I find the level of misinformation ASTOUNDING

[CatWoman]

I've talked to at least 10 people about the Schiavo case, and they have all been misled by the media. Corrections/clarifications I've had to make:

* I've had to explain that those videos being played ad nauseum on CNN and the rest are at LEAST 5 years old -- the woman's condition has deteriorated vastly since those tapes were made.

* A coworker thinks the judge defied Congress and Bush by finding against the parents. This girl actually thought that the judge was DUTY BOUND to go along with that stupid bill Bush signed.

* Several people have claimed that Terri can actually sit up in bed and speak.

* All her husband wants out of this is the insurance money. They shut the fuck up when I told them that the husband had a falling out with Terri's parents because they were demanding he split the settlement money with them.

This is just a sampling. I blame the media.

We are truly fucked. This country will not be able to regroup and heal as long as we are burdened with the piss poor, incompetent MSM.

[MissB]

1. Well, yeah we're fucked

But your first point doesn't exactly go with the next three. :hi:

[CatWoman]

4. I don't catch your drift

:shrug:

[MissB]

7. I'm probably just being picky

:P I meant that the first point was factually correct, but the next three points were factually incorrect. So it just read weird to me- you talked about having to correct inaccuracies but the first point is accurate.

No biggie. I agree with your post, btw. I'm just glad I'm escaping the whole Schaivo media crunch for the next 5 days.

[uppityperson]

26. Terri CAN sit up in bed and speak?

Judicial branch MUST do what Mr.bush wants?
Mr.Terri only wants money?

Talking about misunderstanding here

[Baconfoot]

56. I really can't believe that poster said that.What's the world coming to?NT

[Media_Lies_Daily]

65. Okay, let me see if I understand this....

...you believe that this point is correct:

* I've had to explain that those videos being played ad nauseum on CNN and the rest are at LEAST 5 years old -- the woman's condition has deteriorated vastly since those tapes were made.

But you actually believe that the following three points are INCORRECT????:

* A coworker thinks the judge defied Congress and Bush by finding against the parents. This girl actually thought that the judge was DUTY BOUND to go along with that stupid bill Bush signed.

Judges make decisions based on the current body of law, and whether or not those laws are Constitutional or not. The law hastily passed by Congress and signed by Herr Poppenjay is believed to be UNCONSTITUTIONAL by the vast majority of the legal community to include lawyers, prosecutors, defense attorneys, and judges at ALL levels.

* Several people have claimed that Terri can actually sit up in bed and speak.

So, you really believe that a PVS patient can do anything on her own? Just in case you don't know, PVS stands for Permanent Vegetative State, which means that Terri will never get any better than she is now, and will be getting progressively worse as time goes on. No, Terri cann NOT sit up in bed and speak...anyone telling you this is either terribly confused, or is deliberately misleading you.

* All her husband wants out of this is the insurance money. They shut the fuck up when I told them that the husband had a falling out with Terri's parents because they were demanding he split the settlement money with them.

Terri's parents did indeed demand a 50-50 split of the insurance money despite the fact that the settlement went to a third-party bank that disbursed the money to pay Terri's bills. Neither the husband nor the parents could touch that money or interfere with bill-paying process. Anyone telling you differently clearly has an agenda of their own.

[kittenpants]

71. I think that poster is just saying that your phrasing confused him because

in the first example you state the correct information, then in the following three examples you state your co-workers misconceptions. I didn't find your post confusing, but I think that is what he meant.

[flamin lib]

2. Take heart.

70% polled said Michael should be the one to make decisions for Terri.

80% polled said the Republicans were only playing politics.

[aintitfunny]

3. Amazing stuff

just like Sadaam attacked us on 9/11, WMD moved to Syria, GWB is a good man. Blecchhh. It is awful.

[Old and In the Way]

5. The MSM is part of the problem.

When the Democrats finally take back Congress, I want to see some serious legislation directed at de-profitizing the news.

[flamin lib]

35. Reinstate the fairness doctrine!!

The spectrum of airways, including cable and satellite, are public property and as such should serve the public good as well as entertain.

[FreedomAngel82]

6. I agree

On other boards I go on people claim they know the facts of the story but they are far from the truth. Also not one person on MSM has mentioned the buleima that got her into this stage. I'm not trying to cause problems but if you're going to save someone at least tell the WHOLE story for goodness sakes! That poor husband.

[CatWoman]

8. i got into an argument with 3 other women

who are pissed at the husband because he's now with another woman, and want to know why he just doesn't divorce her.

I'm like -- Only Republicans divorce their wives on their deathbeds.

[Ripley]

22. LOL!

"Only Republicans divorce their wives on their deathbeds."

I don't get that either. Ask them if they were in that situation if they would also give up their sex life, and hey their entire personal life, and just sit by their spouse's bedside and pray for DECADES!!

I think this whole thing is about Mass Confusion....Rove's plan all along. People are just overwhelmed by the story, and frankly who should know this much detail about this case, other than the family? When Americans are so pathetically confused and anxious about every issue, they are more easily molded. Like Play-doh.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

67. Remember Newt Gingrich telling one of his wives that he was leaving...

...her as the woman was recovering from very recent cancer surgery?

[GiovanniC]

28. On the Radio This AM, the DJs Were Asking the Weatherman -- WEATHERMAN! --

about his opinions on the Schiavo situation. He said that he felt the tube should be reinserted because she could be rehabilitated and walking around in two months, and the only reason Michael Schiavo wants her dead is so that she won't tell everyone that he tried to kill her and that's why she's in her present condition.

I'm sitting in traffic literally arguing with a weatherman who cannot hear me, saying, "What the fuck do you know about any of this shit? You can't even get the motherfucking weather right!"

[underpants]

36. The Weatherman?????

Oh my GOD that would be funny if it weren't so sad.

Good Lord.

"up and walking around in two months" Oh good grief.

I have to say that the local talkradio host (mostly just RW talking points on national issues) was livid about the Federal Government getting involved on Friday - before they actually did.

[underpants]

9. I knew almost nothing about it until Friday

I even posted that Michael was a "slimeball" and "scum" I was sure that he was either cheating her or had already left her when she had the heart attack-Yep I bought into the implied ssshhhh compaign too.

At first I was reading DU threads on it and I thought to myself "Hold it. I don't need opinions or parts of this I need to know what happened and what is actually happening now".

The first red flag went up Saturday morning when I heard 2 of the 3 Fox&Friends hosts and 2 of the 4 callers say "Well we don't know what REALLY happened that night" "You know there are some questions about the husband..." (I started a thread on that one) notice they don't offer answers they just want that thought to get out there.

Then I found this FANTASTIC unbiased site

http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html

I haven't made a big case on it but I think that if we want to turn the political situation of this country around we HAVE TO GO AFTER THE MEDIA AND EXPOSE THEM FOR WHAT THEY ARE.

The Schiavo case is the most crystal clear example of how the RW machine forces MSM to cover stories on the RW terms, distortions and incomplete equations by the RW, and PROOF that the masses are being LIED TO!!!!!!!!

BTW- the fundies dragged the Repubs into this and aren't going to settle for excuses, rhetoric, or "we tried"s.

[janx]

16. But where did you get your original misinformaton?

This really hasn't been in the MSM much until recently. Good for you for investigating the facts.

[underpants]

23. Here on DU-poster named John8503 on a thread Saturday

maybe it was Friday.

That site has everything you need to know and if there is no Yes or No the guy says so including the bit about Michael maybe we don't know trying to kill Terri that night but we aren't sure he won't answer the question.....

[CottonBear]

19. The Fox & Friends gang are facist propagandists.

They are vile pieces of excrement.

[underpants]

32. Of course

I watch them because they are the first to air the days talking points to the right and which issues will be discussed.

The funniest part is watching them read off the laptops.

On a side note-sometimes they will address something that you would be shocked to even hear on Fox like the 30 propaganda "news" releases produced by the Bush administration. Their line on this? "Well it is up to the local station to air it or not" "Yes" "Yes definitely now let's go to ______ with the weather"

Seriously that was it. Probably the only mention of it on any Fox show.....but hey they DID cover it , right?

[CottonBear]

50. They are very useful for learning the daily RW talking points.

Maybe the laptops are for receiving Delay's instant messages!

The news mix is bizarre: politics, sex scandals, sexist banter about the female hosts and, of course, the worst, most useless weather segment ever!

Are you familiar with the Newshounds ("We watch Fox so you don't have to.") Here's a link:
http://www.newshounds.us/

[underpants]

53. Yeah I have seen Newshounds

bookmarked.

Deosn't the movie review guy do the weather? Or is that Douchebag guy?

[CottonBear]

58. Steve Douchebag is the weather boy.

He couldn't give a crap about the weather. I don't know why they even bother with the weather. They can't spin it like the other "news."

Hey. Aren't you having a baby? Check out the picture in this thread:http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=2888725&mesg_id=2888725

[mondo joe]

21. Underpants, I'm so so glad you bothered to check out the facts

after your first impressions.

[underpants]

24. Yeah you remember that huh?

Man I have no idea how that even got in my head. I knew NOTHING about this case only that I had heard something about him .....

:eyes:

It is amazing. Scary too.

[mondo joe]

30. It's understandable. What's NOT understandable are those

DU posters who insist on maintaining lies about MS even after they're disproven.

[GiovanniC]

47. Yes, Friday

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3295590#3296020

I was glad that you posed it as a question, and based on my experiences with you on this site, I knew that you would look at this with a fair mind.

[underpants]

52. Thanks but you realize that you had (d) wrong

(d) If Michael Shiavo divorces Terri, her parents would take control.

I don't mean this a Gotch-ya (you probably know this now)just that over the last 5 days all kinds of facts have come together into an understanding of this case that leaves one astonished by what was considered (or not questioned) true just a few days ago.


http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html

Why did Terri’s husband get to make the decision about whether she should live or die?

Michael Schiavo did not make the decision to discontinue life-prolonging measures for Terri.

As Terri's husband, Michael has been her guardian and her surrogate decision-maker. By 1998, though -- eight years after the trauma that produced Terri's situation -- Michael and Terri's parents disagreed over the proper course for her.

Rather than make the decision himself, Michael followed a procedure permitted by Florida courts by which a surrogate such as Michael can petition a court, asking the court to act as the ward's surrogate and determine what the ward would decide to do. Michael did this, and based on statements Terri made to him and others, he took the position that Terri would not wish to continue life-prolonging measures. The Schindlers took the position that Terri would continue life-prolonging measures. Under this procedure, the trial court becomes the surrogate decision-maker, and that is what happened in this case.

The trial court in this case held a trial on the dispute. Both sides were given opportunities to present their views and the evidence supporting those views. Afterwards, the trial court determined that, even applying the "clear and convincing evidence" standard -- the highest burden of proof used in civil cases -- the evidence showed that Terri would not wish to continue life-prolonging measures.

[GiovanniC]

60. I See That Now

Any idea why he wouldn't divorce her so that he can marry his new fiance and "legimize" his children, that being the case? I'm honestly not sure why that is.

[Midlodemocrat]

66. I read the guardian ad litum report

and there is absolutely no indication that Michael Schiavo did anything to his wife to bring about this event. The report indicates that she suffered an electrolyte imbalance due to weight loss and had a massive heart attack.

That being said, I personally think that Michael Schiavo did not divorce his wife because her parents are doing the exact opposite of what she wishes.

I feel very badly for the parents, but I don't think whether or not Terri wanted to be placed on life support is a conversation that she had with her folks. I just don't see too many people sitting mom and dad down and discussing this...especially when they are married.

My husband knows my wishes and I know his...and after this fiasco, we put it in writing and had our lawyer witness it.

It is a shame.

[underpants]

68. I think it is a public maneuvering thing

The fight appears to be between him and the parents if he divorced her he would be seen as having no say anymore.

It could be that without being married to her it would be too hard to explain so he has stayed married to her.

Maybe he doesn't divorce her because she is still alive-'til death do us part and all that.

I dont' know the answer to that one.

[GiovanniC]

63. Also, That Being The Case

Why the big focus on the Schindlers and Jeb Bush, et al., to get Michael Schiavo removed as Terri's guardian?

[underpants]

70. I saw that thread-I think Jeb is just fueling the myth fire

When/if he does push this in the Fla. Legislature and it gets thrown back at him (it will) he can claim he did everything he could.

If they keep this up (watch any Fox News report to see how their main focus is keeping the fundies appeased) it will establish this as the black/white element and anyone who tries to explain the facts to these people will be met with immediate cognitive disonance (they are turning the BIG LIE in on their own).

[sandnsea]

51. We have to get organized

Tht's why I wrote this post. They are highly organized. A handful of people operate these groups. They're very organized through direct mail, first of all. They are always ready to make an end-run around the media through direct mail. The causes they choose to sensationalize are carefully chosen or orchestrated, and they fit their basic themes. Life and religion in government. For those who fund these groups, it's about creating an unregulated capitalist theocracy. We have to be as focused as they are.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3320044

[underpants]

54. The Daily Show had a guy on talking about their direct mail operations

I thought that was a thing of the past, their initial stages.

I can't say that I have ever gotten any such mailing nor do I know anyone who ever has.

[sandnsea]

64. Why would you?

Do you belong to any right wing groups or Christian groups? I've thought of joining some of them to see what kind of crap I start getting. I know a Christian friend of ours is always calling about some piece of mail or other. They had info immediately when Soros bought into Dish and changed their satellite service because of it.

That Bruce Eberle is a direct mail king. They're moving to collecting emails now, which is probably the main purpose of GOPUSA, but it's the same concept. Checking some of the tax forms of some of these groups, selling or leasing direct mail lists is a big part of their income.

We've caught up a little bit with the internet. But I don't think we jabber as much about it as they do. We still think people have the right to read whatever they want and come to their own conclusions. They're on a crusade and think it's their duty to repeat every piece of right wing rhetoric wherever they go.

I'm not sure we've quite gotten to the place where it's imperative that we get our message out, any way we can.

[janx]

10. I don't know if it's just the MSM though. This hasn't been too

worked over by them until relatively recently. The misinformation on these boards have come from the MSM, yes, but also from somewhere else. I have tried repeatedly to ask people where they're getting this information, and I get NO answer every time I ask (unless they point to the parents' web site--but where'd they learn about that?

I'd REALLY like to know the answer, and I'm glad you brought this up.

[Hugin]

11. Well... I'm serene in my apathy.

I've seen worse... And absolutely *nothing* was
ever done about it.

Went into a war about WMD... What about that?
Still unresolved.

I'm not expecting any more from this hooplahpalooza.

Wake me when it's over.

[CottonBear]

12. Did you hear the RW-fundie C-Span callers this morning.

They were accusing Michael of attempted murder and wanting "kill" Terri in order to make millions of dollars from book deals. The others callers insisted that she could recover. Murkans are so stupid.

[Kota]

13. Alot of it s the media, but I think die hard republicans have

taken up lying. They have taken their cue from this administration and Fox, Limbaugh, Hannity the rest of them. I know some republicans that flat out lie and have that stupid grin on their face when they do it.

[oldcoot]

14. Your co-worker has no understanding of the Constitution

She should have learned about the separation of powers and the U.S. Constitution when she was high school or college (assuming she attended).

However, I do agree there is a lot of misinformation out there.

[BlueEyedSon]

15. So what else is new?

Bush Supporters Still Believe Iraq Had WMD or Major Program,
Supported al Qaeda

Agree with Kerry Supporters Bush Administration Still Saying This is the Case

Agree US Should Not Have Gone to War if No WMD or Support for al Qaeda

Bush Supporters Misperceive World Public as Not Opposed to Iraq War,
Favoring Bush Reelection

Even after the final report of Charles Duelfer to Congress saying that Iraq did not have a significant WMD program, 72% of Bush supporters continue to believe that Iraq had actual WMD (47%) or a major program for developing them (25%). Fifty-six percent assume that most experts believe Iraq had actual WMD and 57% also assume, incorrectly, that Duelfer concluded Iraq had at least a major WMD program. Kerry supporters hold opposite beliefs on all these points.

Similarly, 75% of Bush supporters continue to believe that Iraq was providing substantial support to al Qaeda, and 63% believe that clear evidence of this support has been found. Sixty percent of Bush supporters assume that this is also the conclusion of most experts, and 55% assume, incorrectly, that this was the conclusion of the 9/11 Commission. Here again, large majorities of Kerry supporters have exactly opposite perceptions.

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Pres_Election_04/html/new_10_21_04.html

[BurtWorm]

17. You mean the Schindlers might NOT be innocent victims after all?

They might really be totally selfish pigs after all?

Say it ain't so!

[ronnykmarshall]

29. Imagine that!

They have been all over the TEE-VEE trashing her husband and not ONCE had I seen him attacking them.

[onenote]

18. that Faux dickwad John Gibson

has posted a piece (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151086,00.html) claiming that because Michael Schiavo has "abandoned" Terri, he should never have been allowed to "order" he feeding tube removed and that Congress had to intervene because the Florida courts were too stupid to realize that Michael and Terri's marriage was a sham and that she would want to divorce him.

Here's what I wrote back to Mr.Asshat Gibson: You are mistaken. The Florida Courts are not saying that "an ex-husband gets to decide when an ex-wife dies." They are saying that TERRI gets to decide whether or not she is to be kept alive by artificial means. Yes, the request was made by her husband (or, if you prefer, her ex-husband), but it was not his wishes that determined the outcome of this case, it was her wishes. Her parents testified, under oath, that they even if her wishes were recorded in writing, they would not have honored them, which means that they would have disqualified themselves to serve as her legal guardians as well. Ultimately, it was the court, acting as a surrogate guaradian, that determined what it is that Terri wanted. You state that Michael Schiavo "ordered the feeding tube removed." That is incorrect. The Court ordered Michael, as Terri's guardian, to remove the tube. If the parents were her guardian, and refused to follow this order, they would be in contempt of court and the court would be compelled to appoint a replacement guardian who would place Terri's interests -- as determined by the court applying the evidence to the applicable law of the State of Florida -- first. Finally, how can you claim to know how Terri would want her husband to live while she was incapacitated? THat is a personal, intimate issue for which you have no basis to make any determination. I don't claim to know either, but that's the point -- it can't be known and therefore it should be irrelevant.

[janx]

25. That's a big part of the problem. This woman is NOBODY'S

property, veg that she is, poor thing. She deserves to have *her* wishes carried out, and that's what Michael Schiavo has been trying to do for almost ten years--since he became convinced by physicians and the courts that there was nothing more he could do to help her.

"Give her to her husband"
"Give her back to the parents"

These ignore and insult who Terri Schiavo was as a *human being*. Are we still such a backwards society that we continue to think that way?

[underpants]

27. EXCELLENT RESPONSE

The EvilTweety would never read that on the air. It contains too much fact and is too long for his fanged pin-head.

[libertypirate]

20. The real timeline not the crib notes version from the MSM

Michael Schiavo deserves a fucking medal for all the horseshit he has endured.

http://www.miami.edu/ethics2/schiavo/timeline.htm

To be informed you have to source your own news, your knowledge is not the responsibility of the MSM, it's your responsibility.

[gollygee]

31. I KNOW!!

I have heard such GARBAGE about this.

* Michael Schiavo just decided willy-nilly to have the feeding tube removed. He didn't go through the courts or anything.

* He was abusive to Terri and that's why she got hurt in the first place.

* Terri is just disabled - she's conscious and can talk and has relationships with people.

It's maddening.

[xxqqqzme]

33. I hope people heard

Randi Rhodes recite the timeline yesterday. First I knew the parents sued for some of the $$$$$; or that they had tried home-care for her but gave it up after 2 months; or that Michael Schiavo had lived w/ them for 2 years after the heart attack; or that Michael had flown Terri 2 California for some kind of brain stimulating procedure (which I had heard of but don't remember the name) which failed;or........ screw Corporate Owned News(CON)

Why isn't CON more concerned w/ the elevated mercury levels and the increasing numbers of autism?; or the 'Opaque Skies' contributing to asthma?; or the partially treated sewage being mixed w/ the water supply?; or.....?

[CatWoman]

38. yeah -- I heard it yesterday

and this RWer called in spouting her nonsense and MSM misinformation and RNC talking points.

Randi corrected her point by point.

To her credit, the winger admitted that most of her information was wrong.

[Neecy]

34. the media has been grossly irresponsible...

MSNBC ran a segment about an hour ago featuring a Utah family that was caring for 5 children with Down's Syndrome, all on feeding tubes.

The mother said that one of the children had brain damage "very similar" to that of Shiavo, and it showed the child looking fairly alert and very responsive. Is this mother a doctor? Has she reviewed Shiavo's charts to determine if her brain damage is "very similar" to that of a child with Down's? Then, of course, she made an emotional appeal to let Shiavo's parents care for her as she is caring for these children, as though the medical circumstances were identical.

MSNBC ran it all as the gospel truth. It was so grossly deceptive, so deliberately misleading, so meant to distort the emotions of their viewers that's it's almost inconceivable that this is considered a responsible news outlet.

[underpants]

41. Did you catch Scarborough last night? He had a new one

Don't ask me why I watch him (I haven't in a long time)

He seems to have gotten a new wrench to throw in and further muck things up-----Michael put her in a "hospice" so bad that you wouldn't want your dog in there.

I hadn't heard that one before. I do think they are trying to just keep it too confusing for the lazy to spend time checking out.

[Neecy]

46. I can't stomach Scarborough

To see someone lecturing us on 'values' who had to resign from Congress and had his wife divorce him for infidelity is a little much (not to mention the dead intern).

[underpants]

48. But but Congressman Joe is looking out for the Regular Joe

That is his new lead-in. I hadn't watched it in a while.

See Red box top right
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/

[Lucille]

61. This can't be true. Jeb would never allow hospices in his state

to offer substandard care, would he? There can't be any elderly or infirm lying unattended in their own filth, covered with bedsores, in Florida, right? Because Jeb, like, his brother, values life, right? And I'm sure if Congress were to cut the Medicaid and Medicare funding that provides for the poor and elderly, why, he would fight the out-of-touch beltway crowd tooth and nail. I'm sure. Look at all he's done to protect children, after all.

[WoodrowFan]

37. I called in yesterday am to chide a DJ on this

I called Z104 in DC Monday am to chide a DJ who was passing on this BS.

"Well if he didn't abuse her, why did she have a heart attack!"
"Maybe because she was bulimic for years!"


ARGH.

STUPID, STUPID PEOPLE!

[Mike Daniels]

39. Not mentioning the 4 hours of video showing Terri "not responding"

is more f*cked than not mentioning the age of the video IMHO.

I love charges the right is throwing around saying that people aren't seeing the video showing that Terri reacts to stimuli. Hell, I see it every time a news channel brings up the story so I don't know where that charge is coming from.

I believe the issue that the right doesn't want to acknowledge is that most critically thinking people know the video is an edit job that's only displaying things favorable to the charges of existing awareness.

[RaleighNCDUer]

40. A little editing problem, Catwoman

Item 1 is a fact.
Items 2,3 & 4 are what the nutsos think are facts, but aren't.

And you're right -- MSM is doing nothing to clarify.

[CatWoman]

42. fixed it

(I think) :D

[underpants]

44. pssst I think she is really MSM and is trying to confuse us

I took #1 to be the rebuttal to the misinformation the other people had put forth or a little of both.....too confusing OOH Fear Factor's ON!!!

[CatWoman]

49. LOL!!!! I'm gonna spank you!!!

:spank:

[Catchawave]

43. Great example why Schiavo Threads must not

disappear from DU. As long as the MSM keeps messin' with our minds at the expense of this poor woman, we need to keep addressing the political motivation behind this all?

I realized this last night while watching the ad naseaum re-playing of Bush's statement on the matter...within the safety of his "dissent free" SS townhall meeting...that he claims we need to "err on the side of life". I finally understood, he definitely has no clue.

As for me, I want to hammer on both Terri's loving husband and devoted parents..........somebody's "expert" doctors/lawyers are lying, and that's the TRUTH. Just my opinion, I could be wrong :)

[underpants]

45. HEY! you changed #1

That one seemed to be real popular

[Jose Diablo]

55. Ya know, this may sound strange, but this Terri case sounds

like those Nazi propaganda movies that got the euthansia laws passed in Germany, that started the 'mental health' initiatives. Google "euthanasia T4".

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/t4toc.html

But everthing is upside down in this case. The euthanasia movement never really died in America. It went underground and changed it name to 'genetics'. In fact, euthanasia actually started right here in 'river city' not in Germany. Look up the forced sterilization project in Winston-Salem or the euthanasia movement in Topeka, Kansas if you doubt what I say. Of course, the Nazi's carried much further than here in the USA.

I'd think very hard about what my stand was on this case before stating what I thought was right and wrong. The repubs do have an agenda, but what is it?

Edit: I think I will by some stock in a 'rubber' company.

[Hugin]

59. They were stuck with a non representative case...

The Terri case doesn't mesh with their agenda...

So, they must spin it to make it conform with their
needs.

*That* is why it seems so surreal.

I can't imagine there are many contested "Right to death" cases
pending in the US at any given time. Especially located in
friendly Florida.

They're trying to squash a unique situation to fit some
general goal.

What is that goal? To clobber the Judiciary? To overturn
Roe v. Wade?

I'm not sure of anything, except that these guys tend to
think in generalities.

[Mike Daniels]

57. In the first half hour of Hannity & Colmes last night

POV's from:

Mr. Schindler, Terri's brother, The Nobel Prize nominated Dr. who appears to be a sham,Terri's sister and brother in law and a woman who was in a PVS and came out of it stating that Terri is no different.

I think they had one dissenting POV that was from a Democratic congressperson who had to endure 5 minutes of Hannity lecturing him for casting doubt on Frist's prognosis of Terri's state of being.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

62. What absolutely kills me is the number of DU posters that have been...

...taken in by one or more of the comments you posted. Now, I know that some of those posters are NOT DUers, but for the ones that are...Holy Cow!!

[Terran]

69. Midori, don't forget...

There are just a lot of stupid lazy people who can't be bothered to listen carefully, no matter what their news source is. The news media are partly to blame, but media consumers are just as much to blame.

[CatWoman]

72. Yeah, but the media has an OBLIGATION to provide

facts, not lies, half-truths and innuendo

:hi: Sweetie

:loveya:

[Catherine Vincent]

73. I had to remind my mother of your first point.

She thought it was sad that they want to pull the plug. I had to tell her that the video that she sees everyday are about 5 years old and that she is much worse than that now.