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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:20 PM
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Arnold ripped off California homeowners as a construction worker?
Part of a blog on the Slate Magazine website
http://slate.msn.com/id/2088021 /

<snip>
From Slate Magazine
by Mickey Klaus

Wednesday, September 10, 2003

******KF Global Exclusive******Arnold's Home Repairs:

Tonight on kausfiles ... Home Repair Ripoffs, and How to Avoid Them!

Rule #1: Don't hire Arnold Schwarzenegger! ... Kf's crack investigative unit has been on alert to bring you the Arnold scandals (and semi-scandals!) that the LAT's John Carroll and the tabloids' David Pecker find too interesting to print. Today, the unit traveled all the way to Beverly Hills' Museum of Television and Radio. The purpose? To find and view the much-rumored-about episode of the Tonight Show in which young bodybuilder/actor Schwarzenegger tells Johnny Carson how he ripped off Southern California homeowners in his day job as a construction worker. Thanks to a helpful e-mailing source, I had what I thought was the right show date. Thanks to a helpful librarian (and the facility's quite impressive set-up), I was viewing the episode in question within fifteen minutes of parking my car.

Upshot: It's not as bad as I'd heard. But it's not good.

Here's what the tape shows: It's 1981. Schwarzenegger's Conan the Barbarian is about to come out, and he has a fitness book to sell. He entertains Carson with the story of how he and a bodybuilder friend, whom I'll call XXXXXX, got "lucky" when there was an earthquake in L.A. in the early 1970s. Schwarzenegger says he and XXXXXX immediately advertised in the L.A. Times as "European special bricklayers." XXXXXX actually knew how to lay bricks, Schwarzenegger says, but he didn't. Schwarzenegger says his job was to come up with an "estimate" and negotiate the price with the homeowner. He continues:

SCHWARZENEGGER: In the meantime, XXXXXX climbed up on the roof to check the chimney--and he, of course, is a very strong guy and a lifter--he pushed all the chimneys over so they fell down. So these people come and say 'Oh thank you so much for helping us. This could have fallen on somebody's head, you know. Thank you for doing it for us.

CARSON: What a racket. You go and push chimneys down and then rebuild them.

SCHWARZENEGGER: Exactly. ...

"So we had a business going very successfully for a year," Schwarzenegger concludes.

It's lucky a lot of California voters aren't paranoid, self-pitying homeowners! ... As a non-homeowner, I would put this in the revealing-but-not-fatal scandal category. It does seem to reflect a Schwarzenegger habit of seeing other people as marks. But you, the reader, make the call. ... I suppose Schwarzenegger 1) could say he was just coming up with another "ludicrous" and "outrageous" story to promote a film. Or 2) he could say XXXXXX was just giving the chimneys a severe European stress test to see if they had been structurally damaged by the quake. That's not Carson's interpretation, though. ...

Schwarzenegger campaign response: In fact, when contacted by kausfiles, Schwarzenegger campaign spokesperson Rob Stutzman immediately offered Explanation #1, saying "the nature of these shows is you go on and joke around," and noting that there is "no evidence that any truth to it." (Just his candidate's say-so!) According to Stutzman, it

"sounds like Arnold joking around with Johnny Carson. I'd chalk it up to schtick."

Efforts to reach XXXXXX were unsuccessful, which is why, in a surfeit of caution, I've left his name out for now. (Schwarzenegger did not leave the name out when he talked about him on national television.) XXXXXX--if you are reading this, I've left my number on your work answering machine (I can't find your home phone). Or you can email me at Mickey_Kaus@msn.com . I would love to hear your side of Arnold's story. ...<snip>
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:23 PM
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1. Thank you arnie! That's a good example of the way I view ya!
Unfrikin'believeable!
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:27 PM
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2. Wait a minute...I know he and XXXXXX are Conan types ...
but pushing over a chimney?!

It sounds a wee bit hyperbolic to me...
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Fla_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 03:16 PM
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10. and how.
If a person could walk up to one while on the roof, and push it over, Mr. Olympia or not, it was in poor shape to begin with.

However, I do know a mason that threatened to "put a lien" on a chimney, once.

The home owner said.. "Go ahead, I don't care."

The mason grabbed a rope and a ladder from his truck, and started for the roof.

Homeowner asked... "What do you think you're fixin to do?"

Mason said..."You don't understand. I'm going to tie the rope to the chimney, tie the other end to my truck, and 'lean' this S.O.B. all the way to the ground."

Homeowner asked..."Will you take a check?"

"No, but I'll stay here till you go get cash."

True story.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:33 PM
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3. "You go and push chimneys down and then rebuild them."
the mindset sounds valid ... it's the Bu$h-SneerCheney energy-economy-foreign policy - 'cept the chimneys are countries and people do get killed by the falling bricks
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:43 PM
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5. Exactly! And that should so be brought to Everyone's attention!
Especially in Calif...This is Huge!
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JackSwift Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:43 PM
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4. So he commits construction fraud
and is proud of it? Sorry, I don't care if it is a joke, the guy is scum. Rapist, con artist, does it end?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:45 PM
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6. Besides "xxxxxx" remembering...there might be some "homeowners"
who could remember that, too! I know I would!
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:47 PM
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7. FRAUD : The Republican Way
The ends justify the means mentality ... :eyes:
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 03:02 PM
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8. add this to his visa violations

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/67...

Records: Schwarzenegger violated visa

BY DION NISSENBAUM
San Jose Mercury News

SACRAMENTO, Calif. - Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger has denounced illegal immigration in his bid to become California's next governor, but the Austrian native may have stretched the bounds of United States law to secure his own ticket to America in the 1960s.

As a 21-year-old bodybuilder, Schwarzenegger came to the United States in 1968 on a B-1 visa, which allows visiting athletes to compete and train, but bars them from drawing a salary from an American company.

But in his 1977 autobiography, Schwarzenegger said he reached a deal with a legendary figure in the bodybuilding industry "to pay me a weekly salary in exchange for my information and being able to use photographs of me in his magazine."

That arrangement, said a half dozen immigration attorneys across the nation, appears to have violated the terms of his visa.

-continued-
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 03:22 PM
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12. So many things coming up about Arnold's character.
If anything they show him to be a liar who has little regard for legalities. How can he as Governor enact laws if he can't even respect them.

I think this deserves it's own post by the way.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 03:22 PM
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13. wasn't there something about zone violations
and perhaps minor tax violations on some properties that he owns (in Santa Monica?). Arnie just doesn't like to play by the rules.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 03:14 PM
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9. EXACTLY what Halliburton, Bectel, etc, are doing in Iraq right now!!!
typical repubes...
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 03:21 PM
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11. Again with the personal attacks? Can't talk issues?
Poor arnie can't get a break here from you liberals! When it's not the Nazi father and the US English membership it's the women abose or the non-payment of license taxes! And after we just established that this is not relevant at all, here comes fraud! Why can't you debate issues with him? Ah, yeah - Arnie don't do debates!
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 03:23 PM
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14. nor does he speak in specifics about issues
:shrug:
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 03:24 PM
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15. LOL
The laundry list of dirty linen in Arnold's closet is certainly growing.
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Melsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 03:52 PM
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16. This is pathetic
he is reduced to: vote for me, I am a movie star
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 04:53 PM
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17. Shameless kick.
For those who haven't seen the latest.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 05:45 PM
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18. Hopefully this will be run in some TV ads
If he was a Democrat, it would be a headline story in all the media.

He's a Republican, so the only way people will know is probably if the Democrats buy advertising.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 05:49 PM
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19. What a total a-hole! A perfect Repuke though.
Proud of his "working" his way to the top of the economic food chain by fucking people over.

Beautiful.
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