Did anyone see that Poll about the Ruling on CA Recall election (CNN)

[LynneSin]

16% say it's an interruption of the Democratic Process
84% say it's to protect the rights of the voter.

Damn!

BTW, it was on Lou Dobbs right after the Franken interview

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

1. Funny..Wolfie had a dubiously worded one that was freeped

earlier.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

11. Actually, Wolfie's poll today was the main page CNN poll...IDENTiCAL!

If you look at the numbers for the "exclusive" poll listed and noted by Wolfie (www.cnn.com/wolf) and then look at the poll listed on the main page of the CNN website, you will see THAT THEY ARE IDENTICAL!

Apparently, Wolfie was getting sick of reporting polls that were not skewed toward the Repuke line, so he's just going to regurgitate the CNN main page poll, which is much more accessible to the Freeper knuckle-draggers.

JB

[never cry wolf]

2. I am so confused on this issue!!!

Yes, I am glad it got delayed but it was for all the wrong reasons!! It is totally FOR BBV and anti paper balloting.

What a conumdrum!!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

3. No it isn't! Jeez! How many times do I have to say Kevin Shelley

favors a paper trail? I think there are a lot of issues with BBV and I cede to those who know more but the FACT OF THE MATTER IS that right now in California the main area that uses BBV is Riverside County and THEY are already primarily Repulican..in the meantime, DEM areas are using punchcard Votomatics while NEwport BEach ( largely Republican is using OPTICAL SCANNING) It cannot be farther from the truth that this currect decision favors Repubs. The way it was FAVORED Repubs since in a close election, the one with the MOST verifiable votes wins.

[dfong63]

4. is that really sufficient?

is a "paper trail" really sufficient to ensure that e-voting machines are at least as trustworthy as paper ballots?

is Kevin Shelley's "support" of a paper trail really sufficient to guarantee that we won't have another "Diebold miracle" in CA?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

5. I cannot state so with absolute certainty anymore than anyone can state

the results will be rigged. I do think Shelley is going for the most verifiable means of supporting that goal. While I have read the BBV threads with interest, I might caution nobody is posting daily about ATM mistakes.

I think it is MORE sufficient than a model we KNOW does not work in a close elction...especially one with over 100 names on the ballot.

[wtmusic]

7. An ATM mistake involves much less risk

Just because we don't know that the election will be rigged does not make it secure. There is a high risk of a 'class break' in security, where a very subtle rig of the (strictly confidential) voting machine software could swing millions of votes in a virtually untraceable way.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

8. Millions? Really? and go completely undetected?

In Texas maybe but I doubt it here..if that were the case why didn't they do it last election when they could have made Berkeley go Repub and when they had less attention being paid to them?

on edit: I am not arguing that it isn't possible I am simply a bit skeptical.

[wtmusic]

9. Millions would be a stretch

and would likely arouse suspicion. But as we know it doesn't take millions, a thousand here, a thousand there....

I have to say I was very skeptical of Bev's crusade against this thing until I heard Bruce Schneier, who is probably the foremost computer security expert in the world, declare that "switching from paper ballots to computerized voting machines is a horrendously dangerous idea"--for exactly the same reasons that Bev has been harping on.

This guy is not prone to hysterics and if anything is a champion of software solutions to mundane chores like counting votes.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

13. Fair enough. I think it is a grave concern and I am watching what

legislators are doing about it.

[khashka]

10. The People's Republic Of Berkely????

I take it satire isn't dead.

[wtmusic]

6. I don't get it either

"The appeals court unanimously ruled it is unacceptable that six California counties would be using outdated punch-card ballots. Those counties are already under court order to replace punch cards with more modern systems such as touch-screen ballots by the March primary.

The six counties include the state's most populous, Los Angeles, as well as Sacramento and San Diego counties. Altogether they contained 44 percent of California's registered voters during the 2000 election. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030916/ap_on_el_gu/davis_recall&cid=511&ncid=716

The delay will benefit Davis...or will it? It sure has a hell of a lot to do with whatever software is going into those voting machines in (Democratic) LA County...

[jamesinca]

12. Here is my take on it as a person from CA

The longer this goes on the less interest the people will have in it. If it goes to the SCOTUS they will come back to review it on 10/6 the election is currently scheduled for 10/7, this make the Supreme court a non issue in overruling the 9th circut court of appeals. If it goes to a general election in March, and that is what they are thinking will happen then more Dems then Repugs will show up because it will be the Dem primaries in addition to the recall.

This is what I like best about it: This is what Bush wanted. He wanted voting machines, he wated to make that law, he wanted to have a repug governor in CA. Riding that emotional tidal wave into march will not happen. I think Davis is smart enough to know that he has until March to show these people that Kenny Boy Lay is directly responsible for 1/3 of the CA fiscal problem. 1/3 is indirectly related to Kenny Boy Lay and 1/3 is just a bad economy in the U.S. in general. California is no more messed up per capita or proportionally than any other state. Bush wanted CA and the voting machines, his greed may cost him both. How does the saying go: Be careful what you ask for, you may get it. He is getting his recall and he is getting his voting machines. He is also getting a lot of bad press out here because of his Enron connection, Ken Lays meeting with Arnold and a few prominant repugs simply because Arnold is running for governor. Bush threw the rock and liked the splash, he just was not smart enough to know that ripples are created and he is not prepared to deal with them.