Did you just see the press conference that priest just gave?

[goodboy]

Holy Shit! (pun intended)


He said, and I'm paraphrasing,"Terri's holding 3 stuffed animals, and if they'd been real animals, we couldn't do to them what 'we're' doing to terri. also the flowers have more water than terri, and we cannot be governed by courts, and that ordinary citizens (and the bush's) should take the law into their own hands and remove her by FORCE>


To those who were offended by some of the things I've said today about Jessie Jackson's involvment in this circus, I apologize.

If you saw the press conference, can you see why I'm concerned about anyone from our side getting involved?


Goodboy.

[xultar]

1. He's advocating shit he shouldn't be. That guy was frightening! n/t

[goodboy]

3. "courts, we don't need no stinking courts" (nt)

[Ann Arbor Dem]

2. What did he say? n/t

[xultar]

8. Saying that the country has a fight on it's hands and 2k4 election was

proof that people are willing to vote on their moral beliefs

[goodboy]

9. well, he basically advocated removing mrs. schiavo by force, and

said the courts have no authority blah blah blah...he said mrs. schiavo was holding stuffed animals, that had they been REAL animals, would be protected by law...the flowers in her room had more water than mrs. schiavo.


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[FreedomAngel82]

57. I'm sure they love

the power of the Bush family now eh? You've been screwed!

[annarbor]

4. What exactly are you making reference to?

Do you have a link to the press conference?
What did he say?

Ann Arbor

[goodboy]

10. Just happened, I don't think there'd be a transcript yet...I'll look.

[Beacho]

5. More info, please

stuck without a tube

[goodboy]

11. no pun intended...see post 9

[xultar]

12. He was also saying that they were taking better care of the flowers

in TS's room than her because the flowers had more water

[goodboy]

15. right...yeah, and that she was "holding" stuffed animals, and had they

been "real" animals, we wouldn't be able to "starve" them to death.


But when animals are sick, they stop eating and drinking on their own, go to a quiet place, and die in peace.

[Az]

6. Details?

Don't leave us hanging! :banghead:

[goodboy]

13. sorry, but I tried to remember as much as I could, I posted in #9

[AnnInLa]

7. details, please....thanks

[goodboy]

29. I added more to the original post, sorry...I'm still looking for more

[nytemare]

14. Talking about the stuffed animals

"If they were real, you couldn't do to them what they are doing to Terri". Exactly, they wouldn't have to starve to death because you could put them to sleep, and out of their misery.

[goodboy]

18. and, when animals aren't able to feed themselves or drink on their own

in nature, they die.

It's also been my experience that animals know when that time is near so they stop eating and drinking, and find a nice three ring media circus, parade around for the camera...

[nytemare]

24. Comparing apples with oranges for dramatic effect

Pretty lame, really. (the priest, I mean.)

[goodboy]

27. oh no kidding....but this is NOT about Mrs. Schiavo, it's about

dismantling our courts, and turning america into a fascist theocracy.

[FreedomAngel82]

58. I guess he did that

because everybody loves cute and fuzzy stuffed animals eh eh?

[stopbush]

19. If the teddy bears were real bears...

they'd be tearing poor TS to pieces.

What's the guy's point?

[goodboy]

25. well it's just another feeble attempt to throw a red herring into the

debate. Once again, 'who gives a fuck what her wishes are"

[PA Democrat]

16. He said that people must ignore the court's rulings

He challenged people to take matters into their own hands. He specifically called out congress and the Bush boys, but also implied that ordinary citizens had a responsibility to take action to "save" Terri.

[goodboy]

20. Yes, that's right, he said that we shold ignore the law, and the courts

and take the law into our own hands.

[FreedomAngel82]

59. If they do

I hope they like jail. I'm sure the nice nasty apples would be appitizing to them.

[apple_ridge]

17. Could this be more obtuse?

[goodboy]

22. see post 9

[Doctor_J]

21. And my wife wants me to consider going back to the Catholic church

yeech. I should've married a Darwinist.

[goodboy]

23. I'm not gonna even touch that one...(nt)

[Beaverhausen]

26. and if she had a written living will "we" would be doing the same thing

but then, it would be ok?

this is what is scary to me.

[goodboy]

28. This is not about Mrs. Schiavo, and I don't think it ever was...I think

they're using her as a catalyst to rally the far right into mobilizing to dismantling our courts, converting to one party rule...

who was it that said, One party, one country, one people, one fuhrer?

[FreedomAngel82]

60. Of course

That's the whole plan. Why else after all these years would they have worked to try to get rid of us democrats? That's pretty obvious. They've never liked us. Well too freakin bad cry babies.

[goodboy]

32. I thought more about what you said, and I

don't think even a living will would matter to these people...they would've said, she was coerced by her 'cheating' husband into making it, and continued to villify him.

[Beaverhausen]

34. right. that's what I'm afraid of. Who will decide our fate when/if we...

....find ourselves in the same situation?

Apparantly this sort of slow euthanasia happens all the time but now that it is out in the open I'm worried it won't be an option to anyone at the end of their lives.

[goodboy]

37. they've done such a good job of falsifying the process by which

death occurs in this situation, and the media has given them a pass on it. Facts are inconvenient for right wingers, so they ignore them at all costs..fortunately the liberal media will echo their lies 24/7

[aquart]

56. Please put "liberal" in quotes when you use it that way?

Please.

[FreedomAngel82]

61. They'd only come after you

if you're good for their political purposes. If you're a black baby forget about it.

[cornermouse]

40. For the moment it would be.

But I think they have plans for that as well.

[goodboy]

42. if they're right with the lord, then why wouldn't they want to be in

paradise? Or, do they just want to fuck up the world so much that we all go at the same time, whether we like it or not.

About erring on the side of life, 1 in 4 women now have enough mercury in them to cause birth defects,, yet bush allows more mercury into our air than ever before.

[Biology]

30. he's right about the animals

Although I very much support the decision of the court, and the right of an individual to have life support removed when terminal, the priest is actually right about the animals. No institutional animal care and use committee in this country (University, NIH, USDA, private biotech company, pharmaceutical company, etc.) would allow any research animal to be euthanized by withholding food and/or water for 1-2 weeks while in coma. They would all insist on lethal injection or some other form of euthanasia.

[goodboy]

31. But he's comparing apples and oranges don't you think?

this is more about destroying our judiciary than anything else.

[Johonny]

33. If they were real

Correct me if I'm wrong we actually euthanize healthy animals in shelters just because of over crowding. I mean holding the animal standard to Terri I'd be firing up my grill.

Animals are not held up to the same standards as people or else they'd all be arrested for public nudity

[goodboy]

36. go johnny go! (nt)

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

We euthanize millions of healthy dogs and cats

EVERY YEAR in animal shelters in this country. We have a major problem with overpopulation of companion animals - fed by the greed of the puppymillers who keep them in inhuman conditions and breed them indiscriminately, sell them to the pet stores where people pay $500 - $1000 for an unhealthy pup. Aren't you glad you asked?

For more info on puppymills (many run by the Amish who needed another cash crop) see:
http://www.prisonersofgreed.org/

[goodboy]

46. I got my cat from a place that does not euthanize the animals...totally

non profit, and they keep them there indefinitely or until they find a good home.

felt really good.

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

48. There are many no-kill shelters

and lots of rescue groups - I am involved with one - that try to save them - also promote spay/neuter to prevent more unwanted animals. Its an exhausting, never-ending battle. You really see the dark side of humans.

[goodboy]

35. wasn't it the right wingers who fought against kevorkien on the premise

that medical care should be withdrawn as opposed to euthanasia because it's "natural"

hmm.....

[Orsino]

38. Also the flowers have more brain power than Terri...

to be blunt about it.

The current circus is a result of the belief in a magical spirit that makes things alive, a belief which deludes itself and anyone who will listen into believing that a mindless body has a personality. Because the nearly brain-dead lump of flesh still looks like Terri, the cultists must shout down the medical evidence which says unambiguously that nobody's home.

[goodboy]

41. what do you think about dems/liberals/lefties associating themselves

with the circus in Pinellas?

[Orsino]

45. If someone would emphasize the real data...

...i.e., that doctors who have actually examined Terri says she's got no higher brain left, and that she can't feel anything, that might prove useful.

I'm sure that more people think that Terri is struggling and screaming for help than actually bought into that WMD s--t at its peak.

[goodboy]

47. I understand what you're saying, the issue has been clouded to shit

by docs who haven't examined her, pundits who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. I agree.

Our side should stay out of it.

[FreedomAngel82]

62. Both sides should stay out of it

Nobody should've been involved in the first place. Everybody, including the parents, should've butt the hell out. :banghead:

[Orsino]

65. Stay out of it, maybe...

...at least as far as the endless court petitions.

We should IMO advocate confining the practice of medicine to qualified professionals, and attempt to keep all sides out of future cases. as you say, it's a matter for the next-of-kin to decide, with the aid of the best possible medical advice available.

I suspect that this is a very special case. Most people on partial life support don't have such severe brain damage, and might stand a reasonable chance of some sort of recovery and quality of life.

[IndianaGreen]

63. That "nearly brain-dead lump of flesh" is still a human being!

Some of you have been so busy shouting at the fundies on TV that you did not hear the sound made by the fracture in the 2004 ABB coalition that the anti-religion vitriol has brought about.

[goodboy]

39. I want to get back on topic, this kind of extreme rhetoric is exactly

why nobody from our side should be touching this thing with a 10 foot pole.


Your thoughts?

[sallyseven]

43. You are right we should not

be talking to the press about this. Let them make fools of them selves alone in the dark. The repukes don't give a damn about Terri. Terri is nothing to them but an excuse to cause trouble. I hope everyone sees this for what it is, bulls t.

[goodboy]

44. yep...they're using the tragedy to destroy our courts, and turn the

country into a fascist theocracy.

[Lindacooks]

49. Um, isn't that illegal? Like yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater?

This guy should be arrested for inciting riots.

[goodboy]

51. Oh that would be great for their cause wouldn't it? Firehoses

and pepper spray...I feel so sorry for the others in the hospice who are there to die with peace and dignity.

[nonconformist]

50. If that priest was an Arab Muslim cleric, he'd be half way to Gitmo by now

For conspiracy to commit terrorism or some such shit.

Why is it that comments like this are only tolerated if you are a white Christian American?

[goodboy]

52. what if Mrs. Schiavo were a muslim? (nt)

[nonconformist]

53. Then we'd all be saying "Schiavo who?" nt

[goodboy]

54. no shit. (nt)

[Auntie Bush]

64. You forgot to add Republican. If he was a Democat...he'd be arrested!

[A Simple Game]

55. I'd love to help, but

it's too late now, if he could have spoken up sooner, I was in Florida last September. I can't afford to go back right now.

This caring and compassionate priest must have a list of all the people in Terri's condition in this country. If he could show me his list for New York State(I'm sure there are some) then maybe I could help save someone closer to me.

Sharing the list with us would show the world that he truly cares, and is not just trying for his 15 minutes of fame.

Any bets that he even knows of one more person in Terri's' condition?