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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 09:14 PM
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Lieberman gets standing ovation @ NH townhall
He's found his natural constituency: Republicans.

http://www.politicsnh.com/archives/pindell/2003/septemb...

One woman, described by Lieberman as the head of "Republicans for Lieberman," will evidently have to resign her post.

"This week I am switching my ticket," she said.

Lieberman responded, "Welcome, sister."


http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/local/state/hc-141...

Lieberman also won praise from another Republican he met, Cliff Hurst of Manchester. Hurst said he supports President Bush, but admires Lieberman's strength of character.

"To me, that's the most important thing about a candidate," Hurst said. "He seems of all the Democratic candidates the most solid in his positions."

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Amazing that the only people they quoted as supporters were Republicans. hahaha.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 09:20 PM
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1. Welcome sister, to the Republican wing of the Democratic Party
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 09:25 PM
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2. when liarman shows up
on the tv screen, he gets the same immediate reaction from me that * does -

"ewww, gross! get off my screen, you freakin creep!"
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FightinNewDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 09:37 PM
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3. Reality Check

Nice, belittle the fact that Lieberman can actually f=draw moderate Republicans and Independents into the Democratic Party. It's so much more fun to lose with 39% of "the Base"...

I was at the Lieberman town hall meeting referenced in these articles. What you failed to mention was the fact that attendees included about a dozen Democratic state legislators, the Democratic mayor of Manchester, a popular Democratic member of the Manchester school board, the executive director of the Manchester Democratic City Committee, the Vice Chairman of the New Hampshire Democratic Party, several members of the NH Young Democrats executive committee, and members of several local neighborhood advocacy groups.

But that would be letting the facts get in the way of the Democrat-bashing that you love, wouldn't it?
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 09:41 PM
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5. Oh, oh... the DLC is here. Act natural...
I don't love bashing Democrats. I love bashing pseudo-Democrats like Lieberman, Al From, Bruce Reed, et al. But they're such easy targets.
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Procopius Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 09:42 PM
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7. Lieberman isn't a "psuedo-democrat" and you know it. n/t
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FightinNewDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 09:56 PM
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14. Pathetic, isn't it?
Procopius, the sad thing is that many of the Deanieboppers are so wrapped up in their little cult that they honestly do think that the Democratic Party sprung fully formed from the head of Howard Dean back in February.

Funny, considering the fact that it is Dean who was born, raised and remained a Reublican for much of his life. It's truly rich to see the scion of a wealthy family from the Hamptons held up as the great man of the people, and the son of a storekeeper from hardscrabble Stamford, CT painted as a cartoonish monopolist!

If these people were actually involved in Democratic politics in a way that went beyond yammering on 'net message boards, they wouldn't spew such idiocies.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:05 PM
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18. Oh oh...more polemics
'wrapped up in their little cult'
'think the Democratic Party sprung...'
'yammering on 'net message boards...'

If most Democrats felt Joe represented them I guess I'd have to agree with you. Unfortunately they don't, and they think the DLC is way out of touch too.

So you can continue to congratulate yourselves for getting Bill Clinton elected, or you can listen to the voice of your own party.
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CoffeePlease1947 Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 11:21 PM
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40. "If most Democrats felt Joe represented them I guess I'd have to agree
with you"

You have to agree with him then. More people voted for Joe in 2000 that Bush or Cheney, or Clinton, or Carter, or Mondale. Now why would they vote for someone that doesn't represent them? You are slaming the choosen Vice President of the United States by Al Gore, the Democratic convention, and 49% of the United States Population. So, I think you are wrong. I don't agree with Joe on many of the issues. But I show him the respect he deserves.

Mike
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 11:34 PM
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42. That's 2000, Mike
Three years have passed. Joe Lieberman is history. Look at the polls and tell me he's not a snowball in hell.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 11:36 PM
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43. "Deanieboppers are so wrapped up in their little cult"
No dear, the only cult in here is the one that still insists that Lieberman is in the Democratic mainstream despite of all the evidence to the contrary.

Lieberman is to the right of Ronald Reagan when it comes to civil liberties and warmongering!
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Jolene Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 03:49 AM
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51. Whatcha doin' here yammering?
Seriously.
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:12 PM
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22. Right. He's not a Democrat at all.
DINO!
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 11:55 PM
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45. Sean--I agree with you on most everything
But you are wrong on that point. If you actually lookd at Project Vote Smart you would see that most of the wildest assertions about Lieberman are false.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 09:47 PM
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8. You're right
Lieberman is a dyed in the wool pseudo-Republican Democrat. A quick check of current polls will reveal who is best representing the Democratic Party, and it ain't the DLC...
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BushHasGotToGo Donating Member (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:08 PM
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20. Some people are dying for Bush to win a 2nd term here
It's fucking sickening.
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Procopius Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:14 PM
Response to Reply #20
25. Agreed.
At least Lieberman has no qualms with homosexuality or the right to choose (unlike Bush).
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wildwww2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 11:15 PM
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39. Bu$h did not win a first term. Joe did and he lost the balls stand up
against the whore press and the suckpreme court who stole what belonged to Al Gore, Joe and the American people. So Joe should just step aside. He is brave enough to war monger with other peoples childrens lifes but he cannot stand up and demand for our votes to be counted? Joe is the last canidate on my list to vote for because he is no guts and lots of baloney like the loser squatting in Al Gore`s White House.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:32 PM
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30. When Lieberman starts drawing Republicans into the Democratic Party w/o
Edited on Sun Sep-14-03 10:32 PM by w4rma
without bashing Democrats or supporting extreme right-wing Republican policy, I'll start supporting Lieberman.

Anyway, he's not drawing Republicans into the Democratic Party. Hes alienating Democrats while drawing Republicans in to support HIM. His brand of politicing won't result in a strengthend and more united Democratic Party. It will result in losses for Democratic Congressfolk.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 11:28 PM
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41. C'mon w4rma, Bush/Lieberman 2004 is the dream ticket!
I am sure that DU's Lieberman jihadists will find a way to rationalize this one.
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FightinNewDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 09:37 PM
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4. Reality Check

Nice, belittle the fact that Lieberman can actually f=draw moderate Republicans and Independents into the Democratic Party. It's so much more fun to lose with 39% of "the Base"...

I was at the Lieberman town hall meeting referenced in these articles. What you failed to mention was the fact that attendees included about a dozen Democratic state legislators, the Democratic mayor of Manchester, a popular Democratic member of the Manchester school board, the executive director of the Manchester Democratic City Committee, the Vice Chairman of the New Hampshire Democratic Party, several members of the NH Young Democrats executive committee, and members of several local neighborhood advocacy groups.

But that would be letting the facts get in the way of the Democrat-bashing that you love, wouldn't it?
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veracity Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 09:48 PM
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9. Lieberman will divide the party
He's used his trump card... the refusal of this country to approach the Road Map with any even handedness....to make Dean out to be some kind of terrorist supporter. It's his only card, and if people fall for it, so be it. Most people I know are willing to support ANY candidate running so far, EXCEPT Lieberman. He's a Repug in drag...and has the ability to raise funds, because many of the neocon money will go to him. He supports their agenda of military domination of the Gulf Region....and doesn't give a crap who has to die for them to accomplish that. Dean was absolutely right in his statement about the settlers having to withdraw from the occupied territories. That's reality. That's a fact of life. I give him credit for having the guts to say that in a national campaign. Lieberman is as into relgious fervor as Bush...and should come out of the closet and admit he's a right wing republican.
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Procopius Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 09:50 PM
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10. LMAO! A right wing republican????????
Your kidding right?
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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 09:51 PM
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12. and what you fail to mention
is the sorry state of the NH Democratic Party. The 2002 election sucked hugely, and one reason why is the NH Dem Party Leadership.
Ray Buckley's shrinkwrapped Libermanmobile is an embarassment. As long as the upper party echelon in this state continues to stay in the middle of the road, or even driving on the right - we will continue to lose every single election.
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FightinNewDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:10 PM
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21. Wrong target, MaxAnne
OK, so now Buckley's PT Cruiser is a reason not to vote for Lieberman... :eyes:

Let's review a few facts.

1. Buckley isn't a major decision-maker in the campaign. It's Peter Greenberger and Bob Quinn who handle most day-to-day matters, with heavy input from former congressman Dick Swett on big-picture issues.

2. Some of Buckley's most bitter rivals within the House Democratic caucus are supporting Lieberman, including Reps. Lori Movsesian, Betty Laskey and Peter Sullivan, all of whom opposed Buckley's re-election as Minority Whip last winter.

3. Most of the upper-level party leadership is still with Kerry, so if you have a complaint with the state of the party, look to the campaign that hired such political geniuses as Judy Reardon and Ken Robinson.


4. That silly car has actually won Lieberman a lot of positive press, and was a great prop at Old Home Days, parades, football games and the like. Oh, wait, I'm talking about normal people, not the intellectually superior folks who back "thoughtful" candidates like Dean and Kucinich.
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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:31 PM
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29. spare me the condescending
and the hyperbole. I said the car is an embarassment - and that's all I said. I don't believe I said anything about Ray's participation in Lieberman's campaign. I suggest you stop reading between unwritten lines.

Oh, wait, I'm talking about normal people, not the intellectually superior folks who back "thoughtful" candidates like Dean and Kucinich.

So if it's the intellectually superior folks who back Dean and Kucinich - what does that say about the collective intelligence of the Lieberman backers. :eyes:

I live in the land of "normal" people, here in NH. I don't know a single Lieberman supporter - and I know a fair portion of the Democrats in Carroll County.

I have plenty of complaints about party leadership - and I have made them, repeatedly. Again - as long as we imitate Republicans we will continue to lose every election.
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Woodstock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 09:52 PM
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13. Put Lieberman up there and make that 20% of the base
Edited on Sun Sep-14-03 09:53 PM by Woodstock
I can't stand the guy and I've been a Democrat since I was able to vote (that would be 20+ years.) I'm bashing Lieberman, not Democrats. I'd be INCREDIBLY disappointed in this party if they had a hand in Lieberman getting the nomination.

Better strategy would be to put someone up there who could appeal to the base and the swing voters. Dean, Kerry, ... would all do a far better job of that than Lieberman.
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FightinNewDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:01 PM
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16. Another reality check
Dean has almost no appeal to swing voters. Nominate Howie and we can kiss off Louisiana, Arkansas, West Virginia, New Hampshire, Missouri and pretty much any other swing state.

What you folks don't realize is that while Dean has a very dedicated base of support, he has also stirred up extremely negative feelings as well. Many people, including many Democrats, believe that Dean is utterly lacking in the temperament and thoughtfulness they want in a president, and find his (and his supporters) arrogance to be highly irritating.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:12 PM
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23. Republicans find Lieberman attractive
especially his petty comments about other candidates in his party. They find that kind of stuff appealing, and it may swing the significant 'petty' vote...
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FightinNewDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:17 PM
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27. Deal with it
Howard Brush Dean III spends six months badmouthing the other Demcorats in the field, lies about Kerry's and Edward's voting records, and allows his supporters to disrupt opponent's speeches with hecklers, but god forbid anybody should hit the little s.o.b. back.

Politics ain't beanbag, people. If you want to play rough, expect a few elbows in return.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 11:00 PM
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37. Can you back any of that up?
And now Dean is responsible for his supporters' actions? LOL! You must have taken grace lessons from Holy Joe himself.

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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 11:51 PM
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44. Didn't think so...
Man it's lonely in here
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:13 PM
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24. How 'bout YOUR reality check?
Given the choice between Republican like Lieberman and Bush, the people are going to vote Bush. Why vote for the clone when you can get the real thing?
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FightinNewDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:25 PM
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28. Great.
Your strategy worked just swimmingly in 1972 and 1984, didn't it?
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 12:04 AM
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46. Did yours work well in 2000?
How about in 81?

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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:32 PM
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31. Another reality check 2
Lieberman has almost no appeal to the base. Nominate Lieberman and we can kiss off Louisiana, Arkansas, West Virginia, New Hampshire, Missouri and any other state.

And don't bother with the argument "You will vote for Lieberman otherwise bush* will win a second term" which is usually the crap that gets thrown at us, because I ain't voting for Lieberman.

Nominate Lieberman and kiss goodbye to the base.
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Procopius Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:37 PM
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32. I'd vote for him and I'm a Democrat
If you won't fine. We'll just get another 4 years of Bush if you don't (if Joe gets the nom. Not talking about primaries).
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:41 PM
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33. Fine
it's another 4 years of bush* then, 'cause I ain't voting for Lieberman.
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JackDragna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 02:33 AM
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49. And you think a New England Jew is a good "swinger?"
Lieberman wouldn't get a dime's worth of support in any of the states you name. Howard Dean might not get much, but he'd sure as hell be better at galvanizing support in the midwest and "Rust Belt" than Lieberman.

I just have no use for Lieberman. Someone who's made his political career being a finger-pointing moralist isn't someone I want as the nominee for my party.
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Procopius Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 09:41 PM
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6. So he attracts moderate Republicans? Big fucking deal..
He is still better than Bush.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 09:50 PM
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11. Who Was There----------His MOTHER?
Hi, dolstein. (We want to WIN.)
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 09:59 PM
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15. Just thought it was funny that they didn't actually quote
any Democrats and there is no mention of Democratic Reps/mayors/officials present.

Now, I don't think you should be swearing at me because of the impression that I got from the two articles on Lieberman. Why don't you take it up with the authors of the articles instead of typing f words at me.

Geez, why is there so much swearing anyway.

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burr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:05 PM
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17. Joe can still do a service to Democrats and Republicans!!!
Something he's always wanted to do..right?

We need a less crowded field, and Republicans need some choices in their primary! He would be a great candidate for the Christain Coalition, he can challenge shrub on not passing enough taxcuts, and rip him for not sending enough nukes, troops, and money into Iraq. I would love seeing a Lieberman-Shrub primary debate!! :boring:
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BushHasGotToGo Donating Member (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:07 PM
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19. Anybody who opposes Republicans becoming Democrats are Republicans
This is great for the party.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:16 PM
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26. Maybe Lieberman should ask Gov Rowland R-CT to ask Republicans to
attend his Meetups. All of Lieberman's Meetups in Connecticut, his home state, were cancelled due to lack of attendence.
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Dubyawatchers Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:48 PM
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35. Liebermania Hits NH
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAZMSWILKD.html

From the last section of the article-



Democratic presidential candidate Joe Lieberman is taking his campaign right into the homes of Granite State voters.

He's launched "Operation: Liebermania" - going door-to-door in the early primary state of New Hampshire. Kathleen Timbas of Concord had her questions about health care and the environment ready to go by the time the Connecticut senator landed on her doorstep on Sunday.

"I found it helpful," said Timbas, a financial analyst who favors one of Lieberman's rivals, former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean.

The latest poll of New Hampshire Democrats has Lieberman tied with Rep. Dick Gephardt at 7 percent, a distant third behind Dean and Sen. John Kerry.




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nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:47 PM
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34. Standing O? Oh, I get it...
They had to stand up so they could leave.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:59 PM
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36. Hey, some of us aren't into this in-fighting; It's about what a candidate
says to us. How come, with all of his backing, Joe Lieberman has communicated little or nothing, other than he thinks the war is the right thing?

There are so many issues to talk to us about. Stuff he could say that people are concerned about . . . .

Nothing.

What's up with that?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 11:02 PM
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38. Certainly not my choice for nominee.
But if he wins the nomination, I'll support him....after all I'm voting ABB.
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Adjoran Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 12:09 AM
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47. Wait a minute!
This stuff really needs to stop.

"IF so and so wins the nomination, I'm staying home. Let Bush win, I don't care. I don't care about the party, I don't care about the country, I'm staying home."

Yeah, that's productive and helpful, all right.

Think about it for a minute. Lieberman has about 10% nationally, maybe a bit more. If those 10% of Democrats tune in to what is being said here, is it unreasonable for them to say, "Oh yeah? Well if your guy wins, then I'M staying home!"

This election is going to be close, just as close as the last one. So if you are willing to go ahead and blow off Democrats with whom you disagree, you may as well send a check to Dubya for his 2nd Inaugural Ball, because we can't afford to lose ANYBODY.

Politics isn't some utopian fantasy, it's the real world. We don't always get what we want. People need to grow up and face the fact that they NEED to support the nominee, not just if they "like" him and his positions. If Lieberman or anybody else wins a majority of delegates, that means they have the support of the party. If you support the party, you will support the nominee. Or you support Bush.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 02:05 AM
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48. The Big Dog gave a great speech at the Harken Steak Fry and he

talked about people "falling in love" with their candidate. That's what Democrats typically do. Republicans don't expect to fall in love with a candidate, but they always fall in line to vote for their nominee.

Bill went on to say that we all can fall in love during the primaries but after the nominee is selected we need to fall in line and take back the White House.


And as Harry Truman said, "Always vote for the best man. He will be the Democrat."


I don't want to vote for Joe Lieberman. I don't want to vote for Howard Dean.
But if I don't vote for the Democrat in November 2004, I'm voting for Bush*.
And if YOU don't vote for the Democrat in November 2004, YOU'RE voting for Bush*.

Unless you know you can leave this country soon after the election, I don't think it's a smart risk to take.

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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 05:59 AM
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52. I can only hope you are doing something to confront Computerized Voting
Otherwise, heck vote for Bush as if it means a DAMN.

Computerized voting, as we are beginning to realize from 2002 and in Texas recently, allows fraud to flourish without any way to prove the fraud. How will we ever be able to prove those elections were indeed valid? We won't, because there is NO TANGIBLE PROOF from which we can even begin to track. This is the beginning of a Soviet-type government if there is no tangible way to track a vote. If we cant prove the vote ocurred, what power do we have as American citizens? We have to make this issue known to all Americans.

There is NO way to verify a valid election WITHOUT a way to track it. Without any tangible proof, elections are left only to faith and ultimately denial. Does that make you feel confident when you punch or click the button???

Democracy demands citizens participation. If not, Democracy is dead.
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Shanty Oilish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 02:49 AM
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50. R's for Lieberman. You had to know THAT would happen.
Maybe he can serve us well after all.
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