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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 02:33 PM
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From a person who has to remain abstinent until marriage...
I have to remain abstinent until I am married, it is part of my religion. I am very, very Liberal, but this is just one of things that are required out of a Muslim.

I have some words about abstinent education though.

It doesn't work! Are we going back to the Stone Age or something? What next, will the schools have to teach that the Succubus or whatever cause pregnancies or that the brain is just some organ that cools the blood?

If the Republicans can only succeed by dumbing down the electorate, they will be in power for generations if things like this goes on unchallenged.

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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 02:38 PM
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1. As someone who was raised Catholic....
and went to Catholic school where we taught sex before marriage was verbotten, I can tell you "abstinence only" is a damn dangerous sex ed plan.

I can't tell you how many girls ended up terminating pregnancies or with STDs.

Having seen abstinence only fail, I am a big proponant of it's best to wait and, if you don't, here's how to protect yourself.
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safi0 Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 02:44 PM
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3. I'm in the same situation
I practice abstinece because of my religion but going to a public school around people who frankly do not practice abstinence and it simply does not work. People who practice abstinence do it because of morality and/or religion not because of this stupid classes that they have.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 02:42 PM
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2. I'm a Protestant who chose abstinence until I married,
but I wholeheartedly support comprehensive sex education and easy access to birth control. Heck, I'd even support barrels of free condoms in high school and college hallways. Kids who want to wait will, and those who don't want to wait need to use protection.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 02:48 PM
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4. I think it is dangerous
Edited on Mon Apr-04-05 02:48 PM by FreedomAngel82
Teens will have sex anyways and a lot of them don't even consider oral sex as sex. :eyes: I think they should at least in bathrooms sell condom's and other things as well. I remember one time on Laura Flanders' show she had a girl on who went through the abstience only program in Texas that Bush started. She was saying how her fellow classmate's would come to her for information on diseases and how to get condom's and birth control. What if a teen has sex and they get a disease and it's too late when they find out what the problem is?
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 02:52 PM
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5. Its such an easy issue, I think, for everyone who takes it honestly.
Regardless of how you feel about the ethics of sex, it's something that god or genes put in every human. The entire idea of absitance only is that if we dont talk about it, it wont happen. It implies that sex is bad, therefore human's werent made to have sex, and must be given the notion.

It isnt christianity, it is dualism. Since some sex is bad, all sex is bad, and if its bad, its evil, and if its evil, it came from the devil. And that means anyone who encourages sex is working for the devil.

It is assenine, but unfortunately, dualism is extremely popular in America right now.
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LisaLL Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 03:22 PM
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6. some very telling evidence
What's really interesting is that several of the comprehensive pregnancy-prevention programs (that discuus abstinence and contraception) are effective in reducing teen pregnancy and are also proven to be effective in delaying the onset of sexual activity (increasing abstinence-the-behavior).

In contrast, *none* of the refuse-to-teach-contraception/abstinence-only programs reduces teen pregnancy *or* increases abstinence-the-behavior.

If the fundamentalists/Republicans goals were to promote abstinence--they would be supporting the comprehensive programs that are effective in doing so and *opposing* their own programs. If that were their goal, the results would matter to them.

This reveals that:
Opposing contraception is more important to them than increasing abstinence, reducing teen pregnancies, or reducing abortion.
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Biology Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 03:29 PM
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7. there's the problem
Abstinence programs are a smoke screen for parents not wanting their daughters to have sex before marriage. They figure that if there are other alternatives, than somehow they are endorsing pre-marital sex. However, study after study has clearly shown that abstinence only programs 1) do nothing to reduce the incidence of pre-marital sex, and 2) limit the information needed for youths to make intelligent choices about birth control and STD risks. However, going back to the book of Genesis, knowledge is evil.
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Throckmorton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 03:42 PM
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8. I abstained with until I was married.
Just watching my two best friends deal with unwanted pregnancies was enough to teach me that even contraceptives can fail.

After we were married, we were very responsible, but still ended up having an unplanned pregnancy. On the plus side, we were planning to have children, and I didn't really matter at that point when they came along. But we were still using the pill, but had stopped using barrier methods in conjunction with them.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 03:47 PM
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9. I agree that abstinence education doesn't work
However, how long are people who cannot marry supposed to wait?
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4_TN_TITANS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 03:48 PM
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10. I respect you,
but being abstinent is like picking up the flute for the first time ever on the day of the symphony! The performance can be quite embarassing....
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 04:40 PM
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11. Ah, but expecting the wedding night to be a symphony
is an unrealistic expectation, even for those who have been practicing beforehand. For those who have waited, that is when the rehearsal begins in earnest. ;)
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PowerToThePeople Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 04:52 PM
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12. I practice abstinence
until I find a cute chick who is willing to get down. Sometimes a while of abstinence, sometimes not so long of a while..
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 04:55 PM
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13. How do you feel about homosexuals?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 05:02 PM
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14. Abstinence can be a choice, but all forms of sexual education
need to be taught to understand one's own sexuality as well as use of sexual aids, to not get pregnant or STDs. It's really only biology.

I hope saner heads will eventually prevail. I don't think people were this backwards even in the Middle Ages although women were expected to be virtuous.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 05:12 PM
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15. Does this include sex after Mut`ah temporary marriage?
I am very ignorant on this subject and curious how this coincides with abstinence being a Muslim? Is it alright to have sex during temporary marriage or not? Thank you for answering if you wish to. If you don't wish to answer I understand, and also thank you.

Don

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