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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 11:47 PM
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The Genetically Modified Bomb OMFG Has anyone seen this?
Edited on Sat Sep-13-03 11:50 PM by God_bush_n_cheney
Imagine a bomb that only kills Caucasians with red hair. Or short people. Or Arabs. Or Chinese.

Now imagine that this new bomb could be set off anywhere in the world, and that within a matter of days, weeks, or months it would kill every person on the planet who fits the bomb's profile, although the rest of us would be left standing. And the bomb could go off silently, without anybody realizing it had been released - or even where it was released - until its victims started dying in mass numbers.

Who would imagine such a thing?

Paul Wolfowitz, for one. William Kristol for another.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4701.ht...


Talk about Dr. Strangelove. This needs to be stopped at all costs. What kind of Monster would even think of using such weapons? Wait, Bushco would. I think candidates need to be vetted on their support of PNAC! We should demand a complete and immediate repudiation of this agenda!

I will find it hard to vote for any candidate that does not repudiate PNAC, and publicaly distances themselves from it. What we have here is Fascism.

"A long time ago, a man named Benito Mussolini invented something called Fascism. In the time since, fascism has come to be defined by Nazis, by war, and by crimes against humanity that defy description. But when Mussolini invented fascism, those definitions had not yet established themselves. Mussolini, the inventor of fascism, defined it differently. 'The first stage of fascism,' said Mussolini, 'should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and Corporate power.' "

Willim Pitt
1 September 2003
here

We better wake up. The midnight arrests are not far off. I hope people wake the hell up and soon. But personally I think we are way past the point of no return. The corporations set the agenda not us. WE should be demanding the striping of "personhood" from corporations! NOW!

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ropi Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 11:52 PM
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1. Genetic Bomb...
Edited on Sat Sep-13-03 11:55 PM by ropipor
This is strange indeed. Now, this has me wondering if the repukes will seek to study if there is a "gay gene" after all. ?-)
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 11:58 PM
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2. They already have the device in operation
For gays...or hadn't you heard?
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 12:02 AM
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3. The trouble with genetics is that
there are always survivors from mutations.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 12:04 AM
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4. I had heard or read of this bomb long ago. I would imagine they already
have it available. It would seem to me to be a form of
germ warfare that seeks out a certain genetic/dna common
nuclei of a particular race.

Interesting. The US always tests its newest weapons in
foreign lands and wars. If they have it, I would not want
to be Korean. I would imagine this genetic bomb could not
differentiate between North and South Korean.

Sickness lives in the Pentagon. Mental illness. Madness.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 12:07 AM
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5. It must be stopped.
Now!
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:30 AM
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23. Unmitigated evil.
NT!
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:38 PM
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31. kick
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 12:12 AM
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6. This sounds real sick...but...
...it could be taken out of context. Imagine they could get one that only targets one person, like a dictator, and spare civilians. PNAC is still scary as fuck, but we might be reading too much into this out of context.

Now watch me get accused of all sorts of junk.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 12:33 AM
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11. I am reading exactly what it says...
read another link I poster farther down #9.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:42 AM
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24. Viruses mutate. Even if you design one that does that, there is a chance
it'll mutate or that it will have a design flaw and it will kill others.

Imagine it falls into the wrong hands and they decide to tune it to Democratic Senators and Presidents.
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 12:28 AM
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7. Pretty fucking sick isn't it?
:grr:
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 12:31 AM
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9. But look there is more from an older source 1986
Riconosciuto would make additional claims about Bio-Rad corporation, a medical supplier which had gradually taken over Hercules, California. They were also, Riconosciuto would say, covertly engaged in bio-warfare researchproducing some of the deadliest toxins known to man. The focus of Bio-Rad's research was said to be bio-active elements that could be tailored to attack those with certain types of DNA. Weapons could thus be produced that were specifically designed to wipe out specific races or genetic classes of human beings. (Alternatively, particular DNA types could be immunized against a deadly biological agent; the agent could then be released, and everyone else would die.)

http://www.worldnewsstand.net/03/SR/1-5.htm
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 12:30 AM
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8. What if it's SARS?
Hmmm?
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 12:38 AM
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13. HIV?
"State Origin is a gripping review of the direct government evidence of the laboratory origin of the AIDS pandemic. Veteran researcher and new author Boyd Ed Graves has spent the last eight years tracking the origins of AIDS through a densely-covered propaganda trail of the highest deception. The shocking conclusions of this research led Dr. Graves to file the Peoples' landmark federal case seeking immediate global AIDS apology, Boyd E. Graves vs. The President of the United States US Supreme Court Case No. 00-9587. His new book "State Origin: The Evidence of the Laboratory Birth of AIDS" should be required reading for the world to ensure we establish a firm foundation, to never again allow the greatest democracy in the history of the world another opportunity to masquerade.

Author Graves provides the irrefutable "missing link" the thirty year old federal HIV/AIDS research logic flowchart. It is the linkage of over 20,000 scientific papers which conclusively prove a "candidate" virus was developed and mass produced. The "creation", "production" and "proliferation" of AIDS is the ultimate assault on a social fabric woven in democracy. Here, Boyd Ed Graves shares some of the court documents and correspondence in response to the world's most deadly ethnic cleansing experiment. The AIDS holocaust has an activist, it is Boyd Ed Graves and this is his story."

http://sun-city.net/stateorigin/home.html
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 12:32 AM
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10. horrible
just horrible
We need to get rid of these horrible weapons.
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friendofbenn Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 12:33 AM
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12. meacher said something about this in his article
hideous. its hitler nazism as opposed to the usual mussolini.
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JackSwift Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:15 AM
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14. Frank Herbert The White Plague
.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:37 PM
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30. Also mentioned in John Brunner's "Stand on Zanzibar" (1969)
In 2010, the Chinese governemt had a pathogen that would kill only Caucasians (a minor detail in a sweeping plot).
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ProudGerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:29 AM
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15. What did you expect?
Nuclear bombs make a nice message, they grab all the WMD headlines given their ostentacious nature. But other than their threat, they are useless. You nuke a country, and everything inside that country is useless to you, including resources.

Now this bomb has possibilities. For instance, you could engineer it so that it only attacks a small, but sizable portion of a foreign populace. You could then move in under humanitarian auspices and "take control". You could pillage the world of anything you want, and people would thank you for it.

If they never get the impression that you released the new "killer bug".



Think about this, if a sane person like myself can think up a scenario like that, imagine what the monsters who first thought up this bomb could think of.
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Sufi Marmot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:29 AM
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16. Even if this was possible within our lifetimes....
...and I'm not entirely convinced it will be, if such technology was developed against one race/group it could probably be modified easily to target other groups - that is, the delivery mechanism (viral? bacterial?) could probably be adapted to recognize other sequences. So over the long run such weapons would have no strategic value, other than "mutually assured destruction". Keep in mind that genetic engineering technology is cheaper and easier than nuclear technology or even production of chemical/biological weapons, and look how well we've done preventing their proliferation.

As a biologist this is rather low on my list of biological concerns.

-SM
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IranianDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:31 AM
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17. That reminds me of the movie Canadian Bacon.
"The Helms Ammendment specifically prohibits the use of the Omega Force against Caucasians."

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Unknown Known Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:36 AM
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18. Possible link to the deaths of 10 microbiologists
I'm glad to see that this issue is no longer in the realm of "conspiracy theory".

It's my belief that the death of the 10 microbiologists was a "mop-up job".

This article also links David Kelly's death to this. If you've read the history of David Kelly, you'd know that he worked deep within the belly of the beast - his connections to Porton Down & Hadron. Scary shit goes on in these places.

http://www.rense.com/general40/dead.htm
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:55 PM
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33. Deaths of Microbiologists

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/home.htm

November 12, 2001: The beginning of numerous mysterious deaths of renowned
microbiologists. A good place to start learning about this is a Globe and
Mail article, which calls these deaths a "tale only the best conspiracy
theorist could dream up" yet hard to explain (The
Memphis Flyer also provides a good overview, but is much more speculative:
). The first dead microbiologist is Dr. Benito Que,
52, was "an expert in infectious diseases and cellular biology at the Miami
Medical School. Police originally suspected that he had been beaten on
November 12 in a carjacking in the medical school's parking lot. Strangely
enough, though, his body showed no signs of a beating. Doctors then began to
suspect a stroke."


November 16, 2001: Dead microbiologist: Dr. Don Wiley, 57, disappears during
a business trip to Memphis, Tennessee. He had just
bought tickets to take his son to Graceland the following day. Police found
his rental car on a bridge outside Memphis. His body was later found in the
Mississippi River. Forensic experts said he may have had a dizzy spell and
fallen off the bridge. Police will only say, "We began this investigation as
a missing person investigation. From there it went to a more criminal bent."
"Wiley is seen as one of the world's leading researchers of
deadly viruses, including HIV and the Ebola virus." Wiley
worked at the Howard Hughes Medical Institute at Harvard University, and was
an expert on the immune system's response to viral attacks. He was widely
regarded as the nation's foremost expert in using special X-ray cameras and
mathematical formulas to make high-resolution images of viruses. Globe, 12/21/01] The FBI is monitoring the investigation because of his
research knowledge.

November 21, 2001 (B): Dead microbiologist: World-class microbiologist and
high-profile Russian defector Dr. Vladimir Pasechnik, 64, dies of a stroke.
Pasechnik, who defected to Britain in 1989, had played a huge role in the
development of Russian biowarfare, heading a lab of 400 "with an unlimited
budget" and "the best staff available." He says he succeeded in producing an
aerosolized plague microbe that could survive outside the laboratory. He was
connected to Britain's spy agency and recently had started his own company.
"In the last few weeks of his life he had put his research on anthrax at the
disposal of the Government, in the light of the threat from
bioterrorism." Mail, 5/4/02]

November 24, 2001: Three more dead microbiologists: A Swissair flight from
Berlin to Zurich crashes during its landing approach; 22 are killed and nine
survive. Among those killed are Dr. Yaakov Matzner, 54, dean of the Hebrew
University school of medicine; Amiramp Eldor, 59, head of the haematology
department at Ichilov Hospital in Tel Aviv and a world-recognized expert in
blood clotting; and Avishai Berkman, 50, director of the Tel Aviv public
health department and businessman. 11/24/01]

November 30, 2001: A report suggests that the strain of anthrax used in the
attacks likely originated from USAMRIID and was shared with only a small
number of other labs. USAMRIID gave it to Battelle Memorial Institute, in
Columbus, Ohio; the University of New Mexico Health Sciences Center, in
Albuquerque, New Mexico; the Defense Research Establishment Suffield, in
Canada; the US Army Dugway Proving Ground, in Utah; and the Chemical Defense
Establishment at Porton Down, Britain. These in turn sent it to seven more
labs, for a total of a dozen. But only five labs total received the virulent
form, and some of these may have received strains that were too old (it is
known the anthrax used was two years old or less ).


December 10, 2001: Dead microbiologist: "Dr. Robert Schwartz, 57, was
stabbed and slashed with what police believe was a sword in his farmhouse in
Leesberg, Va. His daughter, who identifies herself as a pagan high
priestess, and three of her fellow pagans have been charged." Mail, 5/4/02] All were part of what they called a coven, and interested in
magic, fantasy and self-mutilation. The police have no motive as to why they
would have wanted to kill Schwartz, who was a single parent and said to be
very close to his children. Schwartz worked at Virginia's Center for
Innovative Technology on DNA sequencing and pathogenic microorganisms. He
was "a brilliant scientist who had a gift for explaining complex scientific
subjects in simple language."

December 13, 2001: The US Army responds to a journalistic investigation and
confirms that it has been making weapons grade anthrax in recent years, in
violation of an international treaty. The US offensive biological weapons
program was supposedly closed in 1969 when the US signed a biological
weapons treaty. In 1998 scientists at the Army's Dugway Proving Ground in
Utah turned small quantities of wet anthrax into powder. This weaponized
anthrax appears to be very similar or identical to the anthrax used in the
recent attacks.

December 14, 2001: Dead microbiologist: Nguyen Van Set, 44, dies in an
airlock filled with nitrogen in his lab in Geelong, Australia. The lab had
just been written up in the journal Nature for its work in genetic
manipulation and DNA sequencing. Scientists there had created a virulent
form of mousepox. "They realized that if similar genetic manipulation was
carried out on smallpox, an unstoppable killer could be unleashed,"
according to Nature. 5/4/02]

December 21, 2001 (B): The FBI is now investigating "whether potential
profit from the sale of anthrax medications or cleanup efforts may have
motivated" the anthrax attacks. Battelle, a company doing anthrax work for
the CIA, is the one company most discussed in the article and is strongly
featured in another. The same
day, the FBI says it is not investigating a former Battelle scientist in
relation to an anthrax scare, contrary to national broadcast news reports. A
US Senator further claims FBI Director Mueller told him "no one with or
formerly with Battelle is a suspect." Is Bayer
also under investigation (see October 21, 2001)?

January 2002: Two dead microbiologists: Ivan Glebov and Alexi Brushlinski.
Pravda reports that Glebov died as the result of a bandit attack and reports
without explanation that Brushlinski was killed in Moscow. Both were "well
known around the world" and members of the Russian Academy of Science.


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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:42 AM
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19. Hello. This is called genocide. Hitler tried it. We all hated it. Remember
Anyone?
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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:46 AM
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26. And you know what the irony of all this is...?
That Jews are deciding to go on a genocidal rampage.

Hitler is laughing in his grave...
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:57 AM
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20. If only they could come up with an "Asshole Bomb", we'd be onto something
Can they identify selfishness and greed with some kind of genetic markers?
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:00 AM
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21. Back in the early 90s...
...a brilliant but quite unbalanced programmer I worked with once casually suggested the very same idea -- specifically, developing an HIV-like virus that would only "work" on people of Arab nationality, to "clear up that problem from the world."

It was the first time I came close to taking a swing at a co-worker. Not only would his idea be unspeakably immoral even if it only targeted those with an "Arab gene," but such a disease would not stop at the middle east. Those who are at least partially descended from Arabs would include just about anyone with Spanish or Latino heritage, including my wife!

I can't think that any sort of "genetic bomb" could ever be designed against one particular racial or ethnic group, and not wind up decimating many other groups as well. There is simply no such thing as "racial purity" in the real world.

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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 02:27 AM
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22. And then comes this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3088920.stm

Every single person in the UK should be compelled to have their DNA
on the national database in an effort to prevent crime, a senior
police officer has argued.

Currently about two million people who have been charged with
criminal offences have their DNA profiles on the national database.

But Kevin Morris, chairman of the Police Superintendents Association,
told the Times newspaper opposition to extending the scheme to every
man, woman and child was overstated.

The association will call this week for the extension as a tool to
revolutionise the fight against crime and solve hundreds of murders.

Civil liberties campaigners have always opposed the suggestion,
arguing it is intrusive to make such demands of people who have done
nothing wrong.

Campaigners also fear that data could eventually be used by insurers
looking for genetic predispositions towards certain serious
illnesses.

They also argue that any such move would make all people feel like
suspects.

But Mr Morris told the newspaper: "If we have a compulsory database
to which every citizen is expected to donate their DNA as a
responsibility within our society, I fervently believe we will not
only detect crimes quicker but we will help prevent them in the first
place.

"With estimates suggesting that there are as many as 600 people in
the UK who have committed murder but who escaped initial detection,
the question has got to be asked why we can't do more.

"Experience has shown that the general public come forward in their
thousands when they believe their sample will help police to detect a
serious crime."

Mr Morris told the newspaper people would be more worried about
abuses of the DNA by commercial companies than about being seen as
suspects.


Yeah right!
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 08:00 AM
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25. HIV was (is) for Blacks, SARS is for Asians
Guess the messy crossover into gays didn't deter them from trying SARS.

Or so the consipiracies go...
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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:47 AM
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27. Bull...
HIV infects ALL ethnic groups...ask the Russians...and the Chinese...
SARS also affects all ethnic groups...ask the Canucks that died after
visiting Asia...


Any questions...?
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 11:41 AM
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28. Therefore the mutation aspect
could be correct.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:21 PM
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29. This article appeared in the London Times (November 1998).
Edited on Sun Sep-14-03 10:36 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
Research into "ethnic bombs" is the creation of biohazard at the highest level. It amounts to the fulfillment of every worst fear that ever was raised by the research related to the Human Genome Diversity Project.

http://www.peace.ca/geneticwarfare.htm

more nightmares

this is a good site:
Viruses and bacteria could be genetically engineered to evade the human immune system, to create a more effective biological weapon, a leading researcher into bio-weapons.
http://www.gyre.org/news/related/Biological+Warfare/Gen...

shall we continue?
Air Force CPC: Biological Warfare
... Biotechnology and Genetic Engineering: Implications for the Development
of New Warfare Agents (1996) ---(local copy): Annex B: Selected ...
www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cps-bio.htm

Genetic Engineering and Its Dangers
... Biotechnology and Genetic Engineering: Implications for the Development of
New Warfare Agents. Gulf War Syndrome--Thanks To Biological Germ Warfare? ...
Description: Essays, links to resources and a bibliography compiled by Dr Ron Epstein at the Philosophy Department....
Category: Society > Issues > ... > Biotechnology > Genetics
http://online.sfsu.edu/~rone/GEessays/gedanger.htm


google "ethnic bombs" and "Genetic warfare "
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:48 PM
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32. First I've seen of it -
but I'm not surprised, given the BFEE's culture of death.
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