watched "The Corporation" last nite, just bought two gallons of organic

[Demonaut]

milk, never will I ever drink regular milk again. its too bad that the MSM rarely reports the truth, if I hadnt seen "Super Size Me" or "The Corporation" I would still be happily eating my cheerios with rBGH contaminated milk for breakfast and burgers and fries from McDonalds for lunch. I highly recommend these movies, DU has opened my mind and these movies have closed my gullet to crap food

[xfundy]

1. Try soy milk!

I'm not a vegetarian, vegan, etc by any means, but a friend persuaded me to try soy milk recently, and I cringed at the thought, but actually like it better than regular milk. Most milk originating in the US is contaminated in one fashion or another, and the standards for "organic" products have been weakened by the repukes.

[Goathead]

12. Try Vitasoy "green tea soy"

If you can get past it looking like green puke, it is really good. I like the Vitasoy "rich chocolate" too

[tsuki]

14. I went to Publix last week for celery. The organic was grown in Mexico.

I started looking at all their produce, organic or not. Mexico. What is up with that?

Back to my local for American organic.

[NashVegas]

23. Organics In Conventional Grocers

Yes, you'll find less local produce in your "normal" grocers (as opposed to places Whole Foods and Wild Oats).

Celery is one of those things I'm really picky about. Once you've had organic celery that has full flavor, you can't go back to bland celery.

[tsuki]

26. Thank God we have a local here. We grow much of our own, but celery

is very touchy. But the smell of celery, onions, garlic and bell pepper sauteing is not to be believed.

[kittenpants]

59. Publix is a 'publican company anyway.

[xxqqqzme]

41. same here - I haven't

had cow milk in years. Once I did the soy thing, no turning back. And if its organic soy milk, so much the better.

[Goldmund]

44. And what makes you think that soy milk isn't contaminated?

[catzies]

64. Make sure they use non-GMO soybeans in your brand

Most soy products self-identify if they're non-GMO.

[Bouncy Ball]

2. They've also found trace amounts of pus and blood from

infected udders in regular milk. We drink ONLY organic skim or soy around here. Have been for about three years. Also, that regular cheese, sour cream, butter, etc, all have regular milk in them, too. Switch over to organic. It's more expensive, but you are also supporting organic farmers. They need our help. It's like David vs. Goliath.

[enki23]

10. you *really* think organic milk won't have any of that?

that would be pretty ignorant.

[Demonaut]

15. somewhat nasty response, I guess it's label stating "Produced WITHOUT

ANTIBIOTICS, added GROWTH HORMONES or DANGEROUS PESTICIDES" (thier caps not mine) is misleading and/or false. Go to www.horizonorganic.com for full disclosure...thanks but I'd rather have a label with a notice than one without.

[Bouncy Ball]

29. Ah a visitor from the Milk and Dairy Board?

:rofl:

Yes I think organic milk would NOT have trace amounts of pus and blood. Seeing as they use completely different practices AND their product undergoes more stringent labeling, it would be very difficult.

I'll put it to you this way: if I drink regular milk, I can pretty much count on knowing there are trace amounts of pus and blood in every other gallonfull. If I drink organic milk, chances are there AREN'T any of those things. Plus no hormones, antibiotics, pesticides, fungicides, herbicides, etc. None of that nasty stuff for me and mine, thankyouverymuch.

[enki23]

45. someone from a farm, who has worked on a dairy farm

and who helped milk a cow by hand for around thirteen years. and that milk was as "organic" as you can get. that didn't stop the cow from getting mastitis on infrequent, but real occasions, or chapped and potentially infected teats. udder balm is nice and all, but basically you are not going to completely avoid trace amounts of blood and other biological products in the milk on occasion.

not going to fucking happen.

in fact, using less antibiotics means infections will be *MORE* frequent. that's balanced in the big picture by the fact that you aren't helping to breed antibiotic resistance. in the small picture, however, it means you'll have a higher rate of infection. and given that mastitis isn't always going to be detectable or detected immediately, you are going to end up with some blood and pus in your milk sometimes.

period.

oh, and not every "organic" farmer is going to care enough to be as careful as he can be, in any case.

[Catherine Vincent]

24. All these years I've been drinking milk that may have pus and blood in it?

:-(

[Bouncy Ball]

28. TRACE amounts.

Not that that will make a difference for you if it grosses you out, but trace amounts really are terribly small amounts. If that makes you feel any better. It's still too much for me.

[SammyWinstonJack]

42. Just reading about it grosses me out never mind actually

ingesting even 'trace' amounts. :puke:

[AllyCat]

3. What is the Corporation?

I haven't been a milk drinker for many, many years. Have finally convinced my fiance to drink organic (he says the taste difference is noticeably better). Personally, I like rice milk, but soy milk is good too.

I'm sure this movie would be preaching to the choir, but I'd like to know more about it.

Thanks!

[Demonaut]

6. A bit complex to explain with my limited typing capabilites but

It's a movie just released on dvd that explains the emergence of corporations as legally recognized "persons" and the influence they have on MSM and politics and thier non-existant accountability to the public. please rent it asap, very, very good!

[Lisa]

7. more information

http://www.thecorporation.com/

Apparently it's based on an earlier book -- I haven't read it yet, but I've seen the movie a couple of times now (when it was released in theatres, and also on TV -- it was originally a 3-part TV miniseries in Canada). The film version is long, but just packed with information.

[EVDebs]

13. The Corporation movie shows that this 'person' is a psychopath!

"To more precisely assess the "personality" of the corporate "person," a checklist is employed, using actual diagnostic criteria of the World Health Organization and the DSM-IV, the standard diagnostic tool of psychiatrists and psychologists. The operational principles of the corporation give it a highly anti-social "personality": It is self-interested, inherently amoral, callous and deceitful; it breaches social and legal standards to get its way; it does not suffer from guilt, yet it can mimic the human qualities of empathy, caring and altruism. Four case studies, drawn from a universe of corporate activity, clearly demonstrate harm to workers, human health, animals and the biosphere. Concluding this point-by-point analysis, a disturbing diagnosis is delivered: the institutional embodiment of laissez-faire capitalism fully meets the diagnostic criteria of a "psychopath."" from

http://www.thecorporation.com/index.php?page_id=2

Please read the synopsis. It's quite good.

[Lisa]

17. when the credits rolled, I was shocked to recognize one of the researchers

I'd gone to college with him, back in the 1980s -- I didn't even know he'd moved to Vancouver. The funny thing is, he'd gone through a yuppie/capitalist phase ... I bet our economics/development profs would be gratified to learn that they might have had some kind of impact!

[jdj]

4. the Supersize me guy just got his own show.

on FX I think, he's going to do a series of shorts on other 30 day experiments, like being in jail for that long.

[tubbacheez]

5. The rabbit hole goes deeper. Some links from the Weston A. Price Fndn.

These folks were anti-transfat long before being anti-transfat was cool.





Know Your Fats
http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/index.html


The Oiling of America
http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/oiling.html


The Double Danger of High Fructose Corn Syrup
http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/highfructose.html


Myths and Truths about Soy
http://www.westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtsoy.html


Flouridation: Fraud of the Century
http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/fluoridationfraud.html


How To Protect Yourself Against Cancer
http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndiseases/cancer_broch.html


Why The Current U.S. Dietary Guidelines Are Making Americans Fat
http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/guidelines.html






Much more on their site:
http://www.westonaprice.org/

[Cats Against Frist]

50. Totally fascinating

When I lived in Sweden, one of those countries with bukku life expectancy, the people around me shoveled in heavy cream, lard-fried cheese steaks (and I mean a fried piece of cheese the size of a small baseball glove), whole milk cottage cheese, milk, yogurt, creme fraische (sp?), lard-fried pork and chicken -- creamy stuff like shrimp cheese and full-fat dip, reindeer salami -- things I had never dreamed of eating -- and while they were NOT skinny -- like the "Swedish Bikini Team," they were healthy, kind of sturdy and in great health. They didn't smoke, or do drugs, they walked around a lot, and ate a ton of vegetables with the above creamy, meaty treats -- along with a buttload of salmon, lutefisk and herring. And they made their tomato sauces and food from scratch, shopped at organic co-ops -- I didn't know it at the time, but I now honestly believe that the proliferation of "low cholesterol," chemically processed, antibiodic-pumped, hydrogenated dairy products, oils and other clap trap that the death industry pushes on us is the reason why we're so fat and unhealthy. Not to mention McDonald's on top of it.

I think there's something to be said for eating heavy cream and butter, as opposed to skim milk and margarine. And I'll stand by that.

[tubbacheez]

51. Yup, out of all my great-grandparents, the longest lived were...

the ones who stayed with traditional diets. The more Westernized ones, no matter how health-conscious, all died at younger ages.




Some of the articles at the Weston A. Price Foundation point to how certain studies got improperly adopted by the FDA and even the AMA.

I'll stick with traditional diets, thank you very much.

[lastliberalintexas]

52. Oh, creme fraiche

and strawberries. Manna from the gods. :)

[WolverineDG]

8. Here's something to think about

Years ago, my parents had me tested for allergies. According to the allergist, I was allergic to, among other things, milk & mold (& what are most antibiotics made from?). When I had regular milk/milk products for a short time (less than a week), I broke out into red, dry, itchy patches on my skin.

So, for years, milk was off my grocery list. Then I got on a coffee kick, tried soy milk, had some weird thyroid reaction, & noticed that my grocery store offered organic half & half. I went ahead & "bit the bullet" so to speak. Guess what? NO REACTION. NONE. ZIP. NADA.

Being the little experimenter that I am, I branched out into organic yogurt, butter, & at long last, milk. STILL NO REACTION.

Could it be that I was reacting to the hormones, antibiotics, & other crap they shoot up the cows with & not the milk itself? Hmm.

BTW, a co-worker who was also diagnosed with milk & mold allergies started using organic dairy products as well & told me she also now has no reaction to organic milk/dairy.

dg

[Bouncy Ball]

32. I believe it.

Not only that, but organic diary products tastes FAR better than regular ones. They actually TASTE fresh. I've been buying only organic diary products for probably four years now and if I ever have regular milk, etc. I can taste the chemical-ey taste in it. Ech.

[lindsayg]

9. Great documentary

Saw it last year.. It's on sale @ amazon.com now, check it out!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0007DBJM8/qid=1112911045/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/104-2922044-5059910?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. OMG. I think I'm going to be sick.

:puke: and to think I LOVE MILK! I like soy milk, but usually drink regular milk...not anymore! I just ordered The Corporation. I hate to see what else I've been eating/drinking and my SON! OMG...it makes me ill to think about it.. :scared:

[NashVegas]

16. I've Been Drinking Organic Milk For 10-12 Years

Whole milk, at that.

What is beginning to annoy me is all the conventional milk drinkers making the switch and bringing with them their demands for non-fat, 1% fat, etc.

When I first started drinking organic milk, you could find it two ways: whole and low-fat. As more grocers want to cater to a crowd willing to spend more money, whole milk is getting squeezed off the shelves in favor of those with dietary desires. 1% fat milk ain't milk! It's white water.

My brand of preference (Organic Valley, which is still a real co-op) is no longer available at Krogers; Horizon Organic (owned by Dean Foods) has all but pushed it out of the case.

And now Horizon is coming in plastic jugs, too. Sad, sad.

[Demonaut]

18. other than plastic jugs what distinguishes Organic Valley from Horizon?

and you're right, krogers only had Horizon.

[NashVegas]

20. Horizon

for some reason, the taste seems to 'go' faster than OV. Even when it's in regular cartons.

And, as I said: Horizon has corporatized.

[RebelOne]

57. Some interesting information about Horizon

http://www.notmilk.com/horizon.html


An excerpt

"Oh yes...organic milk. The healthiest milk from the healthiest cow is naturally loaded with lactoferrins, immunoglobulins, and growth hormones. Horizon's organic milk contains animal fat and cholesterol, dioxins, and bacteria. The amount of somatic cells (pus) in organic milk is lower than milk from non-organic cows, but it's still dead white blood cells and dead bacteria. Ask yourself this question. Does organic human breast milk sound like a delicious drink for an adult human? Instinctively, most people know that there are substances in breast milk that are not intended for their adult bodies. Same goes for pig's milk and dog's milk. Same for cow's milk."

[jean]

21. and the irony is low fat isn't good for us

[NashVegas]

22. 'zat so?

I laugh when stuff like that comes out.

[Bouncy Ball]

31. Well you can blame me, then,

I will only drink skim organic. Skim has more calcuim than whole AND is obviously lower in fat and cholesterol. I have a genetic tendency to high cholesterol no matter how great of a shape I'm in and I really have to watch that.

If it'll make you feel better, I'll just switch over completely to soy.

:eyes:

I think it's great that more and more people are purchasing organic. Those organic farmers need all the help they can get against the Big Guys.

[NashVegas]

38. Why I Oughtta ....

I think soy would be great for you!

[Bouncy Ball]

39. ..

:rofl:

We do supplement with soy and cook with it quite a bit. I'm vegetarian, too (but not vegan). Regular milk is also out of the question because of how milk cows are treated on regular dairy farms. Ug. Regular eggs are out of the question because of how those hens are treated.

[rockedthevoteinMA]

19. Haven't seen it, but will soon. I made the switch last month to

organic milk. I ran out last week, and drank the parents regular in my morning coffee... the difference was amazing! The taste of regular milk in the coffee ruined it. I could not believe the difference. And if any of you go to starbucks (I know, corporate coffee is bad) they offer organic or soy milk for your coffee for a few cents extra.

[DenaliDemocrat]

25. Organic Milk---YES

Organic vegetables -- NO!

I used to inspect organic farms for the state. NO WAY do I eat orgnaic food. In my opinon, some of it is far more dangerous than pesticide residue.

[jackstraw45]

30. Because....?

Could you explain for those of us who haven't inspected organic farms why there is greater danger in som organic veggies?

Thanks!

[DenaliDemocrat]

67. Well....

it's like this. Vegetables need fertilizer to grow, or at least a farmer needs fertilizer to grow enough to make some money. Now, where do you suppose a guy gets enough well seasoned manure to cover oh, say 1200 acres. Hmmmm.... YOU DON"T!! Just not enough around. Hence some of the manure making it to many fields is um...shall we say, rather fresh.

Fresh poop is full of bacteria, some of it very dangerous.

[Lone Pawn]

27. Ironically, Super Size Me just made me hungry for McDonalds.

Man, I have no social responsibility.

[IrateCitizen]

33. You need to watch the DVD interview with Eric Schlosser...

... author of "Fast Food Nation" and "Reefer Madness". Schlosser points out that the average McD's hamburger contains meat from over one thousand cows. Just think about that for a second -- the food is so overly processed that each burger contains the meat from over 1,000 cows.

I'll always be a meat eater to a certain degree. But now, anytime I even THINK about fast food and the 1,000 cow comment, my stomach literally turns sick.

[Lone Pawn]

43. I don't really care if it contains a molecule from each cow on the planet.

Proteins are proteins. Amino acids are all the same. What the fuck do I care which animal it was extracted from?

[IrateCitizen]

49. Well, then we have a difference of opinion, friend...

As someone who grew up actually seeing what I was going to eat (my grandparents kept about 35 head of beef cattle and raised chickens ever year), I tend to still consider that when I'm eating. The whole idea of mega-processed food makes me sick, because it's just so unnatural.

But if you are able to deal with such things, then that's your preference. Just don't expect me to warm up to 1000-cow burgers anytime in the future.

[Lone Pawn]

56. I certainly don't expect you to do anything.

I don't give a damn what you eat, really ;)

[Cats Against Frist]

65. "And then I was told I would eat a thousand cows..."

http://www.versedaily.org/fetusorbit.shtml

[donsu]

35. the McD. hamburger taste you love comes from the sauce

the artificial ingrediants in the sauce are carefully researched to tingle your taste buds into loving McD.

[htuttle]

37. The single most important ingredient there...

..is the sugar -- lots of it. In the sauce, in the catsup, even in the buns.

McD's burgers are like greasy sweet meat treats.

[Bouncy Ball]

40. You know, I haven't had McDonald's in about forever

but I remember EXACTLY the taste you are talking about!

Ewww.

[KurtNYC]

48. Like beef flavored donuts

and technically they don't use sugar. They use high fructose corn syrup -- it is cheaper and worse for you than sugar (sucrose).

Fructose does not provoke a satiated feeling as readily as sucrose; therefore McD customers can eat more.

[Lone Pawn]

46. Indeed. They do a damn good job of it.

They provide a product I enjoy for a good price. And as for my health--I'm 6 feet even and weigh 145 pounds. My blood pressure borders on being too low, and I bike for three hours two or three days a week--not impressive, but enough to make me "moderately active." I really don't believe McDonalds is endangering me.

[Dervill Crow]

53. My husband lives very well on fast food, too.

His lab values are all great and he is underweight. It's all genetics and metabolism. Meanwhile, I have high BP, bad skin, and over 100 pounds I didn't have 10 years ago. I couldn't watch Supersize Me; the guilt that our kids have learned to love eating all that crap food was too overwhelming.

[callous taoboy]

55. No telling what's lodged in his colon, or

being packed into pockets of the intestine.

[donsu]

34. seems like organic milk lasts longer before turning sour

what a cow eats affects the taste of the milk.

I'm old and when I was young cows were mostly grazed on grass and in the spring sometimes wild onions would get into the fields and the milk would have a slight wild onion taste. nobody threw it out or anything. It was a known fact about milk.

todays milk taste like light machine oil.

organic milk does not taste like milk of yore because the cows are probably grain/corn fed. I like the grass made milk the best.

[tammywammy]

63. Yes it does last longer

I don't drink much milk. I use it in coffe/tea and cooking/baking. But before I switched to organic I was throwing away milk every two weeks. The Horizon seems to last a month.

[ArkDem]

36. I perfer synthetic milk.

[porphyrian]

47. Re: Organic Milk vs. Regular Milk

One thing I've noticed, and this may be due to the fact that we've moved farther north, was that organic milk takes weeks longer to go bad than regular milk. Is this just because we are now closer to dairy farms, or is it something else? Organic milk tastes better, as well. The 2% organic milk tastes more like regular whole milk, whereas 2% regular milk tastes watery.

[WolverineDG]

58. I live in extreme South Texas

and I've noticed organic milk (& half&half) last longer down here as well. :)

dg

[Fleshdancer]

60. I think organic milk tastes better too

it was weird to read your post because I was just explaining to my husband this morning how the fat free organic milk in the fridge tastes like the non-organic 2% milk. I bought organic milk for the first time last weekend and am kicking myself for not trying it sooner. Great stuff.

[porphyrian]

61. Cool, it isn't just me. - n/t

[conflictgirl]

66. No, it's not just you

2% organic milk tastes like whole milk, it's so much creamier. Honestly after drinking the adultered crapola milk for so many years, I really didn't like it and didn't drink much. Once I found organic milk, I was amazed that it actually tasted GOOD, like I remembered milk tasting when I was a kid. The only caveat is that the Horizon organic milk tastes weird. Our local grocery chain (Meijer) just came out with their own store-brand organic milk and it's $1 cheaper per half-gallon than Horizon and it tastes better. Win-win!

The same taste difference holds true with lots of other organic foods, but especially bananas.

[callous taoboy]

54. Have you seen Frontline about beef industry?

Organically grown, grass-fed, hormone-free is the only beef I'll eat since seeing it three years ago. I used to enjoy a grease-bomb at Sonic. No more.

[tammywammy]

62. Thanks for the information on "The Corporation"

Someone up thread, said it's a book, and I'm headed out to B&N to buy it now. (I have a sticker for an extra 10% off...so woo hoo).

I try and drink organic milk. I like the Horizon Organic, I think it tastes much better than regular milk. And Starbucks does offer organic and soy milk for an extra 50 cents. I know the little independant coffee shop I go to doesn't carry organic...and I'm not much of a soy drinker.