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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 09:39 AM
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Anti-Catholic Whoppers: W supporter Bob Jones weighs in (from 1978)
http://www.catholic.com/library/Anti_Catholic_Whoppers.asp

Not long after Pope Paul VI died in 1978, Bob Jones, chancellor of Bob Jones University in Greenville, South Carolina, wrote an ill-tempered article in his school’s magazine, Faith for the Family (not to be confused with Dr. James Dobson’s magazine, Focus on the Family). The article was republished by the Fundamentalist organization Mission to Catholics, International (run by an ex-Carmelite priest-turned-Fundamentalist minister) as a tract entitled The Church of Rome in Perspective.

No effort is made to be conciliatory, as the first line demonstrates: "Pope Paul VI, archpriest of Satan, a deceiver and an anti-Christ, has, like Judas, gone to his own place." It goes downhill from there. At one point, Jones attempts to raise the level of discussion, if only momentarily, by citing a diary kept by Bernard Berenson, the famous art collector and critic (who was, by the way, an Episcopalian). Here is what Jones says:

"A pope must be an opportunist, a tyrant, a hypocrite, and a deceiver or he cannot be a pope. Bernard Berenson, in his Rumor and Reflection (a sort of notebook which he kept while hiding from the Germans in the hills above Florence during the Second World War), tells about the death of an early twentieth-century pope as described by his personal physician. When they came to give him the last rites, the pope ordered the priest and acolytes from the room, crying, ‘Get out of here. The comedy is over.’"

The implication is that some unidentified pope, knowing his end was at hand, acknowledged that his office and religion were jokes and that he had lived a lie. That would be a damning indictment if true—but was it? Compare what Jones gives with what Berenson actually wrote. This is the entire entry for May 5, 1941, and it is found on page 43 of Rumor and Reflection, which was published by Simon and Schuster in 1952:
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 09:46 AM
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1. But now that the conservatives want the Catholic vote...
I know what you mean. I can remember those days well. One way the repugs hold onto power is to gather the "Christian" forces together. So no more calling Catholics "Papists" or "cult members". As long as they can draw Catholics to their party.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 09:50 AM
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2. Exactly-Fox News seemed overjoyed reporting on the sex scandals
As I was aware of this kind of thinking I couldn't help but read into the way Fox News seemed so gleeful about reporting on that.

I am sure the message got out a while ago to stop bashing Catholics but the sex scandals were a wink and a nod to those receiving the coded message.

At least that is how I took it.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 10:27 AM
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3. Here's some related comments in another thread.
Except it gets the Protestant FWeepers talking about how Catholics aren't


Christians, and that the Pope shouldn't be worshiped, which of course pisses off the Catholic FWeepers, who just do a slow burn.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3413411
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 12:30 PM
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7. Here is a thread on this from Daily Kos
Republicans Don't Like Catholics
by Rally Burger


Sat Apr 2nd, 2005 at 15:46:36 PST

On the occasion of the Pope's death, I am reminded of one of the biggest failings of the Democratic Party: the unwillingness to point out that the Republican Party constantly associates itself with anti-Catholic bigots.
Every primary cycle, the Republicans go down to Bob Jones University to fellate the Christian Right. Bob Jones and his University have pushed the belief that the Pope is the anti-Christ, Catholics are not Christians, and the Church is a Satanic cult, and the "whore of Babylon."

This is not an isolated Evangelical view. Any Catholic, particularly ones in the South or Midwest, can tell you stories of anti-Catholic bigotry from Republicans. I'm reminded of a visit to an Assemblies of God church when I lived in Missouri. (My best friend was dating the Pastor's daughter... he was a Mormon, it caused a HUGE stink).

(more after the jump)

Diaries :: Rally Burger's diary :: :: Trackback ::

Anyway, in the lobby, I saw a pamphlet, titled "LIES OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH." I picked it up, and the opening graph contained text something to the extent of: " The Catholic Church has been spreading lies about the AOG. They have claimed we teach that Catholics cannot enter heaven because they are not Christians. This is not true. We believe they cannot enter Heaven because they do not have souls."

Strong stuff, eh?

more at http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/4/2/184636/9977

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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 10:36 AM
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4. Shows you what this dipshit knows
A while ago, "comedy" didn't mean what it means now. A comedy was a play with a happy ending, a tragedy was one with a sad ending, and a "farce" was what we now call a comedy.

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progressivejazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 12:00 PM
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6. Dante
As I remember, the last words of Dante's "Divine Comedy" are "the comedy is finished". If my memory is right, it casts what that Pope said in an entirely different light than what Jones implied, doesn't it?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 02:56 PM
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9. I was taught that a "comedy" was a play where the lead character...
got into a dilemma and had to work their way out of it. The modern example the teacher used was "Lucy"-at least that is what I was taught.

Bob Jones is an idiot.
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Nightwing Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 10:42 AM
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5. Hell has a waiting list for Jones and his flock
Supposed man of Christ who cannot comprehend or refuses to, the fact that Jesus taught TOLERANCE of all people and races. He and his followers that eat up hate for catholics will soon get theirs.
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 12:44 PM
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8. Well they better have plenty of room on that waiting list
cause the Seventh Day Adventist church thinks of the pope as "the great deceiver" that led the flock to worship on the wrong day thus preventing Catholics entry thru the "pearly gates"
I know because I married into such non-sense.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 10:46 PM
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10. Shameless hypocrites!
Peace.
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