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Enraged American Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:02 PM
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When's Clark announcing?
Well? Do you think he has any chance in the Iowa and NH primaries?
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blessedleader Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:06 PM
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1. wed?
The lady at the Draft Clark table at the Steak Fry said they heard Wed. might be the magic day.
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_NorCal_D_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:39 PM
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7. Yes,
I'm almost certain that Clark will announce this Wednesday.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:06 PM
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2. All eyes on Little Rock
Edited on Sun Sep-14-03 01:07 PM by VolcanoJen
Per Clark's comments in Knoxville yesterday:

http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/local_news/article/0,1406,K...

Sounding like a candidate, he said without hesitation, "I think I have a tremendous amount to offer this country, a lifetime of public service and leadership."

<snip>

Clark, whose calendar includes a speech in Iowa late next week, said he will announce his intentions within "the next few days probably," most likely in his home state of Arkansas.

"It just seemed to me if I was going to go to Iowa, I probably ought to know what I was doing before I went there," he said.


Also, this interesting quip from Salon's version of events last night in Knoxville:

http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2003/09/14/clark/index.h...

"Now I haven't made up my mind whether I am going to run," Clark, in shirt sleeves, told the crowd. "But I have my jacket off. And you can figure this out."
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:11 PM
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3. Oh E A
I left you a post about trade policy yesterday....did you read it?
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TakebackAmerica Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:16 PM
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4. September 17
At Clark's High School in Little Rock.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:36 PM
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6. Anyone know
what time this speech is? I need to tape it if it happens when I am working.

MzPip
:dem:
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:46 PM
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10. Little Rock High School?!??
Which high school? Sez who? Feed the info to the hungry Clark-watchers out here, would you?

Kindly submitted,
Jennifer :-)
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:01 PM
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12. he went to Hall High but ...
I haven't heard anything about that.
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Enraged American Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:19 PM
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5. No.
Where is the post?
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:43 PM
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8. Where?
Yesterday you started a Clark thread and asked specifically about "trade policy."

Here:

In his interview with NPR (one hour) and various bits and pieces from other speeches, I detect many of Benjamin Barber's (Jihad vs Mc World) ideas woven into his over all vision of world trade. Clark does not see us closing our borders, which he correctly assumes would only put us further at odds with the rest of world and highten world tensions. He speaks, as Barber does, of a need for policy that addresses the questions of the environment etc.while at the same time keeping our windows open (Clark's term) At the present time we really have no coherent policy especially a pro-people one.

Actually, again along with Barber, Clark sees this all of one piece--the three strengths of America: the economy, the people, and the military. Of the three he believes the military, while important, plays the less vital role of America's place in the world. He goes so far as saying that for every dollar we spend on the military we should be spending an equal amount developing the schools, the hospitals, the infrastructure and cultural centers of developing countries. With our considerable leverage, building human rights and better conditions in those nations will both increase "fair" trade and promote a more secure world. (shades of Clinton---but that should come as no surprise because Barber and Clinton also share ideas)

Clark states that there are several mechanisms that currently exist which would actually make some change in the status quo immediately, however, they are not being funded and of course if we lose this election they will not be funded. Or we win this election but with such a weak candidate that they will be bullied by the VRW and unable to make progress. Holding the line as we did in many respects during the Clinton years, will not make the world a better place.

Muti-nationals exist; what doesn't exist is the laws and restrictions that favor people and the environment they live in. The US has the leverage to build the necessary world institutions to change our current direction. Two things are lacking: a vision and someone who wants to make that happen. BTW, this is not a one year process...this is a long haul that will take many years. For everyday that we live with the evil in the White House, we have wasted another day and in some respects made it a harder fix because the problem is growing worse. (Clark NPR paraphrase)

So I support Clark because of his vision which includes many strands but must be looked at as the whole cloth that blankets our future. Unfortunately, I am afraid the Democratic Party does not want to win...and I mean win big, because big is what it will take to shut down and shut up the right. Afterall, finding out Clark's views are not as difficult as ousting a regime that will draw no lines when it comes to holding on to power.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:45 PM
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9. PS
Thanks for the heads up on "Little Rock High"
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Enraged American Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:55 PM
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11. That doesn't sit well with me.
One of the big problems I have with Dean is that he pussyfoots on trade (Edwards is the most balanced of the electable Democrats, in my opinion). Clark doesn't seem to be any better. Why all the big deal about the environmental aspect of free trade? There's more at stake than the environment. How about domestic manufacturing, jobs, opportunities for people who don't have an education to do white-collar work, and currency issues? This environment crap is starting to get on my nerves; it's nice for the college students to talk about environment this and environment that. I DON'T CARE IF INDONESIA HAS ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS STRINGENT ENOUGH TO MAKE FRANCE LOOK LIKE A TOXIC WASTELAND! What I care about is job security for Americans and the financial security of those companies which rely on American labor.

The ONLY thing that I like about Clark is that he's electable. Other than that, nothing. He has no platform or anything. I don't even know how he's going to raise money since he's not an established politician.

Oh and about his being a general: his nomination will basically mean that we Democrats are trying to take advantage of the climate of fear in America.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:04 PM
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13. I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding on this subject.
The environmental concerns, while no doubt good for the environment, are primarily a concern because without them, additional incentive to moving jobs offshore due to the expense of complying with American environmental regulations is accrued. That is why the environmental concerns are so important.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:04 PM
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14. Obviously, he'll have a platform when he announces!
Geez, the instant gratification people here require!

He'll be able to raise money. That is a no brainer, really it is.
Steven Spielberg just had a luncheon for him, and Spielberg doesn't exactly hang with welfare recipients. He's not some kind of moron who's going to try to run a campaign on 5 cents.

I expect that will all be borne out in the weeks to come, for the DUers who are SO 'concerned' about Clark's ability to do this that and the other thing...
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:10 PM
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15. Ah?
Have you read "Jihad vs McWorld" ? Also, notice that one of three strengths of America is the people. In several of his speeches, Clark has advocated for exactly what you are talking about: be all that you can be. Oh, and his writing pre-dates any draft movement and is basically free from his political life which until recently didn't exist.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:51 PM
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16. The full employment law
Edited on Sun Sep-14-03 02:56 PM by Donna Zen
...has the mechanisms to kick in right now if they were funded. I didn't know that until I listened to Clark. Also, PB is exactly correct, and it is not only the environment. Clark said that it costs as much to hire an East German engineer as it does to pay the health insurance for an American one. All of this is intertwined. Safe working conditions and child labor laws and a forty hour work week do not exist in the countries sucking up our jobs. Do you think we should aim for the lowest common denominator? Could someone in this country live on the average $800 a year wages of China?

I do not shop at Walmarticus...Trust me, I get it.

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