White folks should not listen to rap

[Postmanx]

University Chronicle

---snip---
Why do white people listen to hip-hop and rap music? Last year I lived in a residential hall, and at first I thought the entire floor was filled with black students. Hip-hop and rap music were played constantly.

My comments are not meant to be racist. I just do not believe white people should listen to hip-hop and rap music. Nor do I believe blacks should listen to alternative, heavy metal and rock music.

If anything, white students who attempt to use black slang and wear baggy pants look and sound ridiculous. Maybe no one has pointed that out to white students in America. So I am.

I ave no right to tell anyone what they should or should not listen to, but I do have a right to express my views on this subject. And I believe whites should stick to music by white artists.
---snip---

[Bluebear]

1. Good gravy. edit, writer is not white

This is a University student writing, folks not some withered old hatemonger! :scared:

[charlie]

8. Not white power

He's black. It's easy to miss with his splattershot rambling.

[notadmblnd]

97. Black people are not immune to prejudice

in fact some of the most racist people I know (by marriage) are black.

[ultraist]

157. I have to wonder why the OP posted an Alan Keyes wanna be article

This college kid sounds like a Republican in this article as well as a couple of his other articles.

He certainly does NOT represent the majority of the Black community.

notadmblnd:

How many Black racists do you know that are members of a Hate group or participate in promoting widespread discrimination or institutionalized discrimination?

Also, what do you mean, you know "by marriage?" I don't think I'm understanding your post very well. ;)

99% of the people I know and know of, who are racist and/or are in power positions are white. Bush and his entire klan comes to mind.

[noiretextatique]

188. i just read another of his rants...in support of the confederate flag

apparently he voiced this opinion when mlkIII came to speak there, and mlkIII told him he was ignorant and ill-informed...LOL. he whined about it the letter and said the children of famous people shouldn't be invited to speak...LOL.
another of his letters whined about how shocked he was when students booed an anti-choice minister who brought along some of those awful fetus pictures. good call, ultraist...another clarence thomas in the making.
when you find out about the black equivalent of the KKK, Aryan Nations, Skinheads, etc, etc, etc...will you please let me know too?

[H2O Man]

125. White folk invented rap.

It's heard at every square dance.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

129. Allemande left, put a cap in your bitch

Do-si-do, slap your ho

[H2O Man]

130. You got me

dancing with wild abdomen.

[alcibiades_mystery]

132. Uh lordy

I believe you know what square dancing is, but I'm pretty sure you haven't the slightest clue what rap is.

[H2O Man]

134. uh, lordy

I'm pretty sure who ain't got a clue.

[alcibiades_mystery]

136. Me too

n/t

[H2O Man]

137. deep.

very deep.

[yewberry]

9. Nope.

No "white power"--the kid's black. Doesn't make him any less of an idiot, just one of a different variety.

[Bluebear]

14. Thanks.

Idiots Come In Every Color.

[Tomee450]

89. What we have is an opinion piece

appearing in a newspaper. How do we know the writer is even black. This could easily have been written by someone not black who just objected to hearing black music and seeing whites wearing the kind of clothes that some black wear. The fact that he questions how whites can know that much about the lives of black people means nothing. That could easily have been thrown in as a blind. We have no way of knowing that the writer is an African American. I'm rather suspicious.

[yewberry]

92. Actually

if you read the linked text, he comes right out and says it. It's not included in the "snip."

[Tomee450]

151. We can be certain someone

who writes an opinion piece, someone not interviewed in person, is of a certain race? I don't think so. I'm not saying he couldn't be black but there is a possibilty he just might not be.

[ultraist]

154. Excellent point!

It may well be a white writer. The examples he uses "whazzup" and the baggy clothes sounds like a white voice (pov) as they are very stereotypical.

The search feature here is handy to, to get some insight into posters. It's relevant to consider who posted this and why they posted it. ;)

mmmmhhhhmmmm...somethings up here.

[goodhue]

15. the author is black

Not that it excuses the obvious racism. If the author was white, it would not likely be printed given St. Cloud's abhorrent history.
Stearns County has more than its share of white power militia types.

[FreedomAngel82]

50. So would he like it

if I told him if he wasn't a gansta he couldn't listen to Jay-Z or 50 cent? :eyes: What a joke.

[The Gunslinger]

72. Still wrong

It's just as rascist as it would be coming from a white person. The race of the writer need not even be known.

[mattclearing]

111. Someone should tell him the past tense of sing isn't song.

And he obviously hasn't been to a hip-hop concert lately, or he would know that hip-hop draws a diverse crowd that is appreciated by the artists.

Just goes to show that racism comes in all forms from all types.

[izzybeans]

2. .

:rofl: and then :popcorn:

[charlie]

3. He needs to demand a refund from that college

It ain't doing him no good. Apart from being weird, that article was nearly incoherent.

[Bluebear]

6. It really was junior high level writing, wasn't it n/t

[maxsolomon]

4. jimi hendrix

your point is now moot.

[Clark2008]

12. And on the flip-sides

Eminem and Charlie Pride.

[K-W]

38. not to mention that rock and roll also started in black culture

one of many facts that make this editorial comically stupid

[Clark2008]

88. Rock n' Roll, bluegrass and country & western

all started in the South, particularly Tennessee, too.

Just wanted to throw that out there.

How odd that the Bible belt spawned some of the most historic of American music.

[Fleshdancer]

5. wow. what an incredibly stupid editorial.

Using this logic, since I don't have a penis, I shouldn't listen to any music created by men nor should I listen to any music by anyone who's skin is different than mine. And just think, all this time I've been listening to music from other parts of the world...what WAS I thinking? :eyes:

[Bluebear]

10. DOH!!!

Joni Mitchell is my muse and I have no vagina! Damnit now who do I listen to. :crazy:

[Fleshdancer]

17. How dare you! I'll send you my address, just mail the music to me

:D It was worth a shot. I love Joni Mitchell! (wow, this vagina thing sure can be useful at times)

[Bluebear]

19. Great. You get Joni and I am stuck with Michael Bolton.

[Fleshdancer]

22. no bitching from you! I have to claim Kathie Lee Gifford!

well, after second thought, I think that makes us somewhat even.

[Blue_In_AK]

86. Now, THAT'S funny. n/t

[ProfessorGAC]

128. Oh The Horror!

Michael Bolton! Sheesh! Now you're sunk if he has to be your muse. At least think about Mel Torme. White, male, and had skills! Then you'd be ok with this op-ed writer, and you'd be off the bottom of the barrel where Bolton lives.
The Professor

[tubbacheez]

26. Extending that reasoning even further...

... since everybody is unique in some way, nobody should listen to any music they themselves did not create.



LOL

[Fleshdancer]

30. Exactly! and that's not going to work for me because I can't sing

seriously, I can't even stand to listen to me in the shower. I'm THAT bad.

[tubbacheez]

39. But can you rap!?!?!?

Or recite poetry?

Or make artistic compositions of various body noises?






Just thinking out of the box here..... :)

[notadmblnd]

101. I have to listen to other peoples music

my singing hurts my ears.

[tubbacheez]

143. I can't sing either, but maybe I could send you some...

... black market mp3s of me humming. :)

[salinen]

28. What happened to your Penis?

Was it painful?

[burythehatchet]

40. If I ever catch you eating Indian food I'm reporting you to Postmanx

:P

[Sympleesmshn]

7. read closer...

---snip---
Ironically though, I was one of only two black students on my entire floor. I would pass guys in the hall and they would say "wassup bro." I never bothered to respond.
---snip---

[tubbacheez]

29. That simply proves the author is a jerk.

A greeting was extended to him and he blew it off.


If he accepted the friendliness of the offer, he might've found a receptive ear to his complaints about what FORM such greetings take.

But no, he had to be a jerk.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

94. Way to miss the point.

:eyes:

The article has a lot of points I disagree with, but I can see where this kid is coming from on this one.

[tubbacheez]

141. Granted, I was remarking on a side point. Nonetheless...

... the author has chosen this means of communication to express his views.


Regardless of who agrees or disagrees with his views, his manner of communicating these views sucks. They do not encourage dialogue or exploration and understanding.

His snubbing attitude shows in both his response to an offered greeting and his rant on the social containment of music.... an organic human art that IMHO can never be contained for long.

[BuyingThyme]

11. Does anybody have that pancake rabbit handy?

[Clark2008]

16. This one?

[BuyingThyme]

20. Love it.

[More Than A Feeling]

164. That is awesome!

Its right up there with "How about a nice big cup of shut the fuck up".

[Career Prole]

13. Goodbye jazz. Goodbye blues. Goodbye....

When I have "O, Canada" memorized may I bring my family there? I have the tune down already...I can whistle it all the way through.
Pretty please? :eyes:

[Dr Fate]

24. And most of the guitar licks in country songs too.

n/t

[Algorem]

18. What up with the wigger-bashin',dog?

[ohio_liberal]

21. How incredibly stupid

I can't listen to rap music because I don't know what it's like to be hassled by the cops. Good reason. Really. :eyes:

[Hershman]

23. As I sit here listening

to Nelly's "Air Force Ones" I think its mostly that white kids think its cool to listen to it. Kinda like the beginning of Office Space.

[XemaSab]

44. Speaking of

Michael Bolton...

[NightHawk63]

160. As I sit here listening

to Zeppelin's Black Dog, I couldn't give a less of a shit about anybody's opinion of what I should be listening to as a black man. Actually I find it cool when I see young white kids listening to rap/hip hop. Anything that brings the races together can't be all bad.

[Swamp Rat]

25. Some folks should get a lobotomy

x(

[Mugweed]

27. It speaks volumes

about the intelligence of our youth. It's funny to me how each younger generation thinks they're smarter than the ones before them, but never actually learn the lessons demonstrated previously.

From one white guy to whoever: Music that claims a race is no longer music...or worth listneing to.

[Donailin]

31. how stupid. nt

[jedr]

32. pop culture has always been defined by blacks;

goes clear back to minstrel shows in the 19th century..black face and all...jazz ,bebop,blues,soul ....sorry,when I want good music , Miles is my man

[shanti]

62. all music started in africa

i truly believe that.

[Richard Steele]

113. YOU are WRONG!!!! (kinda)

All music did not start in Africa...

All _GOOD_ music started in Africa!

Lots of half-assed noise started in other places!

Long story SHORT:

4/4 time: AFRICAN!

Game, Set, Match... It's OVER, dude!

[yardwork]

177. All humans started in Africa, when it comes down to it.

[BBradley]

185. Weren't the first obvious musical instruments found in Asia?

Saying the roots of music came out of Africa is one thing, but saying ALL music started in Africa is another.

[Comrade Kangaroo]

33. Meh

Well, if you need a less race-centric reason not to listen to rap, most rap just plain sucks. It's moronic, top-forty shit completely devoid of any musical quality or creativity. It's just some dumbass in a FUBU jacket talking about his bitches and/or ho's. It's boring to listen to, it's uncreative, it's all been done before, and it just encourages a culture of gang violence, drug use, and intolerance against women, caucasians (ok, we kinda deserve it, but whatever), and homosexuals. It's liquid shit for your CD player. And I'm a 16 year old from the suburbs, so I see plenty of this pretend "ghetto" culture. Kids that live in the suburbs but somehow seem to think that the parking lot outside of starbucks is their "hood". I see these nimrods every day at school wearing their bling-bling and calling everybody "dawg" and I just wanna slap the bastards. I see some dumbass walking down the hall saying "yo yo yo, wassup ma nigga?" and it's hard to reconcile that with the fact that I just saw him exit his mother's Lexus while she reminded him that his piano lesson was at six.

Sorry for the rant there.

On the other hand, I do like a little bit of old-school hip hip...NWA, Public Enemy, Dr. Dre...that stuff actually has some musical creativity in it, and their songs are actually written with some social conscience...Public Enemy was the first rapper to really write protest songs. It's pretty good stuff. But yeah, as for "Fitty Cent", I would enjoy watching a candy shop blow up with him in it.

[ohio_liberal]

36. NWA is straight gangsta rap

definitely not hip hop. Public Enemy was the first group to really use sampling technology.

[Vladimir]

109. But NWA is a lot more political than most currrent

gangsta rap. They may have been sexist pigs, but that doesn't make them any less revolutionary... anyhow, as Dead Prez would say, you can be revolutionary AND gangsta!

[ohio_liberal]

124. Absolutely

The music still is awesome.

[frylock]

57. sorry, but there is plenty of good underground hip-hop to be found..

one just need know where to look. As a confirmed backpacker, I take offense when people who obviously have no clue as to what's out there make claims that rap sucks. I agree that the current state of hip-pop that permeates the airwaves is complete milquetoast, but please refrain from disparaging the art in Toto simply because of your ignorance.

[shanti]

63. hey frylock!

i notice your lakers avatar is missing :evilgrin:

[frylock]

67. why i oughta..

I think I've watched all of about two games the whole way through this season. What an embarrassment. Makes me long for the salad days of Del Harris! :cry:

[shanti]

150. you and me both, brother!

jerry buss traded the wrong person! i wasted my money getting league pass this season (JUST for the lakers, mind you), but won't be making that mistake again!

well, maybe if they are low enough in the standings, they can pick up a good draft pick next season....their "big man" is missing.

[Blue_In_AK]

Welcome, Comrade.

I liked your post. :)

[Blue_In_AK]

87. Ooops, dupe.

[Vladimir]

108. Welcome to DU!

nice rant... and I am glad you acknowledge that there is good hip-hop out there because there is A LOT of good hip hop out there. Just not on most radio stations.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

133. HAHAHAHA - you just contradicted the crap out of yourself

Dr Dre? You've never listened to him obviously!

[LilBitRad]

34. Too damn dumb to be serious

and sounds suspiciously racist to me, despite the disclaimer.

[CatWoman]

56. it was a white guy (a co worker BTW)

Who turned me on to NWA.

[K-W]

35. What myopic racist drivel.

As a white person who listens to music from around the world and to genres spanning many cultural groups I can tell you that having dark skin doesnt give you musical territorial rights.

[solinvictus]

37. I agree..

and will do everything in my power to avoid it like the plague.

[tammywammy]

41. What about Beastie Boys?

I guess I should return that 50 Cent album I bought, but I can keep that Marilyn Manson.

Oh, and there goes my Ella, Miles Davis, and the rest of my jazz collection. I'll keep the classical, since Mozart and Beethoven were white.

What a stupid argument. Maybe he should be a little less of a jerk, and maybe expand his mind a little.

BTW I do think the baggy pants looks stupid, on everyone, no matter what their race.

[FreedomAngel82]

51. I love the Beastie Boys

They're awesome. I love their stuff. The first song of their's I ever heard was "Fight for the right(to party)" and been hooked ever since.

[tammywammy]

55. Me too, I've listened to them forever

And I've seen them in concert once (my 18th birthday). I would have seen them on my 20th birthday (I still have the tickets), but that was the year they canceled the tour.

The last album was such a throw back to Paul's Boutique. And they seem to have an almost timeless quality, you never get tired of them.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

42. I think the kid has a couple of good points wrapped in a fallacious

argument.

His couple of good points are that white kids tend to embrace rap as though it is embracing the black culture. It isn't, even though it may be a PART of the black culture.

His other decent point is that "whassup bro" is really a thoughtless way to greet a person of another color that you may or may not know. It's pretty disrespectful to immediately assume that because a person is black, they wanna "jive" with you.

His fallacious argument is that white people do this because they listen to rap.

It's wrong. White people do it either because they don't know how to behave or they are being stupid.

[ultraist]

43. excellent points NSMA!

I think it's ridiculous for whites to attempt to "own" the Black culture or pretend to know it, as Blacks do. I do think he went too far, attempting to make this point, by stating whites should not listen to Rap or Hip Hop. Certainly, we can have appreciation for other cultures.

I have to wonder what's up with all of these exception to the rule threads we are seeing: 'Christians are being persecuted,' 'Women are complaining too much about sexism,' 'A Black being racist'

What's next today? 'Gays are oppressing straights?'

The fact is, for every article authored by a Black, that apppears to be racist, there are millions of articles authored by whites that are riddled with white supremacy.

Let's put this in perspective, Blacks are not victimizing whites. Racism against whites is not a horrific social ill as it is against people of color.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

47. No doubt it was posted to get a rise

[FreedomAngel82]

52. I do see where you're coming from

But he should've been more clear in his argument. Just because I'm white doesn't mean I can't enjoy a good Brian McKnight or Usher album. I guess I shouldn't listen to old school Michael Jackson but stick with new school. :eyes:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

54. It's a college kid. I don't expect rocket science from a college kid

hopefully he'll grow up and see the error of his argument.

[noiretextatique]

71. they aren't rappers

brian mcknight and usher, that is.

[Heddi]

169. Yo! Sistah! How it is?

You know I'm just jivin' you....

:hi:

Sorry...reading what I wrote, even in my head, oh god I'm so white it's not even funny. I can't sound cool no matter how hard I try. I just pronounce my "r's" too hard. If I actually said outloud what I wrote, I'm sure that 98% of the black community (and a large part of the white community) would just all grab their bellies and roll on the floor, laughing for hours at my futile attempt to be a "hep cat"....is that even a WORD anymore?

sigh

:sobbing: I can never be a gangsteR ha ha

---
Hi Noir!!! Hope you're doing well :)

[noiretextatique]

74. he did make those points

which were lost on most here. as someone else pointed out...this was a "hit and run" post anyway.
and i'll add...there is nothing more irritating than some white person addressing me with his/her version of what they think black people talk like...
as to usurping the culture...that's the american way.

[Tomee450]

81. and nothing

more irritating than expecting all black people to know how to do that hand thingy that some blacks do.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

95. How about if they ask you if you want some fried chicken?

While the kid made some points that were bad, as you say some good points were completely lost. One poster even called disregarding those stereotypical greetings as "rude". :eyes:

I wish I could give an example that whites could understand, but I can't.

[noiretextatique]

140. when i posted about being stopped by two police cars

two, mind you, for driving on a brightly lit street without lights...a "violation" police routinely use there loudspeakers to deal with and move the fuck on...guess how many times i was told that wasn't racial profiling? the police told me it was "standard procedure," but the judge didn't buy it, thank goodness. she was so pissed, she practically threw the complaint out the window when she dismissed the charge.
but this...this kid...he's the worst racist in america. to be sure.

[Heddi]

171. "he's the worst racist in america. to be sure"

yeah. Him and Bill Cosby.

You know, I'm so thankful of the white, Christian, Heterosexual males out there to remind us what is and isn't racist, what is and isn't offensive, and what we should and shouldn't be upset about

But don't listen to me...I'm just shuckinG and jivinG.

PS--what is Shuckin'? Do they mean like shucking corn? So are Black People..I mean "folks" out there, shucking corn and gettin' down and dirty at the same time? What about the corn silk? Doesn't that get in the way?

:very confused very white girl scratching her head:

[noiretextatique]

175. lol...i'm not sure what shucking is, to be honest

:hi: haven't seen you in a while, then again...i haven't been on much.
i found a good article about white privilege that i intend to post here soon. it was written by a professor at the university of texas, and was published in a few real newspapers. i don't know if it's as interesting as this one from a minnesota college's student newspaper...we'll see, i guess.

[Heddi]

176. White Privelege? What dat be?

Why, for there to be Privelege would imply that there is no DISCRIMINATION against white folks, especially WHITE, STRAIGHT, CHRISTIAN MALE folks.

Why...that goes against everything I've been taught..I mean, how else can you explain away a sub-par white student being denied entrance to a college because a more well-deserving, higher-grade BLACK student was given 'his' spot?

C'mon now...you're talking crazy talk....

[noiretextatique]

178. i love to talk crazy

how much you wanna bet that the % of agreement about that article will be muh less than about than about this one? the guy's name is robert jensen, and he doesn't pull any punches, so i will be lucky if it lasts two seconds in GD.

[Heddi]

180. Oh Noir, you know how it is

how many times do we have to go through with this:

Male teachers molesting female students = bad perverts
Female teachers molesting male students = Penthouse Forum Fantasy

Black Discrimination = victim-role
White Privelege = "get on with that crazy talk" (or my favourite "Oh yeah, well I'm a white man and ain't got NOTHING. I mean, I'm even poor, and we ALL know that white people can't have privelege if they're POOR...poor is just for black and brown-not-black people)

Reparations for Holocaust Victims & Families = sound judgement
Reparations for Descendants of Slaves = Whaaa?? NO ONE in *MY* family was a slave-holder. I mean, what are we gonna do, just TAX all the white folk? What about black people that moved here after the Civil War? What about Dominicans? What about Africans? What about Black People who have white ancestors? What about White people who have Black ancestors? What about the white people who moved here after the civil war? What about European Americans? What about deaf-mute Russian immigrants who never even KNEW black people existed until they read this very thread? Do I get money? I have a black friend! What about the black people who never had children? Do Rich Black Celebrities get as much money as poor black folks. See, there's no way to do it fairly, so it shouldn't be done at all. All this will do is further divide black and white Americans.

lather
rinse
repeat

[noiretextatique]

181. you so craaaazzzy!

LMAO...lather, rinse, repeat...indeed. i think you forgot about how the OJ verdict *proved* there is no longer a need for affirmative action :eyes: stay tuned for my thread...i am sure there wont be any deviation from your script :hi: you crack me up, woman :hi:

[Heddi]

193. I can't wait to see your thread

I await with baited breath. I shall chime in, for shure.

I mean "fo sho, homie"

Signed,

H-to-the-izzle

See? I be cool. I be down wid my nubian sistahs and brothas.

:exit Heddi doing sterotypical Gangsta-Pimp-Walk, hand-gestures and all:

[kwassa]

190. you are hilarious, and right, too.

great note.

[Tomee450]

192. Great post!!

Right on the mark!!

[Tomee450]

80. Exactly right!!

[notadmblnd]

102. Where we live it's referred to as ghetto

because it is neither a black or white thing.

[Misunderestimator]

116. You always see through the garbage to the value of something...

I love that about you. :)

[XemaSab]

45. So who's left listening to Michael Jackson????

This author is a moran.

[ohio_liberal]

46. "Whassup bro" ~~

I'm around teens and college age kids (white and black) every day and I don't know anyone who uses that as a greeting to another person regardless of color. Maybe 5 years ago, but definitely not now. The white kids don't dress like they do to try to "be" black. They dress like that because it's the accepted fashion of the day. They don't use the language they do because it's "black slang". They talk the way they do because it is the accepted slang of their generation. Dude needs to get over himself a little.

[FreedomAngel82]

53. Exactly

He should thank MTV.

[slutticus]

48. "My comments are not meant to be racist."

Anytime someone has to take the time to say or write this phrase, chances are that something ignorant is about to be uttered.

..........yep...I was right!

[tammywammy]

91. It's like saying "not offense,

but you're really fat."

If anything starts with "not to be ___" or "no offense" they're are, and just trying to defend themselves beforehand.

[FreedomAngel82]

49. He's not racists?

What a joke. He surely is! If I want to listen to rap music I'm going to. I shouldn't have to just listen to country music cause some person thinks white folks can't enjoy some hiphop or rap music too. Ugh. He should tell that to Jenna and Barbara Bush. Apparantley they are Outkast fans and they're as white as they come.

[da_chimperor]

58. I don't get how he distinguishes between white and black music.

Music doesn't have a color, it's just music. Egads, what a dumbass. Sounds like a racist trying to sound not-racist to me.

[Bouncy Ball]

59. The writer kept contradicting him or herself.

I'm white, and I listen to ALL kinds of music, including rap and the writer of that column can kiss my white ass.

[Left Is Write]

60. He didn't mean his racist comments to be racist?

[shanti]

61. *shaking my head*

and i thought i'd heard it all.....

[iwantmycountryback]

64. Blacks shouldn't listen to rock music?

Hasn't he ever heard of Jimi Hendrix? Bob Marley?

[Biased Liberal Media]

65. How stupid. I grew up in a predominantly African-American

neighborhood, and to this day I still listen to rap.

I'm half Filipino & half white too.

Whatever...

[LeftyMom]

70. What the hell are multi-racial people s'posed to listen to anyhow?

My best friend is multi-racial. Will this guy permit her to listen to the music of her choice or must it be silent in her car until the Japanese/Choctaw hybrid music subgenre fills her needs? :eyes:

[Misunderestimator]

114. "Japanese/Choctaw hybrid music subgenre"

:rofl:

[Solon]

66. Isn't one of the singers of Sevendust black?

I think that blows his premise right out of the water right there. Course, I could be wrong about Sevendust, wouldn't be the first time, I don't listen to them, I listen to Hip Hop and Rap myself, and I'm white. :)

[Nikia]

168. He's black

I forget what his name is, but he is definitely racially black. Perhaps the author would argue that he is not culturually black, but that would just be a racist stereotype.

[Cleita]

68. I guess no one should listen to country music either

if they're not white. Damn I'll have to give up Dolly Parton.

[Kingofalldems]

69. Hit and run post

What is your point?

[Misunderestimator]

115. That is painfully obvious now, 13 hours after the hit...

[Kingofalldems]

119. Glad someone else

smells something besides me. Search.

[Misunderestimator]

122. Hmmm

at quick glance... the hit and run MO fits... However, too much gungeon stuff there for me to wade through... :)

[Tomee450]

153. I would not be surprised

if it was discovered that someone other than a black student wrote the article. I am very suspicious. Something doesn't feel right.

[noiretextatique]

182. i would be surprised

if a black kid actually wrote the article. after giving it some thought, it does reek of some dumbass freeper-in-training.

[donheld]

73. "comments are not meant to be racist"

but nevertheless they are racist! :grr:

[MrSlayer]

75. Damn, No more King's X, Sepultura, Suicidal Tendencies

All Metal bands that have black members. This is one of the most ridiculous posts I have ever seen. I'm shocked it's even allowed on here it's so blatently racist.

Would it help if I told you Black people invented Rock n Roll?

Paging Richard Penniman!! You are no longer allowed to play "Long Tall Sally"!

[dolo amber]

146. No more Sevendust! No more Fishbone!

:cry:

What a douchebag. :eyes:

[mmonk]

76. As far as music goes, I say

It's your thing
Do what ya wanna do
I can't tell you
who to sock to


Actually I had an idea for a new music genre. I would combine country with rap. I would call it crap. What do you think?

[Cleita]

83. You will probably be next music star.

I'm not kidding.

[NavyDem]

93. New Genre...+

"Actually I had an idea for a new music genre. I would combine country with rap. I would call it crap. What do you think?"


I think it's already been done I.E. Nelly/Tim McGraw's "Over and Over"

[mmonk]

106. oops

well there you have it. Have to think of something else.

[noiretextatique]

77. let's hope the next reparations thread

produces and much interest and discussion as this thread about the naive musings of a college student who doesn't appreciate being greeted a certain way in the dorms.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

96. Are you kidding? This completely proves how persecuted whites are.

Uppity negroes...this kid obviously speaks for the entire black community and counters the millions of racial injustices and prejudices dished out by whites.

:eyes:

[noiretextatique]

139. obviously...

:hi: how can i be so blind...it proves that point entirely LOL.
i wonder if the original poster ever bothered to respond :eyes:

[ultraist]

156. LMAO!

That was along the lines of my first reaction.

Interesting, that someone posted an article by an Alan Keyes wanna be and numerous people start frothing at the mouth to call this black kid a racist.

He certainly represents the majority voice of the Black community. :eyes:

I'm not suprised by this and I have my opinion on the intent here after reading posts by this OP.

I did a search and read another article by this college kid who was criticizing MLK Jr and defending the confederate flag, he is most likely a Republican and possibly white, although he claims not.

[Tomee450]

191. Thank you for this information.

[BiggJawn]

78. What a load...

"My comments are not meant to be racist..."

Sorry, dude, but that's the way they came across.

So how do you feel about old white guys listening to Roots Reggae? R n' B? TSOP? The Oakland Sound?

Yeah, and NOBODY should listen to Paganini, because that sounds like some guy who's hung like a mule butt-raping a cat...

Only thing worse than a Music Critic with no Cred is a RACIST Music Critic with no Cred.

I always thought that the neatest thing about music was that it can transcend racial and cultural "lines".

[despairing optimist]

79. Hmmm. "Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever!"

"Nor do I believe blacks should listen to alternative, heavy metal, and rock music." Tell that to Jimi Hendrix.

Somebody please give this kid a clue. Youth is wasted on the young.

[DireStrike]

82. Why would we want to? I can't stand the garbage.

But if somebody does want to listen to it... for whatever reason... it's their choice.

[Catherine Vincent]

84. An arrogant little idiot, isn't he?

[ContraBass Black]

85. WTF?

On behalf of all American college students, I am embarrased.

[Skittles]

90. pretty f***ing sad

I've listened to black artists my entire life and never thought anything about it. WTF?

[Dees]

98. So whites should stick to Eminem?...n/t

[Maestro]

99. Well, let's see

I can still listen to the Beastie Boys, but wait they are Jewish and I am not. Oh well, I will throw them out ASAP. I am not Hispanic so all of my Rock en español needs to take a hike. My Public Enemey needs to go too. I am not female so I need to throw out any groups with females, etc...

What a morans!!!!!!!!!!!

[notadmblnd]

100. And what should I tell my son to listen to?

he's bi-racial (or is that another thing the writer thinks whites and blacks shouldn't mix?) Should I tell him only to listen to white rappers? Tell him he can only bang his head to (who's the one guy that Lisa Bonet was married to) black heavy metal artists?

Should we not be allowed to listen to Gospel, Jazz and the Blues? Rock and Roll was derived from R&B and rap from both of those. What kind of logic goes on in peoples heads that they've convinced themselves that people should have something else that divides them in this world. Music has historically be one thing that does bring people together.


edited because I just realised there were not your feelings but anothers.

[ultraist]

159. Yes, you have pointed out...

the absurdity of this Alan Keyes wanna be's article. Ironically, the kid does make a point, whether intended or not, with regard to whites attempting to "own" the black culture.

I've seen this hit and run method before. The OP posts an article by a Republican and disappears.

[sniffa]

103. he has a point

white peopLe uncooL everything.

[sniffa]

104. he has a point

white peopLe uncooL everything.

[alcibiades_mystery]

110. true dat

all you need to hear is an E True Hollywood story in which some cracker ass cracker says "it's the bomb" and you know that term's over with. Ever see a frat boy destroy the entire oeuvre of Parliament Funkadelic, simply by dancing to it? I have.

The author is clearly being absurd in his recommendations (i.e., white people should only listen to "white music"), primarily because neither music not people fit neatly into such categories. However, if the author is commenting on the commercialization of African American cultural forms, their capacity to be lifted from the cultural conditions in which they develop and in which they hold very specific social meanings, and transferred into a general form, in which their context and social meaning is lost, devalued, debased, then he is correct. Many (not all) white boys who pimp limp it up, talkin all hard and signifyin, are simply performing a minstrel show - temporary and unconnected to anything substantive in the black cultural forms out which the pimp limp and the value of signifyin emerged. Once these forms travel, they lose their value as both a defense mechanism and point of cultural production in African American communities. On the plus side, however, these forms can attack white privilege at its base: the performance of whiteness is shown to be just that, a performance. This doesn't get you out of the problem of white dominance (which, yes, of course, continues to exert its full and terrible force), but it chips away at the foundation of the problem. So, upside and downside to the white boy shuffle, sho nuf.

[ultraist]

158. lol! BEAUTIFUL!

[noiretextatique]

179. now...this is a great post

:hi: good lord, i haven't seen you around, but WELCOME!

[Misunderestimator]

118. LOL

[shadowknows69]

105. I'm a rap lovin honky and proud of it

Not a die hard fan mind you. I couldn't quote anyone more recent than Ludacris but the rhythms and lyrical mastery of some of these artists just amaze me.

[jpgray]

107. He's going to SCSU. He was probably drunk off his ass when he wrote this

Seriously though, this article is bullshit, because everybody's culture is up for grabs--wishing for no exchanges, but rather perfect racial "purity" when it comes to cultural experiences is a Nazi-like sentiment. I realize everyone hates white people because they have the power and are favored overwhelmingly, but this is like saying black people shouldn't listen to Bach--everyone's culture is up for grabs, and if an Inuit wants to get down to the Wiemar music scene ca. the 18th century, I don't see what the fuck his race or anything else has to do with it. Wishing to keep one's racial culture "pure" just gives me the worst vibes imaginable. Share and share alike is my stance.

[newportdadde]

112. College and music.

Man I remember a few years ago it seemed like I was always living next to someone who had to play their music so fucking loud you could literally hear it 20 doors down at the end of the hall word for word.

Sometimes I would crank my own in response for a few minutes to try and send a message but no dice. My third year I developed my fan policy. This was do to the RAs who were the loud music players drunk friends ie wouldn't discipline. I slept with a big box fan about about 2 feet behind me.. it was enough to drown out most of the noise. So I thank a box fan for helping me get decent grades in school by providing sleep.

The best was my senior year, the asshole next door to me like to play 2Pac... same song over and over.... California... knows how to party blah blah... This guy actually turns it on max, and LEAVES for the weekend with the damn thing on repeat...

Great times... I say colleges need to enforce the loudness of all music in school, too much negative impacts for the kids who are *gasp* actually learn and get better then Cs.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

117. Music should be colorblind.

People should listen to whatever turns them on. Whoever wrote this should get over it.
Duckie

[Marnieworld]

120. My ears do not see color

I am white and the majority of the music I listen to is by black artists of many genres. I like the music I like the voices and I like a few rappers that have something to say or a sense of humor and a turn of phrase. Does that mean black people have to stop listening to eminem?

[rocktivity]

121. Well, why stop at music and clothes?

Black people who do NOT use urban slang sound ridiculous.

Back people who wear business suits look ridiculous.

White people who marry non-white people are being ridiculous.

Non-white people who aspire to white-collar rather thank blue-collar careers are being ridiculous.

Black people who shop at places like Saks Fifth Avenue and Nordstroms are being ridiculous.

Black people who go to college are being ridiculous. They should settle for being high school dropouts like everybody else.

Moran.

:mad:
rocknation

[ultraist]

161. huh?

College, white collar jobs, Saks & Nordstrums, & business suits are the "white culture?"

Odd way to make your point.

[Obamarama]

123. Does this mean I have to throw out my Miriam Makeba CDs?!?

All race issues pushed aside, this young man has a mighty narrow view of the world around him.

[Dharma_Bum]

147. & my Miles Davis ...??

[Donald Ian Rankin]

126. Does anyone have any evidence

That whoever wrote this article intended it to be taken seriously? It looks to me like a - very subtle, and in my view very clever - piece of liberal-baiting.

"Nor do I believe blacks should listen to alternative, heavy metal and rock music" does not sound like a serious suggestion to me.

Given the response so far, if the author is indeed making a joke, I take my hat off to him - he's judged his piece to perfection. "One ray the more, one shade the less had half impaired the nameless grace". I think he will go far.

If he really is serious, then just ignore him, but unless there's other evidence to suggest that he is I think it unlikely.

[alcibiades_mystery]

135. I suspect it is also tongue in cheek

on a lot of points.

[muriel_volestrangler]

142. This follow up a couple of days later makes it look serious

from one of the editors in the University Chronicle:

http://www.universitychronicle.com/global_user_elements/printpage.cfm?storyid=898775

[noiretextatique]

144. yep..it's serious alright

i'm surprised the national media hasn't picked on a story of such national importance. the opinion of one college student about what music people should listen to is apparently very significant to many DUers...for the life of me, i can't understand why though. :shrug: but maybe it's just me.

[noiretextatique]

145. yep..it's serious alright

i'm surprised the national media hasn't picked on a story of such national importance. the opinion of one college student about what music people should listen to is apparently very significant to many DUers...for the life of me, i can't understand why though. :shrug: but maybe it's just me.

[mcscajun]

148. Yes, it sure looks serious enough.

From the follow-up:

"Anyone with a mind so closed that they truly believe individual races have ownership over specific genres of music need some Beatles and Ray Charles in their soul."

I couldn't agree more; hell, I was listening to Ray Charles three years before the Beatles broke on these shores; I was 10.

I'd add that anyone who can't be touched by the waltzes of Johann Strauss, John Phillip Sousa marches, or the incredible harmonies of Ladysmith Black Mambazo is emotionally crippled.

[noiretextatique]

163. r u serious?

:wtf: am i thinking...two articles in a college newspaper is serious :eyes:

[mcscajun]

172. "serious" as opposed to a joke

not serious as in critical.

There are a few DOZEN more important things going on.

[noiretextatique]

173. thanks

for the clarification :7

[Tomee450]

155. Meant to outrage

"It looks to me like a - very subtle, and in my view very clever - piece of liberal-baiting."

I think the article was meant to inflame and it has succeeded here.

[ultraist]

162. Agree, this was flamebait

It's equivelant to posting a Log Cabin Republican (Gay) conservative article, hit and run style. YEEHAW! Let's lynch a Gay!

:nuke:

[Donald Ian Rankin]

189. I think there's a moral difference

between writing a piece which could reasonably be taken seriously and is genuinely outrageous, with the intention of outraging people for political reasons, and writing one which is only outrageous if people don't get the joke, *and which is sufficiently clearly not serious that anyone who takes it seriously is asking for what they get*, for the purposes of humour.

This one is borderline - it could *just about* be the work of someone who genuinely believes it, but I think the author has gone far enough towards the absurd to make it satire rather that incitation. The reason why I admire it is because it has, I think, passed that line by the smallest possible margin, and thus achieved its purpose very neatly.

It's not inconceivable that I'm wrong, and the author really did believe it and meant to be taken seriously or to stir up a serious debate, but I think it unlikely.

As politics, I agree with all the people who've said that it's not deserving of a second glance, let alone a long thread, but as humour I think it's really very clever indeed.

[sendero]

127. I can't find..

.... much in this steaming pile of a commentary I agree with.

So, I cannot be "entertained" by a war movie because I've never fought in a war? "Fashion" can only be worn by the originators? (which is funny because the droopy pants look originated in prison and was a symbol of sexual availability)

Other than the writers exercising the right to not respond to a greeting that he didn't care for, I find it hard to be sympathetic with any of his points. And since the vast majority of mainstream culture is produced by whites, he should turn off his TV and stay out of theaters to be consistent.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

131. Holy shit I am tired of this idiotic crap!

What outright racism in both directions!

[Nye Bevan]

138. But what about Vanilla Ice? (nt)

[Dharma_Bum]

149. does this mean no more Jazz also??

Now, what I don't seem to understand is why didn't this little turd bring up Miles Davis, John Coltrane, or Billie Holiday??

Are these artists not black? ...
Are these artists not enjoyed by people of ALL colors? ...

Perhaps this guy needs to get out of his dorm a little more.

There is only one color in mankind ... red, the color of all our blood!

[Spinoza]

152. I totally agree.

Also, people of color should not listen to (white) classical music. They won't get it, right?

Heavy Sarcasm Above.

[Trajan]

165. This is what happens when Gungeonites enter the regular forums ....

They expose themselves and their real political beliefs ....

You ALWAYS have the right to express your ethnocentric, racist core here at DU .... We are happy you emerged to do so .....

GOOD for you ... You are writing your own DU epitaph: one thread at a time ....

[Kingofalldems]

167. Ding Ding Ding

We have a winner! This thing was total flamebait---meant to get DUers riled up. It worked sadly.

[Sterling]

166. I don't think anyone should listen to hip hop these days

Its so bad. Nothing like what it was when it had a message. Now it's message is basically the same as Bush's. Greed is good. etc.....

[Nikia]

170. I was taught differently in college

We were encouraged to read books, view art, and listen to music of different cultures and perspectives of our own to open our minds and challenge our view points. If one does not identify with it intiailly, that means that one can learn a lot from it and should in fact indulge in it.

[ScreamingMeemie]

174. Amazing. 171 posts, and yet the OP never returned.

Of course.

[HEyHEY]

183. Why can't I meet these kinda idiots in real life?

[Chovexani]

184. I guess I need to lay off the visual kei then

Considering I look nothing like the Japanese drag queen in my avatar. Though I'll be damned if I don't try.

I'll NEVER be as fabulous as Mana! :cry:

[leftofthedial]

186. no one should listen to rap

no one already listens to hip hop

[martymar64]

187. Well, there go my Sly & the Family Stone albums

Thank you falettame be mysef agayan