I think the Dems silence on SS, Medicaid, DeLay, is reprehensible

[goodboy]

and I'm tired of watching the dems stand around looking stupid while the Pukes are face down in shit...the Dems ought to be stepping on the Repukes heads, and really smashing them, now that they're vulnerable.
Opportunity after oppertunity passes us by, and we don't even have a clear message.

All I hear is, "oh, let the pukes hang themselves" Fuck that. I want to hang them...I wanna hang from their legs while they hang from their neck.

I want a party that fights. I want a party that recognizes weakness and exploits it. JEEEZUS CHRRRRRRRRRRIST people! We're standing around with our thumbs up our asses when we should be CRUSHING these Right Wing Fascists!

Silence never got nobody nowhere. We need to get our message to the American people, show them we've always been on their side, and we won't let their livelihood be destroyed by these FASCISTS. We'll take care of them like we always have. Nobody's taking their SS away, nobody's taking their Medicaid away, nobody's taking their freedoms away.

NOT ON OUR WATCH.

[Vincardog]

1. Why not go all out and resist the BANKRUPTCY legislation too?

There is no clearer issue on which to clearly side with the PEOPLE
against the FASCIST interests

[goodboy]

3. I agree. 100% (nt)

[Vincardog]

6. So tell DR. Dean to give the Dems their marching orders.

No one who votes for the corrupt Bankruptcy legislation deserves to call themselves a Democrat. Why not nominate this for Greatest? I did

[goodboy]

7. I asked a few weeks ago where our leadership is, and all I heard was

They're doing the right thing being quiet, you don't murder someone who's committing suicide.

So i don't know what to say anymore. If the pukes are indeed committing suicide, the least we can do is finish them off...make sure there's no way they'll recover.

I don't know where Dr. Dean is, I thought when he became Chairman he'd be out in the open, stating our position, nailing pukes to the wall.
Did he get anywhere in his life by being silent?

[cidliz2004]

25. We will, when the time is right! Remember they have the media bought and

paid for, so anything that we say will be twisted and eventually turned ON US. Strategy is what we have lacked, not big mouths. I speak from personal experiance..... The cat doesn't pounce on everything as soon as it sees it, it waits until the time is right and then it pounces. On some of these issues, the issues where the Repubs are hurting themselves, let them keep digging the holes, let their voices be the only voices heard, let their words hurt them. When they have dug their hole deep enough, we just shove them in and then bury them.

On some issues, go ahead shout your heads off, be as difficult as possible, but on issues that you actually see having a negative effect on the Republicans and Bush and right now all the Democrats have done is be silent, then that response for that issue is the best response possible for now.

Not every issue warrants the same response to be effective. It doesn't have to be an all or nothing strategy. We could learn to vary our responses and actually win the war.

[goodboy]

26. I see what you're saying...I hope you're right...I'm ready to pounce tho--

[cidliz2004]

27. So am I so am I. For the first time though I really think that this tacti

is the best tactic.

[goodboy]

8. thanks for the Nomination, Vince. (nt)

[salinen]

2. Could it be

that the Dems in office are not part of the "We" anymore? The counter to the Fascists Conservative Movement is a strong Liberal voice. That voice is in the people, not in government.

[Vincardog]

4. Here is the voice of the people who wants to be in the Government

Click this link to read some truth about government
<http://www.vanosfortexasag.com/>

[goodboy]

5. I think the people deserve to know where we stand...right now I think

the people don't perceive a difference between dems and pukes. That's primarily because the pukes have been effective in painting us as liberals without a plan, and we've enabled them by not speaking out, reframing the issues our way, and, I know this sounds funny,
ACTUALLY COMING UP WITH A FUCKING GODDAMN PLAN!

[poverlay]

9. Sometimes it can be good~

I completely agree that the Dems silence is pathetic, knowing as we do that it's indecision.

Fortunately it seems to be really confusing the Republicans, especially in the SS arena.

If there's nothing for them to attack(their primary tactic) , they start scrambling(because attacking is all they know.), then they look like they're over-reacting and silly, which is a better way to show that we are right than counter-attacking on every issue. That simply lowers us to their level, and gives them the advantage(a huge one), not to mention confusing and exasperating the average American.

It is very frustrating to watch though...

[goodboy]

11. So our defense mechanism is being really really quiet so they won't

attack us, even though THEY have been put on the defensive by the negative response to their plan by the American people. Since they're already on the defensive, and the American people are receptive to change, wouldn't this be a great opportunity to make our case, trash the pukes, and win some fucking elections?

[goodboy]

10. Where exactly has our silence gotten us? What have we gained?

Certainly not support, because we're not telling the american people what our plan is, we're not hammering our talking points through the echo chamber.

[goodboy]

12. can anyone tell me: when's the right time to fight? (nt)

[poverlay]

13. I agree with you fully, but...

I think we're only going to take down the Re pugs by letting them put the noose around their own necks... They will. It's in their nature.

Only then will the entire American public be forced to see what all of our attacking will not, and has not shown them.

At that point~ we pull...

Otherwise we simply snap our own backs trying to lift them up to the noose.

I want to savor every possible moment of watching them screw themselves. They're so drunk on perceived power that they're already making major mistakes. (Look at the polls)

If, however, now is the time... then let's pull together!

[goodboy]

14. thanks for your response....(nt)

[sandnsea]

15. Silence??

Maybe some people just need to clean out their ears or something. I don't know what in the hell you're talking about. We've killed Bush on SS, his ratings are the lowest of any President, at the same time in his 2nd term, since they've begun doing ratings. We're killing them on the judges. We've just begun to turn up the heat on Delay. Why don't you quit bitching and go out and hand out some fliers or something.

[goodboy]

17. everything you just listed, is part of the pukes implosion into themselves

at the hands of the american people. The american people rejected his SS plan...no help from dems there. The pukes are going to change the house rules to eliminate the filibuster, so we're not anywhere close to "killing them" on the judges, in fact, I've not seen or heard anything about rejecting *'s judicial appointments, but I have seen lots of play and RW talking points about activist judges. And Bush's approval ratings have nothing to do with dems...we haven't done anything to cause them.

You're right about turning the heat up on DeLay, although it's not our Democratic leadership, or Democrats for that matter. It's bloggers, and the whore media (who've probably been give the o.k. by rove) to run with the DeLay scandal.

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[kerry-is-my-prez]

16. The media has been ignoring them.They've been speaking out on C-Span.

That's the only place they are able to have a voice. It's the media who's silent.

[goodboy]

18. If you make enough noise, they'll HAVE to cover it. (nt)

[sadiesworld]

20. Actually, the longer the dems keep quiet on SS...

the better--let the pubs implode. Of course if you want to talk about some of their actual VOTES, e.g., the Bankruptcy Bill... :(

[goodboy]

22. I understand what you're saying.,..

I have this strong feeling that we should be telling the american people that we have a solution, and we're not letting those thieving bastards take their social security..

[sadiesworld]

23. I think the american people like the solution of leaving SS alone.

:shrug:

[goodboy]

24. we're gonna have to roll back bush's tax cuts to make it solvent again

because if we leave it alone, the pukes will pillage it even more...

or maybe it's already been pillaged beyond recovery.