Pre-Vegetative Terri was good looking and obviously preoccupied with looks

[Proud2BAmurkin]

If Terri was a good looking woman and a big part of who she was is that she was a PREOCCUPIED person about her looks (eating disorder) then that's even more proof she wouldn't want to be PARADED LIKE A FREAK SHOW by pandering Repukes.

(note, I'm not saying anything is wrong with being vain.)

[tjdee]

1. People with eating disorders are insecure, not vain....

[incapsulated]

2. It's not vanity that makes you literally starve yourself to death

It's a serious disorder.

That said, I doubt she would appreciate being seen by the world like this, few would, vain or not.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

6. A disorder that the root of it is concern about your LOOKS

.

[lastliberalintexas]

15. Actually, eating disorders are about control

And *usually* stem from control issues within the family. I'm not saying that's necessarily the case here, because I don't know these people. But just as rape has nothing to do with sex, neither do anorexia/bullemia have to do with vanity.

[Spazito]

20. Exactly!

*

[incapsulated]

22. EXACTLY

How they look is often criticised precisely because of what they are doing to themselves. They don't get positive feedback when it's serious, believe me.

It is about control and fear of loss of control. People with this disorder often come from families that are controling or smothering or over-demanding. It's a complex psychological disorder and calling it vanity or obsession with appearance is just sad.

[JimmyJazz]

25. Thank you.

That is 100% correct.

[Just Me]

35. "usually stem from control issues within the family",...yep,...sadly.

,...and guess what,...control issues surround this entire matter.

HMPF!!! Imagine that. A core of "control", all around this whole spectacle.

[incapsulated]

39. I've thought about that

I don't like psychoanalyzing people in public but the irony of the feeding tube and the controlling nature of the family has occurred to me.

[SouthernDem2004]

3. Another thread needing to be deleted.

[WilliamPitt]

4. Crap thread

Eating disorders are just that: Disorders. Saying people with eating disorders are vain is the same as saying alcoholics are gluttons or have problems with self-discipline.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

5. I said nothing is wrong with VAIN and obviously an eating disorder........

is about someone obsessed with trying to LOOK BETTER because they don't like how they LOOK

[WilliamPitt]

9. I had a number of students who had eating disorders

Vanity was the least of their problems.

Helpful hint: CAPITAL LETTERS don't make your flawed and unimformed arguments any stronger.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

12. The point is she didn't want to be SEEN like this

part of an eating disorder is obsession with looks and that is vanity

[buzzard]

17. It is a psychiatric disorder and has little to do with vanity.n/t

[Inland]

21. It's not vanity if it's a clinical disorder

any more than paranoid is cowardly.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

23. paranoid IS under the umbrella of cowardly

you're afraid of things that dont exist but you're still afraid

[WilliamPitt]

31. On another point

why on earth do you feel the need to slander the woman with misguided accusations of vanity? I'd say we've proven these wingnut goobers wrong on the merits across the board; grinding your boot into Schiavo personally seems like a whole lot of ugly overkill.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

32. I said in my post I do NOT think there is anything wrong with vanity

almost everyone is vain. To say someone showed signs of vanity is not "slander". Give me a break.

[incapsulated]

33. Being "afraid" is a side effect

Of the PARANOID DELUSIONS that the person is afflicted with.

Jesus. I have a close relative that is a paranoid schizophrenic. Do you think that means he has hallucinations but is more afraid of them than other schizophrenics???

[Inland]

43. No, you are confusing a clinical disorder with a character flaw.

Paranoia isn't cowardice, self image disorder isn't vanity, anxiety disorder isn't being a worrywart, bipolar isn't moody.

The concept that these disorders are merely lots of these characteristics is precisely wrong. That's why they are disorders.

[progmom]

34. You keep restating your point

And we're going to keep telling you you are wrong.

It's not vanity.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

36. I already changed it with "preoccupation with looks" since.........

other people are making value judgements about "vanity". The point that she was preoccupied with her looks and would not want to be paraded around 24 hours a day isn't wrong.

[ultraist]

42. No. Eating disorders are not about vanity. Please educate yourself

Or "preoccupied with looks" which is essentially a definition of vanity.

Show some compassion for fuck's sake. People with disorders don't deserve to be accused of having character weaknesses such as "vanity" or selfishness.

[jdj]

10. I get it.

I hope people don't pretend not to understand where you are coming from. Peopl are so touchy around here these days.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

16. thanks, not starting argument between "sick and vain"

the point is she was concerened about her looks and would not want to be seen like this

[jdj]

37. I know, it' s a trend to pretend to be thick, here lately.

if you want to feel better, just look at my Salman Rushdie thread.

It's beset by human question marks, too.

[incapsulated]

40. The point is you are wrong

Anorexics are not "concerned about their looks".

You and I and some vain person over there may be.

They are obsessed with controlling their bodies, often because they feel a lack of control over anything else or are afraid of losing emotional control. They may call themselves "fat" but they will starve themselves until the sight of them would make a person ill, and cover it up so people will not see. That is not obession with appearance and need for approval.

[incapsulated]

13. You obviously don't know much

About serious eating disorders. It isn't about people "obsessed about how they look" anymore than a drug addict is "obsessed about appearing cool" or any such nonsense.

People obsessed with how they look spend too much time at the salon and buying clothes and dieting.

They don't kill themselves, slowly, by refusing to eat anything until they drop dead of a heart attack.

Can't you see the serious emotional problems here?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

18. I didn't say there were not emotional problems with eating disorder

.

[crimson333]

14. some how I missed that explanation on why people have eating disorders

in my DSM IV

[fleabert]

19. need this?

or this?



I agree, eating disorders are about control over one's life, not vanity. On the surface, some claim vanity, but it's really about low self esteem, distorted body image, and control at the root.

[seabeyond]

7. they do think their worth is in their looks

and yes i believe that alone would suggest se wouldnt want to be like this, but then, i am not questioning this part of the whle thing. my aprt of this has been the government participation

[butchcjg]

8. victim of societal standards

Terri is the victim of sexism...

Maybe she woudlnt have been bulemic without all the sexist standards that says a woman has to be thin and pretty.

If she were "alive" and trying to get an abortion, the same people who want to "save" her would call her a murderer.

[jdj]

11. jesus H.

who's to say she never had one. none of us know.

you are right, they'd be drawing straws to see who got to rip that tube out.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

EDITED TO SAY PREOCCUPIED WITH LOOKS

because of semantic BS

[seabeyond]

26. lol lol proud i know the sensitivity and having experienced this

i dont argue with your description. i would say it to myself, as i saw the bones in my ribs. and say how vain, to be starving self and still it isnt good enough

[Proud2BAmurkin]

27. I wasn't even making any judgement about being vain

almost everyone is.

Hope the edit makes the point better anyway

[seabeyond]

29. oh you are right

that is why i was suggesting that her self worth was in her looks and very important to her, ergo her disease.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

24. EDITED TO SAY PREOCCUPIED WITH LOOKS

because of semantic BS

[Spazito]

28. Here is a link to the National Eating Disorder Information Center

From the Q & A
#3. What are eating disorders?



Eating disorders are caused by a combination of societal, individual, and family factors. They are a manifestation of complex underlying struggles with identity and self-concept, and of problems that often stem from traumatic experiences and patterns of socialization. Eating disorders are coping behaviours which provide the individual with an outlet for displacement of feelings or with a (false) sense of being in control. Common to all eating disorders is a pervasive underlying sense of powerlessness.

Notice the word vanity and 'preoccupied with looks' doesn't seem to be part of this. Quite the opposite, the words control, powerlessness are the commonalities in the disorder.

http://www.nedic.ca/

(This is the Canadian site, I am sure there are corresponding US sites if preferred.)

[progmom]

38. Thank you

OP seems to think this is an issue with semantics. It is not. It is an issue with not understanding the entire concept.

[H2O Man]

30. I think that it

is apparent that she was aware that she was attractive. She looks like a nice person. I think it would be better not to speculate on things like possible disorders. It's far too close to blaming the victim .... and this lady was the victim of tragic circumstance.

[SillyGoose]

41. Please don't make judgements about a woman you do not know.

It is patently unfair and crass.