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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 02:27 PM
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SCREW NICE
It's time for us Democrats to get real about this political war.
The wingers figured it out along time ago, FIGHT DIRTY, do what ever it takes to win. If you have a weak stomach stay out of the way of those who are willing stand up and smack back. We bring Marquis of Queensbury to street fights and get our asses handed to us.
They give us so much material yet we let them slide.This week I would have donated a crisp one hundred dollar bill to the DNC if anybody from our side would have gotten there chicken ass in front of a camera and said Tom Delay has no business lecturing anybody about anything. So you republicans get him under control and put him back in his cage. This country needs his hate mongering now like we need another war. God I miss Paul Wellstone. I know this is not the first post like this. I also know many politians frequent this site.
So for those of you Dems holding office, we've got your back. What are you waiting for? Start doing the things you were elected to do.
If they try to raming a bill through without giving proper time to debate. State publicly I can not vote in favor of something I am not informed about. Then vote NO.
I found myself looking for information on other countrys to move to the other day. WHAT THE HELL I was born here, my family goes back a couple hundred years in this country. I'll be damned if I'm going to leave because a bunch of Fascists think they have some right to impose there sick, paranoid schemes on me and my family. I know ranting rearly gets anywhere, but man it feels good. Thanks everybody.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 02:31 PM
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1. all that matters is VOTE INTEGRITY
seems to me that is everything and should the first order of biz-keep hoping it's a bad dream
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 02:34 PM
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2. Yep We need all the security of state offices.
I hear Arnold is doing everything he can to get Diebold in.
And is going for redistricting.
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Discord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 03:19 PM
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9. Mission #1... Reclaim the Media! Everything else second.
As long as they control the media we will never have another real election. Period. Matter of fact, as long as they can keep control over the media, they will continue to keep the minds of normally rational people hostage, nothing will get done.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 02:40 PM
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3. "We had to destroy the village to save it." n/t
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 02:42 PM
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4. For a minute I thought you wrote
We have to destroy the village idiot :D

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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 05:50 PM
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21. LOL n/t
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 02:43 PM
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5. Republicans look at politics as all out war
Like you said, win at all costs.

There's a book out that you might be interested in. It's called Banana Republican by John Stauber. Here's a description from Amazon's web site:

Banana Republicans reveals how the national GOP maintains its hold on power through the systematic manipulation of the electoral system, the courts, the media, and the lobbying establishment. The book examines:

* The legacy of the Florida ballot scandal, and how it has played out in the recall movement in California-and other states, where recall efforts are under way-and in the redistricting controversy in Texas.
* How a GOP echo chamber systematically spreads its views through conservative media giants-e.g., Clear Channel, Fox-and highly placed columnists, journalists, and opinion makers.
* How the Bush administration is loading the federal courts with a generation of demagogues, and smearing the names of legislators who attempt to stand in its way.
* How House Majority Leader Tom DeLay has strong-armed traditional lobbying firms into exclusively hiring Republicans, so that even K Street is political, rather than merely opportunistic.
* How the GOP has equated dissent with treason-e.g., Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld accusing war critics of abetting terrorism.
* How the Bush administration uses its power to punish dissent, such as the leaking of a CIA agent's name to the press, and unprecedented lawsuits against activist organizations such as Greenpeace.
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 03:01 PM
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6. How do you get Joe public
to wake the hell up? I have acquaintances (I don't call them friends anymore) who are so brain washed nothing sinks in, no matter what they see, hear, or read. It's like they are forcing themselves to go along with that crap. They are scared shitless. Are the churches pumping this crap into them? cuz limbaugh, hannity, those haters aren't that believable. Although the two word sound bites do work on them. I've been thinking about visiting some local churches, and if the preacher starts going off on Democrats or judges, leaping to my feet a yell are you serious? do you expect us to believe that? I came here to hear about the lord get back to preachin.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 03:15 PM
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7. The same ignorance and ego driven pride
that led them to believe the propaganda keeps them there. Things will only get better after things have gotten worse. Sad but true, more pain ahead.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 03:23 PM
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11. I think the first step is to take control of the media away from the RW
I don't know how to do that, however. The media has to be at least fair. It will take time to turn this around.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 03:34 PM
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14. cuz limbaugh, hannity, those haters aren't that believable.
Just for the heck of it... did you hear that Lush was recently divorced?? I didn't hear too awful much about it... kept kinda quiet... more family values we didn't hear about.
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 04:21 PM
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16. How many times does that make it now? n/t
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Melynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 04:58 PM
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20. Joe Public is starting to wake up
With gas prices going up, the economy going down and the neo-thugs insane "Social Security Reform" scheme the sheep are starting to realize what Bush is about. Don't believe me. Look at Bush's approval ratings, which are dropping like the stock market.

The question is what are the Democrats going to do about it? The Dems have their opening, there's blood in the water. Now they just have to take advantage of it.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 11:26 PM
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23. Why should only RW lunatics become preachers?
While your own preacher might be reasonable, it seems like the leadership is controlled by very wealthy wingnuts. I think it's time to recruit more progressive minds into the church leadership. And I have no idea how that's done :shrug:.

And TV is destroying this country. People just don't give a shit about thinking anymore. They just swallow the slick soundbytes and 24 hour whoring. When all you see is heavily biased propaganda, people will believe it.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 03:17 PM
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8. I thought you were encouraging polite intercourse.
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 03:20 PM
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10. That would have been nice screw, no wait that would have been
complementary.
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Alpharetta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 04:40 PM
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19. I did too!
I thought it meant screw them over (the Repub leaders) with a smile, the way they do the American public with tax breaks for the rich, social security "fixes", the new drug program, etc.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 03:26 PM
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12. We would have to gain control
of the media and force it to truth tell.
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 03:29 PM
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13. I give Clear Channel credit they finally brought it to Detroit n/t
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 04:17 PM
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15. Why do you hate France?
Oh, wait, I read past the subject line . . . never mind . . .
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 04:22 PM
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17. I agree
Democrats and liberals have a tendency not to fight, they rather turn the other cheek. It's there way of showing their superiority, not bowing down to the repugs level.

But it's also a self-defeating strategy. We have to fight fire with fire. Take no fucking prisoners. It's the only way.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 04:35 PM
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18. I know how you feel
And I agree. I'm sick and tired of being nice myself. Being nice gets you nowhere with these people. You can try all you want but it doesn't do any good. I'm with you. In these times you can't let things slide. No more dino's!
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 06:49 PM
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22. But we must not become like them......
Gahndi and Jesus both taught to turn the other cheek,

we will fight on, but with true love of our enemies as ourself...............
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 11:35 PM
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24. If you want to love them, feel free. But don't start whining when you....
...find out that the country is no longer the place you thought it was.

Fighting back has nothing to do with love or turning the other cheek.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 11:38 PM
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25. Fucking right on.
I refuse to let these fuckers take my country without a fight, and it does me good to know that I'm not the only one.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 08:22 AM
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26. it amazes me how few realize that this vote fraud problem is HUGE
even with a neutral media. If they can steal 5 million why not 30 million next time.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 12:34 PM
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27. Exactly
They stole the presidency from Gore in 2000. Then they stole the vote again in 2004. They are now planning how to steal the 2006 vote.

Without the stolen votes, Gore would now be serving his second term.
What a wonderful world it would be....Just Imagine
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 12:36 PM
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28. You don't have to fight dirty to win.
Look at Bill Clinton.

You just have to fight like hell.
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