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Ironpost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 03:12 PM
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Us old hippies are going to have to dust off
our old bell bottoms and tie dyes and stop this madness. We have a serious problem like we had in our day, Viet Namn. We were able to stop that war then and we can stop this war now. please
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 03:12 PM
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1. PLEASE DO.
And I'll go....find some NEW bellbottoms and join you.

I was BORN when you guys were marching in the streets. I'm ready. Been ready.
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gnofg Donating Member (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 03:34 PM
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8. I knew
you were young. I could tell by your responses to my earlier posts. Just for you info I was at the 1st Vietnam march against the war in 1969 in DC. Eat your heart out
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 03:35 PM
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9. What the hell's that supposed to mean?
Edited on Tue Mar-22-05 03:40 PM by Bouncy Ball
I'm not THAT young. I'm in my mid-30s. Doesn't exactly make me a babe in the woods, or have you lost track of how long ago the Vietnam protests really were?

Excuse my snarkiness if you meant no offense, but your posts reads really....jerky.

On EDIT: nevermind about the "excuse my snarkiness" stuff. My snarkiness stands. Advanced search reveals ALL.

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gnofg Donating Member (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 05:39 PM
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38. your posts
dissed me before
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 06:55 PM
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43. Oh I did?
Well point it out to me, then.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 03:59 PM
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18. Umm, there were marches against the war well before 1969.
Edited on Tue Mar-22-05 04:04 PM by ET Awful
Of course, you knew that right?

The SDS was organizing anti-war marches as early as '64 . . . hmmm, that is a few years prior to your "first" march. There was a 2 day march on the Pentagon in '67, last I heard that was in DC, so that predates your "first march" too.

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gnofg Donating Member (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 05:43 PM
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39. Of course
there were marches before. But the first really big one was the Oct '69 march. That is why the other poster did one in SF on the same date. This was the march that mobilized the country. If you were there it was really something. The second March on Washington never had the energy of the first.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 06:10 PM
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42. You said you were at the FIRST MARCH ON DC
WHich is obviously a false statement.

Nice attempt to cover your misrepresentation though.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 04:10 PM
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23. I was in the one in San Francisco on that date.
Old hippies unite!!
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 05:50 PM
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40. I was at a war protest in DC in 1970. I was in the Navy at the time.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 10:37 PM
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57. Veteran of Peoples Park, SFSU '68
and various, sundry "free Huey", GG Park rallies, and virtually every SF gay rally(including White night), since Stonewall "reporting for duty"
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NewInNewJ. Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 03:14 PM
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2. You know
I have a red , white and blue plaid pair in the attic. If I could fit it them, I'd be glad to dust them off. If not, I can wear something else. Something has got to be done. I'm with you.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 03:15 PM
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3. I gotta find my bong
I'm too libel to strangle one of those war nuts.

:smoke:
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callous taoboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 05:34 PM
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37. Is it a Richard Nixon bong?
This dude we knew in high school was a trip. He'd always come up to us at lunch and say, "Let's go get high. I've got the papers and the lighter."
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 11:21 PM
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62. It was a U.S. bong, of course
We had this kid who would carry around his chamber pipe with a full chamber and say, "Hey man, got a bowl?"
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 03:15 PM
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4. The only problem is that there is such divisiveness in the anti-war
movement (primarily brought on by the infantile wannabe anarchists) that it makes it difficult to put together a successful event.

Want to see an example? Look at the whining of the anarchists in the comments on this article: http://boston.indymedia.org/feature/display/34037/index...

These people have no desire to create a cohesive movement, they only want to be as visible as possible (maybe they want more people to see their green hair and dreadlocks?).
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 03:40 PM
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11. I remember people saying the same thing about the Yippies
in '70.

You don't get civil disobedience by being either civil or obedient. Nobody wants a riot, but if we only protest when and where they tell us we can, there will eventually be no protests.

"A rrriot iss a terrrible sing...and I sink it's about time ve had vun!"
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 04:02 PM
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19. What you're missing (since you weren't at this event), is that
this little contingent was about 25 people out of several thousand.

Without the organization they are criticizing and attacking there wouldn't have been anyone TO march. They would have had 25 little anarchists in a self-agrandizing circle pretending they were having an effect on anything.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 04:08 PM
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22. And because there were only 25 of them ready to lay it on the
line, they should be dismissed?

Oh, but wait, a couple hundred subsequently joined them for the unpermitted march.

They had no effect on anything?
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 04:14 PM
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24. Did you even read what they said? Or what I said for that matter?
Edited on Tue Mar-22-05 04:15 PM by ET Awful
Nobody said they should be dismissed. In fact, what I said was that they should be cooperative and make an attempt at solidarity.

Instead, all they do is sit around and bitch about the way the people that actually got thousands of people there on Sunday did it.

Instead of trying to get people together, they wait for someone else to do it, then bitch because it didn't happen the way they wanted.

If they aren't willing to contribute and aren't willing to make any effort other than sitting on their ass and bitching about how someone else did something.

The march was NOT their doing btw. It was going to happen with or without them. All their ineffectual bleating did was piss people off, since they started walking around the stage and beating on buckets drowning out the speakers at the rally. When they interrupt Howard Zinn while he's speaking, they aren't helping anything.

No, they had no effect.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 04:34 PM
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28. My apologies, if I spoke out of turn.
I waded through something more than half of the link (still haven't finished it) and didn't see in it what you were talking about. In there I did see the point made that the march would not have happened if the rally hadn't taken place -- which seems true enough. Also, the point was made that if the authorized rally had promoted the march, it could have been shut down by the authorities for violating its permit. Also, likely true.

And shouting down Zinn is unconscionable -- one of our best spokesmen. I didn't see that mentioned in as far as I got.

A couple days ago I got in a thing with another poster who seemed to believe that no non-permitted rallies or marches or action should be countenanced because they lose us credibility, and my reply to you was a continuation of that discussion. I see that is not what you are saying, necessarily. At the same time, it looks to me like you were taking Emma's rant there as the basis for your complaints about the anarchists, and I think she, and others posting there, had some good points.

So please pardon my defensiveness -- I just wish I had been able to get out for the protests. I had planned to go to Ft Bragg on Saturday, but wound up staying home, sick. Maybe there's a little bit of jealousy talking there, too.

Peace.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 04:40 PM
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31. No need to apologize, I'm just a bit peeved at those people
who were there for not showing a little gratitude to the people that organized the whole works.

"Emma" simply engaged in insults and attacks on those who did organize it. She didn't offer alternatives in any way. The same goes for her buddy "Lorax" who also offered no alternatives, but just whined about the way it happened.

No one is saying that unpermitted marches shouldn't happen. BUT, if you want it to happen, you have to figure out a way to get people together and in this case, that task was carried out by the very people that "Emma" chose to attack.

It wasn't just Emma, it was Lorax too, along with a couple of others.

As I told them there, if they aren't part of the solution, they're part of the problem, and no amount of sitting and ineffectually shaking your fist at the organizers is going to change anytyhing :).
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 03:21 PM
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5. I understand what you're saying, but our current situation
doesn't call for simple anti-war protests, it calls for full on revolution. The founding documents require it of the citizenry to maintain a free country.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 05:15 PM
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35. I agree. Ending the war would be one small step...
but the problem is the rule of corporate elites over this country. "We the People" are not in control of what is going on in OUR government. It can be argued that we haven't been in any profound sense for many years. Now it has caught up with us. The system is corrupt beyond redemption.

Revolutions, however, are always risky business. Chances are just as good that a "revolution" (in quotes) would only make things worse. I'm sure PNAC (et al) see THEMSELVES as "revolutionaries" (as opposed to reactionaries).

Still, I agree w/ JFK: "Those who would make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable."
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 03:23 PM
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6. Once the draft was ended the protests died.
Nixon was very smart in removing the draft. It would allow the GOP to Politicize the Military and yet nobody would protest our dirty little wars any longer. Reinstating the draft is the very last thing the GOP would ever want to do. If they need more troops they will buy them. Mercenaries are not nearly as expensive as half the nation protesting everything they want to do. A lot of the people fighting in Iraq are paid civilians, in fact one just received a purple heart and a bronze star and doesn't even belong in our military..
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 03:49 PM
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14. It wasn't ending the draft that ended the protests.
It was the rapid withdrawing from Viet Nam, going from 400,000 troops in 1970 to 30,000 in 1973.

Of course, they couldn't maintain that kind of troop level without the draft, but which maybe makes it a moot point, but even without the draft they could have kept 100,000 in country if they wanted to.

Another factor was that after a full decade of civil rights protests, then anti war protests the protesters were getting tired. With the troops coming home, a lot just went about their business. Mission accomplished.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 04:05 PM
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21. Actually, it's more like protests ended the draft, not the other way
around.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 03:26 PM
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7. The country has changed since then...people are more stupid now!
Too lazy and ignorant to get involved or read! I'm with you though, we have GOT to stop it some how some way...so depressed I could crap!
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 04:14 PM
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25. along with that
I think our media is much more worthless. No coverage of protests, and almost might as well stay home. If only the media would do its job. :( Then the public might be better informed and rise up against this mob of gangsters.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 09:38 PM
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54. Well I say fuck the media; I am not at protests for them! I am there to
Edited on Tue Mar-22-05 09:39 PM by lonestarnot
wake up the neighborhood if you know what I mean!
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 03:36 PM
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10. Long hair and unkept appearance ready SIR!
Count another long hair hippie freak ready to make a difference.
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PhuLoi Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 03:44 PM
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12. As another rapidly ageing 60's denizen, I beg of those who
bravely go forth to chant: Never, ever, under even the greatest provocation, or worst drugs, utter any phrase containing "Hey Hey, Ho Ho"! Please, I'm begging you here! *whimper*
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 07:08 PM
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46. Too late!
:silly:
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 09:01 AM
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75. We had a draft and a youth movement.
We have neither today. All young people can look forward to now is working 80-hour weeks and being divorced by 40.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 03:47 PM
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13. still have the bells, but I don't think they'll fit . . . :) n/t
.
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 09:44 PM
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55. I've found the Gap makes some really nice-fitting bells, but to my
great regret they are made in Bangladesh, which probably means sweatshops, so I scrounge thrift stores for them and justify my jones that way...
pretty scummy, i know...
anywho, ready to take over the country with all the rest of you! bong at the ready.
'When one party is shameless, the other party can't afford to be spineless.' (Julian Bond)
Let's develop some backbone and take our country back!
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whitedove Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 03:49 PM
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15. Viva La Revolucion!
Unless something changes, I don't see a bright future for this country...

My advice to you:
Hold your loved ones close,
Cut up your credit cards, learn how to live on less, learn how to grow a veggie garden, stock up on canned goods, water,first aid items and any medications you might need. etc...

Peace,
Whitedove
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 07:08 PM
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47. Welcome to DU, Whitedove!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 08:29 AM
Response to Reply #15
71. Viva la Raza! Welcome Whitedove! n/t
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 03:54 PM
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16. Can't march...need knee replacement...but I do email on many causes!
Some kind soul (they will remain nameless) on DU came up with a wheelchair so I was able to attend an Edwards rally before the election. It was great getting out of the house.
Be happy to participate if someone can wheel me around.

Not due to old age, but knee injury.
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snacker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 03:58 PM
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17. Before the Iraq invasion,
we put a NO WAR sign in front of our house and one of my daughter's clasmates called us hippies. I thought it was a compliment.
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Psst_Im_Not_Here Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 04:04 PM
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20. Let's GO!
I was born in 1970 so I missed out on it. But, since I was a young girl, my mother has sworn that I'm a reincarnated hippie. So I suppose, let's go again!

We just have to convince this younger generation to give up their apathy and the "I'm fine so who cares?" mentality. The only thing I can see in the near future to change that is a draft.

p.s. For those in the younger generation, no offense intended. I know there are exceptions out there!
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 04:14 PM
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26. When they start the draft you can count on me. Not before then
I have had my head busted before. I can get it busted again. But not for people who are volunteering for this shit.

Don

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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 04:18 PM
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27. there are a few other things to consider, however
One is that the National Guard troops never intended to go over to Iraq and fight and die. They were intended for responding to domestic emergencies.

Another thing is that this war's cost in money is horrific, and affects us all, in diminished money available for our domestic needs.
It means less money for schools, health programs, and investment in our infrastructure. It impoverishes us all in one way or the other.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 04:35 PM
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29. We were wrong....we thought it was over
when Nixon left office in disgrace.....

in truth our enemies went underground, got stonger and stole their way back into power....

Dammit...I thought my days with the bullhorn on the campus square were OVER!

Note to my son: Get ready kid...you're going to have to pick up the bullhorn for me some day...
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 04:38 PM
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30. good god'll need arch supports this time
All we need is a draft, then we can relax.Until them sadly we cannot retire. Sadly, they do not let you take your meds to jail.
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rocktop15 Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 04:42 PM
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32. It took five years for massive protests to start
It took five years for the massive protests to start against Vietnam. I think we're well on our way to seeing the protests slowly start to happen again.
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frictionlessO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 04:55 PM
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33. Old/young Hippies = the antidote to this neoCON nightmare!!!!
Where have the flowers gone???
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 05:05 PM
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34. All of you embody the true spirit of the first American Patriots
Just reading this thread was uplifting. I cheer you. Meet you at the next rally.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 05:25 PM
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36. My suggestion is CELLULAR PROTESTS
Oranize people in a new way using cell phone technology. I know this can be done (being an old hippy, I don't even HAVE a cell phone--but I'd get one for this!).

The idea I'm imagining is to do organizing via cell phone in such a way that we can have a LARGE protest very quickly--simply by sending out a message to a lot of people singed up. Immediate civil disobedience in response to a decision or action at a location to be determined by the organizers but NOT broadcast in advance.

We will not become effective until we begin civil disobedience in an ORGANIZED and NONVIOLENT way. Imagine even a thousand people descending on your local CON (corporate owned news) station for exactly one-half hour and then dispersing.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 09:53 PM
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56. a "flash mob" protest!
If they can get hundreds of people to appear at a department store to jump up and down for 5 minutes, they can get thousands to show up, make their point and disperse before they're rounded up into "free speech zones"..

(Like at Grand Army Plaza at 8:30 in the morning some morning to politi-mob Dave Price.)
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 02:48 AM
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70. Yes. That's it. It must be "interesting" enough to command attention.
The more 'unanticipated' the event is by the media driven consensus, the better. By "unanticipated" I do not only mean spatially and temporally, but also conceptually.

The time for politics as usual is over. This is not to say that politics should be abandoned; that isn't what I mean. But what get's THEIR attention--the media, the politicians, and whoever runs them?

Ultimately, the answer is NUMBERS and ORGANIZATION. Believe me, if anything significant ever happened outside of their overview and control, THEY would take notice.

The question is, what PRECISELY is the message we'd be trying to send to THEM?

H E L L O ?
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distressedsister Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 11:53 PM
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67. I'm In! n/t
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 05:56 PM
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41. I've already been marching, always join up with the anarchists
Was one in the late Sixties with the SDS. But was a non-violent anarchist. Need to educate the people about corporate capitalism intertwined with government oligarchy.
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 06:58 PM
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44. Can we bring back
free love also?

Oh wait, I just looked in the mirror..........nevermind!
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 07:02 PM
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45. Incense and Thai sticks at the ready, Sir
"White collared Conservative flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me.
They're hoping my kind will soon drop and die.
But I'm gonna wave my freak flag high. HIGH! ..."
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Ironpost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 07:48 PM
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48. Thai sticks, brings back memories of 1970, R&R,Thailand
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PhuLoi Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 08:02 PM
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51. Ah yes, the Fortuna Hotel and a young lady named Sacinar.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 07:51 PM
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49. I'll have some Huahacan if you don't mind
Kids these days....

Why the hell do we have to go out in the streets again?

Oh, and watch out for the agents provocateur.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 11:25 PM
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63. Eight miles high

and when you touch down
You'll find that it's stranger than known


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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 07:55 PM
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50. One problem you're going to have....
Edited on Tue Mar-22-05 07:58 PM by Robeson
...is you're going to have to get a lot of them - non DU'ers - to give up their suits, BMW's, and SUV's. But for the rest of us, I'm with with ya'! :hippie:
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 08:17 PM
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52. .

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davidthegnome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 08:56 PM
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53. Set us up THE BONG!
All your protests are belong to us!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 10:41 PM
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58. Okay I am ready but
I am bathing and washing my hair regularly this time around.

I am also wearing my bra whether you all like it or not.
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distressedsister Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 10:55 PM
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59. Without Checks and Balances
Let the Hippies Rule!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 10:56 PM
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60. All my bell bottoms are gone
and my hair is short now (but I do have facial hair). I don't have anymore tie dyes either but I still have my values and my attitude. I'm all ready to go.
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Ironpost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 09:04 AM
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76. Values and attitude is all we need.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 10:59 PM
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61. SDS!
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 11:27 PM
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64. Now you're talking!
I know right where to find my love beads and peace pendant.

(Conveniently packed away with my antique roach clip.)
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davidthegnome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 11:35 PM
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65. Hmm
Pass me that joint, old boy, yes, the one that looks like a ciagrette. That's right, thank you. Time for my next shot of tequila.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 11:52 PM
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66. Can I bring my bong, strawberry flavored papers and munchies?
:evilgrin: Those were the days.

Something has to happen and SOON. I feel it bubbling just below the surface....a revolution is in the air.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 08:43 AM
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73. Those old lyrics still work...
"Call out the instigator
Because there's something in the air
We'e got to get together sooner or later
Because the revolution's here

And you know it's right
And you know that it's right
We have got to get it together
We have got to get it together now

Run through the fields and houses
Because there's something in the air
We've got to get together sooner or later
Because the revolution's here..."

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Cranky Badger Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 12:11 AM
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68. I'm with you.
But do I have to wear the bell bottoms? I always hated those. Kept tripping on them.
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Ironpost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 09:08 AM
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77. Welcome to DU
I'm thourghly convinced we will prevail.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 12:35 AM
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69. Let's do it with another Woodstock. Everything's already in place
http://www.bonnaroo.com/2005 /

It's already a HUGE annual festival, this year let's make sure the word get's out about what's going on and that we need to work for change from the roots.

Let's get the message out! What if we "old hippies" show up and show these kids how it's supposed to be done? And, enjoy the music at the same time....

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Donailin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 08:34 AM
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72. I think we'll be surprised to see
that when the next revolt and opposition really begins, it's going to be lead by some folks who we would least expect. Like that 66 year old retired woman I spoke with yesterday. She could barely contain her frustration at Bush, and she voted for him!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 08:58 AM
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74. I think so.
It does my heart good to see some students on college campuses are starting to make a little noise. Yet I do not see the organized national leadership that young people are going to need in order to do battle with a corporate entity we call "government" that is capitalizing on the apathy and lack of organization among youth. Perhaps one of the most important things that older hippies and yippies could do would be to encourage the younger generation to organize and advocate for themselves.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 09:27 AM
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78. An enduring myth
Hippies did not end the war in Vietnam. *bubble of patchouli oil bursting*

In fact, a case could be made that the hippies prolonged it.

The protests only increased Nixon's resolve to step up the bombing campaigns. The well-meaning (but ineffective) protestors just could not have taken into account what and who they were dealing with psychologically in the White House, State Department, and Pentagon.

When the rank-and-file voters, the 'average' Americans, began turning against the war, then real steps were taken to withdraw the troops and sign the Paris accords. It is quite likely that these 'average' citizens might have spoken up earlier, but were not eager to embrace the self-serving protestors whose main objective outside of "stopping the war" was to also to save their own asses from the draft.

It is self-serving baby boomer nonsense to think that they had anything to do with ending the Vietnam war.

And now? All of the protests in the world against Bush and this war are about as effective as a water pistol against a charging rhino. He is an even bigger psychopath than Nixon, and he will CERTAINLY not allow policy to yield to their voices.

Not even middle America turning against this war will stop it.

I have little patience with hippie nostalgia. To believe that they effected any change for the better reveals a very serious misunderstanding of history. It is a very self-centered view, which is in line with much of the baby boomer world lens.
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