Is Henry Kissinger a war criminal, fascist or just misunderstood

[nolabels]

Many times when I go to look for information on funny things that were going on and he pops into the scene somehow. I keep on wondering why all the things that happen around him and quickly drop out of sight. More over when difficult things happened around him that were of some Significance, the hard questions are ignored by the press and mass media. They do this like he provided a great service and the USA and should get a free pass.

There have also been many people in different places in articles and books stating that the US should be proud to have had him and his service. Henry even was endowed with a Nobel Peace Prize (but is under contention http://www.peacelink.it/tematiche/latina/nobel/index.php3 )


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ProletarianNews/message/82
From: Barry Stoller <bstoller@u...>
Date: Tue Aug 21, 2001 5:41 pm
Subject: Henry Kissinger: public enemy #1

Pravda. 21 August 2001. Trial on Henry Kissinger.

The Hong Kong weekly Far Eastern Economic Review published an article
entitled 'Henry Kissinger and Wars in Asia' (marked as August 23). So
the East-Asia region also got involved in the campaign to bring former
US Secretary to the international tribunal.

As it turns out, when Russia's senior governmental officials were
welcoming Kissinger, the trouble was brewing for him in the USA and
Europe. This trouble is so thick now that Kissinger would not risk to
show up in any country of the West. Christopher Hitchens -- an
Englishman living in the US, a columnist of the leftist-liberal
newspaper The Nation has recently released a book entitled 'The Case
Against Henry Kissinger.' The book became a bestseller at once and the
campaign took another scale. It does not go about the speculation -- the
readers can find the proofs of the that in the following quotations:

Feed (USA): In a series of essays in Harper's entitled 'The Case Against
Henry Kissinger,' he argues that the national security adviser and
secretary of state under Nixon and Ford ought to be prosecuted for war
crimes for his role in assassinations, occupations, and executions in
Indochina, Chile, Bangladesh, East Timor, and Cyprus. ..In the course of
a recent conversation on these essays and his upcoming book on the same
subject, Hitchens described Kissinger as 'a murderer, a liar, a
pseudo-intellectual, a thief of government property, and a profiteer
from said theft.'

Le Monde(France): Reported earlier this month that when French Judge
Roger Le Loire had a summons served on Kissinger on May 31 at the Ritz
Hotel in Paris, Kissinger fled Paris. The judge wanted to ask Kissinger
about his knowledge of Operation Condor, the scheme evolved by Pinochet
and other Latin American proconsuls of the American Empire to kill or
'disappear' their opponents.
(snip)

[StopTheMorans]

1. he's a goddamned war criminal

I just read an article last night on his direct involvement in the whole Pinochet coup on 9/11/1973. He basically forced Nixon's hand on it by overstating the importance of the situation in Chile. For this alone he deserves to be brought to the Hague, not to mention his fascist carpet-bombing schemes in Laos and Cambodia. The man is evil, pure and simple, and while I don't believe that there is a hell, I hope that there is, simply so he can spend eternity there.

[rock]

5. I second that

War criminal

[jonnyblitz]

35. I third that!!

:hi:

[sasquatch]

2. War Criminal/Fascist

He should be sent to Chile they would like to have a nice chat:evilgrin: with his worthless ass.

[Zuni]

30. A fascist is deeply ideological

Kissinger had no ideology but personal power. A fascist also has a warped moral code. As far as I can tell Kissinger had no moral code at all. A fascist also has loyalty to certain things like nation, race, a leader etc. Kissinger was not loyal to anyone and was a frequent backstabber.

[Benhurst]

3. Henry Kissinger is a fascist war criminal who

should be brought to justice.

[DuctapeFatwa]

4. He's a misunderstood fascist war criminal

All he ever did was ask how come US should let the Arabs have the oil.

[nolabels]

15. Did you say some thing about oil? I have got a pipeline for you

http://freemasonwatch.freepress-freespeech.com/kissinger_taliban.html
The Dark Side Of The Moon -

Executive Intelligence Review (EIR) is assembling the evidence that individuals,including Kissinger and Arnaud de Borchgrave,editor-at-large of the Rev. Sun Myung Moon-owned Washington Times and United Press International (UPI)--and another war enthusiast for the obliteration of bin Laden and the Taliban--were, only recently, leading apologists and supporters of the same Taliban. Evidence shows that connections from inside leading U.S. circles to bin Laden did not end with the Soviet Union's pullout from Afghanistan in 1989, and that promotion of the Taliban continued through the Summer of 2001! Other individuals involved will be identified in future issues of EIR.

In Kissinger's case, he has been linked to an effort to keep Afghanistan and the Taliban rulers off the list of countries which are "state sponsors" of terrorism. According to a front-page story in the Nov. 5 Washington Post by Mary Pat Flaherty, David Ottaway, and James Grimaldi, "How Afghanistan Went Unlisted As Terrorist Sponsor," the former Secretary of State was a consultant to the American oil company, Unocal, to lobby the State Department against any sanctions against Afghanistan, in order to protect his client's plans to build a pipeline across the country to access Central Asian oil. The Post reported, "To secure critical financing from agencies such as the World Bank, needed the State Department to formally recognize the Taliban as Afghanistan's government. Unocal hired former State Department insiders: former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, former special U.S. Ambassador John J. Maresca, and Robert Oakley, a former U.S. Ambassador to Pakistan."

Unocal's interest was unequivocally stated before the U.S. Congress on Feb. 12, 1998, when Maresca, then Unocal's vice president for international relations, testified before the House International Relations Committee, Subcommittee on Asia and the Pacific, pushing Unocal's Afghan pipeline scheme, which aimed to cut Russia and Iran out of the lucrative Central Asian oil and natural gas market. Maresca noted that since an Iranian pipeline was out of the question because of "U.S. sanctions legislation," therefore "the only possible route option is across Afghanistan.... A route through Afghanistan appears to be the best option with the fewest technical obstacles." While he claimed that Unocal "does not favor any group" among the fighting Afghan factions, the company's lobbying efforts centered on getting U.S. government endorsement for the Taliban as the recognized government. Just a few months before Maresca's Congressional testimony, Unocal had brought a delegation of Taliban leaders to Washington, for meetings with members of Congress and the Clinton Administration.

Maresca told Congress that "the construction of our proposed pipeline cannot occur until a recognized government is in place," implying that the United States had better hurry up and recognize the Taliban.
(snip)

[Mairead]

24. Exactly! The answer is 'all of the above'

He's a fascist, a war criminal, and is misunderstood by people who believe he's not.

[MrPrax]

6. War Criminal and Traitor

don't forget his 'background' destruction and secret of the '68 Vietnam peace process...why give the Democrats a peace pact right before the election!!

Better to have Nixon and 7 more years of death

[Zuni]

29. in 1968 (the secret deals)

It was more Nixon and Mitchell who contacted Anna Chennault to get in touch with Nguyen Van Thieu, the RVN President and urged him not to accept conditions for peace talks in 1968.

Contrary to popular belief, Thieu probably wouldn't have negotiated with Hanoi even if the Nixon team hadn't contacted him. He allowed the Nixon team to believe they owed him more than they did in actuality.

Kissinger's role was supplying secret information from the Paris negotiating team to Nixon, where he was playing a role.

While Nixon's and Kissinger's efforts were amoral, unethical and treasonous--they probably had little effect on the attempted peace talks, which would most likely have stalemated.

[nolabels]

34. Frankly, it seems he was leading the orchestra

Tricky Dick Nixon never did seem like a big planner to me, but rather a get along manager type

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Kissinger/Take_Him_Away.html
Take Him Away
by Doug Ireland
(snip)
The Trial of Henry Kissinger begins by recounting Kissinger's role as a double agent in the Republican destabilization of Paris peace negotiations on Vietnam-engaged in by the administration of Lyndon Johnson-during Nixon's 1968 presidential campaign. No less an establishment figure than Richard Holbrooke (then a senior LBJ negotiator) says that "Henry was the only person outside of the government we were authorized to discuss the negotiations with.... It is not stretching the truth to say the Nixon campaign had a secret source within the U.S. negotiating team."

At the same time, Dr. K was advising the Nixon camp on how to scuttle the talks, which they did by using a "back channel"-the infamous "Dragon Lady," Anna Chennault-to get the South Vietnamese to "hold on" and refuse the Johnson proposal.

"One has to pause for an instant to comprehend the enormity of this," Hitchens writes. "Kissinger had helped elect a man who had surreptitiously promised the South Vietnamese junta a better deal than they would get from the Democrats. The Saigon authorities then acted, as Johnson advisor William Bundy ruefully confirms, as if they did indeed have a deal. This meant ... four more years of an unwinnable and undeclared and murderous war, which was to spread before it burned out, and was to end on the same terms and conditions as had been on the table in 1968."

Once ensconced in the White House as Nixon's foreign policy right hand (he was, as Hitchens underscores, Nixon's "very first appointment"), Kissinger was deeply involved in micromanaging the war. Hitchens demonstrates by a masterful synthesis of various sources-the work of the respected historian Lawrence Lifschultz, the annotated diaries of Nixon's chief of staff, H.R. Haldeman, (partially) declassified government documents, interviews with surviving witnesses-that Kissinger was directly responsible for deliberate massacres of civilians, from the notorious "pacification" campaigns like Operation Speedy Express (in which at least 10,000 Vietnamese villagers were killed) to the secret bombings of Laos and Cambodia, which were given the repulsive code names "Breakfast," "Lunch," "Snack," "Dinner" and "Dessert."
(snip)

Links to a little more background on this

http://www.web.net/sworker/392-09-kissinger.html

http://www.leinsdorf.com/Nixon'splaybook.htm

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/080900-01.htm

[Zuni]

41. Not exactly

Nixon was the ringleader. Kissinger was not even sure if he was with Nixon and was also passing information to others. Kissinger was not instructing them on anything. John Mitchell is the one who contacted Anna Chennault, who contacted Thieu.

Thieu most likely would not have come to the table anyway, but the Nixon team still broke all ethical precedents by interfering. The war most likely would not have ended in 1968, and negotiations most likely would have stalemated. They went on in secret for three years before the Paris Peace Accords.

Read 'The Price of Power : Kissinger in the Nixon White House' by Seymour M. Hersh, a very detailed, a very thorough analysis.

[nolabels]

44. Nixon as ring leader is easy to agree on, in an orchestra the music

is a collaboration between the parties. Surly he wasn't the impetus for Dicky running for office, but surely saw his ticket riding on it. Different jobs take different talents most nut and bolt guys (people that stick to detail) have some difficulty in the interpersonal give and take.

Coupled with the fact that Nixon was picked earlier in life because he was sort of confidence 'yes' man, leads me to this assumption. None of them could have done it alone. Thinking of collaborations and groups of people, the ones that occur to me to accomplish the most are when there are no clear leaders, but many could be picked out of the group. The crazies that inhabited White house at the time were such a group.

Think about this part of the article this from the above link

As chairman of the Forty Committee, Kissinger not only oversaw but
spurred on the formation of a working group at CIA headquarters whose purpose was "a strategy of destabilization, kidnap, and assassination designed to provoke a military coup" against Allende.

The first step in this plan was to get rid of the chief of the Chilean General Staff, Gen. Rene Schneider, a conservative who was nonetheless opposed to any military meddling in the electoral process

[ElsewheresDaughter]

7. Kissinger is the deffinition of the word "Criminal"

:scared: :scared: :scared:

[reachout]

8. Kissinger Quotes

"I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people." (referring to Chile in the early 1970s)


"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer."


"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."

[nolabels]

9. The reason I bring this up because his fingers are stir the pot..........

in a lot of different places maybe some that many are not aware of.
What I am trying to figure out is if he is a main instigator or just a fireman that was sent by different people to do their bidding.
I also bring it up because this person has played such large roll in US history and foreign policy but many haven't figured out how it fits in.

This recent article I found (after hearing someone more credible on the radio) of him doing his work in Italy makes me question on what else he was involved in. The evidence is sometimes murky and hard to get a hold of, but the results of what was done are intact.

http://www.nightmare.org/textfiles/conspiracy/italy.txt

GLADIO: THE SECRET U.S. WAR TO SUBVERT ITALIAN DEMOCRACY

by Arthur E. Rowse

(snip)
Moro was so shaken by the threats, according to an aide, that he became ill the next day and cut short his U.S. visit,
saying he was through with politics. *52 But U.S. pressure continued; Senator Henry Jackson (D-Wash.) issued a
similar warning two years later in an interview in Italy. *53 Shortly before his kidnapping, Moro wrote an article
replying to his U.S. critics, but decided not to publish it. *54

While being held captive for 55 days, Moro pleaded repeatedly with his fellow Christian Democrats to accept a ransom
offer to exchange imprisoned Red Brigade members for his freedom. But they refused, to the delight of Allied officials
who wanted the Italians to play hardball. In a letter found later, Moro predicted: My death will fall like a curse on all
Christian Democrats, and it will initiate a disastrous and unstoppable collapse of all the party apparatus. *55

During Moro's captivity, police unbelievably claimed to have questioned millions of people and searched thousands of
dwellings. But the initial judge investigating the case, Luciano Infelisi, said he had no police at his disposal. I ran the
investigation with a single typist, without even a telephone in the room. He added that he received no useful
information from the secret services during the time. *56 Other investigating magistrates suggested in 1985 that one
reason for the inaction was that all the key officers involved were members of P-2 and were therefore acting at the
behest of Gelli and the CIA. *57

Although the government eventually arrested and convicted several Red Brigade members, many in the press and
parliament continue to ask whether SID arranged the kidnapping after receiving orders from higher up. Suspicions
naturally turned toward the U.S., particularly Henry Kissinger, though he denied any role in the crime. In Gladio and
the Mafia, Washington had the perfect apparatus for doing such a deed without leaving a trace
(snip)

[JackSwift]

10. Kissinger gives Machiavelli a bad name

by being such a damn nazi

[DerekG]

11. The irony is haunting...

Kissinger escaped Nazi Germany as a boy, only to assimilate the tenet of rule through force which Hitler himself had adhered to.

A Jewish fascist who arose from the ashes of the Aryan fascist.

[hang a left]

12. He is a close personal friend of SATAN

[nolabels]

43. No personal links located for "SATAN" (yet), but did find this looking.

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/05/27/000819.php
(snip)
The following revealing item on Henry Kissinger is extracted from an article from the 'New World Order Intelligence Update' <http://www.nwointelligence.com/NEWWORLD.HTM>:

'And, fellow-Canadians, as a faint echo of the freedoms we have now lost in this once great Dominion, here's a robust exercise of free speech, fresh from the Mother Country, which is now impossible to imagine in modern Canada!



Jeremy Paxman: "It's been 17 years since the last volume of your memoirs. You said you wanted to let the dust settle but need the distance in order to rewrite history?"

Dr Kissinger: "No I based these memoirs on documents which were as valid then as they are now."

Paxman: "What bothers a lot of people is you seem to ignore the human rights of people within regimes with which you're trying to establish a balance of power."

Kissinger: "That's not correct either."

Paxman: question about supporting General Pinochet and undermining President Allende in Chile.

Kissinger: "We did not support Pinochet. In what way did we support Pinochet?"

Paxman: "You supported the military regime."

Kissinger: "After the coup we preferred Pinochet to Allende."

Paxman: "It doesn't stop there... You're on record justifying the Chinese government in Tiananmen Square."

Kissinger:... "I have never supported what the Chinese did in Tiananmen Square."
(snip)

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/china/interviews/kissinger.html

(snip)
Were you asked for your advice during the ?

I had an opportunity to express my views, yes. I agreed with the approach which we took, namely, to make a distinction between the loss of life of the Chinese pilot and our military operations outside territorial waters or territorial limits.


To begin with, it seemed that President Bush or anyone in the administration didn't really apologize or express their regret about the death of a pilot. That seemed to have caused a lot of anguish in China.

Well, I don't know whether it caused anguish in China, but it was not a wise way to proceed. But one has to remember that it was the first experience. And in a Republican administration, there is a conservative wing that looks at China as the last embodiment of communism, which therefore tends towards a more bellicose rhetoric anyway than I would. It's not the dominant element, but every once in a while they get a crack at public statement.
(snip)


http://www.freedommag.org/english/vol34I1/page15.htm
When Greed Sacrificed Democracy
The high costs of failing to safeguard human rights
Seeds of Fire
By Gordon Thomas
Dandelion Books,
Tempe, Arizona, 2001

Reviewed by Marie Bannon


Bob Dylan was once asked for his opinion of his critics. He thought for a moment and answered, “Well, imagine ... writing ... about rock’n’roll.” The same goes for book reviews—attempting in a few pages to explain or criticize what a writer took years of sweat and research to get down on the page is a questionable occupation, and, in the face of genius, can reach absurdity. What is important is that pivotal works be brought to public attention.

Seeds of Fire is such a work. Beyond just good journalism, it is a compelling history of some of the most crucial, and unknown, events of the last two decades.



A HEART WRENCHING JOURNEY INTO CHINA
Gordon Thomas (left) in Tiananmen Square; facing the camera is Tan Yaobang, a People’s Liberation Army company commander. Decisions by U.S. and other leaders to do nothing to help the Chinese people in their quest for democracy had serious consequences—for the demonstrators and for America.


he book, released at the close of 2001, begins with a story of international intrigue: how Israeli spies stole Enhanced Promis, a computer program, and how China obtained six sets of the software for $9 million from newspaper magnate Robert Maxwell, ultimately enabling them to access secrets of our government, including the nuclear secrets of Los Alamos. While this is interesting enough, it is only the beginning of the complex history that Gordon Thomas attempts.

The work really comes alive when the author takes us into China, on the verge of the student demonstrations in 1989. Thomas is a master at personalizing history, bringing the reader onto the scene through firsthand observations of people who were there. Nowhere has he done this better than in Seeds of Fire.
(snip)
(snip)
“In the Beijing office of Kissinger Associates, staff sent an update on the demonstrations to the consultancy’s office in Washington.... The report would be distributed by Henry Kissinger to his fellow board members, former Presidents Jimmy Carter, Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford, as well as executive members Alexander Haig, Robert McFarlane and Zbigniew Brzezinski. Some of the most powerful men in the United States had ‘had their alarm bells rung,’ a Kissinger Associates employee would say. ...

“he United States, insisted the President, would do nothing to make things more difficult . Any approach by the students to the U.S. embassy in Beijing for help was to be firmly refused. ...
(snip)

[AP]

13. since he won a Nobel Peace Prize, he's definitely misunderstood by whom-

ever voted for him.

So, that would make all three true.

[nolabels]

14. And yet another example, this is some good ole home grown........

That I never really noticed and have not seen much of, but the implications that fester in Iran/contra and the saving and loan scams or scandals plug directly in here somewhere

http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/02/12/04_henry.html

Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Henry Kissinger
December 4, 2002
By Barbara O'Brien

(snip)
In 1986-1989, BCCI initiated a series of contacts with Kissinger Associates. Over several months, representatives of BCCI and representatives of Kissinger Associates explored the possibilities for joint projects. Following BCCI's indictment in 1988, representatives continued to meet to discuss how Kissinger Associates might help BCCI respond to the indictment. Kissinger ended these discussions in 1989, according to Kissinger.

BCCI itself may not have become a client of Kissinger Associates. However, a congressional investigation found that BCCI's secretly owned affiliate, the National Bank of Georgia, was.

"The committee has obtained documents showing that the former president of the National Bank of Georgia, Mr. Roy Carlson, received a briefing from Mr. Kissinger. Mr. Carlson's expense report from July 1986 states, `Briefing Session Dr. Henry Kissinger.'

"As Mr. Stoga<*> stated, Kissinger Associates does not give free advice. The National Bank of Georgia therefore must have been a client of Kissinger Associates. After all, Mr. Kissinger knew Ghaith Pharoan's<**> father, an adviser to Saudi royal family, and he knew Ghaith Pharoan for many years."
(snip)

[nolabels]

21. There was a little Humor at that link above

(snip)
Just when you thought George W. Bush couldn't get more outrageous, he appoints Henry Kissinger to head the "independent" September 11 investigation.

Julian Borger writes in The Guardian that Americans reacted to this appointment with "relief mixed with nostalgic affection," while Europeans were surprised to learn Kissinger was not dead or in jail

I knew he was not dead or in jail. But to this American, having him back in government is like finding maggots in a sandwich.
(snip)

The world is getting smaller, I saw this picture

http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/02/12/04_henry.html

Then realized that these would have probably fit better


http://www.thememoryhole.org/pol/kissinger-nose.htm

I really don't like making lite of him, but sometimes things get heavy so one needs to lighten up and have a bite to eat (sorry)

[protect freedom impeach bush now]

16. Kissinger A Certified War Criminal - news links

http://www.zpub.com/un/wanted-hkiss.html

[nolabels]

39. This links story shows another reason why Henry pushes policy

From trying to ICE the I.C.C. court to currying favor of Multi-national Corporations. Thanks for the links from 'protect freedom impeach bush'

http://www.zpub.com/un/wanted-hkiss.html
(snip)
The time was September 11, 1973. The country was Chile. The event was the bloody overthrow of a democratic government. And the criminals were Henry Kissinger, Richard Nixon, The CIA, and Chilean Dictator Augusto Pinochet. Pepsico, ITT, and other large U.S. corporations were also guilty parties in these crimes against the State and against The People of Chile. The Pornography of Power


TOBY HARNDEN, TELEGRAPH, LONDON: Washington reacted furiously to a request by Chilean judges for Henry Kissinger, the former secretary of state, to answer questions about an American journalist killed during the 1973 coup in Chile. A Bush administration official condemned the Chilean supreme court decision to send questions to Dr Kissinger, saying the move increased unease about the proposed International Criminal Court in The Hague. The administration source said: "It is unjust and ridiculous that a distinguished servant of this country should be harassed by foreign courts in this way. The danger of the ICC is that, one day, US citizens might face arrest abroad and prosecution as a result of such politically motivated antics." . . . In its ruling, Chile's supreme court said a list of questions should be sent to the US supreme court with regard to Dr Kissinger's knowledge of the circumstances surrounding the death of Charles Horman, a journalist arrested by troops loyal to General Augusto Pinochet. His body was identified in a mortuary weeks later . . . The Chilean order came less than two months after French detectives delivered a court summons to Dr Kissinger, who was visiting Paris, asking him to testify about the disappearance of French nationals in Chile . . . In another case, a judge in Argentina has ordered Dr Kissinger to testify in a human-rights trial about a 1970s plan by South American governments to kidnap and kill Left-wing critics.

The US involvement in coup planning began even before Allende's election victory, under the code-name FUBELT, with action plans prepared for Kissinger's consideration. One group of officers working under CIA direction carried out the assassination of General Rene Schneider, a pro-Allende officer, in an unsuccessful attempt to spark a full-scale coup before Allende could take office. Can Henry Kissinger be Extradited?

He serves his consulting firm, Kissinger Associates, serves as a sort of private National Security Adviser and Secretary of State to about 30 major corporations around the world, such as American Express, Freeport-McMoRan Minerals, Chase Manhattan Bank, Volvo ... Walter Isaacson on Booknotes
(snip)

[ButterflyBlood]

17. everything but the last one

n/t

[nolabels]

19. In India one hand does the dirty the other hand is used to eat

A lot of people that would like to protect him are old and gray and will probably take it with them when they are gone. None the less they are still out there. I don't support any of this un-collaborated innuendo and trash they spill into ink, but it is still out there and they cling to it like it's the Holy Grail.

I post this because mostly all they can do now is shout that it's lies from the left, but have no evidence to support their refute. Here is an example of such

http://www.nationalreview.com/buckley/buckley101802.asp
(snip)
Henry Kissinger, in the Hitchens-BBC production, is called "the most conspicuous American statesman of the 20th century." That's true, as also the adage that the bigger they come the harder they fall. Kissinger's extraordinary ascendancy and his spectacular achievements rouse the iconoclastic spirits. In order to achieve the desired effects, the prosecution had to decry not only his policies, but his character. Thus it is said that he was ambitious — which is certainly true, as also of Abraham Lincoln. That he was duplicitous, dishonest, deceptive, and, strange to add, disloyal. If he was disloyal, why did he stick by Nixon until the end? And how explain that as soon as Nixon was out of office, President Ford immediately renewed Kissinger's franchise? There are people around who know something about Kissinger's loyalty who were not invited to testify in the BBC production.

If the book and the movie had settled for charging that Kissinger was from time to time detected speaking out of both sides of his mouth, the reader and viewer might have nodded and said: Yes: That is what diplomats are often called upon to do. Another word for it is: They negotiate. People who refuse to do that, meet the fate of Coriolanus.

Amazon.com lists 935 entries under "Nixon," and the wars will rage 100 years from now on the great events in which his secretary of state figured. Was the bombing of Cambodia a legitimate exercise of military power, in a contest in which no declaration of war had been voted? Was the shipment of arms to the generals in Indonesia an endorsement of the genocidal policies to which they were put? Was the shipment of arms to Chilean dissidents a warrant for the execution of a Chilean general?

These questions can be explored usefully, but not in phony theatrical arraignments done mostly for the satisfaction of people engaged in private wars against Henry Kissinger. A Canadian reviewer of the Kissinger film wrote wryly, "If one considers Dr. Kissinger's policies of accommodation with various Communist powers, it would be easier to suggest he is a peace criminal." The historic view that will prevail is that he was the most consistent and resourceful anti-Communist on the scene during a decade in which two presidents sought out his counsel, and the republic profited from it.
(snip)

[sangh0]

18. Not mutually exclusive

In fact, most fascist war criminals are also misunderstood. That's how they get to power.

[nolabels]

20. But they can be one of them with out being the other in their home

county. A couple of examples would be Raygun, a plurality of US citizens would probably only think him as misunderstood even with much evidence indicating otherwise. In Peru Fujimori is a War Criminal, but in Japan he is mearly a Facist that supported their international corporate run governement from across the ocean.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3112075.stm
Japan pressed on Fujimori

The extradition demand is backed by Amnesty International
Peru has formally asked Japan to extradite its former President, Alberto Fujimori, to face charges dating back to the early 1990s.
The Peruvian ambassador to Tokyo handed the 700-page extradition request into the Japanese foreign ministry.
The charges - which Mr Fujimori, now a Japanese citizen, completely denies - include murder, kidnapping and inflicting grievous wounds, the Peruvian foreign ministry said.

Japan rejected a similar request filed through Interpol earlier this year on the grounds that it has no extradition treaty with Peru.
"We will only follow our domestic laws in deciding how to respond," Yasushi Sato, an official at the Japanese foreign ministry said on Thursday, confirming receipt of the new request.

The former president has been living in self-imposed exile in Tokyo since a corruption scandal toppled his government late in November 2000
(snip)

[Octafish]

22. A Rockefeller Stooge.

A philistine. A criminal mastermind. A triggerman. A war criminal. A fascist. A madman.

"The illegal we do immediately. The un-Constitutional takes a little longer."

Name That Criminal

by Greg Guma

EXCERPT...

What we do know is this: According to declassified documents that anyone can read on the National Security Archive website, Kissinger, Nixon, and CIA Director Richard Helms ordered a coup even before Allende assumed office. Kissinger and Alexander Haig worked out the details, described in an October 15, 1970, memo. "It is the firm and consistent policy that Allende be overthrown by a coup," wrote CIA Deputy Director of Plans Thomas Karamessines, who coordinated the operation. "We are to continue to generate maximum pressure toward this end utilizing every appropriate resource. It is imperative that these actions be implemented clandestinely and securely so that the USG and American hand be well hidden."

It took two years, but the goal was achieved. In a victory report, Naval attache' Patrick Ryan called September 11, 1972, "our D-day," noting that the coup "was close to perfect." Over the next few years, the State Department received detailed reports on the escalating death toll under Pinochet. Yet, a memo has Kissinger telling the general that the US is "sympathetic with what you are trying to do here."

CONTINUED...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/International_War_Crimes/Kissinger_Pinochet%20.html

Here's a great resource for all things Henry the Turd:

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Kissinger/HKissinger.html

[nolabels]

38. Evidence of wide spread torture in Chile is what perked my ears

The manipulations that set up the circumstances up for the coup in Chile up are reprehensible, and to think they recorded all their actions in the Nixon White House

Dang, how about this link from the thirdworldtraveler

http://www.icai-online.org/45365,Index.html
http://www.icai-online.org/68796,55541.html
Kissinger Watch #11

Dear readers,

In the last few months we have been consulting with lawyers and human rights activists in several countries to assess possibilities of legal action against Henry Kissinger by invoking national legislation (through universal jurisdiction). Notwithstanding the fact that the avenue towards justice for the victims of Kissinger's multiple crimes is strewn with obstacles, we strongly believe it is worthwhile pursuing this route. If you feel you can contribute in any way to this goal, please let us know.

In the meantime, we continue to illuminate Kissinger's multifarious record. In this issue, we focus on Indochina with articles by Ben Kiernan, Director of Yale University's Genocide Studies Program, and Laos expert and investigative journalist Fred Branfman.

Branfman highlights the most heavily bombed country on earth. More bombs were dropped on Laos than on Germany and Japan combined during World War II (article 1). Apart from the direct casualties - presumably several hundred thousand people killed - in the last twenty years remnants of US cluster bombs have killed more than 11,000 Laotian civilians.
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As well as showing which files are most downloaded, the statistics of our website tell us that thus far we have had more than 100,000 hits from over 60 different countries. Thanks for your continuing interest and support. Last but not least and as promised we provide information on how to obtain the film 'The Trials of Henry Kissinger' (article 3).

Thanks for your readership
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[Capn Sunshine]

23. YES TO ALL

The older he gets, the harder it is to understand him

[leftofthedial]

26. yes.

first, he's a fascist.

second, he's a war criminal.

third, he is very hard to understand.

[sushi]

25. War criminal!

No wonder the "Kissinger papers" can't be read until many years (25?) after he's gone.

[nolabels]

27. You know many people are sick of this guy

Every corner of the globe he has screwed with. I am sure there are enough people around the globe that want justice done, and the things he has done laid out for the world to see. I do feel dissmayed that usa gives him safe harbor for his physical body.

I am glad there are a few that don't want to give his name safe harbor, thanks for the posts guys. I tried to write the orginal post from a neutral perspective, but it is hard to even think I got half way there

The things that he has done cannot be erased, but to bring it out can lessen the burden for some. He can now run, but he never will be able to hide again

His name comes up quite often, and I often wonder whats the deal with the people that keep company with Henry? Are they deaf and blind or do they live under a rock.

http://regenerationtv.com/pipermail/imc-la/2000-October/001412.html

>DATE: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:51:10
>From: Aaron <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected], [email protected],
>[email protected]
>Cc:[email protected], [email protected], Steve Wagner
><[email protected]>, ARON KAY <[email protected]>
>Comrades & compas:
>
>Henry Kissinger is scheduled to speak at the Berkeley Community Theater on
>Tuesday, November 28.
>
>When recently retired NATO Supreme Commander Wesley Clark spoke at the same
>venue (and with the same sponsorship) on October 17, we managed to get only
>about 40-50 people out to oppose him. This was partly due to the fact that
>Clark, who commanded NATO during the bombing of Yugoslavia, is hardly
>known.
>But it is also true that our organizing efforts could have been more
>energetic. As far as I know, the International Action Center (IAC) was the
>only organization that put out a leaflet and mobilized for the action.
>
>Although we didn't have enough people to seriously obstruct war-criminal
>Clark's fiesta, we managed to be very much a presence to people going in,
>forcing them to recognize our protest whether they took a leaflet or not.
>(We
>ran out of leaflets, unfortunately.) And four people who managed to get
>tickets* got themselves thrown out after disrupting the event from inside.
>
>We have five weeks to go till Kissinger's intended appearance, and Henry is
>known and hated by many more people than is Wesley Clark. If we organize
>diligently, we should be able to get over 1,000 people out there. Even
>100-200
>people displaying the levels of militancy that we showed in Seattle or
>Prague
>should be able to get Henry to do a disappearing act. But the more of us
>there
>are, the safer we'll be. (I hope that those people who don't want to be
>involved in a blockade or other physical confrontation will show up anyway
>and
>demonstrate legally at a distance they consider safe.)
>
> - Solidarity in struggle,
> - Aaron
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I thought Wesley Clark was a democrat, what is he doing chumin around with Henry in this venue?

on edit: clarity

[Zuni]

28. not a fascist but a war criminal

I wouldn't call him fascist, but more of an Machiavellian meddler. His ideological convictions are nil, unlike a deeply ideological fascist. Fascists also have a warped sense of morals, while Kissinger had none. No principle but pure power mattered much to Henry the K.

He has less morals than visible neck.
A truly sick man.

Read Seymour Hersh's book "kissinger in the Nixon White House' or 'Sideshow' by William Shawcross--both are absolutely devestating critics of this amoral deviant.

[dudeness]

31. mass murderer

n/t required on this reprehensible servant of the state..

[Zuni]

32. I wouldn't even call him a 'servant of the state'

He served no one but himself. In fact he often showed contempt for American principles, American citizens, American laws etc. Essentially he was a machiavellian schemer in the worst sense of the term.
He admired the Soviet Union because it's officals did not have to answer to the public!
That is what happens when a brilliant mind is combined with no charecter.

[emad]

33. Cunning criminal who covered Thatcher's ass but inadvertantly

got her booted out of office.

[nolabels]

36. Bet they are still buddies, small circles again

http://www.converge.org.nz/pma/arthat.htm

How Thatcher gave Pol Pot a Hand
New Statesman (UK)
17 April 2000
John Pilger

Almost two million Cambodians died as a result of Year Zero. John Pilger argues that, without the complicity of the US and Britain, it may never have happened
On 17 April, it is 25 years since Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge entered Phnom Penh. In the calendar of fanaticism, this was Year Zero; as many as two million people, a fifth of Cambodia's population, were to die as a consequence. To mark the anniversary, the evil of Pol Pot will be recalled, almost as a ritual act for voyeurs of the politically dark and inexplicable. For the managers of western power, no true lessons will be drawn, because no connections will be made to them and to their predecessors, who were Pol Pot's Faustian partners. Yet, without the complicity of the west, Year Zero might never have happened, nor the threat of its return maintained for so long.
Declassified United States government documents leave little doubt that the secret and illegal bombing of then neutral Cambodia by President Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger between 1969 and 1973 caused such widespread death and devastation that it was critical in Pol Pot's drive for power. "They are using damage caused by B52 strikes as the main theme of their propaganda," the CIA director of operations reported on 2 May 1973. "This approach has resulted in the successful recruitment of young men. Residents say the propaganda campaign has been effective with refugees in areas that have been subject to B52 strikes." In dropping the equivalent of five Hiroshimas on a peasant society, Nixon and Kissinger killed an estimated half a million people. Year Zero began, in effect, with them; the bombing was a catalyst for the rise of a small sectarian group, the Khmer Rouge, whose combination of Maoism and medievalism had no popular base.
After two and a half years in power, the Khmer Rouge was overthrown by the Vietnamese on Christmas Day, 1978. In the months and years that followed, the US and China and their allies, notably the Thatcher government, backed Pol Pot in exile in Thailand. He was the enemy of their enemy: Vietnam, whose liberation of Cambodia could never be recognised because it had come from the wrong side of the cold war. For the Americans, now backing Beijing against Moscow, there was also a score to be settled for their humiliation on the rooftops of Saigon.
To this end, the United Nations was abused by the powerful. Although the Khmer Rouge government ("Democratic Kampuchea") had ceased to exist in January 1979, its representatives were allowed to continue occupying Cambodia's seat at the UN; indeed, the US, China and Britain insisted on it. Meanwhile, a Security Council embargo on Cambodia compounded the suffering of a traumatised nation, while the Khmer Rouge in exile got almost everything it wanted. In 1981, President Jimmy Carter's national security adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, said: "I encouraged the Chinese to support Pol Pot." The US, he added, "winked publicly" as China sent arms to the Khmer Rouge.

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The Cambodian training became an exclusively British operation after the "Irangate" arms-for-hostages scandal broke in Washington in 1986. "If Congress had found out that Americans were mixed up in clandestine training in Indo-China, let alone with Pol Pot," a Ministry of Defence source told O'Dwyer-Russell, "the balloon would have gone right up. It was one of those classic Thatcher-Reagan arrangements." Moreover, Margaret Thatcher had let slip, to the consternation of the Foreign Office, that "the more reasonable ones in the Khmer Rouge will have to play some part in a future government". In 1991, I interviewed a member of "R" (reserve) Squadron of the SAS, who had served on the border. "We trained the KR in a lot of technical stuff - a lot about mines," he said. "We used mines that came originally from Royal Ordnance in Britain, which we got by way of Egypt with marking changed . . . We even gave them psychological training. At first, they wanted to go into the villages and just chop people up. We told them how to go easy . . ."
The Foreign Office response was to lie. "Britain does not give military aid in any form to the Cambodian factions," stated a parliamentary reply. The then prime minister, Thatcher, wrote to Neil Kinnock: "I confirm that there is no British government involvement of any kind in training, equipping or co-operating with Khmer Rouge forces or those allied to them." On 25 June 1991, after two years of denials, the government finally admitted that the SAS had been secretly training the "resistance" since 1983. A report by Asia Watch filled in the detail: the SAS had taught "the use of improvised explosive devices, booby traps and the manufacture and use of time-delay devices". The author of the report, Rae McGrath (who shared a joint Nobel Peace Prize for the international campaign on landmines), wrote in the Guardian that "the SAS training was a criminally irresponsible and cynical policy". (snip)

Also found this nice little peace on Margaret dealing with oil

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/ops/war/2000/02/game/344.htm
Separatism, Islam and Oil
Separatism, Islam and oil are the words that are most frequently used when the situation in the Caucasus is described.
Nezavisimaya Gazeta (18/03/98) carried an article by Yusup Soslambekov, president of the Confederation of the Peoples of the Caucasus, which described the situation in the Caucasus and pointed to the growing external pressure on the region.
The objective of the political-ideological and financial centres operating in Georgia, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and some Western states is to reduce the strategic space of Russia. The goals of these organisations were openly put forth at the February 1997 international scientific shop conference in Georgia. It was held by the Caucasian bureau of the Vertik organisation, based in London and headed by Dennis Sammut, an ex-member of a British special service, and the Istanbul branch of the Caucasian Common Market organisation, which also has its headquarters in London and is advised by Zbigniew Bzhezinski, Henry Kissinger and Margaret Thatcher. Other organisers of the conference were Georgian MPs from the ruling party and the London Institute of War and Peace.
A British diplomat said off the record that Russia had actually pulled out of the North Caucasus, which is becoming a vital region for the West, for several reasons. The forthcoming dissolution of Russia, which will mark the final end of the Cold War, will begin in the outskirts (the diplomat clearly meant the North Caucasus).
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[buddhamama]

37. War Criminal

corporate fascist

[bobthedrummer]

40. Misunderstood war criminal that helped many fascists when he was young

helped them to become Americans in American national security positions IMHO.

Kissinger served in Army Counterintelligence Corps {CIC}. At the close of WWII he stayed on in West Germany. After awhile he was assigned to the 970th CIC Detachment, later known as the 66th CIC Detachment "whose functions included support for the recruitment of ex-Nazi intelligence officers for anti-Soviet operations inside the Soviet bloc." {Seymour Hersh;p.26; "The Price of Power:Kissinger in the Nixon White House";Summit Books 1983}.

While 24 and attending Harvard as an undergraduate in 1947 Kissinger kept his military intelligence ties by being a Reserve officer. In 1950 as a grad student Kissinger took a part-time job in the Defense Department as a consultant to DoD Operations Research Office.

"That unit, under the direct control of the JCS, conducted highly classified studies on such topics as the utilization of former German operatives and Nazi partisan supporters in CIA clandestine activities.

In 1952, Kissinger was named a consultant to the director of the Psychological Strategy Board, an operating arm of the NSC for covert psychological and paramilitary operations."
{p.27; "The Price of Power"}.

[nolabels]

45. Another BINGO, I figured there was something funny about Henry

Thanks again

[Hubert Flottz]

42. Try David Rockefeller Stooge!

Like so many others in Washington!

[xJlM]

46. All of the above?

I can't believe he's not in a prison, or awaiting execution somewhere today. Just more proof that the repugs get away with anything.