Why won't Repukes let Terri be with the Lord?

[goodboy]

Why can't they let Terri enter Paradise?


This should be our meme...frame it this way and we win. Even if you don't believe in the religious connotation, wouldn't ANYTHING be paradise compared to her state now?


Beat the pukes at their own game.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

1. Why IS death so horrible to these people?

They believe in heaven after death, don't they? Isn't that a GOOD thing to go to?

Or do they have guilty consciences and fear going to hell instead?

[goodboy]

4. Are you kidding? These people are OBSESSED with death...they

get off on it. That's why they love war, and capital punishment. They loved the Passion, because they could see a horrible and greusome death.

When they talk about life, they're talking about death.

[durablend]

12. BINGO!

"do they have guilty consciences and fear going to hell instead?"

MMMM HMMM!

[Proud2BAmurkin]

79. They fear it because they don't believe their own shit.

.

[leesa]

96. I think you are right. I don't think deep down they buy it but

they are terrified to admit they don't. I recognize that because I felt it when I was a teenager struggling with this. I simply couldn't believe the stuff in the bible, I thought it was nothing more than tales told to justify our presence on this rock, but I had been indoctrinated to fear eternal punishment and the disapproval of my family and community if I admitted that.

I think you are dead on.

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[Mika]

6. Losing the "argument" against bullshit?

Yeah, the public did get a lot last night - a lot of crap.

[goodboy]

9. no the Pukes are losing on this thing big time.

[mondo joe]

10. But Terri's life isn't saved. She's in suspended death, like a zombie.

And what you saw on TV was crap.

[goodboy]

15. absolute crap. All the doctors who EXAMINED her physically concur

she's in a persistive vegetative state. Period. And 20 or so judges agree with the facts presented by those very same doctors.


It doesn't matter what the Dr. Evil Frist thinks, or any of those other repuke scumbags (who I'd take off life support just to save electricity) think.


The lights are on, but nobody's home./

[Lerkfish]

13. wow. Interesting take on the issue

welcome to DU.


Just how is schiavo going to be "saved"? are they going to grow her a new brain?

this shameless character assasination of her husband is classic Rovian bullcrap.

It has nothing to do with anything.

the state judicial system has ruled one way, and Delay and the right wing brownshirts didn't like that ruling, so they shanghaied the constitution.

[StopTheMorans]

20. who is "we"? and, btw, if you're going to advocate for someone's "life"

rather than come here to spew RW bullshit, you should at least learn to spell her last name right :eyes:

[goodboy]

23. lol @ STM....

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[goodboy]

27. I said the same thing.

[MemphisTiger]

32. Welcome to DU

Don't worry about the others. If you don't agree with them they act dismissive and act like they have the power to have you removed. Everyone here is entitled to their opinion, that's what seperates us from the freepers.

EDIT-I see you were removed. This is a world of inclusiveness? I guess I'll wait for my official DU issues pamphlet.

[ClintonTyree]

38. Read the DU bylaws.............

they're in place for a purpose.

[MemphisTiger]

39. Which one was broken?

[ClintonTyree]

41. If you'd have read them.................

you'd know.

[MemphisTiger]

43. I guess you don't know either since you didn't answer the question

Seriously, i didn't see anything in this persons post that was out of line, other then a few people didn't agree with the opinion. If that's a crime here then we would all be in violation.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

81. See here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html

Specifically:

1. WHO WE ARE

Who is Welcome on Democratic Underground, and Who is Not

Democratic Underground is an online community for Democrats and other progressives. Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office.

We ban conservative disruptors who are opposed to the broad goals of this website. If you think overall that George W. Bush is doing a swell job, or if you wish to see Republicans win, or if you are generally supportive of conservative ideals, please do not register to post, as you will likely be banned.

People who repeatedly and willfully break the rules, or who generally engage in rude, anti-social behavior, will be banned. It doesn't matter if you are a fellow progressive, a long-term member of this community, or a donor.

If you have been banned from Democratic Underground, you are not permitted to log on again using a different username. Previously banned members will be immediately banned, regardless of behavior.

[MemphisTiger]

82. Thank you for responding, however the poster did not break

any rules

If you are refering to " Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office." Notice the term is 'generally' supportive. If we all thought exactly the same way, what a boring board this would be.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

83. You fail to see context.

This was not his 3057th post. It was his 8th. He joined yesterday. And his posts were taking a right wing stance on the Schiavo case.

Sorry, but that spells "DISRUPTOR", in large, capital letters to me.

[MemphisTiger]

84. So we only get to disagree when we break 1000 posts?

I think we should give new posters the benefit of the doubt, IMHO.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

86. I don't.

How many posts do they need to prove that they are not one of us? Before you know it, there's some asshole spewing his garbage all over the place, and the forum is then ruined. This is supposed to be a sanctuary for us liberals, where we can discuss things amongst ourselves freely. If we wanted to fight with Republicans, there are more than enough venues where it is fine to do just that.

By the way, this is also a private forum, meaning we post at the pleasure of ownership.

[MemphisTiger]

88. We don't need to do like bushco during the election

and make people take oaths of loyalty. I just feel like we should have given the poster a chance. If they continue to start trouble, by all means ban them. Just because someone thinks that Mrs. Schaivo should live, doesn't mean they are repubs. I think they should reinsert the feeding tube, and I am certainly not a fan of the shrub.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

90. Again, this is a private forum.

This is what the owners of the forum have decided are acceptable. If you don't like it, feel free to find another site.

Personally, I have no sympathy whatsoever. What goes on here at DU is nothing more than recreation. Some people find it nice to be able to vent without being taken to task for every little comment. If that's not what you're looking for, by all means, move along.

[MemphisTiger]

91. And we wonder why people are leaving the party

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

92. Last I checked

DU was not the avatar of the Democratic National Party. We're just a group of fringe progressives - that's it. But you're clearly on a holier-than-thou kick, so I'll leave you be.

[MemphisTiger]

105. Then why do we back democrats?

The republicans are united, we are not. This is why we are losing elections. Face it, we need to stop fighting with ourselves if we want to win.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

106. Are you fucking kidding me?

Do you not see how they're eating their own right now? They demand unity on issues, and when they don't get it, there are consequences. See Arlen Specter for details.

You do realize you just gave me a reason why DU SHOULD throw out suspected right wingers, don't you?

[MemphisTiger]

107. Okaaaaayyy (said kinda confused)

"You do realize you just gave me a reason why DU SHOULD throw out suspected right wingers, don't you?"

Maybe I haven't had enought coffee this morning, but I don't get it. Care to elaborate?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

108. You said specifically that we should be "united" like the Republicans.

Yet the only way Republicans are truly united is on the issues, and the moment one strays from that, they are punished. And yet you're arguing against the banning of someone from a private message board for straying away from the issues? Something really doesn't jive there.

[MemphisTiger]

109. I'm just going to let this go

There is no point in arguing otherwise I am just like the type of person I'm preaching against. I respect your will to fight. We need more like you. See you on the boards.

[goodboy]

42. instead of hijacking the thread, could you post in ATA?

[MemphisTiger]

46. I can't ask the administrators why a thread that is now removed

the reason for removal

[goodboy]

100. finally..........

[Goathead]

3. Because she isn't done doing God's work here on earth.

Which is solidifying the Republicans fundamentalist power base. Silly, it's what God wants.:eyes: read:heavy sarcasm

[goodboy]

7. Goat, you win the grand prize! But would you agree that framing this

in the religious context makes the pukes look like they're just extending someone's suffering for political gain? After all, if Terri's gonna be healed, the only way to find out is to remove the tube...if God wants her to stay here, she'll live...

[Goathead]

19. Yeah, I just realized something else.

It has also put the "Sanctity of life" issue up in the public forum. Everyone is talking about this, it is in the MSM spotlight and now they can steer this into the anti-abortion realm. I think I have seen others here mention it, it is just a test baloon.

[goodboy]

21. Then we should be talking about the dead iraqi kids, and that baby in

texas the hospital killed...where's the sanctity in those lives? I know they're brown and black, but shouldn't love and a culture of life be colorblind?

[doublethink]

48. Yea and how about ....

all the kids in third world countries that also STARVE to death every day on this planet with no choice of their own? Is congress convening late night to look into this? Na. :(

[goodboy]

49. Most of those kids are brown and black...I know this comment is in poor

taste but that's just how I feel.


You get a right-wing supporting family, and look at what the PUKES will do for you.,

[Demit]

16. Yes. Religious people will always have a way to counter you with

something else that stems from BELIEF. I don't know why folks think they can reason with religious people on this issue. You cannot win. You are letting them create the argument that it is a religious issue. As soon as you cede to them on that, you are lost in the misty world of the non-reality-based, where people claim with great authority what "God's will" is.

This is a legal issue. We are a government of laws, not men--and certainly not of religion.

[goodboy]

18. I agree, but if we say the right thing in the right way, they can't

capitalize on it in the way they want without sounding like Democrats.

[Goathead]

31. I usually just counter with

Calling them a primitive human. And ask them if they really think that some invisible guy is just sitting around above the clouds with only their best interests at heart. Then I ask them if they themselves are even worthy of the primitive construct of an after life that they believe in. Then I tell them they are going to Hell and walk away. That goes over real well.

[goodboy]

33. There's a little Carlin in that philosophy isn't there?

[Goathead]

51. Indeed n/t

:smoke:

[goodboy]

54. ....."but he loves you" HAHAHAHAA! (nt)

[sui generis]

5. well - that argument certainly works against fundies

until they weigh in about this being a test of faith and humans interfering with "God's will", which can be stretched to mean absolutely whatever you want.

Personally I would think it means that dear old god ain't all that. If he wanted her to live AND get a bunch of converts, he'd have her sit bolt upright this afternoon and ask for a big mac and some fries.

[goodboy]

8. Right...so if god wants her to stay on earth, she'll be healed!

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[sui generis]

22. I have eyes and a brain

you are correct, I didn't go to Sunday school any longer than it took to determine that it wasn't rational; I think I was six or possibly younger.

I am not frail. God is frail. According to the bible he's got an evil temper, he smites or casts out of heaven whoever doesn't agree with him, he invites chosen people to go rape and pillage and otherwise destroy everyone in their way, and then the guy comes along and "sacrifices" his only son for our sins, as if torture and death were the only path to salvation, and speaking of salvation, if you screw up in this life or just happen to not be born into a christian family, and the right kind of christian at that, you burn in hell for all eternity!!!!

I fathom god all right. Not my cup of tea.

[goodboy]

24. I thought he was talkin' to me....but nice....

[WuzzaFreeperNowaDU]

11. I hope You all don't mind . . . .

I'm new here mostly because I can no longer stand being on that OTHER site. It's like they all act like they're Terri's close personal friend and that Michael Schiavo raped their daughters! There is no common sense over there about this issue!!
It's become so sanctimonious that it clouds their thinking in other ways too. It's like they have to personalize everything.
I still have some conservative views, so I may find myself in disagreement from time to time, but geez--I have a sense of humor and can admit when I'm wrong. I guess that's why I just don't fit in over THERE!

[sui generis]

25. welcome -

it's okay, we're all ready to pitch Terri into oncoming traffic over here, so it's about even.

[WuzzaFreeperNowaDU]

35. Thanks

And while it really is a sad situation-it looks like you folks here have it in perspective.

[ClintonTyree]

37. That's bullshit, and you know it...................

speaking for myself, I just want her to be able to die with what little dignity she has left, and not let her become a political football.
I've seen no one here suggesting we "pitch Terri into oncoming traffic" and I think it's reprehensible that you'd say that. Perhaps you too think she should be used as ammunition for the religious right's crusade?
Your comment is extremely irritating to me, as well as being completely false.

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[ladjf]

28. What I don't get is why the "fundies" don't view the

life support process as ungodly, a crime against Nature. But, there are lots of things about "fundie think" that I don't get.

[goodboy]

30. well now they only view life-support as a ventilator or heart machine...

and they completely ignore the fact that the body stops eating and drinking during the dying process naturally. My mom did as she died of cancer...and get this, She'd stopped taking her pain meds a WEEK EARLIER!! SHe was pain-free! The body is amazing! It's designed to make your transition a peaceful and pain-free one.

[WuzzaFreeperNowaDU]

34. I agree--

I'm not religious, so I never quite understood their way of thinking. Usually I would just dismiss it as wackiness, but it's now become hateful. And irrational.
It's as though the fundamentalists have this view that God is interactive in every aspect of their lives. But with billions of people in the world, and who knows how many planets with billions or trillions more, you think a God is going to spend time making sure the lights are all green as I drive to work? That's just crazy!
I guess it's okay if you keep it to yourself, but I have too much living and thinking on my own to do!

[goodboy]

36. On the other hand, I do believe that God makes every traffic light red for

me. I really do...but I'm sure it get's a lot of enjoyment out of it, so I don't mind all that much.

[ladjf]

62. Goodboy: I believe that your idea that God makes every

traffic light red for you is (1) not well founded and (2) very destructive to you.

If you wished and we had the time, I could, perhaps, help you modify that pessimistic conclusion.

Basically, let me just say that everyone experiences what could be considered good and bad "luck" in various proportions. Those events of fortune are caused by more mundane sources that God.

[goodboy]

66. I wasn't being serious...and for what it's worth:

I believe that whatever God is, is in every living thing. We are here to be creators, and the idea that God is a separate entity from us in blasphemous.

[ladjf]

67. There I go being too serious again. Apologies.

[goodboy]

68. oh stop it...you're fine. It's hard to interprate certain meanings with

text...if we had this conversation in person, you'd have laughed at my comment.

:P

[ladjf]

78. Well, it sounded sort of like a joke that had a serious underlying

meaning. My oldest son used to feel that he was some how "cursed" with bad luck. I was able to lead him away from that idea.

Here is a little example of what I'm talking about.

Years ago, I was in a bridge tournament. One of my opponents was a Life Master. I was dealt a wonderful hand and bid that my side would win all tricks. In the next to last play I had to decide which of two cards to play. I made that play that had the known best odds. But, alas, I guessed wrong and lost the tournament. The Life Master quietly said to me, "Too bad. You made the correct play but the cards didn't fall as the odds suggested they might."

My point is that it's much better to know that you made the correct moves but, due to circumstances that had nothing to do with you , that event didn't pan out as you would have liked. You are then ready to positively take on the next challenge. But, if you feel that there is some supernatural force working against you, negativeness will breed negativeness.

There, I went ahead with my speech even though it no longer pertained to you original post. Thanks for you patience.

ladjf

[goodboy]

29. Welcome...

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

40. Welcome to DU!!!

I really hope you enjoy posting on this site. I will forewarn you - some people are quite sensitive about their views here. It's okay to have some conservative views though - we are a big tent party after all.

[WuzzaFreeperNowaDU]

45. I'm thick skinned-I like to laugh, and I give as much as I take

Am I in the right place or what??

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

47. Absolutely, so far as I'm concerned.

Some people may not always agree with you, and some might get downright angry with you. But then again, I'm pretty liberal and I still manage to piss people off here too.

[doublethink]

53. Wow ....

maybe this issue will end up backfireing after all on the 'other side' and bring more of you over from the 'Dark Side' :) Luke I am your father !!! All in fun, you said you liked to laugh :) Welcome to DU !

[WuzzaFreeperNowaDU]

63. Yeah, this could be the "Wake Up and Smell the Coffee" moment

for the right. I think many, like myself will re-evaluate the relationship with the religious right and how extreme it has become.

[goodboy]

44. After all, they had no qualms about letting the innocent baby in Texas

join the lord...or 100000+ innocent civilians in Iraq....or the millions of homeless, or those without proper medical care...or FOOD!

[DARE to HOPE]

50. I have been saying this over and over...

It is NOT the Christian view to hang onto a body when the brain has died--we trust the Lord of life with our last moments, but the Schindlers seem to be in a tug of war with the Almighty instead. This desperation speaks of NO FAITH in "life after life."

I have cousins who are Jehovah's Witnesses who could not bear to part with their mother--she laid in bed like a bird for seven years--because the JW really do not believe most of their folks will go to heaven.

This whole struggle seems more about a secular family that just cannot relinquish control.

[goodboy]

52. exactly...(nt)

[goodboy]

56. When you look at this thread sideways, it looks like an EEG printout

[goodboy]

61. I just realized how funny that was.

[goodboy]

77. beep.....nt

[cornfedyank]

57. because they believe life is sacred..some life anyway

i hope people see and hear the hypocrisy that spews when these people try to outdo each others in the "I think life is sacred" mode.

If you are so pro life, you need to be pro all life. These representitives need to be asked some questions that start with "Well, what about...". Compare Shrub's attitude now with what he did to Carla Tucker.

The other thing that bugs me. Who decided that it was humane to starve somebody to death? Heck, you can get arrested for starving a dog. When my turn comes makes it short and sweet.

[goodboy]

58. About "starving someone to death"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3321086


Terri won't feel a thing. Terri can't feel a thing It is a natural part of the dying process for the body to reject food and water.

[sui generis]

64. (devil's advocate)

so why don't we just donk her in the head with an iron skillet?

She won't feel a thing. I don't like that argument.

[goodboy]

65. Well I realize that facts about the dying process are inconvenient

for those opposed to removal of the tube, but rest assured, regardless of whether or not Terri needs it, she'll be provided with pain medication to help her transition.

[sui generis]

69. I'm not opposed to removal of the tube

I'm opposed to bad talking points about it.

If we want to have a meaningful discussion about it, we can't on the one hand say that she won't feel a thing but we're going to medicate her "just in case".

And the word "transition" is doublespeak too unless you're talking about the most obtuse framing of state of reference between being a vegetable and being dead.

I just want some brutal verbal honesty about the process because it doesn't feel "honest" to me with the way we're going at it right now, and worse, we're leaving ourselves open to people who really can use our doublespeak against us.

[goodboy]

71. I realize you're not opposed to it...I was answering your question

as you were playing "devil's advocate"

I understand what your saying about "not feeling, and medicating" I understand how that sounds, however It is common medical practice to administer morphine during the dying process.

I could start using the word 'die' instead of transition.


I agree with you! 100%

[cornfedyank]

70. ok...the plant shrivels

i just think that if one look's at people's actions; we say life is so valuable like we mean all life, but show that we mostly care about our own.

i know there are exceptions. We need those people as our representitves. ASAP

[Demit]

59. there's a lot of medical literature on the death process--it's worth

looking at. The idea made me uneasy too, because it seemed so extremely unpleasant, but reading about what the body does in this situation was enlightening to me.

[goodboy]

73. google "the dying process" Lots of pragmatic explanations of the process

[goodboy]

60. one other thought re: if you're pro-life, you got to be ALL pro life:

Bill Hicks, "If you're pro-life, don't lock your arms and block an abortion clinic...lock arms and block a cemetary!"

[Herman47]

80. To the Repugnants, only certain Americans merit saving

Will some Republican please explain to me why Republicans are perfectly willing to spend thousands of dollars keeping brain-dead Ms. Schiavo alive, including Bush's trips on Air Force One (at $30,000 per hour, I believe!!) while millions of people, mostly children, die each year in the developing countries due to malnutrition? Do you Republicans believe that your Jesus Christ only values American lives, and that's why you persistently oppose providing any meaningful foreign aid to the Third World?

[goodboy]

85. also...people are starving right here at home! Erring on the side of life

my ass

[lebkuchen]

72. go

effing figure.

[Andy_Stephenson]

74. You are so bad...and when you are

your a goodboy.

:)

[goodboy]

75. Hey buddy....if you like this one, you should see the thread about my mom!

Hope you're feeling well my good friend!....

[goodboy]

76. here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3321086&mesg_id=3321086

[HEyHEY]

87. Jealousy!

[goodboy]

89. good answer...I hope you'll read my post in your thread about Terri.

[KitchenWitch]

93. The thing is, Terri is already dead, so she is probably already

"with the Lord"

[goodboy]

94. so why then, must we keep her corpse animated?

[KitchenWitch]

95. good fucking question

to be a symbol to the "pro life" cause.

[goodboy]

97. "if you're pro-life, don't stand arms locked in front of

an abortion clinic...lock arms and block the gates at the cemetary."

--the Late, great Bill Hicks

[KitchenWitch]

98. Great quote

[goodboy]

99. great image too....pukes are dumb enough to do it if they're on a hunger

strike now protesting a woman who's condition was brought about by bulemia

[KitchenWitch]

101. The irony is amazing

Truth truly is stranger than fiction.

[goodboy]

102. and how ironic is it that these same puke FUCKS let millions of l

people go without food ever day in this country. How ironic is it that the Culture of life ASSHATS routinely put people to death supporting capital punishment...how ironic is it that these Compassionate Conservative Christans let millions of little black babies starve and die of Aids in Africa?

How Ironic is it that they claim to believe in the good things that democrats really do.

[KitchenWitch]

103. GRRR

gets my rage up!

[goodboy]

104. my face got red there for a second...