Geez, I just got the eeriest, scariest gut feeling and I hope I'm wrong!

[Bouncy Ball]

I was reading over in LBN. bush's second term, on the whole, is looking like a clusterfuck. He can't get anywhere on SS, his approval rating is down to 43%, this whole fundie bullshit Terri Schiavo stuff is backfiring HARD on them (mostly because the fundies, who really DON'T make up a big part of our population, are SO pissed off about this and abortion, etc, and they have given the fundies so much power, so now they will suffer for it). He just promised Fox he'd try to get Congress to lighten up in immigration laws even MORE, making bushbots' heads everywhere explode. Seems a lot of regular bush voters are experiencing buyer's remorse. Military recruitment down, the economy is shitty, despite what the whores on TV try to tell us.

And suddenly I remembered the first section of Fahrenheit 9/11, where Michael Moore is narrating what bush's first several months in 2001 were like. He couldn't get any of his judges appointed, the missle defense stuff was practically being laughed at, his approval ratings were way down.

And then. We all know what happened. Now I am NOT MIHOP, ok? Seriously, I'm not.

I HAVE considered LIHOP. It's hard not to when you find out how many blatant, specific warnings were just tossed aside and ignored. And when you read a detailed timeline of that day and see how badly everything was fucked up from the word go.

And now, it seems, we are primed for yet another HUGE DISTRACTION.

My fellow DUers, I honestly, sincerely, completely hope I'm TOTALLY WRONG on this.

[monobrau]

1. I'm with ya, pal

Was thinking the same damn thing yesterday.

[Benhurst]

3. Me, too. NT

[asjr]

41. Me too! Something smelly is in the works. Someone,

somewhere is in the way of being invaded. We do not have the troops, but we will surely MIHOP in order to reinstate the draft. This regime is a menace to society.

[Solomon]

109. Nah. I hate to rain on this parade, but the first time around he wasn't

really president. He didn't become president until 9-11 happened. He's been "elected" this time so he doesn't need a 9-11 anymore.

[peacebird]

2. I've been thinking exactly the same thing, BouncyBall

Let's hope we're just paranoid, and they're not really THAT evil....

[Bouncy Ball]

8. ...

:scared:

I'm not just talking, either, this really does scare me all of a sudden. I DO know what bushco is capable of (hell, they didn't give a shit about killing thousands of Iraqis and he mocked a woman he was about to have put to death in Texas).

I'm feeling like staying in a lot.

[mattclearing]

55. But in the end, that's what they want, and what they're counting on.

Remember? Fear is the thing being marketed here.

[kliljedahl]

65. They are that evil

http://www.kliljedahl.net

[goodboy]

4. time for another war! I'm thinking Venezuela...think about it...who

would stop us? nobody. and what does Venezuela have???

O.I.L

[sui generis]

14. hey gb

we're on the same wavelength, you just type faster. :hi: dangit.

[goodboy]

59. well, here's the proverbial cliche' "great minds"...oh, you know the rest

I guess being a pianist doesn't hurt the old typing skillz that much.

[atommom]

5. I'm with you too. Hope it doesn't happen, but I'm worried.

[sui generis]

6. silly wabbit, of course we're going to invade Venezuela

whatever in the world made you think we wouldn't???? After all they have 100,000 assault weapons (of somewhat poor manufacture and mediocre destruction) and all their oil are belong us.

:evilgrin:

[yvr girl]

24. Canada is so much more convenient though

Isn't our beef a WMD?

[HereSince1628]

39. Be careful we know about your natural gas...

And we consider you as dangerous as a very nice little cottage shrubbery with a white picket fence.

[yvr girl]

78. We have lots of oil too,

we just hide it in sand.

We're tougher than you think. Ever been to a hockey game?

[Lisa]

119. yeah, and our hockey players have been cooped up ...

... due to that NHL lockout, so they haven't had a brawl in months. And the people whose Jetsgo tickets got cancelled are probably even more angry!

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

25. Watch your grammar

It's "all their oil are belong TO us!"

[sui generis]

43. I was typing with a venezwaylin accint

[slackmaster]

148. Not assault weapons

Fully automatic military rifles.

[Goldmund]

7. I agree.

Add draft to the equation. No way will it fly unless there's a terrorist attack.

[Bouncy Ball]

15. Oh damn I forgot about that.

Yeah, 75 days or something like that, right?

So they need some HUGE distraction before 75 days from now, so the draft will fly.

Well, now I'm even more unsettled. I read it would be males AND females, aged 18-39.

Let them TRY to draft me. I'll go to prison first, I really will.

[Goldmund]

36. On March 31st

it's supposed to be within 75 days of implementation after a Bush order, whenever that order may come.

[robertpaulsen]

116. Here's a link to info on the coming DRAFT.

National Call to Action:Student Walk Outs March 31st-No Draft No Way
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3318508

[Just Me]

38. If Ritter was right about a mid-June additional war in the M.E.,...

,...the "just right" timing for another disaster which would "justify" a draft would be,....ummm,...in the next week or so.

*sigh*

I really do hope that these people won't do that,...but, I simply cannot put it past them.

[Bouncy Ball]

48. Well, as if I couldn't get any MORE scared.

Ritter and Hersch scare the shit out of me. More because they have the knowledge and experience to know what the hell they're talking about.

I'm seriously considering getting under the covers.

[Just Me]

62. I'm sorry. Please, don't be afraid.

We will get through this. :hug:

At least, we're informed enough to be more prepared than most folks.

:hug:

[POAS]

114. Heard from a friend with a child in the AF

that AF personnel will be replacing some ground forces in Iraq to free up combat units for deployment elsewhere.

[shanti]

146. please dont' tell me that:-(

i have a son in the af in germany:-(

[Pachamama]

128. I think a draft would come after another War on someone has started

and following a terror attack on our country of some kind. It's the only way they could "justify" it without mass protest. First they would probably have an attack on US soil of some kind to then use as justification for going to war, then they would just bomb the crap out of that place they are starting a war (use their bunker busters and every other imaginable bomb) then they would say that we need to "draft" people....

And yes, sadly, I think Ritter and Hersh are right on....I just think that it might not be June, but maybe a little later than that....but either way, I think its within the next 6 months.....

[FreedomAngel82]

49. With the draft

If it does happen I think it'll happen and nobody will know unless they watch CSPAN or check out liberal blogs and radio shows. When the righties get hit with the draft it'd be too late for them to run and hide. Remember: Bush promised them there wouldn't be a draft so it'd be a huge political suicide if he did have one. So something has to happen.

[Bouncy Ball]

53. I agree.

It is NOT going to be an out in the open, announced kind of thing, it will sneak up and bite people in the ass unawares.

And that means ALL of us, males and females, ages 18-39.

(Still think they should only draft bush voters!)

[ewagner]

9. A lot of others

share your concerns.....

If I can put the tinfoil hat on for a second, I will confess that I am concerned that Bushco and the repubs have dug themselves such a deep, deep hole that only a true national emergency can get them out.....

[Bouncy Ball]

17. EXACTLY what I was trying to say and didn't say as well

as you did.

[eternalburn]

10. I know that feeling.....

...you aren't alone :(

[Left Is Write]

11. I hope you're wrong too.

I have to admit thinking the same thing myself, and I've never been so fervent in my desire to be wrong.

[Bouncy Ball]

28. Me, either.

When I was at A&M, I used to protest the bonfire, because I felt it was horribly dangerous, a bad accident waiting to happen (hundreds of whole trees stacked up on muddy ground, soaked with jet fuel for three days, and then lit on fire by thousands of drunken college students, I don't know, sounds safe, right?).

I used to tell the other people protesting with me "God I hope we're wrong, I really do."

In 1997, the bonfire collapsed while being built, killing several students and paralyzing others. When I found out, I fell to my knees in my living room and cried. I kept telling my husband "I wanted to be WRONG!!!"

Before the war in Iraq, I wanted to be wrong. I wanted them to go in there and find TONS of WMDS and airtight PROOF SH was going to use them against us.

I wanted to be wrong, and wasn't again.

:-(

[FreedomAngel82]

54. With Bush and his people

it's easy to predict what will happen. Feelings on these issues also help too. Before the election I had a feeling something big will bring Bush and company down and I still don't sense anything past 2006 with him. So I don't know what it could be. But all you have to do is know Bush and his administration and how they work. One thing you can count on with them is they never change their ways. They might change plans and whatnot but everything else is the same. Just different inputs and outcomes.

[Richard D]

12. Been thinking the same thing. If it gets too out of hand . . .

[silverlib]

13. You are not alone...

check out this thread...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=245&topic_id=4473&mesg_id=4473

Something has to give soon.

[Heddi]

16. You're not the only one

Things haven't been going well for Boy King since his re-coronation last year.

He can only ride the 9/11-terrorists-with-us-or-against-us train for so long, and it seems that his engine is running out of steam as we speak.

I was talking with my grandmother last week--I thought she was farily apolitical but found out in November that she's voted in every election since she was legally able to do so (She's 68 this year). She watched F911 and was completely OUTRAGED at what she saw.

We were talking about the phony terror-alert-system and I asked her "So, they completely ignored alll the warnings leading up to 9/11, even the very detailed memo that said Bin Laden was going to use planes to attack America. And we're supposed to believe that if there's ANOTHER planned terrorist attack, and they know about it, that they'll TELL us? Give me a frigging break" and she said "Honey, you're absolutely right".

She said in all of her 68 years, living through the depression, WWII, Vietnam, Korean War, etc, she's NEVER been in times like the times we're living today, and she's certain that GW and his cronies are evil incarnate living on this planet.

It's truly terrifying.

I remember 9/11. I remember seeing the planes fly into buildings and I told my husband "Everything's changed now. They can do whatever they want in the name of security" and oh god...I thought I had a handle on how bad it would be...i had NO idea..NO idea

[Deja Q]

18. My dear fellow, with the INTERNATIONAL events, I am fearing far worse:

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

The proverbial Vogons not need fear their interspace highway being put on hold because of our planet's existence. We'll destroy our planet for them thanks to petty squabbles over a resource that petty politicians never considered finite (thanks reagan, bush, clinton, and bush - traitors).

[Stand and Fight]

60. Great series of books...

The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, that is... Good analogy.

[Tux]

130. No

It's more like this.

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

Jesus is back and death to non-Christians!



Yeah, we have a great future once Christians understand Jesus is dead and never returning.

[Just Me]

19. The beginnings of his second term even worse than the first.

If it happens,...I will be a MIHOP convert. Seriously.

[Bouncy Ball]

30. Me, too.

But oddly, "if it happens" is a place I can't even let my mind get to. It's just too horrific. I fear it, but I can't even think about it.

And yes, I agree, the beginnings of this term have been worse, but second terms are notorious for that. You have no honeymoon, essentially, and hell, he didn't have much of one LAST time.

[RevCheesehead]

115. shotgun marriages are not honeymoon-friendly. n/t

[formerrepuke]

20. We can expect at least an elevated terror alert on that color chart...n/t

[xultar]

26. Terra-Lert Twister perhaps? n/t

[seventythree]

42. what about that anthrax/pentagon thing the other day?

I only read it here -- saw it no where else -- that after multitudes of negative tests, one came up positive for anthrax -- same strain as that used in the anthrax killings. Was that maybe a trial baloon (remember the UPI just prints what it is told by the governemnt)to see if trying to freak folks out in the midst of Schiavo mania would even get any play?

[Bouncy Ball]

51. They dropped the terror alert color coded chart thingie.

No one paid attention to it, anyway. Things like that always get ignored after a while, human nature.

[Ripley]

21. I was on the same wavelength, but on a much smaller scale.

Say, like the Terror Alert goes up to Orange or spring breakers are warned about exploding beer cans...

But yer right. It's looking tough for these maniacs and they could try to bring up their numbers. And we do all know how that has happened in the past. Never pretty.

BTW, do they still have that terror color thingy in the corner of TV? If not, why not? Oh, I know, it was all part of the campaign scarey stuff. But DAMMMIT!

[xultar]

22. I think you're right but another LIHOP or MIHOP would backfire.

They may not like Chimpy but all this shit that is happening has 'nothing to do with security' protection from the terrists.

SO,

If a LIHOP or MIHOP occurred all this other shit that took his eye off the ball would make people re think their crazy notion that the Rethugs are the party of Security and all that crap.

[fooj]

23. Well, I'm not sure that you are far off the mark! Distraction and

disaster is about the only thing these madmen do right! I hope you're wrong, too! Unfortunately, I'm bracing for the worst case scenario...BTW, I'm a LIHOP! You just can't put anything past these bastards! "clusterfuck"-LMAO!!! I thought I was the only one who used that term!

Peace!

[classof56]

27. I'm guessing you're not wrong at all.

Yep, it's scarier than all get-out, but those who voted for Bush will never buy into the LIHOP idea, or at least I don't think they will. It (whatever awful thing "it" is) will be God's punishment for letting Terri die.

I love your kitty pic--keep you and that cutie safe, okay? All we can do now is look out for ourselves, hope, and pray for some mercy in the terrible times ahead.

Sorry...I'm just a tired, old cynic nowadays. Really, really wanted a better world for my kids and grandkids, but there's only so much we can control. I'm thankful for DU--helps keep me sane and grounded!

[Bouncy Ball]

44. ...

:cry:

My daughter deserves better than what bushco is doing to our world.

:cry:

I'm thankful for DU, too.

[frankly_fedup2]

29. I agree. I hope you are wrong; however, if something horrible does happen

then we may actually get a thorough investiagion of 9/11 and why what they say doesn't add up to what we saw.

There are too many inconsistencies regarding 9/11/01 and that is what scares me.

[Pachamama]

31. Your not crazy..I and many others feel this coming & see it in the next 6

months....I also believe it will be biological or nuclear or chemical in nature, it will be on the West Coast (San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, LA, San Diego?) and we will all be in deep shit...they will close borders, declare martial law, declare war on someone in the ME (think Iran, Syria) and since the economy is already teetering on collapse due to Bushenomics, they will conveniently blame it on the terrorist attacks...

Last time it was LIHOP....this time will be MIHOP...and this time we are all in big trouble, not just who gets hit....

I wish you were wrong, I wish I was wrong...but I can say that I fear we will be right....

[Bouncy Ball]

33. Just reading that gave me chills.

I sooooooooo hope you are wrong. And me, too.

[Pachamama]

47. I'm sorry and hope I'm wrong too....

What scares me is that I had seen this in dreams over 5 years ago...and so have others that I know from the Amazon....I'm not kidding when I say that....I have talked to people who are spiritual seers and they are all seeing it too...I even go to a woman in Berkeley who is a Psychologist as well as a spiritual student of Sai Baba and travels to see him in India every year. Sai Baba (who is about Love) has seen this too and many people who have been meditating have been seing the same thing. And the Psychologist in her says specifically that I am not paranoid or crazy.

Many of us are trying to put love and intentions into the Universe with our open hearts to counter this evil....but its becoming very strong what we are fighting....

The opposite of love is fear....I try to let in love and not let that fear get to me....unfortunately, the reality of the situation is pretty serious...and I'm not sure there is enough love out there to counter the evil intentions and fear.....some pretty powerful stuff is going on....doesn't matter what your spiritual beliefs are, but it is a battle of light and darkness....ironically, the good will of some "believers" who want good is being used by dark forces and they can't see it....

[Tux]

131. Odd

After Shrub was re-elected, I kept getting a weird, cold sensation once in awhile. I still get it but it seems weaker or I just got used to it. I do feel as though things will fall apart soon. Check out John Titor. I also see a renewed time with Christianity being damaged beyong repair. Fundies would destroy the whole thing just to get raptured.

[shanti]

147. interesting!!

thanks for the heads up on john titor...i never knew.

[justsomegirl]

84. Don't forget Poland...er, North Korea

Wouldn't necessarily have to be in the Middle East; isn't it true that North Korea has missles that can hit the west coast?

And we're in a little bit of a tussle with China over Taiwan as well.

My tinfoilhat theory is the North Korea will strike at this year's shindig at Bohemian Grove.

[earth mom]

120. Wow, your post gives me the chills...I'm on the West Coast...

and I've been trying to guess for awhile now just where the next MIHOP or LIHOP attack will take place. I have thought that the West Coast could be a target...but to see that others think the same...well, to say the least, I am scared shitless.... :scared:

Also...there was another thread about testing going on at an airport near Washington D.C. on April 23rd. I even thought that meant that the attack would be on the east coast, but now, I'm not so sure... However, the time frame does fit-give or take day or two-since that would give * & Co time to implement the draft by the middle or end of June.

That said...OMG, right now I am freaking out!!! Do these bastards intend to just wipe out the entire West Coast North to South???!!!
:scared: :scared: :scared:

[Pachamama]

126. I hesistated mentioning what I and others have felt, because we have to

balance "fighting these people" and their evil and fear, by not putting more fear out there, but rather love and positive intentions, but there is also the fact that one needs to balance that with being realistic and aware and prepared for what can happen because of these people.

I think every one of us who is well educated, understands history and what has happened throughout US history and worldwide by Govt's in many Nations that behave tyrannical and fascist, and by simply watching what these neo-cons in the White House, Pentagon, GOP controlled Congress & Senate and the Corporate controlled Media are doing to our country - KNOWS that the situation is dire and this last week's events with the Social Security Piratization tour, the ANWR vote, the Bankruptcy Bill, the appointments of John Bolton and Paul Wolfowitz and now this beyond bizarre and heinous and UNCONSTITUTIONAL Efforts by the White House and Congress to circumvent the Constitution and insert themselves into this family matter should be warning to us all that the situation we have been worried about is more real than we can imagine. They are working at warp speed...they are testing their limits and seeing how much resistance and opposition they get and how far they can push the limits. And all the while, they are putting the things in place that they will need to do what they want.

I'm really concerned and afraid....they are scary, scary people who will stop at nothing. That's why we need to be prepared. I'm doing what I can to be grounded spiritually and mentally for what is coming. Financially, we are consolidating our monies and selling off properties. We are about to "downsize" our house and lock into a lower monthly payment on a house where we will have solar power and could grow food and have chickens etc. if needed and be near things within even walking distance. We are getting money out of the country. We are avoiding large city areas as much as possible (I live in Marin, and don't go into San Francisco unless I absolutely need to). Am I crazy? Funny thing is that my Psychologist doesn't think so and neither do two people I know who are psychologists, in fact they say I'm completely sane and very calm and logical.

I know this much - I have very strong intuitions and its when I have not listened to them that I have always regretted it. I also have some family history that I believe is supposed to be a lesson for me to remember: I'm half Danish, half German....My father's family escaped Nazi Germany in January of 1939, he was a young boy. My Grandfather, a Bavarian engineer/scientist and teacher and his brothers who were Doctors and Lawyers in Munich saw what was going on with the nut job Hitler and the Nazi party. They had seen it for years throughout the 1930's and they were increasingly alarmed by it. A great Uncle of mine died in Nazi custody for questioning them about what they were doing to Jewish colleagues of his at the University in Schwabing in Munich. Within two months after KristallNacht, they left Germany. They had money outside of the country and they up and left....they were Catholic, not Jewish, but they knew it was time to leave and leave fast, literally, leaving their homes in Gruenwald (south of Munich) and near the Starnberg Lake and took their belongings such as jewelry and photos and up and left. Ironically, my Mother's family, is Danish and her parents and grandparents and other family members (she is younger than my Dad and wasn't born until after WWII) but her family was part of the Danish resistance that helped the exodus of the Jews into Sweden to avoid the planned Nazi extermination.

I know, in my heart, in my soul that the lessons and history of my Grandparents was to prepare me to recognize evil and fascism. Make no mistake America, it has come to our front door and if we don't prepare and fight it, it will be too late. I am prepared and am like I said "preparing mentally and spiritually"....but I have to live my life, be there for my family and be grounded for them. I can't let my kids (under 5) feel the fear or know the evil....but I need to be able to protect them and I know what's coming.

[earth mom]

149. Pachamama, I appreciate your posts. I think we need

as much honesty as possible around here. I don't feel it's tinfoilhat time at all after learning about 911 and MIHOP or LIHOP. We need to be aware!

Like Zann725 posted-a tsunami could even be the next form of attack. I know some people around here thought the Asian tsunami could have been engineered...and if so, then it would be not so impossible to do for entire west coast....OMG! :scared:

Meanwhile...Sending out good vibes to all.

Please everyone let's keep this thread kicked!

[Tux]

132. Just before

Bush Day last Jan 21st, I kept having a feeling and some dreams that Bush would launch nuclear weapons at the blue states and declare martial law to kill non-Christians as a sacrifice to god.

[zann725]

135. Calif.'s fault-line...could be "coaxed" along with underground blasts

Or some under-the-ocean drilling could accidentally cause a "quake"...slightly off-shore...causing a nice-size Tsunami. The first one still "bothers" me. But saying that makes me "tin foil," so I won't say it. I didn't...

But what if the first was just a test?

Plus the West Coast has a lot of Liberals...is primarily "Blue." They wouldn't even have to "fix" the '08 Election, if the whole West Coast drops off. Of course a certain Calif. Gov. would have to be conveniently out of town. Maybe he could go visit Jeb?

[RaleighNCDUer]

32. I wish I could say you were.

But face it, something's gotta happen to complete the PNAC plan. Can't do that without a draft. Can't get a draft without another 9/11.

LIHOP, MIHOP, who knows. Either way, they need it.

[ultraist]

34. That is a frightening prospect

Bush will go to any lengths to gain control and he is out of control right now. I will be highly suspicious of any "terrorist" act, if one should occur.

:scared:

Just the fact that so many realize that a MIHOP event is possible with Bush, is scary.

Will it be another war or a "terrorist" act?

[wabranty]

35. It's Syria (or maybe Iran)

. . .or time for W to bring Osama out of the White House basement and parade him around the White House grounds. Whatever the distraction, AmPrav will drop all the coverage on W's mistakes for 24/7 rally-round-the-glorious-leader coverage.

Just the other day I was talking to a former Marine who lost friends in the Beirut bombing of 1982 and how Reagan quickly shifted focus from that mess to the glorious liberation of Grenada. Is there a small South American country that we can liberate?

Or maybe its time for Operation: Annex Canada.

No matter what we come up with, the reality is probaly even more ludicrous and scarier.

[Suziq]

37. I Totally Agree

Since nothing seems to be going Chimpy's way, a measly "terrorist scare" will not cut it anymore. They are desperate.

I am fearful that another terrorist attack will be the Neo-Cons next step. :scared:

BTW - I am a MIHOP believer.




:hippie:

[ultraist]

40. MIHOP "terrorist" act or another war? Which one suits his needs better?

[RaleighNCDUer]

63. The first leads to the second.

Realize that PNAC plans are still incomplete. Syria and Iran are next.

[ultraist]

90. oh, fuck , you are right...n/t

[FreedomAngel82]

45. I'm with you

Nothing is going his way. And we know what happens when W doesn't get his way. I think it'd be premature if they do an attack though. But also nobody is joining the military and they want to still bang those war bongo's. So what are they going to do? The only reason why Bush got things done last time was because of the fear and wanting to "get revenge" for 9/11.

[EstimatedProphet]

46. Absolutely-this is coming all right

The difference is, this time Bush will have mustered a base of fanatical brainwashed followers who believe he is the second coming of Christ. That's what Schiavo is about-the issue is to steel the true believers, and convince them that facts don't matter when weighed against the opinion of Our Great Leader.

[FreedomAngel82]

58. Something I'm wondering

But I can't remember. I remember telling a few people on another board that the draft would come and the people on the right mocked me and laughed at me and said "yeah right." I can't remember but did Kerry and Edwards ever mention this?

[RaleighNCDUer]

66. IIRC, Kerry suggested that a draft was possible. To which *

replied that he would not institute a draft. But then said, Kerry wants to increase the military by 40,000, so HE'S the one who will start a draft.

Well, Kerry is not going to be drafting anyone, that's for sure.

[Stand and Fight]

50. The similarities are startling.

I hope you're wrong as well...

[Catherine Vincent]

52. I hope you're wrong too, sister.

[Bouncy Ball]

56. Ok, so it's agreed!

(small lol)

May Bouncy Ball be WRONG!

[RaleighNCDUer]

57. To tell the truth, I'm worried about this coming weekend.

Great symbolism, an attack on Easter Sunday.

The draft needs a 75 day implementation. The rumors say, June. That means, before the end of the month. Also, those drafted need minimum 18 weeks for boot and specialty training. 18 weeks from June takes us to mid October-November, well after the debilitating summer heat for a new invasion of Iran or Syria.

I worry about this weekend.

[The Doctor.]

61. THERE IS NO HARM IN TELLING EVERYONE!!!!

The best case scenario is we are dead-wrong, nothing bad happens, and our friends and families think we're nuts.

The second-best case scenario is we get this 'wacky conspiracy theory' some serious air and get everyone talking about us 'crazy folk' so that IF the administration is planning something- they will have to reconsider it and find another way.
(Kind of like when we all said they would produce Osama before the elections... and it happened differently than we expected.)

The worst case scenario is we are right - and then we can get larger numbers of people seriously questioning what's going on.
Our friends and families will be more likely to listen, and the Administration will have shot itself in the foot.


SO TELL EVERYONE WHAT YOU FEAR!!!

[shraby]

69. Only problem with another MIHOP or LIHOP

happening is a great many people now are aware that things weren't what they looked like on 9/11 and will be watching any event super close, ready to blow the whistle. They won't get away with it twice. They made too many mistakes the first time around. These people aren't very competent in anything they do, so if anything happens, keep your eyes and ears on the alert...they're going to screw up big time.

[Bouncy Ball]

75. It won't be like the first time.

It'll be something different. I don't know what, but they can't risk something like 9/11 again.

Remember all that big talk about "Kerry won't keep you safe" before the election?

[The Doctor.]

92. Hope you're right nt

[Bok_Tukalo]

64. I don't see anything short of threat of invasion that would bring a draft

And the political leadership in the Republican Party is already jockeying for position; showing Bush to be a lame duck.

Terri is all '08 and Bush was just doing a "me too."

[Lone Pawn]

68. Shh. Don't spoil their fun.

I swear, people on this board are at their happiest when at their most alarmist.

[Bouncy Ball]

73. I'm not being alarmist.

In fact, I just had a happy trip over to the lounge.

BUT, considering the cravenness of this administration, well, I've reached a point where I put NOTHING past them. And things really are looking shitty for the Chimp.

[frictionlessO]

103. Thats a fucking funny statement considering your avatar...

seriously made me laugh loud enough to get a small reprimand in the office here...

hehehehe

[Catamount]

67. You are not wrong, it's just a matter of time!

:(

[Stand and Fight]

70. A nagging darkness...

There is an unsettling feeling that has been in the back of my mind for the last couple of weeks. Something keeps whispering to me, "Something is not right. Something is dreadfully wrong. Be careful. Be ready." Everything seems out of whack and there is this horrible stirring in my blood when I meditate. It's as if there is something just below the surface of the water that I can see but not quite make out. You know that feeling you get when you walk into a room where there was just an altercation? It's like that -- a sort of tenseness, but all of the time. A sort of great unease. I am also having nightmares that are terrifying, but when I wake up I cannot recall them. But I know that when I watch the news, when I read it, there is something dark there -- ever present and just on the edge of my field of vision... an approaching and threatening darkness. Fear. Sweaty sticky nasty noxious fear.

[catmandu57]

71. One thing in our favor

and I don't know how much weight to give this, but, people are more aware now. There are many of us expecting these loonies to pull some despicable trick out of their bag, so it can't come as a total suprise.
Now, if we who are aware can make others listen to us, I don't know. It may be a wise idea to stock up as best as one can, just in case.

[Bouncy Ball]

76. After listening to people say they

think someone with most of their brain missing can just talk and walk around and that someone can re-grow their brain, I'm not so sure about that.

[LdyGuique]

72. If we invaded Mexico, it would eliminate the illegal immigration issue

and would give us another oil field.

[tnlefty]

98. Ooohhh, and Kahlua and tequila, too

yum

[TreasonousBastard]

74. I hope you're wrong, too, but...

I refuse to spend time worrying about things I cannot control.

[Bouncy Ball]

77. True.

And I'm not sitting around worrying about it (got too much to do, LOL), BUT it did just hit me all at once, the similarity between now and then (except now is worse).

[HughBeaumont]

79. They would NEVER get away with either a LIHOP OR a MIHOP

Even the biggest Lancelot Link-asslicking Jackass couldn't even forcefully dispel the notion that something's rotten in Denmark if another ELE-ish disaster happens. Not even Cheney is THAT fucking stupid. EVIL as Pol Pot, perhaps, but not that stupid. You'd have people flooding the streets in anger and no ass-kissing media/reality TV/distraction would be there to save them. There would be muchas pissed off people and a lot of scared military/state troopers that would have to make a decision whether to kill innocent citizens or protect the worst and most ruthless political cabal since the Nazis.

[Ganja Ninja]

82. They might be just stupid enough and drunk on power to ...

try another Anthrax attack. Its kind of the hallmark of fascist dictators to over reach.

[clem_c_rock]

80. Well, I'm a MIHOPer all the way as the official stories

Are just so ridiculous when you apply childlike critical thinking skills. Add to the fact that the coverups that followed the 911 events are too incredible to believe.

IE. We're told that Bin Ladin did it, yet B*** has some of the most incredible, mind boggling ties to the Bin Ladin family, and then they forcefully close any investigation on the Bin Ladin family.

Just one of the mind blowing "coincidences" surrounding the official version of 911.

Now you add the fact that NOONE, and I repeat NOOONE benefitted more from 911 than the PNAC agenda. Not one of their plans could have been pulled off w/out 911.

These people are complete fanatics, and in the desparate times they are facing, they will not hesitate to resort to incredibly desparate measures.

You're not at all unwise to be paranoid.

[ultraist]

93. I don't think it's paranoia to consider realistic possiblities

We know Bush is capable of such. We also know that he is losing serious ground (ie control):

43% approval rating
75+% of ALL Americans agreed with the Courts and disagreed with him on the Shiavo case
70+% of ALL Americans feel Iraq is going very poorly
Very little support on his Social Security "reform" bill

Desperate people take desperate measures.

[BamaBecky]

104. So am I! n/t

[dxstone]

81. Courage, friends...

I agree with you all... but I also disagree.
I don't blame you for feeling this way, and I can't say I would put it past 'em...
But tell me, what can you do about it, right now?
Yes, express your misgivings; you're likely right, and it probably is just a matter of time either way...
And keep watchful... or take a break for a day or two, if you must... it is important for us to remain strong and focused and firm...
Courage is not a matter of feeling no fear; it is a matter of being afraid, terribly so, but still not letting that fear control you or render you helpless or senseless.
Whatever occurs, we must remain alert and cool-headed; they cannot possibly manage their next crisis as effectively as they did the first.
Much of this culture is involved in hiding from you all one simple fact:
You are made of MUCH sterner stuff than you know.
And as many of you are probably already aware, the Chinese word for crisis is the same as the word for opportunity.
For myself, I KNOW this much to be true: There is ALWAYS hope, as long as life and breath remains.
Courage, good friends...
It's truly all we've got now.

LOOK INTO MY EYES!

YOU ARE BECOMING
VERY, VERY FEARFUL!

C'mon folks... it's only a monster.
It can only frighten you as much as you LET it.
And remember, it's actually MUCH more frightened of you than you are of it.
DXS

[Nostradammit]

138. Yes! Yes!

"You are made of MUCH sterner stuff than you know."


Hear! Hear!

We have vast reservoirs of strength at our disposal. And the rest of the Universe is opposed to these bastards as well. The day is coming when all people realize the necessity of caring for all people.

[Ilsa]

83. Remember after 9/11, Garrison Keillor was singing,

"We're All Republicans Now" regarding how we all rallied around the Chimperor?

[inchhigh]

85. With that being said....

by you and many others, is there really any chance that we would fall for it again? I mean fool me, what...., like about a hundred times? It's clearly past the "shame on me" stage.

This is why it still angers me that the '98 PNAC letter isn't all over the news. Or the recent developments in the UK that show the plan that was in the works even before 9/11.

Even so, could we really fall for it again?

[RaleighNCDUer]

101. We couldn't. But the 30% of solid Bushites would gladly do so,

and they could panic a good portion of the 40% unknowing middle to go along with them.

The repubs have spent years rigging the game in their favor. They have the press, and if there's a terror attack they can say "this is why we need to fight these murderers!" and if there isn't a terror attack they can say "see? It's working! That's why we can't let up on these murderers!"

Shortly after the election there were a couple "I'm not afraid" threads here. Person after person stood up to say "I will keep fighting, I'm not afraid of the fascists". Well, scared as I am, I am still not afraid. But there's something else.

I'm tired.

In the past four months things have been coming at us at an incredible rate; new tragedies, new insanities, new distractions. I can't begin to keep count of them. It's like trying to keep track of a room full of hyper-active six year olds. Every day I wake up wondering what the new crisis will be.

And if I am worn down by it, knowing what they are doing, I can only imagine the tension level of that middle 40% who barely have a clue. They are the ones who bought the plastic and duct tape. They are the ones who said "the government must know something about WMD that they aren't telling us -- they're the government, after all".

It almost makes me wish something would happen, just to relieve the tension and clear the air.

[deutsey]

86. I had the same feeling a couple days ago

These fascists are capable of anything.

[TNOE]

87. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised either

don't have time to read all the posts here, skimmed some - BUT the thing is, so many THOUSANDS of Americans already suspect Bush & Co. engineered 9/11 (and they did) - they are going to have a hell of a time pulling off another.

Since the Repubs voted for this group based on the fact that they were all scared to death of the "terrorists" and looking for a father figure to save them, and if this group doesn't, I don't think they're all going to be rallying around the flag this time...... they might just be pissed. But then I would be giving them credit for having any smarts whatsoever, and I could be wrong.

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

88. Whats LIHOP and MIHOP???

Thanks!

[Stand and Fight]

89. Defined..

LIHOP: Let It Happen On Purpose
MIHOP: Make It Happen On Purpose

[babylonsister]

94. To add:

LIHOP = Let It Happen = Allowed
MIHOP = Made It Happen = Engineered

[LiberallyInclined]

108. to add more:

it's in reference to 9/11.

LIHOP: The administration knew about the attacks in advance, and let them happen.

MIHOP: The administration, via Poppy Bush's CIA & mudjahdeen contacts, engineered the 9/11 attacks, ala Poppy's very own Project Northwoods idea from the early 60's.

[kaitykaity]

91. Dupe. n/t (no text)

[colinmom71]

95. If it helps...

I've had the same feelings for a little while now. Admittedly, I do lean towards LIHOP (sorry, but there's a point where a multiptude of conincidences cease to remain coincidental...). But I don't think we have anything to fear with regards to another large scale terrorist attack.

Why? Because this administration would benefit FAR more from being shown to having acted to *prevent* such an event rather than one actually happening.

This is how I'm seeing it. All this distraction - no substantive terror alerts of late but with occassional whispers of a looming potential attack, big "push button" political issues being exploited front and center (SS, "culture of life", the "All Schiavo All The Time" show, activist judges, etc.), continued cultivation of fear on the financial solvency of SS and perhaps the government itself... All designed to appeal and speak to the conservative and "nervous mommy" voting base. And also designed to stir up the opposition in a manner that allows us to be labelled as morally dubious, politically impotent, and "out of touch with the issues".

Then comes the sudden breaking news in a few weeks or months that law enforcement officials have busted apart an active plot for a major terrorist attack here in the US. The media will be all but offering up small children in sacrifice in order to get an exclusive (that everyone else has picked up through AP sources *sigh!*) to report the evidence at hand - laptops with detailed plans, attack was very imminent and large scale (thousands could have died!), the conspirators have all been rounded up to Guantanamo (oops! They committed some kind of ritualistic suicide while detained...)...

(Please read the following with extreme sarcasm...) Well, Bush Co. stopped it from happening! Obviously, he was right all along... At least this will be the spin. He's a hero!! He saved America. And according to the sensationalistic logical implication of political pundits, if he's right on terrorism, he must not be wrong on the Iraq occupation, on SS, on budget issues, etc. What a joke that recent abysmal 43% approval rating was! Talk about gaining "political capital"... Here, that ounce of prevention will pay off with pounds of affirmation. (end sarcasm)

I may well be wrong here, but that's how I can see the next few months unfolding....

[ChiciB1]

96. Have You Heard They Raised The Age

for recruiting with The National Guard from 34 to 39 years of age??? Or are they still in the process.

And here I go again... What is MIHOP & LIHOP? Some day I'm going to learn all the lingo here!

[Flying Dream Blues]

137. MIHOP/LIHOP

MIHOP=Made it happen on purpose
LIHOP=Let it happen on purpose

Both refer to the guvmint's alleged role in the events of 9/11..
I'm leaning toward MIHOP, with LIHOP tendencies, myself.

[Generator]

97. Won't get fooled again?

I guess that's my hope. Foolish I know it is. But if there is another attack and if they have their grubby mits on it in anyway, people like me (former led down the dirty pike to support war and realized I was HAD and lied to about everything) middle aged middle class types are not going to buy it.

Like unless they shut the internet down I know half of the world will be on the case and looking at suspect number 1 as BFEE and all their cronies.

They also have all the power and all the propaganda..so I'm not sure they need a terrorist attack to do their dirty deeds. Also-Iraq really hasn't turned out they way the numbskulls were so certain it would. Maybe they are not so gung ho to start another war they can't get out of.

But I've thought the same thing as I'm sure we all had. I was holding my breath all of October and Bin Laden still showed up and they still did whatever rotten stuff that we may never even known about to cook the books.

I would never put anything past these people.

Vigilance is certainly warranted.

[oldlady]

99. think about what we already know

it's amazing how quickly statements slip from our memory. Last year, around this time, I attended the National Media Conference and had the crap scared out of me by Bill Moyers and Studs Terkel. The media consolidation issue has exploded since then...we really weren't thinking/talking about it much this time last year. (yeah, I've been here, I just don't post much). Now, it's common knowledge and everyone is talking about media, media, media. What was Richard Clarke talking about most in his book-- what was his big warning-- another terrorist attack on a building? no. biological warfare? not really, that was Tommy Thompsons idea & he's a putz. Clarke was and is frantic about the stability of information and cyberspace. One day we're going to wake up and the internet will be one long dial tone. Your bank will say, sorry. Commerce will stop. Hospitals won't be getting those tests back from India at gigabyte speed. Anyone working on the back door for that? I think I want to buy a cow and a garden.
peace

[JerseygirlCT]

100. I'm pretty sure you're not wrong

there WILL be a distraction here. The Schiavo thing isn't doing it for them as they hoped it would. There will be a new war, or a new terrorist action... and I'm still betting on a draft in June.

I really, really, hope I'm wrong.

[nadinbrzezinski]

102. Oh we are all expecting a major attack now

there is no other way Chimpster can do what he wants

[mandyky]

105. Every time his numbers head south of 45%

I get the same feeling. I made a post over at Kos a week or so ago, and that was prior to this Shiavo thing.

[Cha]

106. Good..Gut Feeling..

Bouncy!

I certainly hadn't thought of that..but now that you mention it..it needs to be predicted from the highest roof tops!

[Pikku]

107. Bush's approval ratings are LOWER now than pre- 9/11

Just saying....
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm

[Theres-a]

134. Beautiful avatar!

That's my favorite,I buy one every year,but they never survive winter indoors.

[R. A. Fuqua]

110. brilliant! access to this kind

of thinking and analysis is why I come to DU in the first place.

You certainly know a lot about what makes the Bush Crime Family tick.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

111. My 67 year old father just made a point along this line.

He was watching PBS last night and said it looked like Bush was taking a beating. Polls were down his SS wasn't going over and on a whole everything he touches is turning to *hit. He said it reminded him of what he was seeing in the news back in 2001 before the terrorist attack.

He's not a tinfoil hat person, not by a long shot. He's just started to consider LIHOP recently when he found out about all the ignored warnings.

He said it won't surprise him at this point if we have a huge terror scare. I asked if he meant by real terrorist or created ones. He said the real ones, the ones in the White House.

He's 67 years old and voted republican all his life until 2004. The fact that he's concerned scares the HELL out of me.

No, you're not alone.

[leftofthedial]

112. I AM MIHOP

and I think another horrible event is coming

but I don't think they can do another 9-11 domestically.

[Pachamama]

129. Wanna bet they can do a 9-11 type event on US soil? It would be easy...

...and they know it.... :scared:

[Raksha]

113. BB, could you or someone please explain the OP part of the acronyms...

...LIHOP and MIHOP? I figured out that the "LIH" part means "let it happen" in reference to 9/11, and the "MIH" part of the other word means "make it happen," but what does OP stand for?

BB and Pachamama, the two of you are scaring the hell out of me! I so much want to believe you're wrong about another "terrorist attack" in the near future, but as you say all the signs are there, and Bush's approval rating is down to 43%.

What really freaks me out is that one of the first threads I read on DU when I began lurking here after the election was one concerning the eerie premonitions some people had been having for years regarding the spring of 2005. It was quite a long thread, with many people describing nightmares and scary visions and premonitions. It really gave me the chills to read it, although I can't remember having nightmares, etc. myself.

I suppose I could try doing a Tarot reading, but quite frankly I'm afraid of what I might see, especially in my present mood.

I so much want you to be wrong, but I am SOOOO afraid you're right!

[Lone_Star_Dem]

118. Made It Happen On Purpose = MIHOP Let It Happen On Purpose =LIHOP

:)

[Raksha]

127. Saw it a few minutes ago upstream, Lone Star Dem...

but thanks for the explanation of LIHOP and MIHOP.

[Lars39]

117. And to add to your misgivings, the PNAC need for a draft.....

they need another "Pearl Harbor" to bolster Bush's ratings
and to implement the draft, imo. Scary stuff.

[tsuki]

121. I don't know Bouncy. If he MIHOPS or LIHOPS, then

he and the GOP have not done a good job making us secure. Another incident might backfire on him. Not might, will. He has not secured our borders.

[tsuki]

122. I don't know Bouncy. If he MIHOPS or LIHOPS, then

he and the GOP have not done a good job making us secure (his last approval rating plus). Another incident might backfire on him. Not might, will. He has not secured our borders.

[LSdemocrat]

123. I've had similar thoughts, but can't really see how it would be pulled off

If a 9/11 type event happened again, I don't think you would see the same kind of unity that occured in the aftermath of 9/11.

For one, DU and others would get on the administration's case immediately.

Second, if it involves an overseas event, Bush's credibility is already gone.

[FunkyLeprechaun]

124. You're scaring me...

The Rethugs over at a board I argue with also mock me on the draft (I simply respond, "So you're ready for the draft?") by saying it won't happen and they hope I apologise when it "doesn't happen."

I don't think it's a plane this time around. What systems here do you think is the most vulnerable?

I say the Subways (even though MBTA says they'll search bags on the commuter rails, people still are able to take big bags onto the other lines). I've taken sharp objects with me on the train on my way to Providence. Are nuclear plants unprotected as well? I think it's still fairly easy to fly a private plane around (doesn't John Travolta still have his own plane to fly about in?).

Right now they're talking about withdrawing troops on CNN. I remember before 9/11 people were talking about how Jeffords switched (May 2001) and especially the Election report that was due to be revealed on September 11, 2001.

But then again, would Bush be insane to let a terrorist attack happen on this soil? He's been hawking that there were no terra attacks after 9/11 and under Kerry, there'd be a terra attack.

I'm scared now.

[lala_rawraw]

125. Hang in there, my gut is there but ...

I feel that way too, so hang in there. That said, let me provide a bit of calm here if I can. I have asked people in the "know" who are good sources because they are speaking from within the system and are generally honest with me and have been so in the past on various stories and such. They seem to think that this is not likely, if for no other reason than resources and support.

One thing someone said to me has made an impact is this: They have already distracted, dissuaded you, etc., by simply making you a). afraid of asking the questions and b). afraid of knowing the answers. In other words, they need not do anything as the fear of "something" is enough. Fear is a powerful tool. So while I share the gut feeling with you, I know as long as they keep using scare tactics, we are okay. I will worry when everything is silent on that front. Focus on what you need to do, despite the fear, because it is the tool and it is very effective.

Hope this helps some:)

[Donailin]

133. Absolutely nothing would surprise me

I say that every day, and yet everyday I find myself shocked and horrified at the latest insanity.

You could easily be right, I just had this discussion with a real life friend. However, what we agreed about was that the Americans will not go patriotic like last time. We are all now officially JADED. And the reasons for that are listed in your post.
If we get "hit" folks are gonna scream for Bush's head on platter.

What's the saying?? Oh yeah. . . "Fool me once, shame
on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again. ... "

-the fucking asswipe

[Theres-a]

136. Thanks for posting this.I read every single post.

I am really scared sometimes,and it's not so much the event that scares me,it's what would happen afterward,and how it's just been all downhill for so long already.I am so grateful to have others share their fears,I don't feel like I need tinfoil around here.Thanks DU.:hug:

[spooked911]

139. No doubt your feeling is right. Many of us feel the same!

Watch out!!!

[tavalon]

140. The only silver lining in this

is that we are ready and waiting. No blindsiding us again.

[watercolors]

141. weird vibes

Husband and I were discussing this very idea this morning at breakfast.We both wonder how he will get even, I imaginge his is angry at the judical system most of all. And then bro Jeb didn't come thru either. I'm in hopes that he is now a lame ducky.

[Beam Me Up]

142. They need two things: Draft and a justification for using Nukes.

That right there should be enough to give ANYONE pause.

And if/when it happens--what are WE going to do about it?

[dhinojosa]

143. I will say you are wrong....the GOP cannot afford another attack

Republican will never be elected to anything ever again, if that happens. So they will not allow it.

[Zuni]

144. Honestly, if not for 9/11 Bush would have gone down as a huge failure

not that he isn't....

But he never would have been reelected. He was running at best a 40% approval rating in August 2001.


He lost in 2000, his main legislation was allowing more mercury in water and there was even a Comedy central show about what a buffoon he was.

Even Republicans were cringing as he made a fool out of himself time after time.

[info being]

145. Of course you're right

I expect major drama and major body counts across this great land if our leader doesn't get his way. It's really very simple.