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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:48 PM
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There's going to be a fight over who gets her body.
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 03:48 PM by Jacobin
Count on it.

After all the circus atmosphere over her passing, yanking the tube in and out, going to court over and over again over her feeding tube, this will NOT end.

They are going to actually fight over who gets to bury her corpse. This is not near the end. This is only the beginning of the madness.

:-(
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Radio-Active Donating Member (735 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:49 PM
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1. expect the body to disappear on Easter Sunday..
it's a miracle!
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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:51 PM
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2. Wow, in all the debate I hadn't even thought that far ahead.
I agree, her death won't end anything, it will just signal another chapter in the saga. Same song, second verse.

Sad, really, really sad. :-(
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:53 PM
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4. Will DeLay pass a federal law on who gets her corpse?
As a kind of a consolation prize for their cult?

This is spinning so far out of control that it reads like some bad dime store novel.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:12 PM
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37. well they sure as hell won't leave it up to the courts again
maybe they'll nationalize her body...

onenote
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:52 PM
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3. I don't know.
I have a hard time believing Michael Schiavo would willingly continue this circus after Mrs. Schiavo's death.
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dhinojosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:54 PM
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5. I didn't know the Michael Schiavo started the circus
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:04 PM
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27. He didn't. And I didn't say he did either.
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dhinojosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:26 PM
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48. Sorry, your choice of words Heavily implies that. :) eom
:)
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:30 PM
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51. Sorry.
My wording was meant to imply that I don't think he's "willingly" participating in the circus NOW, but that he feels he has to continue to fight for his wife's sake, and that I think he would try his damnedest to see the circus does not continue after her death.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:54 PM
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7. What if the parents wanted to bury her in some giant
monument commemorating the fiasco, complete with neon lights, etc?

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kbm8170 Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:57 PM
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12. We'll be required to put that monument in every courthouse
along with a ten foot Ten Commandments scribe appropriately smuggled in during the night by the Moore followers.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:59 PM
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18. Speaking of Reverend, er Judge Moore, whatever happened to him?
Has he spoken out about the lollapalooza in Florida?
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:04 PM
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28. I have a hard time believing that scenario also.
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 04:05 PM by Left Is Write
ETA: Of course, I have heard that Mr. Schiavo had planned to have her body cremated, and the parents may try to fight with him about that.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:00 PM
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20. Seems to me Michael Schiavo is the only person left with dignity intact.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:54 PM
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6. He says he is going to have her cremated
And buried in their family plot in Pennsylvania.

Parents don;t want that...they say it is against the catholic religion. He will win again!

My understanding is that Catholics frown on it but it is no longer that important

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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:55 PM
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9. Here we go! Round Two!!!
dingdingdingding.

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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:59 PM
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17. That's just petty.
Why does it matter to him, as long as she's buried?
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:00 PM
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21. He wants to be buried with her I believe
And I don't think he wants her grave turning into some right wing shrine...
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:04 PM
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29.  Doubt that. He's getting remarried and has children with someone else.
People typically don't bury themselves with their ex's after they remarry and create a family with another person.

Though you might have something with that right-wing shrine argument, the fact that she's getting buried either way pretty much means that the right will be traipsing over her grave for years anyway.

Personally, as a Catholic, I think he should hand over her body after she dies. Does any of this really matter at that point?
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:06 PM
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She is not, however, his "ex."
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:08 PM
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33. Jackie Kennedy is buried with JFK

Muriel Humphrey is buried with Hubert Humphrey even though she was remarried.

My father plans to be buried with my mother when he dies even though he was remarried. It is not unusual at all.

It is up to him. He knows what she would have wanted more than anybody. It's easy to make judgements on the guy but all evidence is that he still deeply cares for her.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:20 PM
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45. He is her husband
And he has stated she will be buried in his family's plot in PA, next to where he himself will be buried. He won't be her ex, he'll be her widower. Lots of people do that.

My Catholic family thinks he's a hero, and has done the right thing since Day One. Props to Mr. Schiavo.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:18 PM
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44. Maybe to stop a macabre viewing?
Or a photo taken of her body ala Elvis' by the Enquirer? Or (God help us), a grave robbing? That I could actually see happening.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 06:13 PM
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57. MAYBE--because he doesn't want her body used as a
religio/political TOOL?
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:06 PM
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31. Here we go... "now they want to burn her like trash!"
The circus continues...
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:15 PM
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41. The Catholic Church allows cremation
And has for some time. Their "understanding" of RC doctrine and dogma is purposely flawed, I believe. Just like their assertion that Terri would be condemned if taken off the feeding tube, because the Pope doesn't agree with that. I used to teach catechism, and an innocent/passive person is NEVER blamed for something "done" to them.

Jerks.
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kbm8170 Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:55 PM
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8. World wingnut net radio daily
is now trying desperately to contend that an alleged campaign contribution by Michael Schaivo's attorney's law firm (a whole $250) raises serious ethical issues about Judge Greer.

These people look increasingly like they are out to intimidate the entire judicial system. It is time for someone to get organized enough to defend our government from what I think appears to be an increasingly direct threat to our nation.

At this point, I blame our Congress and our President for deliberately, and with direct intent, orchestrating this fiasco. The complicity of the media should not only be scrutinized, but individual broadcast stations (like my local Fox station, whose ONLY news comes from Pat Robertson) should be considered parties to inciting insurrection.

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prattleon Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:56 PM
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10. The Schindlers lawyer will fight to do an autopsy.
I'm sure they want to find "evidence" that Michael was in some way responsible for the state Terri was in.

This isn't over my any means. Buckle up because when she dies, the road will get even bumpier. I'm not looking forward to all this crap.

I'm sick of it already. Grrrrrrrr.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:57 PM
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13. I'd forgotten about that
They will insist after the autopsy that he murdered her and that all the judges are co-conspirators.

Oh my, the fun is just beginning.
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:02 PM
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25. only a state official can order an autopsy
and they have to have a good reason. Of coarse Michael as her next of kin could order one if he chose to.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:04 PM
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26. Um, ya mean like Jebbie?
:-)
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:58 PM
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16. They cant autopsy unless there is evidence of wrong doing or
the cause of death is in question or the next of kin (Michael) allows it.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:00 PM
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23. Well, that won't stop them
He was supposed to have the decision on the feeding tube, and I won't mention what happened with that. :-)
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:06 PM
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32. Yes, I'm sure they, with the financial backing of rightwing groups,
will continue dragging their daughter's memory through this public spectacle for political reasons.
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:57 PM
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11. None of them were originally from Florida so
Michael wants to take her remains back home. It's really his business whatever he decides to do.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:58 PM
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15. Hmm, that has a familar ring to it
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AValdoux Donating Member (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:57 PM
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14. Savage talked about that
He predicted that Michael was going to say that she said she wanted to be cremated. This would deny her family a proper Catholic burial. He had to use "the ovens of Auschwitz" comparison. He is one sick man. I listen to him occasionally on my 7-mile afternoon commute.

AValdoux
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:00 PM
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19. Catholic's get cremated all the time now.


The Catholic cemeteries have special repositories for cremated remains. There's nothing wrong with deciding to do that at all.
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classof56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:14 PM
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40. First, welcome to DU
Second...that wacko Savage is comparing cremation to "the ovens of Auschwitz"?? Give me a freakin' break. I thought he'd sunk about as low as he could, long long ago. I have a cremation policy and have told my family they can scatter my ashes at a particularly beautiful location that I've enjoyed visiting for much of my life. If that doesn't work, the ocean is fine. Comes right down to it, it doesn't really matter what happens to my earthly body...my soul will have soared to someplace wonderful. Of course, Congress, the prez and all those fine upstanding RW types may take that option away from my spouse, who has my wishes in writing, not to mention the times I've assaulted his ears with my instructions. Perhaps those folks should all just stay out of my business? Nah...too much to ask, I guess.

Fie on all of them!!

Tired Old Cynic
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:00 PM
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22. He really needs to consider cremation, otherwise these ghouls
will make her gravesite some horrid RW hate magnet.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:01 PM
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24. Next, they will be selling her bedsheets on EBay
$500 per square inch.

I'd bet on that one.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:05 PM
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30. I agree... He should spread her asshes secretively, and let them build a
memorial wherever they like, because you know they will anyway.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:28 PM
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50. He already has Judge Greer's permission
for cremation. He is taking her body to PA after all of this. This has been decided a while ago.

I can't believe the Schindlers would be petty enough to fight this. It would make them look even more loony of you ask me.
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Godai Kyoko Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:10 PM
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34. The family is charging abuse, and they will demand an autopsy
Not that that can get them anywhere, but they think CAT scans of her bones will show quite a few breakages here and there.

This circus will not end soon. Not as long as there is a court or a lawer who hasn't had thier finger in this pie.
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Blue Diadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:11 PM
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35. There have already been motions
in Feb. 2005 for allowing her to die at home and having a Florida burial. They were raised in the guardianship case which was denied.

There's a list of all legal proceedings at www.terrisfight.org
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:11 PM
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36. Schiavo's not stupid--the body is to be cremated.
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 04:15 PM by janx
He's not going to allow the religious right to use it as a tool anymore.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:12 PM
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38. I read that in the paper this morning...
There's already a dispute brewing. Michael wants to have her cremated. Her parents are saying that's against their religious beliefs. It reminds me (in reverse) of the Six Feet Under episode where Nate buried Lisa in the ground and then gave her family someone else's unclaimed ashes.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:23 PM
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46. Guess the Schindler's aren't good Catholics
Catholics can be cremated. They need to bone up on their religion's beliefs, eh?
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:34 PM
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52. I think they may be picking and choosing which Catholic beliefs
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 04:35 PM by Blue_In_AK
to go with. Surely Terri Schiavo isn't the only Catholic in the world who has ever been removed from a feeding tube. And I still don't understand what they're so afraid of if they truly believe in eternal life after death. They should be joyful that she will soon be done with this painful and heartbreaking life. Death is not to be feared -- it's natural.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:39 PM
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53. Exactly my point, Blue
If you believe in Christ, and God, and Heaven and eternal life, they should be joyful through their tears. Their daughter will be going someplace where she will be mentally and physically whole again, and will be pain free and loved.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:13 PM
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39. maybe she'll finally die today or tomorrow
Then all the wack job ghouls camped outside the hospice can eat her body for Sunday communion
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:17 PM
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42. Michael Schiavo has been granted custody of her body
And is allowed to have her cremated, pick the burial place, and control the funeral. Judge Greer did that a while ago. She will be buried in his family's plot in Philly, next to where he himself will be buried.
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:17 PM
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43. This isnt the first time this has happened, for instance
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 04:20 PM by moobu2
When Hugh Finn's wife had his feeding tube removed, the governor of Virginia filed suit to attempt to stop her within hours of the removal. It became a huge political issue there.

also they attempted to autopsy his body after accusing her of wanting to burry him to cover up some wrong doing.

The governmet even tried to autopsy his remains after he passed away against the wifes wishes. They even took the body but the wife went to court and got a court order stopping them..
Hugh Finn died at a nursing home on Oct. 9, 1998, eight days after his wife had his feeding tube removed. But that was not the end of the story. The local coroner then had the body taken to a funeral home so he could perform an autopsy. Since there was no question concerning the cause of death, the circuit court ordered the body returned to the family. That ruling finally allowed the family to lay Hugh Finn's body to rest in peace.


read the story here..
Hugh Finn's story

They demonized the wife and called her a murderer and everything.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:25 PM
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47. That probably (thank God)
Helped that jackass Gilmer lose the election. That and the car tax issue, amongst other things. Even freepers don't like people messing around with next-of-kin rights...
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:28 PM
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49. Please someone, somewhere, please weigh in responsibly and give us
all a break. I never even thought about the potential for the fight to continue on. Not fair, Jacobin! Enough is just enough.
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:54 PM
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54. I've asked similar questions. Like, what will the time of death on the
Death Certificate be? Will it be from current or from 1991 when she had the original trauma, or sometime in between? What will they list as the cause of death?

I would NOT be surprised to see her body attached to a cross and hauled across the country on a trailer behind an SUV!
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 06:09 PM
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55. I bet Delay gets it.
After all, God promised it go him.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 06:10 PM
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56. this is not the human race's finest hour
in fact VH-1 should do a show on it

100 most shocking brainfarts of the human race.
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