, not yet. They're children of the 60's too, fighting the wrong war, they're fascist prone zealots on a mission, and that makes then dangerous and stupid. But it doesn't make them give up their greedy self-interest.

One big thing that isn't unlikely where all bets are off: a big WMD attack. Loose a city or two, or even have someone play hide-and-seek with a suitcase bomb...

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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 04:09 PM
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40. under the FEMA provisions...
A "riot" is enough to activate national FEMA troopers:


FEMA provs:

Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers



EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 ( 27 F.R. 1527 ) allows Secretary of Transportation to take over ALL modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports. It also gives the Secretary of Commerce full control of the production and distribution of ALL construction materials, gas, oil, and power as well as ALL civilian, private aviation facilities, highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 ( 27 F.R. 1519 ) allows the government to seize and control the communication media. It establishes the Telecommunications Management Agency that provides for the "takeover" of ALL communications media in the United States. This includes broadcast and cable television, ALL radio stations, ALL satelite earth stations and satelites and ALL telephone companies and telephone systems in the United States.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 ( 27 F.R. 1522 ) allows the government to take over ALL electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals. In other words, ALL sources of energy.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 ( 27 F.R. 1524 ) allows the Secretary of Agriculture to take over ALL food resources and farms and farm equipment. This means that all privately owned farmland and food resources will be commandeered by the Federal Government, together with all farm implements and equipment used to work this land. ALL will become the properety of the Federal Government.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 ( 27 F.R. 1532 ) allows the Secretary of Labor to "mobilize" civilians into work brigades under government supervision. That's right, every working American will be under the direct supervision of the Federal Government. Where you work now or want to work in the future is not a consideration. You will be required to work where you are told to work. Have you ever considered the term "slave labor"?

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 ( 27 F.R. 1534 ) allows the Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare to control ALL health services, doctors, hospitals, etc., ALL welfare services and All educational programs and facilities, public and private.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 ( 27 F.R. 1539 ) designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of ALL persons in the United States. This will account for every American, his or her location and "status".

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 ( 27 F.R. 1540 ) empowers the Federal Aviation Administration to take over ALL airports and commandeer ALL aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 ( 27 F.R. 1542 ) establishes the authority for the Federal Housing Administration (FHA) to take control of ALL housing, lodging and community facilities in the United States. This means the relocation, to a place of the government's choosing, of any part of the population they choose to move. In other words, it doesn't matter where you live now or what property you own, it will become the property of the government and THE GOVERNMENT WILL TELL YOU WHERE TO LIVE. It will relocate entire communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 ( 27 F.R. 1544 ) empowers the Interstate Commerce Commission to take over ALL railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 ( 27 F.R. 1688 ) specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international or domestic tensions and economic or financial crisis.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 ( 32 F.R. 12877 ) directs the Department of Justice (Janet Reno?) to enforce the plans set out in All Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate ALL penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11490 ( 34 F.R. 17567 ) authored by Richard Nixon consolidates all previous Executive Orders into one act of law. It also gave the Department of Justice the power to control "alien enemies" and all "other aliens" and to provide for their location, relocation, restraint and/or custody. It also provides the power to seize ALL property of the alien enemies and "other aliens". No definition of terms was given to know who "alien enemies" or "other aliens" are. It is left to the discretion of the Department of Justice, i.e. Janet Reno! It allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution of ALL energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institutions in any undefined national emergency. It makes mandatory the confiscation and control of ALL monetary items and the entire financial structure and assets of the United States of America, public, private and institutional by the Secretary of the Treasury. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.


In this E.O. (20 July 1979 , #12148 ( 44 F.R. 43239 )President Carter places the powers previously given to separate agencies or departments/administrations under the SOLE CONTROL of FEMA - the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

Add Patriot Act and that FEMA is now housed under Homeland Security and is run by the former Bush COS in Texas.


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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 02:17 PM
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30. And guess what? The 2006 midterm elections are only 1.5 years away!!!
What has been done to make sure THESE elections are fraud-proof?

??
:(
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Mich Otter Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 07:13 PM
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32. How desperate are the Republicans and the ruling class getting?
There is so much going against the Republicans these days that I wonder what lengths they might go to to keep their power.
The war was for the wrong reasons and most Americans are understanding it now; the tax cuts are just adding to the deficit which has to be paid back someday; the stock market is falling; oil prices have no limits; programs to help the elderly, the poor and veterans are getting cut almost daily; the standard of living for average Americans is declining; the Terri Schiavo debacle is fresh in everyone's minds; the list goes on and on.
They need something big and the Bin Ladin family is in no hurry to give over Osama.
Bush's popularity is down the tubes; Is it possible the Republicans will "sacrifice" him somehow to gain politically?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 07:38 PM
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34. I wonder though
Bush is their key to power though. Without him having people rally behind him what would they have though? They do control everything but without Bush how can their laws get through? If they have a democratic president I don't think he would sign their ridiculous laws.
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dcfirefighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 05:58 PM
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41. WMD is overrated
Any suitcase bomb still likely to work was made in the USA, and would destroy a few city blocks. It would also leave a tell-tale nuclide marker.

Biothreats are virtually nonexistent. There's some nasty stuff out there, but its ours, and once it's out of the bag, it doesn't care if you're conservative or liberal. Bathtub shit just isn't that virulent or easy to disseminate.

Chem agents are localized, and hard to concentrate.

A dirty bomb is relatively easy to clean up.

Really, the only thing to fear is....



OH, and the rich need us to keep working or they aren't so rich anymore.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 06:23 PM
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42. Be afraid, be very very afraid
For you never know.

:scared:


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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 08:54 PM
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43. I am not happy about this provisions, plus the
Real ID Act. So, together that does give me pause. Or maybe I am paranoid.
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