Please post your thoughts about Jerry Falwell here

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

This thread is for DU'ers who feel no obligation to pray for a person who has advocated hatred for so many, and who are not motivated by guilt to prove that they are better than freepers.

Personally, I think the timing is ironic given that he compared himself to Terri Schiavo.

I didn't notice any "Pray for Bill KLINTOON's speedy recovery" threads on any conservative sites and I feel no onbligation to pray to prolong a life of a man who blamed 9/11 on people he has espoused hatred for.

Mr Falwell is a man of faith. Nothing tests one's faith like confronting their own mortality.

[Walt Starr]

1. He's a Radical Cleric

whose rhetoric incites terrorists.

[BlueEyedSon]

9. No, he's just a wiley capitalist like P T Barnum.

[ronnykmarshall]

2. Sing with me! Join hands and SING!!!

Ding Dong! The Witch is dead. Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch!
Ding Dong! The Wicked Witch is dead.

Wake up - sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the Wicked Witch is dead.

She's gone where the goblins go,
Below - below - below. Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out.

Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.

Let them know The Wicked Witch is dead!

[mike_c]

3. " ...."

My thoughts about Jerry Falwell.

[DemoTex]

4. Go to the light, Jerry ...

The light of hell-fire!

[Elidor]

12. LOL!

There's a special corner of hell waiting for Jerry.

Sow the wind, reap the fucking whirlwind, Jerry. I'd piss on your forthcoming grave, but it isn't worth the effort to get there.

[Rick Myers]

29. Amen!

See ya' in Hell, Jerry!!!

[Cleita]

5. Well, when he goes to meet his Maker, do you think

he will be greeted in the light at the end of the tunnel by angels, who look remarkably like Tinky Winky and Spongebob Squarepants?

[libhill]

6. He may be in for a shock

When he meets the devil, and it may be sooner than he thinks.

[demnan]

7. Falwell is typical

of a type of Virginian Baptist of which we unfortunately have too many: Racist, ignorant, piggish, judgemental, spiteful, narrow-minded, cunning and opportunistic.

One less of these in my state would not pain me.

[BurtWorm]

8. I'd rather not waste my beautiful mind thinking about such things.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

11. Babs! Is that you???

[BurtWorm]

15. Falwell is a rhymes with "other shucker"

[UdoKier]

10. To hell with Falwell.

If he didn't comprehend his own mortality by now, he never will.

He is evil and always will be. Too bad there seems to be an endless parade of religious con men always waiting in the wings to replace people like him.

[libhill]

32. The only Evangelist

I could ever tolerate was Billy Graham - he's annoying, but I always felt that he was at least sincere. And I'm not putting Protestants down, so don't get defensive. I've been on both sides of the rope - born/raised Catholic, turned Baptist, now neither (agnostic).

[LeftyMom]

13. I'd love to be a fly on the wall when he's ready to meet God

and She pimpslaps the miserable turd.

[libhill]

35. LOL

Can I watch, can I watch, huh, can I can I please?

[0007]

14. My thoughts are of a man that cared more for him than the poor

and the hungry.


Now Jerry Falwell knows he can't walk on water.

[jonnyblitz]

16. is that piece of shit dead yet?

signed jonnyblitz , douchebag atheist (please pray for me i am a lost sheep)

[Texasgal]

33. *snicker...

heh heh.. your so bad!

[libhill]

37. I'll pray fer ya

for a 1,000 dollar donation fer the Lards House. I must continue my pray for pay, uh, I mean my ministry.

[spinbaby]

17. From a friend

I have a friend who, years ago, worked at a major bookstore where Jerry Falwell was to make an appearance. She's not a religious person at all but came away from the event saying that this was the most charismatic person she'd ever seen. She said he seemed to draw people to himself and that, when he was done speaking, she found herself agreeing with him. She said it was like a spell had been cast.

[bleedingheart]

21. I have heard that said of many types of con-artists

the kinds of fellows that marry elderly widows and then defraud them of their money...

I personally have known a lot of charming but evil people...

[libhill]

39. Jim Jones

was charismatic - and he conned hundreds of innocent people into killing themselves. Fuck Fallwell and all of his ilk.

[skypilot]

18. Falwell had a heart attack?

The lesbians did it. And the gays. And the abortionists. And the pagans. And the...

[libhill]

42. Wrong again

it was Clinton's fault -I saw him do it, I got 10,000 feet of video tape.

[skypilot]

46. The Clintons were the next...

..."And the..."

[salin]

19. Ironic twist

given his reported sermon content on Easter.

Kind of a twist on the old margerine ad about it not being a good idea to fool (or taunt) Mother Nature.

At the least I hope he learns that daring and taunting He he purports to Worship and all that He he purports to worship has created... is not a good idea.

[Az]

20. Of course they never prayed for Clinton

They have no sense of connectivity to humanity. They are every man for himself. They are part of the mindset trying to turn this nation of people into a nation of heartless corporations. Clinton stands in their way.

You don't have to mourn Falwell's passing. But by the same token rejoicing at his passing serves us negatively. Lets just apply some critical thought.

We are trying to win the hearts and minds of people in this nation. Not all people are on the same page with us currently. Many (25%-50%) currently lean to the right. Many of them look to people such as Falwell as a voice of wisdom. If not wisdom then many just see him as a man with a podium. They do not see the threat he represents as we do.

So if he falls and we dance for joy it just drives them further away from us. It disgusts them. This makes it increasingly difficult to reach them with our arguments and positions. This divides us all the more.

To change this nation we are going to have to convince some on the right that our case makes sense. If they are disgusted with our behaviour and antics over this case then we will never reach them.

To this end we have to be better than them. To overwhelm anothers positions it is often necissary to approach them from a higher moral ground. This creates a sense of inadequacy in their stance and a sense that they may have to alter their position. This is exactly what we want. Thus it is in our interest to do the right thing in high profile matters such as a leader of the right falling ill or dying.

[libhill]

44. Down deep

somewhere, I suppose I know that you are right. Unfortunately, I'm fed up to my nose with these smug, self righteous wing nuts, and I can't find it in my heart to have any sympathy for any of them. If Mr. Clinton had passed away during his recent surgery, do you honestly think they'd have shed any tears, or displayed any sympathy for him, or his family, or us? I think not. Fuck Falwell, fuck the Right.

[kweerwolf]

22. Jerry started his "career" ...

... preaching against the evils of segregation. Yet he later recanted his racist past and said he misunderstood God's instructions.

It's a shame he won't be around long enough to recant his bigotry against gays and lesbians. Although it would be ironic if God kept Jerry around long enough in a quadrapeligic state ... conscious of the world around him, but unable to interact with it in any way ... that he could see "the gay agenda" progress to a point where couples were having marriage ceremonies performed in his hospital room (and maybe consumating their vows in the next bed!).

Nah ... that's cruel. I wouldn't even wish such an experience on my worst enemy. But it would be a fittingly ironic fate for Jerry.

[kweerwolf]

23. Jerry started his "career" ...

... preaching against the evils of segregation. Yet he later recanted his racist past and said he misunderstood God's instructions.

It's a shame he won't be around long enough to recant his bigotry against gays and lesbians. Although it would be ironic if God kept Jerry around long enough in a quadrapeligic state ... conscious of the world around him, but unable to interact with it in any way ... that he could see "the gay agenda" progress to a point where couples were having marriage ceremonies performed in his hospital room (and maybe consumating their vows in the next bed!).

Nah ... that's cruel. I wouldn't even wish such an experience on my worst enemy. But it would be a fittingly ironic fate for Jerry.

[kweerwolf]

24. Oops ... sorry for the double post! n/t

[lala_rawraw]

25. I did not think...

We needed a seperate post, but thank you. I have no sympathy for this person and I will pray for the victims of his greed driven life, not for him.

[merh]

26. I don't live my life in the fundies or freepers shadow or by their

example. Just because they don't pray for me or the people I consider world leaders and important, doesn't make it right for me not to pray for them or their leaders.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Not do as others do.
We have to pray for our enemies, idealogically he is an enemy of mine, but I will pray for him and his followers.

[goodboy]

27. I changed my mind: I hope he rots in Hell.

[WilliamPitt]

28. I wrote this for Jerry a few days after 9/11

The American Taliban
by William Rivers Pitt
9/14/01

"What is objectionable, what is dangerous, about extremists is not that they are extreme, but that they are intolerant. The evil is not what they say about their cause, but what they say about their opponents."

- Robert Kennedy

Amidst the dust and ruin, amidst the pain and woe, amidst the remarkable unity that is being demonstrated by Americans everywhere, there lurks a vein of hatred and evil that is nearly beyond description.

Some Americans today are leveling fingers of blame towards homosexuals, towards liberals, towards the ACLU, towards those who protect and defend a woman's legal right to reproductive freedom. That anyone would seek to smear fellow American citizens with blame for the atrocities that have been visited upon us is wretched enough to make any decent human being physically ill. That those who do this are denouncing our fellow citizens in the name of God is the definition of evil, and is the same kind of hate that drove those airplanes like a dagger into the heart of our nation. I am ashamed to be an American today because of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.

This is what Mr. Falwell had to say on Robertson's nationally broadcast television show, 'The 700 Club':

"The ACLU's got to take a lot of blame for this...throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle...all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen.'"

There were more Americans killed on Tuesday than in the attacks on Pear Harbor and the invasions on D Day and Iwo Jima combined, if the estimates prove to be true. There were more Americans killed on Tuesday than in a year's worth of fighting during the Vietnam War. America has taken a mighty blow, yet we still stand strong. We are pulling together as best we can. So much greatness has been demonstrated by our firefighters, police, medical professionals, rescue workers and ordinary citizens who queue up to give blood, because it is the best thing they can do. Yet, here is a religious bigot who has the unmitigated gall to lay blame upon some of our citizens because he does not agree with the way they live. He does this in the name of his vicious, hateful, bloody God. His God is not my God. His America is not my America.

Mr. Falwell should take that finger of blame and turn it towards his own miserable face. Religious and cultural zealotry and intolerance - on both sides - lies at the root of this disaster. No worse fate could ever befall America than to have it to come under the sway of demagogues like Jerry Falwell.

Gay? To the wall.

Pro-choice? To the wall.

ACLU, defender of the Constitution? To the wall.

Not Christian? To the rack, and then the wall.

Support any of the above, or believe those citizens who support the above have the right to do so? To the wall.

Jerry Falwell has done a grave injury to millions of American citizens with his words. The First Amendment of the Constitution allows him to do so, allows him to advocate the destruction of the very rights that protect his hate and evil. Nevertheless, he must be punished for this.

I denounce Jerry Falwell and his lapdog, Pat Robertson. I say they are the worst form of low and awful wretchedness that has ever drawn breath. I say that God would spit in their faces if She could even be bothered to pay attention to such nonsense.

I say, as an American, that these men do not represent the country I love and would die for. They are a cancer on the soul of our country, and they should be treated as such.

I renounce any ties and fealty to the Christian religion as of today, until such time as I can be sure that bastards like Falwell do not and can not purport to carry the Cross. As a lifelong Catholic, this is no small matter for me. I dissent, and my God will understand why.

I say to my homosexual brothers and sisters, to those who are not Christian, to those who support the legal right of reproductive choice, that I am with you. Jerry Falwell and his band of filth will have to get through me in order to get to you.

To Mr. Bush, I demand that you denounce these people as well. Once upon a time you gave your soul to Jesus in the presence of Falwell. I demand that you lay him low, in the name of national unity and love. Be a leader, Mr. Bush. Be a leader of all of us.

To the world, I offer a plea: ignore these villains. They are not us. We will deal with them the way they should be dealt with. Religious extremism of any sort is the most dangerous threat in the world right now. That this breed of the Taliban are American makes them all the more so.

Mr. Falwell, you will burn in hell for your words. God sees you, and is not pleased. Neither am I.

[Mari333]

31. amen n/t

[charlie]

30. Why do it the hard way, Jerry?

Rapture's coming. Any minute now. You're gonna miss it. Put in a call to Hinn, Angeley, Tilden, Robertson... hell, you've got a whole clutch of miracle workers to choose from. They've have you up and sandbagging homos again in no time, good as new. Right Jerry? Right?

[RetroLounge]

34. I wish him the same I wished for Reagan

RL

[underseasurveyor]

36. Thoughts? I'm so sad.

Mmm, note to self: Poker-face needs more work

[Kathy in Cambridge]

38. I wouldn't pray for Hitler, Stalin, or Osama Bin Laden

I won't pray for anyone that has advocated violence, evil, aand hatred as values.

May he rot in hell.

[Deja Q]

40. DO UNTO OTHERS AS THEY'VE ALREADY DONE UNTO YOU.

That's all I need to have to say. Do nice to them and they'll do nice back.

Falwell was not nice. He doesn't need anything from me, even if I had the miracle cure.

[JanMichael]

41. Is he sick?

Hadn't heard anything about Falwell.

What a jackass; well...if he's sick, I hope he gets well soon--isn't he Jerry Lee Lewis' cousin? And Mickey Gilley? Or is that someone else?

I think I am going to go listen to "Great Balls of Fire" before I go to work---

Stephanie

[Zenlitened]

43. Thank you. I completely agree.

I can see a post saying "let's not be mean-spirited." But to actually call for prayers for someone who would destroy us all if he could strikes me as entirely inappropriate. It's repugnant.

[killbotfactory]

45. If he was born in the middle east

He'd be an agent for Osama Bin Laden

Screw that idiot.

[SemperEadem]

47. I hope God is tossing him well right now

which ever side Falwell decides to capitulate to now, I hope God is laying out some truth to his ass about what He actually said.

[Ganja Ninja]

48. The man called me and everyone else here murders.

He often predicted we would burn in hell for being liberals. Now he's in the hospital and may die.

[Beaverhausen]

49. I hope he enjoys his time in HELL

His immoral, intolerant, hateful ways will come back in the final judgement.

[Loki]

50. Mr. Falwell

You now know that you will reap what you have sown. I know that God will show you his love, mercy and compassion - for you have surely failed to practice these virtues in this life. As for my prayers Mr. Falwell, I will pray for those whose lives have been harmed by your hatred and bigotry. And as for you, all I have left is my pity.