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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:16 PM
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My 9/11 speech on PNAC to the New York City Symposium
Edited on Sun Sep-14-03 01:24 PM by WilliamPitt
9/12/03

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It is an honor beyond words to stand before the people of this great and noble and brave city to speak on issues of such importance. Thank you for having me, New York. You are the definition of greatness.

You are also the definition of America, and that, in the end, is the reason I have come here to tell you what I have to tell you. That is my other point, my main point. You are the definition of America, plurality writ large, brave and brassy and strong and free. The differences between you and the men and women within this Bush administration could not be larger or more profound, and that is the wretched irony of it all. Two years ago, you became the test case for this administration, victims of an ideology that has absolutely nothing to do with the definition of America. Your pain became their excuse. Your woe became their cover. Your fear, and the fear shared by all of your fellow Americans, became a sharp weapon that was used deliberately and viciously against you, and against all of us. That is why I am here, and I want to thank you again for having me.

Before I begin to explain all that, Id like to share with you the words of a man whom, it would seem, has a potentially brilliant career as a prognosticator and fortune teller ahead of him. Feast upon this:

Trying to eliminate Saddam, extending the ground war into an occupation of Iraq, would have violated our guideline about not changing objectives in midstream, engaging in mission creep, and would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible. We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. The coalition would instantly have collapsed, the Arabs deserting it in anger and other allies pulling out as well. Under those circumstances, there was no viable exit strategy we could see, violating another of our principles. Furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-Cold War world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It would have been a dramatically different--and perhaps barren--outcome.

Who said that? George Herbert Walker Bush said that, in a 1998 book entitled A World Transformed.

Someone once said the apple never falls far from the tree. In the matter of George Herbert Walker Bush and his son George W., and on the matter of invading and occupying Iraq, it appears the apple fell, rolled, got picked up, pocketed, carried, and then thrown into a sewage tank. Something clearly got lost in the translation here. What happened?

Ill tell you what happened. The Project for a New American Century happened.

What is the Project for a New American Century? It is a Washington-based right-wing think tank formed in 1997 by members of another Washington-based think tank that is basically the godfather of right-wing think tanks, called the American Enterprise Institute. The Project for a New American Century, or PNAC (or panic), describes its mission thusly on its web page, newamericancentury.org. The following is some lines from PNACs Statement of Principles, dated June 3 1997:

As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's preeminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests? We are in danger of squandering the opportunity and failing the challenge. We seem to have forgotten the essential elements of the Reagan Administration's success: a military that is strong and ready to meet both present and future challenges; a foreign policy that boldly and purposefully promotes American principles abroad; and national leadership that accepts the United States' global responsibilities. We need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

There are a number of names signed at the bottom of this Statement of Principles, but we will get to those in a moment. On the surface, this statement basically sounds like your standard boilerplate Ronald-Reagan-Is-God stuff, right? More hawkish than some might feel comfortable with, perhaps, but nothing to send the world spiraling off its axis. Right?

Wrong.

The Project for a New American Century was formed with a number of specific purposes in mind. The first, and foremost, was to fundamentally reorganize the foreign policy standards of the United States, to change forever the way America deals with the world. The first step in doing this, according to PNAC, was to attack, invade and take over the nation of Iraq. This plan was codified in a scolding letter sent to President Clinton in 1998 which chastised him for not rolling tanks on Baghdad. The next step in the process, according to PNAC, was to invade and take out friendly and unfriendly regimes alike in the Middle East, thus Westernizing the region through warfare and bringing our values to them.

Implicit within this plan is the PNAC idea that open warfare and wholesale regime-change in the Middle East is all part of Defending Israel. Unfortunately, the most common thing to see within the progressive community today is two people who agree on 99% of the issues screaming in fury at each other. 99% of the time, that screaming happens because of the fundamental differences between supporters of Israel and supporters of Palestine. This is the rift within the progressive community, and it is a mile wide, and PNAC falls right in the center of it.

Now, there are 100 sides to these arguments and these issues. I am not here to stand and espouse for one side or the other, beyond this: It is flat insanity to claim that theater-wide warfare and destabilization will do anything but make Israel less safe, and by proxy will cause further suffering and death within the Palestinian community. These are things we have to be able to talk about. We cannot discuss the Bush administration without discussing PNAC. We cannot discuss PNAC without discussing Israel and Palestine. If we cannot discuss Israel and Palestine without shredding each other, we will never be able to address this profound problem.

The PNAC plan was codified in the passage by the Gingrich-controlled Congress of the Iraqi Liberation Act in 1998, an act that made regime change in Iraq a matter of American law. The letter sent to Clinton in 1998, and the strident advocacy for the passage of the Iraqi Liberation Act, both bore the same signatures and fingerprints of the men and women who signed the PNAC Statement of Principles.

The Project for a New American Century came out with a defense review in September of 2000 entitled Rebuilding Americas Defenses. This is their flagship document, their reason for existing, and represents the essence of their ideology. It makes for some very interesting reading. This is the document which outlines that revolution in American foreign policy and global military presence I mentioned. It is far, far less benign than the Statement of Principles. In this document lies a plan to make the Defense Department infinitely more massive, and to make America a violently hyperactive and unilateral presence throughout the world. In the section titled Key Findings, several items jump right out. Among the Four Core Missions listed, you will find the demand to:

Fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous theater wars; and, Perform the constabulary duties associated with shaping the security environment in critical regions; and, Increase defense spending to a minimum level of 3.5 to 3.8 percent of gross domestic product.

Page 26 of the report carries the following lines:

The United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.

So lets tie all these threads together, and find out why some wacky right-wing think tank is important. Well start with the signatures on that Statement of Principles. Among those who signed on with the Project for a New American Century in 1997, who founded the Project, who stand by its ideologies and who press those ideologies out into an unwitting world, are:

Dick Cheney, Vice President, and former CEO of Halliburton Petroleum;

Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense;

Paul Wolfowitz, Assistant Secretary of Defense;

Elliot Abrams, senior member of the National Security Council, who pled guilty to the charge of lying to Congress in the Iran/Contra scandal;

Norman Podhoretz, a writer who described the PNAC mission and the war on Iraq as, A process of the reformation and modernization of Islam;

Bill Bennett, whom youve surely met if youve been to Vegas recently;

Lewis Scooter Libby, chief assistant to Dick Cheney.

The list goes on, and on, and on. Not listed on this page, but prominent throughout PNAC, is Richard Perle, former chair of the powerful Defense Policy Board, and perhaps the single most dangerous human being alive on the planet today. In Washington, they call him The Prince of Darkness.

Understand the ramifications here. The Project for a New American Century was, in 1997, so far out there that nobody ever thought these goofballs would come within 100 miles of power in government. And yet here we stand today, with the chief men from the Project now controlling every single nook and cranny of Americas foreign policy, defense strategy, military, and budget. These guys I just listed, particularly Cheney and Rumsfeld and Perle and Wolfowitz and Abrams, are quite literally the men running America.

The Project asked for the fighting of several major theater wars not the need to be prepared to fight these wars, but to actually fight these wars - and we now have two: Iraq and Afghanistan.

The Project asked for the creation of a permanent military presence in Iraq, and we have Kellog Brown & Root, a Halliburton subsidiary, right there in the mix. Brown & Roots stock in trade is the building of permanent military bases, and they are there in Iraq today, building.

The Project asked for American commitment to constabulary duties in strategically important places, and that is what we now have in Iraq, whether we like it or not.

The Project asked for 3.8 percent of gross domestic product to be poured into the Defense budget, and that is exactly the number exactly that this administrations last budget asked for and got from this Congress.

The Project said, The need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein. That transcendent need is all the explanation required for why this administration lied with its bare face hanging out for months and months about the threat posed by Iraq. The lies were justified by the ideology, by the transcendent need to make war on a nation that, while ruled by a tyrant, posed no threat whatsoever to The United States or her citizens.

To understand the final and complete and total influence the Project for a New American Century has over the foreign policy, and by default the domestic policy of this nation, look no further than the ground-breaking and profoundly important White House document entitled The National Security Strategy of the United States of America. Released in September of 2002, one year ago almost to the day, this report redefines Americas mission in the world. It states flatly that America will act unilaterally, and that the mission of our government and our military has changed forever. That document is a mirror-image, in ideology and design and in many places text, of the Project for a New American Centurys September 2000 Rebuilding Americas Defenses.

If you need any further proof that the leading lights of one of the most extremist right-wing think tanks ever formed in America are now running this government, hold those two reports side by side in your hands. Read them, one after the other. You will have all the answers you need.

So lets recap, as I have just dropped a whole barnload of data on you. In 1997, this think tank was formed. Their principal goals were to radically change American foreign policy and the basic concept of how and why we go to war. By proxy, they wanted to take Iraq over and establish a permanent military presence there. From there, they wanted to take over, basically, the entire Middle East. One broken election later, the prime and powerful advocates for these clearly documented and clearly fringe concepts became the Vice President (Cheney), the Secretary of Defense (Rumsfeld), the Assistant Secretary of Defense (Wolfowitz), the chairman of the Pentagons Defense Policy Board (Perle), and the head of the National Security Council (Abrams). In short, the prime movers of this group became the foreign policy, military, and national security establishment of the United States government.

In 2000, they put out a report asking to fight several major theater wars. Under Bush, they got their wish. In 2000, they asked for at least 3.8 percent of GDP to go to the Defense Department. Under Bush, they got it. In 2000, they asked for a war in Iraq. Under Bush, they got it, and be damned to the truth. In 2000, they asked for the ability to turn America into a nation that attacked first and asked questions never. Under Bush, and his National Security Strategy of 2002, they got it. The Project for a New American Century is, in point of fact, the government of the United States of America.

What will they reach for if they win the 2004 election?

So what, you may say. September 11 happened. We have to respond.

I would answer with the following: First of all, understand that these ideas were formulated well before September 11. These officials within the Bush administration did not cobble these concepts together in the aftermath of that attack, but had them waiting before the attack ever came, and used the attack to bulldog these ruinous policies out into the world. That is disturbing on its face. In a moment, I will share with you the most disturbing part of all.

But first, this. A reaction to the September 11 attacks, and to the fringe ideology and the perversion of Islam that motivated them, was and is necessary. Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda are thugs, a protection racket that uses terror instead of Tommy guns. Yet they are heroes to many in the Muslim world. They are not heroes because of what they do. They are heroes because of what we do. They win the hearts and minds of people throughout the world not because of their actions, but because their actions are motivated by our actions.

If we are to win this War on Terror, this new Cold War, we will not do so by bombing decrepit countries and slaughtering Muslim civilians. We will not do so by swaggering across the planet and slapping the international community across the face. In this struggle, I look to one of my favorite Red Sox fans, President John F. Kennedy. Kennedy was by no means a foreign policy prince; he pulled crap that would make Richard Perle blush.

Yet Kennedy understood something fundamental about the Cold War struggle, from back when that struggle was as hot and dangerous as it ever got, that resonates in roaring truth today. Kennedy understood that to win the Cold War, America did not simply have to defeat the Soviet Union by force of arms, or threaten to be able to do so. America had to give the rest of the world, especially those regions where communism stood a good chance of taking hold, the belief and understanding that we had a better way. We had to convince the world that were right, and righteous, and though we were not perfect by any means, the hope and goodness of what we represented had to be carried to the corners of the world with something besides a bayonet and a bomb. Hatred of America does not take root when America shows its best face. The bastion of immigration that is New York City proves this beyond doubt. We are not perfect, but we can be very good, and bringing this simple truth to the world will defang these thugs, period.

That is the final failure of this administration, and of these boys from the Project for a New American Century. They believe we can defeat terrorism by kicking ass and taking names, by being violent and unilateral, by basically shoving the worst aspects of our country and our system into the international communitys face and demanding, at gunpoint, that they be with us or against us. Machiavelli said, long ago, that given such a choice, the attacked would always choose to be against. Kicking ass in Iraq, while being exposed as liars and bullies, has proven to be the greatest recruiting poster al Qaeda could have ever asked for. We can defeat these thugs if we go after them properly. We can cut off their funds and their ability to bring in people who will die for the privilege of watching you die.

But when we do what we have been doing, when we follow the PNAC plan, we create an unending tide of furious humanity that will, in the end, bury us.

Youve been used, New York. Your pain and woe has been used to justify a course of action formulated years before those Towers fell. The fear caused by those falling Towers has been used against you, on purpose, to drag us all along on a suicide ride that fulfills the extremist dreams of a tiny minority while filling the coffers of defense and petroleum companies that do not, and will never, have your best interests in mind. Those companies exist to serve themselves, and with the rise of PNAC, they have found their champions. At your expense.

I told you, a moment ago, about the most disturbing part. I told you, also that these PNAC plans were formulated in that Rebuilding Americas Defenses report written long before September 11. I didnt tell you about page 51 of that report. Page 51 of a report that has become the basis for our war in Iraq, and our new and aggressive foreign policy stance, page 51 of the report that is now the heart and soul of the ideology of this government. Page 51, and one simple sentence. The process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor.

That was written in September of 2000. It is now September of 2003. Now we have the facts. What are we to do with them? It is not enough to know. We must act.
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baby_bear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:27 PM
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1. How was it received?
I don't know anything about the Symposium. Was the PNAC education new for your audience members? So pathetically few Americans know anything about it. I hope your speech opened some eyes and ears, and especially, minds.

Thanks for sharing it.

s_m
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:30 PM
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2. It went well
It was a progressive audience for the most part, so they had heard of PNAC. The details of the report, however, were new to many.
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ramblin_dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:34 PM
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3. Did they get the Pearl Harbor = 9/11 connection?
Did any of them think outside the box? That maybe, just maybe, 9/11 wasn't all it appeared to be. I assume at least you may have wanted them to consider the possibilities without spelling them out.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:41 PM
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4. Powerful
Your ablility to take this document and explain it this easily is a powerful tool and I am sure glad you are on our side! The ending was killer. I would guess the folks that heard you speak will be tossing this around for quite some time. Thanks for posting this.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:43 PM
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5. Wonderful Speech, Will .....
Truly: .... very articulate and consistent across the board ....

NOW I know why you wanted that 'New Pearl Harbor' reference ....

The PNAC Administration's facade of lies is built on faulty premises: .... only by universal exposition will they be universally recognized as the blood thirsty war mongerers as they are ....
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:48 PM
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6. Hey Will!
Wonderful speech. But here is my question...what is the Pearl Harbor implication? I took it to mean the the Bush administration knew about 911 and allowed it to happen in order to further it's global ambitions. You did not come right out and say that, but it was certainly implied. As you well know, it took 50+ years to finally prove that FDR knew what was about to happen in Hawaii and even with that, it's never been laid out clearly...to me, it's still a dirty little secret.

So, I guess my point is, rather than implying this, do we have proof, and if we do, where is it? BTW, I'm REALLY getting the bunker ready for you!
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:59 PM
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7. In this matter
and given my subject matter, it was better to infer and allow the crowd to draw their own conclusions. Let 'em stew.

Thanks. :)
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:03 PM
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8. it's not a connection Will made
The statement is right there, in the open, in their own words.

Page 51 of the PNAC doc 'Rebuilding America's Defenses'. It's scary as hell.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:18 PM
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10. Raven I take it to mean
That PNAC is admitting it would use any "pearl harbor" type
event to enact PNAC regardless of PNAC being an appropriate
response or not .
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:50 PM
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14. Here's my point...
and, believe me, I know a little bit about this from years of first hand experience...there are basically two theories on Pearl Harbor: one is that it happened, took us by surprise and was the catalyst for getting us into the war; the other is that FDR knew it was going to happen and allowed it to happen because otherwise he would not have had the support of the American poeple to enter the war.

For years and years, the American people would not believe that any president would knowingly allow something like Pearl Harbor to happen. When there were questions at the time, certain Army and Navy commanders in Hawaii were made scapegoats... it was said that they were incompetent...they were asleep. These commanders were dragged before Congress, blamed for the whole affair and demoted. About 20 years ago various historians began examining this and over time (it took another 30 years!) it became clear that FDR's administration had advanced knowledge of the attack. Even today, the common wisdom is that the sacrifice of the "few" at Pearl Harbor, saved thousands of innocent lives.

My father was a young navy lawyer who was assigned to represent Admiral Husband Kimmel, the Navy commander in Hawaii, before Congress when the was scapegoated. There were reams and reams of documents that were "classified" for years so the defense team could not access them. Kimmel was drummed out of the service and demoted. My Dad never let it go and worked for 50 years (literally) to bring the truth of Pearl Harbor to light. Somehow, years ago, my father made contact with some of these historians. They began working together. Over the many years, more and more documents became available and finally, two years ago, Congress reinstated Kimmel to his rightful rank...thanks, largely to Ted Kennedy and, of all people, Strom Thurmond. It was done quietly. Kimmel was restored to his rank (by then, he had been dead for years and his sons were in their 80's). Ted Kennedy sent my dad the Congressional resolution and a pen. My dad dies about six months later. The Kimmel boys were very grateful to have cleared their father's name, but they were also exhausted. Did all of this make the headlines? No. Do the American people know about this? Generally, no. Does anybody care? No. Do Bush and company have a formula for success? Yup. What does it take sometimes, to expose the truth? Years and years and years. And we just don't have that kind of time.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 03:02 PM
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15. WOW Raven
thanks for posting that. I am really glad to have some of that cleared up in my mind. I had wondered a lot about it over the years.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 03:10 PM
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16. John Toland
who is an award winning historian, has written a good bit on this. But I think it is a subject that is so dispicable that people really don't want to know the truth. To be honest, for years, I thought that my dad was over the top on this and that he had his tin foil hat on and that it was just his friendship and loyalty to Kimmel. As I grew older, I read alot of the background and realized that it was true. In the here and now, I think we have to understand the reluctance of the American people to believe that their leaders would sacrifice Americans in this way and we have to deal with that.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 03:25 PM
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17. I don't think
any of us wants to know these kinds of things. Some days I wish I could just forget about it, some days I just want to slit my wrists I am so frustrated. I guess some of us just have the ability to hear it and the stubborness to fight it. Funny how we all seem to get our chance to wear those little foil hats.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 03:39 PM
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21. Everyone (almost, I guess) loves their dad
but I watched this from the time I was a little girl. It wasn't as if it was a huge topic around the dinner table...it was just that I always knew that it was something he believed in and, no matter how unpopular it was, he was not going to let go. At first I thought it was just the personal friendship he had developed with Kimmel, then I realized it was much more than that. The most important lesson that I came away with is that it takes blood, sweat and tears, courage and persistence to get these things done.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 03:47 PM
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27. That is probably one
of the very best lessons we can teach our kids. Your dad sounds like he was a true, honest man.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 04:03 PM
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31. He was an extraordinary person
The most honest man of integrity and wisdom I have ever met.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 04:25 PM
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32. You come from
great stock and you honor him. That explains a lot about you. Keep it up.
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 04:31 PM
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35. The DNA shows through,
Will and Raven. Designer genes if you will.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 07:23 PM
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40. Will, did you ever have Fr. Vince Lapromada at HC?
I took a course with him and I argued that PH was LIHOP.....he flunked me on the paper/dissertation. He was convinced that FDR was not aware of the attacks...
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 03:40 PM
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24. I totally know where you are coming from
I know people who still are very offended at any mention
that pearl harbor was allowed to happen to convince Americans
to enter the second world war .

I think Will's statement eclipses all sides on the matter
w/o being offensive, regardless of ones perception of how or
why pearl harbor happened .

The way he said it, could be taken either way IMHO

The point being that PNAC people would use the event
for idealogical(sp?)political purposes , sets a brush
fire in people's minds that will add to any debate in
the matter. Well Hopefully anyway :hi:
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ramblin_dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 03:41 PM
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25. Big difference between FDR and GWB
By early 1941 Hitler was on a roll. Germany was a huge power and its intentions seemed clear. If Britain fell it would be over and the US would be next. I can see how FDR would have had a real fear of the Nazis and would have been eager to stop them. But there was huge anti-war sentiment. What would you have done, what would I have done? This is not an easy question to answer.

But al-Qaeda terrorists are not a Nazi goliath on a rampage. And the goals of the PNAC guys are power and wealth, not defence of our country.
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King_Crimson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 11:52 PM
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47. Raven...
Edited on Sun Sep-14-03 11:53 PM by HOWLIN_WOLF
First I want to thank both you and Will Pitt for some very interesting and detailed writing. You got my curiosity up on the FDR thing, so I went a did a little exploring using the google search engine.
Not only did Toland do a good compilation on "what did we know and when did we know it"?, but another author named Robert B. Stinnett has some very detailed accounts himself.
As it is getting late in the evening I will post a link to a very detailed speech that Mr. Stinnett gave entitled: PEARL HARBOR: Official Lies in an American War Tragedy? May 24, 2000 at The Independent Institute Conference Center.
Apparently a lot of this information is relatively new and I wasn't aware that it existed...and it is like a blow to the abdomen that FDR could possibly have let Pearl Harbor happen. I copied it off and haven't had a chance to review but a few sentences.
Here's the link http://www.independent.org/tii/forums/000524ipfTrans.ht...
For some interesting reading in defense of Mr. Roosevelt, try "The Nazi Hydra in Fascist America" at http://spiritone.com/~gdy52150/noon.html
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ldf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:15 PM
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9. excellent, will....
if only every american were forced to sit down and read this.
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:20 PM
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11. Great speech Will.
As I kept reading and reading I kept thinking in my head the pearl harbor reference, Will, for Godsakes, don't forget the pearl harbor reference!!!!

I think you used it quite effectively, I bet they were buzzing!!
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:33 PM
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12. Thanks.
All nice and neat and readable. I downloaded it into my PNAC file. I hope I can quote from it in the future if the need arises.
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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:46 PM
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13. Whoo Hoo! Will!
Great Speech :bounce:
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mithnanthy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 03:57 PM
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29. Thanks Will
I'm using this as a learning tool for my friends as I attempt to educate them about PNAC.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 03:27 PM
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18. Congrats Will
Edited on Sun Sep-14-03 03:29 PM by ewagner
I think you laid out the basic facts in "comic-book-simple" language.

However, the true artistry of your speech was the dramatic and effective way you utilitzed the Pearl Harbor portion of the document.

Hats off to you Will...let's get this blaring on every news channel in America!

:toast:

edited because keyboard is stupid.....
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 03:30 PM
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19. Go get 'em, Will!!
I have been trying to spread the word about the PNAC to folks and,if you will allow, would like to add your speech. I have to admit I have been wanting to read the Rebuilding document at the PNAC website but it is a bit long and daunting. Thanx for breaking it down so well. Best thing I've read on it since Bernard Weiner's PNAC Primer at The Crisis Papers site.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 03:40 PM
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22. It'll be a truthout link tonight
Thanks.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 03:34 PM
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20. Everyone, do yourselves a favor!
If Will's nearby, go see him talk! Very inspiring and motivational.

Hey bud, how ya feeling? Get any sleep?

Fucking Jets, grrrr....
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 03:40 PM
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23. Like a baby.
:)
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 03:42 PM
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26. So you're the other guy!
I keep track, ya know! PeteNYC and you, out on the town with my baby! Thanks for being so nice to him! :-)
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 03:48 PM
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28. My Pleasure!
I'm sure you're quite proud! I kept him out of trouble ;-)
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 04:01 PM
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30. Hah! At least he made the train!
But here's my real question...where did you come up with that name?
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 04:26 PM
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33. You like it?
Click the link in my sig!
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 04:30 PM
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34. Great Speech Will!
thanks for sharing and passing the word :toast:

btw: have you ever thought of using imperial japan and their occupation of asia as a comparison for the PNAC agenda? there propaganda matches up pretty well with ours, they even used the term 'illegal combatant'

I think that it makes a very good analogy for what we are now doing in the ME and would be easy for folks to classify as BAD :shrug:

peace
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 04:55 PM
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36. Kick!
:kick:
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T Roosevelt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 05:23 PM
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37. Spot on
I've added this thread to Stephanie's PNAC thread in the Bush, Conservatives, and Conservatism forum.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:00 PM
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44. Thanks!
Thanks T Roosevelt! This is a valuable and excellent speech.
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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 05:45 PM
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38. Very Nice William. n/t
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 06:52 PM
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39. bravo
kick
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 07:31 PM
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41. Abbie Hoffman would say "steal this speech".........it's a dandy.
Edited on Sun Sep-14-03 07:33 PM by oasis
:-)
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 09:44 PM
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42. Kicking This Up! Excellent Stuff William!
Powerful!

:kick:
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 09:56 PM
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43. So sorry I missed this, Will!
I actually bought a 3-day ticket for this forum, mainly with the intention of seeing you and Cynthia McKinney on Friday night. Then I got a terrible cold and just couldn't go out. I went for a while on Saturday afternoon and looked for you and Nico but didn't see you, and the first lecture that day was insanely tedious so I left.

This is an awesome speech. How was the house? Lots of people? Anyone surprised by this? That's an extremely well-informed crowd, but PNAC is not on everyone's reading list. Was the Pearl Harbor quote news to them?
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:52 PM
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45. Getting better, Will
a trick tought to me by one of the best speechwriters in DC

1)for your last draft, record yourself giving the speech without the text in front of you. Then play back the recording as you read your prepared draft. You'll likely find your "off the cuff" recorded version is more engaging and concise in many places. Change the written draft to match the recorded draft where you see fit.

2) break up the speech into blocks--each idea gets a block, whether it's one sentence or ten.

3)bold and increase the font size of the first four words in each section. You'll find yourself looking down less and less--your "auto-brain" remembers everything you wrote and the bold helps trigger it.
Some experinced speakers i know just write the four words on notecards without the rest of the text and deliver the speeches almost exactly as written.
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 11:01 PM
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46. idea for next speech: talk about Leo Stauss and "Natural Right"
Edited on Sun Sep-14-03 11:02 PM by cap
and the idea that the elites should lie in order to protect they system...kid you not.

Have fun googling this stuff... it's truly evil... google leo strauss natural right and then leo strauss wolfowitz, etc

The truly frightening stuff is in conservative publications.
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Crewleader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-03 12:23 AM
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48. Telling It Like It Is William...Excellent Friend!
All New York Listen To The Truth! ;-)

Good read Raven, sounds like your Dad was an incredible man! :hi:
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