YAY! SCUMBAG Horowitz hit with a PIE!

[UdoKier]

Activist hit by pie at Butler lecture

David Horowitz, president of the Center for the Study of Popular Culture, had just started a lecture at Butler when he was hit by a pie. -- Kevin O'Neal / For The Star
 
By Kevin O'Neal
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April 7, 2005

A conservative activist who criticizes what he calls the leftist domination of college campuses was struck with a pie Wednesday night at Butler University.


David Horowitz, president of the Center for the Study of Popular Culture, had just started a lecture at Butler when he was hit.

http://www.indystar.com/articles/8/235034-8678-009.html

He he. And notice how they call him just an "activist", rather than writer or scholar? Too bad the pie wasn't full of horse snot.

[maveric]

1. What kind of pie was it?

Steer manure would have been appropriate.

[Dookus]

2. I must be in the minority here

but I don't think this is effective or admirable.

[UdoKier]

5. In general, I agree. I'm not normally a fan of the pie-ing.

But I make an exception in the case of absolute hacks like Horowitz, Hitchens and Coulter. They deserve no respect whatsoever, much less a public venue at whic to speak.

[Dookus]

10. But if you believe that

does it stop at pie-ing? Should they be beaten? Should they be shot with pellet guns? Paint ball guns?

I think there are many ways to protest people short of assaulting them.

[UdoKier]

13. I can't answer that question here.

But I'm no Gandhi or MLK, and our country has been stolen from under us.

[Dookus]

15. And you know what?

The right thinks the same exact thing.

Would THEY be justified in pie-ing Al Franken, Mike Malloy, Al Gore, etc.? No, we'd be outraged.

There is still plenty of debate in this country. We are not going to convince people that we're right by throwing pies at their side.

[UdoKier]

23. I would be outraged, but for different reasons than you.

You would be outraged because of some sort of purist notions about civility or nonviolence.

I'd be outraged because it would offend my sensibilities about kicking the little guy when he's down. Franken, Randi, etc. represent the tiniest sliver of the media, which is OVERWHELMINGLY ultra-right-wing and corporate-controlled, as is our government.

Look, all I'm saying is that *******************. All avenues of legal recourse against a government and corporate propaganda machine gone mad have been pretty much destroyed at this point.


The fact that I have to continually censor myself shows just how little freedom we really have left...

[Dookus]

25. And again

the right thinks that the media is overwhelmingly leftist.

It's not about who's right and who's wrong - it's about how we address problems. Assaulting people is not a good way to either convince others of the rightness of your position, or be an example.

[UdoKier]

30. The right is incredibly deluded.

We have gone from a pro-war, centrist, pro-corporate media, to a corporate-owned, pro-war, ultra-right-wing media in only 15 years or so. If right wingers are too blind to see it then there is nothing I can do to help them. It's as plain as the nose on one's face.

They must think our elected democrats are still "liberal" too.

[Dookus]

32. You don't need to convince me

but the fact is, they believe they are just as right, and just as shut-out as people on the left.

But even if they WERE oppressed and shut-out, would you admire the tactic of assaulting people for their ideas?

[Hardrada]

87. It's as plain as the pie on their faces!!

[Yupster]

75. The whole idea of the right to free speech

is not there for people we agree with.

It's to protect the rights of people we don't agree with.

I see this intolerance as a very bad sign for the left.

[aneerkoinos]

58. Umm

Al with pie on face would get a laugh from me, since both can act like pompouss asses, and if they reacted with humor and intellect, all the more respect for their good qualities. (don't know who Mike is).

[pretzel4gore]

65. good natured guys look hilarious when they get pied!

Al would complain he hadn't even been served dinner yet, Mike would say 'i betcha the wingnut got the ingredients on credit!' and Al Gore would say 'and this reminds me, long ago i invented the pie, didya know that?"
hahaha...

[Yupster]

76. I would press charges,

both criminally and civilly.

It wouldn't be for the bitterness or the money. It would be to protect everyone's right to free speech.

People cannot feel they have the right to shut their opponents up by assaulting them --- with pies, salad dressing, bricks or anything else.

That's fascist thuggery, not democratic debate.

[pretzel4gore]

99. ok. but

if it was my choice, i'd round up the mediawhores, and have them tried and sentenced to death and taken out and hanged. fini. Until these bastards act humanely among themselves, and that will not happen until they feel powerless, they are a danger to life itself. So a quick disposition is best for everybody....as far as elected officials, guilt would have to be proven (no capital punishment for public servants) then jail until they find jesus....
the nazipoos will destroy free speech. They always have. Paul Wellstone (a lawmaker) was murdered, and his family was murdered with him, because he inconvenienced the piggy.....that's what the mediawhores aid and abet...kerry, clinton, al gore, even michael moore, won't say it, but if it quacks like a bushevik, and stinks like one, it's a bushevik....

[Occulus]

69. We have a strong tradition of pie-ing and other such fun.

We, being humanity. Always have thrown food at each other when we're ticked, probably always will.

I see nothing intrinsically wrong with it, actually. Getting hit by a cream (or apple, or rhubarb) pie is nothing threatening.

I'd be willing to bet our side would leap into a critique on angle and trajectory, as well as the contents of the pie themselves:

Was the pie well-baked? Was the flavor correct?

And so on.

Someone else on DU said in another thread something about how being indignant about getting pied only makes one lose yet more face. I would tend to agree- getting all huffy about getting a pie in the face is really very childish.

I could say the same about pie-ing, except that there's a strong tradition for this specific act.

[TheWraith]

16. Don't you realize that you're vastly exaggerating?

There's a huge difference between hitting somebody with a pie and beating them.

[theboss]

20. It's a matter of degree

How about throwing baseballs at them? No real damage unless you have a Jugs machine.

It's all stupid and adds nothing to the debate.

Our ideas are better than Horowitz'. We don't need to physically assault him to win.

[Name removed]

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[Dookus]

22. There's not a huge difference...

it's a difference of degree. I'm trying to find the dividing line. If assaulting them with a pie is OK, are there other forms of assault that are acceptable?

Personally, I think we shouldn't assault people because of their ideas. We certainly wouldn't like it done to us.

[oldcoot]

98. It is happening to us

One of the professors smeared by Horowitz received death threats. Horowitz pretty much told him to "get over it."

I agree that we should not assault people for their beliefs. However, I have a hard time feeling sorry for individuals who incite violence against others and end up wearing a pie.

[datasuspect]

35. it's a logical fallacy called "slippery slope"

[aneerkoinos]

55. Pie-ing

It's actually very effective non-violent symbolic act that people attach positive, innocent feeling to (ever seen an American comedy with a pie/food fight?) and has nothing to do with assault - no matter what the courts say.

And yes, it stops and should stop at pie-ing with innocent, childish positive vibes, power and pompouss asses fear nothing like ridicule and loosing face, they don't understand pie-ing and don't know how to react, so they react in ways guaranteed to loose even more face.

Against real violent acts they know how to react, that is with more violence, violence is something they feel home at.

[burythehatchet]

94. Protest is adequate when there are checks and balances

when they checks have been eviscerated then I will gladly see the pies fly.

[smitty]

24. no exceptions please

I remember the outrage here when Nader got hit with a pie. Eventually someone is going to be seriously injured---either accidentally or on purpose.

[Dookus]

26. I forget who it was

but a few years ago, somebody got knocked down. Could it have been Sharpton? I really don't recall.

Yes, somebody will get hurt. It's childish, and makes us look like idiots.

[aneerkoinos]

59. Good on Nader

How did he react, how did he survive this character test?

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

85. took it like a man and even tried to fling some back on his assailant

he didn't whine-he joined into the food fight

[Yupster]

74. So you're saying there should be a right

to express political speech, unless if you disagree with what the guy is saying.

Man, could that be any more dangerous?

So, who gets to choose, which political points of view deserve to be heard and which don't? Bush maybe?

[Bouncy Ball]

6. I wish I could find what I wrote about this last week.

While I would much prefer another way of expressing dissent, when just about every avenue is closed off to people, they will FIND a way to express themselves. It's not mature, no, not at all. And you won't find me doing it.

But I'm not sure I can blame those doing it. I understand the feeling. You can't even get close enough to register your dissent verbally, forget having any kind of discourse with them.

You're left with pies and eggs. And most of them, you can't even get close enough to do THAT.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

34. I had the same thought...then I saw this reply to a post in LBN

*points*

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=vi...

I have the same feelings. It seems like we're being cut off from being able to give a rebuttal all the time..

[Dookus]

37. What avenues are closed off?

Can you not write and speak freely? Does somebody have Al Franken tied up in a closet? Is Noam Chomsky gagged and bound?

Despite the hysterical claims of some, people are still free to speak in this country, and do so daily.

Assaulting people because of their ideas is just wrong, despite the personal little frisson of pleasure we get when we see it happen to someone we despise. But if you extrapolate the idea to the big picture, I think you'd be aghast to find this become a common occurrence, because I guarantee you it won't only be used against right wing idiots.

Personally, I don't want to see Madeline Albright or Rosetta Scott King or Robert Byrd assaulted in any way.

The whole thing makes us look like childish assholes, and in fact, if we cheer this behavior, we ARE childish assholes.

[Yupster]

79. Also, doesn't this play right into

Coulter and Horowitz's basic premise?

Horowitz goes around from campus to campus claiming that the colleges are leftist bastions that indoctrinate rather than educate, and will not allow conservative voices to be heard. So, he gets invited to speak which disproves his point, and then gets stopped from speaking which makes his point.

He said the college would not welcome or listen to a different point of view and surely enough when he comes to deliver one, he gets things thrown at him.

He will get years of mileage out of this incident.

Same with Coulter. She couldn't have gotten better propoganda value if she paid for it.

[TheWraith]

11. It's a statement, and an act of disrespect.

It's a shot at their ego, and equivalent to saying that that's the level of discourse they operate on.

[Dookus]

12. it is also assault

and I believe there are ways to protest people's ideas and actions short of that.

[TheWraith]

18. See my #16. NT.

[Pepperbelly]

31. I disagree ...

Some people with ludicrously twisted perceptions that they try to foist off on regular folk, people who slither to the auditorium on their bellies, who stand up and lie and lie and lie with lies piled upon lies, bigotry upon bigotry, hate upon hate, it is not sufficient to argue with them. They do not deserve the respectful treatment of arguing with their bizarre, lie-filled polemics. What they deserve is a disrespectul, humiliating demonstration of exactly how contemptable they are.

No, they are not worth shooting. They are not worth bombing. Those acts are far too serious for these worms, not to mention the consequences of those sorts of batteries.

Al Pieda is what they deserve and I cheer any time one of the rat bastards get a little, tiny bit of what they have coming.

Comeuppence in banana cream, if you please.

[Dookus]

33. OK

I will put you down as being in favor of assaulting people because of their ideas.

[Pepperbelly]

39. what the f*ck ever. nt

[Dookus]

41. Oh

just throw a pie at me and get it over with.

[Pepperbelly]

44. I am more of a pie eater than a pie thrower.

My bannana cream does more good for me on the inside, not the outside. I just cheer the little anarchists on.

[theboss]

36. How about rubber hoses? Can we beat them with rubber hoses?

My parents pay really good money to see the Pittsburgh Lecture Series every year. It's about ten events that have politicans of all stripes, authors, directors, etc give lectures and answer questions. I go to two or three of the ones that interest me each year (saw Spike Lee...saw Vonnegut...saw Tom Wolfe...).

I would be really pissed if I spent $50 and some asshole hit the speaker with a pie.

[Pepperbelly]

38. if you paid $50 to see any of those assholes who get pied ...

you were ripped off.

[theboss]

46. So, when Howard Dean gets pied, that will be ok?

Do you see where this is heading?

[Dookus]

49. No

that will be an unprecedented outrage.

[Pepperbelly]

53. Al Pieda seems to select their targets carefully ...

I doubt that the Doctor is on the list. But you know what ... I bet if someone did pie him, he'd have a sense of humnor about it.

AAAGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHUUUUUUUUUUUUU!

[PittLib]

97. I kind of wish that you could ...

pick and choose the lectures. Some of the speakers they bring in are awesome ... I just can't afford the whole package as my spare $$ go to City Theatre and various political groups.

[Tomee450]

40. Perhaps,

but Horowitz was so deserving of that pie in the face. I can't ever forget that he suggested that blacks should be happy that their ancestors were enslaved since we now enjoy the highest standard of living of any blacks in the world. Simply outrageous.

[Dookus]

42. Of course he's outrageous

but we have outrageous people on the left, too.

The question is whether physical assault is a good way to deal with people whose ideas you disagree with.

[aneerkoinos]

62. Yawn

It's not a physical assault, it's just a freaking PIE!

And it's not about ideas, it's about being self-righteous pompous ass that begs a pie in the face.

[Dookus]

67. Of course it's a physical assault

it's silly to deny that.

[aneerkoinos]

70. Perhaps in court

But then I try to speak the common human language(s), not legalese.

To me physical assault means something done with intention to cause physical pain, not just potential scar over a bloated Ego.

[Dookus]

72. I don't consider it legal-ese

I'm not a lawyer, and it never occurred to me that hurling a pie in someone's face was NOT assault.

[aneerkoinos]

78. Whatever

Arguing about the meanings and connotations of words is allways abso-fucking-lutely productive.

[Dookus]

83. Then you shouldn't have

done it.

[aneerkoinos]

93. I can't help it

I'm a sucker for having the last word.

[Yupster]

80. To me it's an attempt to stop them from exersizing

their right to free political speech, which to me is an outrage. Taking away their constitutional right is worse than an assault.

And they were picked for their political views which makes it even worse.

I see this as very bad.

I hope the law starts reacting seriously to it.

BTW - how often should a person like Buchanon be pied? Should he be thrown at everywhere he attempts to speak? Or just once a month maybe? Does he have a right of free political speech maybe within a window of once a month, and then he will have stuff thrown at him all the other times, or should his speech be shut down all together? or should he just be kept guessing, never knowing which of his political events will be ruined?

[Arkana]

86. Not to be contrary

but how is this different from Mann Coulter using College Puke thugs to "remove" anyone who disagreed with her from the room? People need to grow up and get a sense of humor. I wouldn't be outraged if someone hit Dean, or Clark, or Kerry, or Moore, or whoever from our side with a pie--it's not exactly going to hurt them, unless it's got rocks in it or something, and I'm sure our side would know enough to laugh about it rather than get huffy and indignant like the right.

[Dookus]

92. well perhaps next time you're out

a stranger will come charging at you at full speed and throw something in your face. You wont know who he is, what he's holding, what you've just been hit with, or why.

Then you can call it "humor".

[Snotcicles]

48. I'm beginning to love these pie throwing super heros n/t

[Pithlet]

54. I agree

It just allows them to say "See? We were right about them!" and, more importantly, detracts from the issues we're trying to fight. Yeah, it might feel good in the short term, and it IS funny to see Horowitz get it. But, I wish people wouldn't do it.

[K-W]

56. I think you are overanalyzing it.

Its a pie in the face for goodness sake. Anyone who cant take a pie in the face takes themselves too seriously imo.

[Dookus]

57. There are many ways

to ridicule or mock people short of assaulting them.

[K-W]

63. Some people dont consider it assualt.

They consider it a joke.

[Dookus]

64. well

some people might be awfully surprised when they find themselves in court.

[Elidor]

68. Not saying it is...it's just too fucking SWEET!

When I set out to assault someone, I usually start with a brick or a baseball bat. A pie may be bad, but it's oh-so-good.

[Yupster]

73. Agree Dookus

This seems very bad to me.

The message I'm getting is that if you are on the riught of the political spectrum, you have no right to speak without getting things thrown at you.

This seems like an attack aimed right at the right to free speech. Hopefully opinion makers on the left will soon take a stand to stop this before it gets even more out of hand.

Beingg against political free speech is not a place I want to be.

[qanda]

95. Then I must be in the minority too

The last time a pie was thrown, I said that it was childish and immature. To me it is a completely ineffective way to get a point across.

[xpat]

96. LIghten up. It's as American as apple pie. n/t

[Bouncy Ball]

3. This just happened last night???

Wow, the pies are really getting around. Good. They NEED to look and feel humiliated, they are ASSHOLES.

[Dr.Phool]

4. Quick! Order more pies.

There are plenty more who deserve a taste!

[TheWraith]

7. Ahh, the honorable pastime. I remember thinking, when Nader got pied,

That it should have proven to him that there is a difference between Democrats and Republicans--a Republican would have used a gun.

[BlueManDude]

8. Silly people should be treated sill-ily!!!

Is tht word?? Kristol (who got it last week) and Horowitz deserve to be treated as clowns.

[wakeme2008]

9. Maybe I am the only one here

that questions if Horowitz did not do this as a PR stunt.

[formerrepuke]

14. Good point- as it makes one wonder how anyone got in carrying a pie...

..a bottle of salad dressing, maybe..but a pie? -that's not an easy thing to hide.

[theboss]

17. This is really stupid....

I don't really want pundits, activists, etc getting assaulted, regardless of what side they are on.

[Career Prole]

19. In French class I seem to remember "va a pied" meaning "go by foot"

Now I'm thinking more along the lines of "go to get pied".

[KG]

21. hoo-fucking-ray!

[Catherine Vincent]

27. Who's next?

If the group responsible is accepting suggestions...I'll suggest Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Jeff Gannon, Matt Drudge, Don Imus and his sidekick, and Michele Malkin. And to throw in a couple of liberals let's go with Chris Hitchens and Chris Matthews.

[KG]

29. Chris Hitchens and Chris Matthews.

aren't liberals. but worthy of a pie nonetheless!

[Yupster]

81. I think maybe

Senator Byrd should get a pie in the face, and then a white sheet thrown over his head. That would be good solid fun. We'd just laugh and laugh.

And it should happen every time he appears in public because I think he's a little too arrogant for my tastes when he starts talking about Cicero and stuff.

[Pepperbelly]

43. O' f*cking Riley! nt

[burn the bush]

47. O'lielly? That'll have to be a chocolate covered falafel won't it?

[in_cog_ni_to]

28. LOL...Funny!

That's what he gets for lying about a "leftist domination" on college campuses. WTG Lefties!

[geomon666]

45. Yes. Assault with a deadly pie. It's an outrage!

You know on second thought. The level of murder and mayhem these....creatures endorse on a daily basis on national platforms everyday while our side gets ignored and caged up like animals. I really can't feel too bad for them.

[SiouxJ]

50. This is the first time I've ever seen a mullet on a bald guy

It almost looks like he has a bit of a comb-over too. I doubt wearing a pie bothered someone with his sense of style.

[Richard Steele]

51. If Jesus ever spoke to these clowns....

[BiggJawn]

52. I'm ashamed!

Whore-O-Witz gets pied at that little school Butler, but NOTHING happens to him but a College ReTHUGlican lovefest at Purdue.

Wonder which lucky little ReTHUG-ette drew the lucky straw and got to FUCK Ol' Davey?

[Mr.Green93]

60. Maybe he will take the hint

sit down and STFU!

[Dookus]

61. It doesn't even

begin to impinge on your conciousness that making people sit down and shut up because you don't like their ideas is a little... um... fascist?

[theboss]

66. Amazing, eh?

Between the casual acceptance of old-time Catholic bigotry and the approval of assault on ideological enemies, it's beginning to feel like I'm surrounded by Birchers.

[Yupster]

82. Maybe we can throw stuff at him every time

he tries to speak about politics in public. Maybe eventually we can completely shut down anyone we don't agree with from public speaking.

[DemonFighterLives]

90. It really is about that simple

If you say stupid stuff expect to have sh*t thrown at you.

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[proud2BlibKansan]

84. And what would keep them from using bullets

if our side keeps throwing pies?

[lonestarnot]

88. I LOVE IT!

[Hardrada]

89. C'est la F%@#king Guerre, mes amis.

Just custard pies though. No ice cream pies. A. Too good to waste, B.They are more spectacular. And only one pie per "customer."

[entanglement]

91. Woohoo! Finally, something to cheer me

Horowitz is one big POS.

Nominated for greatest.