The 9-11 'effect': still working, or petered out?

[mopaul]

9-11 was specifically designed to advance a particular purpose. and it did, in spades.

but has that been diluted and made weak by fading memory? have we all gotten over it and moved on? have we accepted the official white house story, and decided that focusing on the future is more important than dwelling on the past?

9-11 gave bush and his nazi handlers everything they've ever wanted and more. but now that memory has lessened the horror of it, some of the shock effect is wearing off. and i fear it's time for another lesson in democracy, for us slower students.

[Skittles]

1. I was thinking about that today, mopaul

I saw the documentary 9/11 at Blockbuster - I started wondering will we EVER know the truth about what really happened? I'm disgusted the American people let it be exploited so shamelessly by sick republicans. DISGUSTED.

[applegrove]

2. Sorry bud. The only ones who designed 9/11 are hiding in caves.

Bush & his ilk just designed the foreign policies that led to the cave people having an extra few Billion lying around. The elites everywhere love to promote the tribal groups.. means they do not have to give up power to a democracy if everyone is running around according to customary law.

This is a case where the tribalism up and bit both the Bush family, & the USA, but will bite at the elites in the Middle East in the end.. as democracy is the only thing that ends tribalism.

Bush & his neocon buddies have learnt well from there Saudi friends. And now.. in order to have an uber rich class that never ends ... it is tribalism for Americans.

How weird is that.

Bush & his ilk were just figuring out what their past policies had done (Saddam was their model..not bin Laden). Bin Laden did the deed and they exploited the opportunity to make a precedent for pre-emptive war. That was dumb. They will have to pay for that. Everyone knows they lied about WMD. Stupid control freaks.

I hope one day you can let go of what happened on 9/11. People really did see those two planes go into the building. And America the great was brought to its knees that day by a pipsqueak..okay a very tall pipsqueak. And it gave Bush & Rove what they needed to get the Iraq ball rolling.

[CJCRANE]

6. "Democracy...ends tribalism"...

well, not necessarily. In many countries multiparty democracy just becomes another form of tribalism. There need to be lot more checks and balances than just "democracy".

I'd guess that what ends tribalism is the rule of law (based on secular human rights) and the separation of powers.

[applegrove]

11. Both of those things are found mostly in democracies. Because

the rule of law is supposed to be about more than just servicing a small ruling elite.

Democracy demands that you come together and vote for one leader or the other. And that win or loose, you accept the outcome for a few years.

It forces you to empathize.

[pretzel4gore]

17. the media is corrupt

the news/info/entertainment media is possibly the most corrupt, evil institution in the world right now...it gave us bush, it gave us 911, it gives us hell
> if obl was the true 'genius' (cuz if 911 wasn't a preplanned, media coordinated domestic terror operation funded by US secret government, and was indeed the result of mad mullahs etc then the mullahs truly are mad geniuses and luckier then my cat) behind 911 then i'll eat something unpalatable...also, we should enlist the mad mullahs on a war on poverty, or building colonies in outer space, or something neat....

[applegrove]

24. It was a very simple crime. The suiciders didn't even have to learn

how to take off or land the planes. They just had to know enough to steer. They hit the WTC as low as they could..so that the weight above the damaged floors would cause huge pressure. Any engineer could have figured that one out.. and as soon as the attack happened, lay engineers every said: "yup - that was easy".

[mopaul]

25. boxcutters vs. the mighty u.s. security infrastructure

hhhmmmmm

[pretzel4gore]

26. i don't have to be right, but you do....or the kids' future is fukked

even w/out 911, bush renders the future hideous...if you factor in outright, premediated treason/mass murder and all the rest MIHOP indicates, then....isn't it better to be safe then....sorry?
the entire rightwing must be shut down...for a long long time

[applegrove]

29. I agree they are a scary bunch. I would just hope that you can take

a few steps back and let go of 9/11. Because that is a kind of way to get stuck in the past. You know..see the big picture (George Bush & he neocons freaks are a bunch of monsters who want to do away with the middle class for reasons of kool-aid drinking elite utopian ideals that will destroy our way of life). There were so many witnesses to 9/11.

I do think Bush was very opportunistic and concentrated immediately on what he could get out of the tragedy instead of healing the country. I think that is a horrid way to be a leader.. lie to them instead of lead people out of a tragedy. When they are already so vulnerable.

I think that will go down in history as just about the meanest act any Western World Leader has ever done. The leader who did not lead. He used his people instead.

[Jamastiene]

3. Still working.

Much like the magic bullet theory (JFK), people don't seem to want to know the truth. The truth is usually stranger than fiction and people seem to actually get high on the fear for some odd reason. I wish they'd snap out of it already.

[mopaul]

5. given the choice of truth or mythology, mythology wins

it's easy to believe in certain myths we all cherish, but the ugly truth remains.

[KlatooBNikto]

10. No the basis of 9/11 was Bush's grasp that the racism of Americans

can be counted on to maintain and preserve the myth of Arabs hijacking planes and slamming them into the Towers.That racism is alive and well the last I checked.So, expect this mythology to last for sometime until someone like Robert MacNamara opens up and confesses,as in his role on the Gulf of Tonkin.Remember that took more than 30 years after the fact.

[Swamp Rat]

4. Start passing out the sunglasses

[radfringe]

7. losing it's effect as a scare tactic

the last "terra-lert" during the 2004 campaign was met with much criticism - there were hints and suggestions about a connection between issuing terra-lerts and bush*'s poll numbers. his "bump" in the polls was small compared to other "bumps" from previous terra-lerts

he's cried "wolf" too many times with vague, non-specific, fuzzy terra-lerts.

granted there are still some kook-aid drinkers out there that head to Home depot for duct tape and plastic sheeting whenever a terra-lert sounded.

what worries me more is the bushies LIHOP -- issue a terra-lert and then let a REAL attack occur that causes just enough damage/injury to scare the pants off of everyone.

would the bushies's do this? I have no doubt - if they can work it to their political advantage - they wouldn't hesitate

[solinvictus]

8. I agree, they've used it too much...

The constant FOX News visual of terra lerts and color charts have had the exact opposite effect. Back in 2003-2004, the government issued too many vague generalities, like " Messages intercepted three months ago indicate that terrorists might threaten some important target in Sheboygan, Minnesota or Baltimore, Maryland" With that sort of precise information and delays between interception and announcement, no one pays attention any more, and rightly so.

[radfringe]

9. if you toss in the WMD's that weren't

it kind of erodes credibility on all fronts of the "terra-war"

[Dawgs]

16. It got Bush elected...

I don't think they care about terror lerts anymore.

[Flubadubya]

13. Don't miss the real point of the "terra-lerts"...

There has not been ONE SINGLE TERRA-LERT since the 2004 election. They are simply no longer needed! Got it!?

[recoveringrepublican]

12. I'm not sure, but I noticed the History channel was showing

that show something like "9-11 the rise and fall of WTC" last night at Midnight EST. I'm assuming it was also show at 9pm. Wonder if that has anything to do with Bush's low approval rating?

[radfringe]

14. that was my thought

while channel-surfing and caught the segment... mumbled to my partner that bush's numbers must have taken another dive

the numbers are in the toilet -- hoping that someone will just flush it already..... :hurts:

[KlatooBNikto]

15. These numbers would mean something if we had honest elections.

But Bush has made sure they are a thing of the past.So, as Alfred E.Neuman says "What me worry?"

[tinanator]

21. excellent point

thanks

[MsTryska]

18. I think as far as Wall Street is concerned

it's petering out - looks liek the markets are starting to bounce back, altho record prices for crude oil are messing with the flow at the moment, which i suppose, they should.


as far as on a human level - i'm not sure - i think the fear has dissipated soemwhat - or perhaps just redirected into anger at stupid stuff, like gay people having rights.

[Flubadubya]

19. Does anyone but me think it ODD...

that the terror alerts stopped immediately and abruptly after George F'in Bush was declared President for a second term?

No one seems to have picked up on this, or at least don't appear to see the significance of it. Why were there so many of them pre-election, and now NONE post election? ...not a single one!

Those damned things are terribly expensive, but obviously the "regime" felt it cost-effective in controlling the American people and their vote. "Keep 'em scared and keep us in (power)."

[mopaul]

22. glaringly odd

had one right before the dem. nat. convention, one right before the election, (and osama's halloween tape),...then, all's quiet on the western front.

every single thing about 9-11 STINKS.

[tinanator]

20. approval ratings down again

Id wait awhile before flying or hanging out in big buildings.

[Rockholm]

23. Petered...With a caveat.

For those of us who are intelligent free thinkers, 9/11 is all petered out.
For the sheeple and the weak minded, 9/11 is a powerful tool to keep people in line.

[Discord]

27. Found a interesting bit in a foreign report.

<SNIP>

It is said that truth is the first casualty in war. The report of the "Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States regarding WMD" has established that truth is a casualty long before a war is embarked upon.

The two points that Donald Rumsfeld stressed upon vigorously many times when it came to the question of Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction was that, "lack of evidence of it (WMDs) was not evidence of the lack of it." He reinforced this point further by saying that that even a "trained ape" knew it was true.

The report of the commission set up by President Bush to determine the intelligence capabilities, have come out with a most damning indictment of US intelligence agencies for getting it "dead wrong" about Iraq's WMDs. And to think that such a mess in Iraq, with more than hundred thousand Iraqi civilian deaths and more than 1,500 US soldiers killed, has all been the consequences of botched intelligence analysis. And nobody will be made to answer for this death and destruction.

<SNIP>

These are the opening paragraphs of an article written by
Brig Gen Shahedul Anam Khan ndc, psc (Retd)

Full article here:

http://www.thedailystar.net/2005/04/07/d50407020329.htm


I found the comment about "trained apes" pretty funny. You think Rummy was referring to Da Chimp?

[BiggJawn]

28. It's still working.

That story about the guy at Best Buy who was arrested for trying to buy something with $2 bills? Remember what the police chief said after it was pointed out that $2 bills are real?

"Well, since 9-11...."

I still see "9-11 we will NEVER forget" signs and bumper stickers.

People still unquestioningly believe any crap their EMA/Police officials hand out "Lest 9-11 happen HERE!" (and those same EMA officials still use 9-11 as an excuse to exhort tons of cash from their municipalities for "toys" and "education" trips)

Yeah, 9-11 still works, and when BUSHCO feels it has lost it's power, like December 7th has, then we'll get a "reminder". Don't forget: O-sumguy Bin Forgotten is still out there....