If you support sticking the bloody tube back into the animated corpse

[Walt Starr]

read the REAL agenda behind this:

To: ambrose
Promising, but might seem hypocritical. A real bill should do away with this issue for everybody. No favortism for the privileged or lucky who get press. We need a bill to overturn this "dying wishes" non-sense and end the concept of a living will. Ban them.

13 posted on 03/19/2005 5:54:07 PM PST by Shermy
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1366380/posts#13

[KoKo]

1. Whatever...........

Just stick the tube back in...it's already been pulled out what "twice" before with "court decisions.'

Playing around with this person's life is so grotesque at this point then yeah..hell I agree Stick the Damned Feeding Tube back in and when the courts decide once again...pull it out...and stick it ...and pull it out and stick it in.

FGS! This is a fellow human being we are talking about here! Where is the humanity. Let the families war with each other and keep the rest of America OUT OF THEIR PRIVATE BUSINESS!

This is a circus...and it only gets worse with the consequences for you and I more grim ...that we may end up with all our private lives dehumanized by these right wing Fundies who want the "GUBMIT" in everything...contrary to what they always said. :puke: on them!

[NVMojo]

4. I am sick of the circus being abused by the Bush clan.

[HamstersFromHell]

18. Stick it in, pull it out, stick it in, pull it out...

Strange, but it sounds like just what's been going on...the "fucking" of Terri...her wishes as determined by the courts, and her husband's.

And she still hasn't felt a thing.

[Dorian Gray]

38. Thank You!

No matter what our POV about this situation, I think that you nailed one thing that we should ALL be disgusted about, KoKo. They are playing games with this woman's life. They keep taking the tube out, putting it back in, taking it out. It's disgusting how Terri, who is still a human being, despite being severely damaged, is being used by both sides right now.

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[durablend]

39. When I thought they couldn't be more brain-damaged

I go and read that thread

UN-FRICKIN-BELIEVEABLE :wtf:

[Cuban_Liberal]

3. How many Schiavo threads do you intend to start, ffs? n/t

[Walt Starr]

5. At least a couple dozen more

They're relative to the debate.

[ohio_liberal]

7. I'll read every single one

:D

[Cuban_Liberal]

12. Oh, the first 6 or 7 were relative.

The others are just pure vanity.

[Maddy McCall]

21. Hear, hear on the vanity observation.

Same thing I'm thinking.

[madeline_con]

20. speaking of relative...

Any info on what all they've tacked together in this bill? I heard mention of 'filling some House vacancies' just before adjournment. I hope Shiavo isn't being used to push through some more of their insane legislation...

[Walt Starr]

32. I'd really like to know, too

Unfortunately, the final version occurred over a weekend and we probaly won't be able to get the text until Monday.

[ohio_liberal]

6. Banning living wills

Really, that's a brilliant idea. Asshats.

[Walt Starr]

9. That's the ultimate goal

Amazing how many DUers are falling for this line of crap that will lead directly to the federal government deciding when and how you are allowed to die.

[ohio_liberal]

17. I know

It's very disturbing :(

[Walt Starr]

22. That's why I've been using my rhetorical devices

Somebody who has taken the emotional side of the issue is shocked at my rhetoric, clicks on the thread, and reads that the ultimate goal of those pushing the Shiavo case for fifteen years is to put an end to people having living wills.

It's done for shock value, first to get them into the thread and then to reveal the ultimate goal of those who have pushed this for so long.

[ohio_liberal]

25. You're better than I

I don't know bupkes about rhetorical devices but I support anything that will smack down all the disinformation floating around here.

[anitar1]

34. Very good, Walt Starr

But there is always "sideways' as an old cowboy I knew , used to say. Come on up to Oregon, unless they shut our Right To Die law down. And they will. Just a matter of time.

[deadparrot]

8. What, exactly, is this freakshow proposing?

No wills? For the love of God, no one would ever die.

[Maddy McCall]

10. You know, I might feel the same way you do but your rhetoric is disgusting

And your attention to this topic is obsessive, to say the least.

[Walt Starr]

11. There's this little X by my threads

Click it and you won't have to see the thread.

[Maddy McCall]

14. No need for you to be so huffy.

I've usually agreed with your posts. And I agree with your slant now. What I don't agree with is your hankering for a fight.

[Walt Starr]

16. Confrontation is the key to altering thinking

I use the rhetorical methodologies I have been due to the rhetoric from the other side of this issue.

[Maddy McCall]

19. Oh, so playing like them will score a victory for our side?

I think you need to step back from this topic and attempt to relocate your objectivity. You're too deeply immersed in the Schiavo controversy.

[Walt Starr]

24. Look at how the rhetorical deice has worked

Those on the emotional side of this debate see my shocking thread title, click on the thread, and find out the ultimate goal of these ghouls who have pushed this case through nineteen judges, a dozen doctors, and fifteen years of litigation is to end the right for a person to have a living will.

Notice too, the rhetorical device exists only in the thread subject line, not in the post itself.

[Maddy McCall]

27. Defend it however you want. Calling Schiavo an "Animated Corpse"...

is truly cruel, no matter what your purpose for doing so is.

[Walt Starr]

29. It is descriptive of the condition

and apt given the debate. It's a smack of reality to what's going on.

[LittleClarkie]

49. No. It's not. If that "animated corpse" didn't breath on it's own

I might agree with you.

You have a point, Walt, but by pushing the rhetoric over the edge of reason you're obscuring it.

[Walt Starr]

52. Breathing is a part of the animation

:eyes:

[LittleClarkie]

55. Self-animation

It's not as if a machine were doing it for her.

She is not an animated corpse. She animates herself. That much of her brain is functional at least.

This issue is not being served by either your inflammatory language nor your flippancy.

[Walt Starr]

56. She's an animated corpse

I stand by the statement.

[LittleClarkie]

59. Going fully with your terminology then

They'd better get her refrigerated pretty soon.

Or is she a voodoo creation?

Lightning strike?

Animatronics?

Have they embalmed her yet? Why not?

[madeline_con]

13. I noticed one poster

in that 'gathering' said they'd never want to live in Florida. Thank goodness something positive came out of this, after all!

[Walt Starr]

15. LOL!

I had to post this after finding it. It's like the ultimate goal of the anti-Choice movement being the criminalizing of birth control, which most people fail to see.

[undergroundpanther]

23. Actually

It's eugenics and an ownership society.Slaves and master,take over the world and kill of those whgo don't(or can't) thow incense on the fire for ceasar...All other people are but fodder for master to expliot reward, abuse or praise, and allow to live or kill.A sociopaths perfect world of absolute dominion of the strong over the 'weak'.
That's the real agenda.

[Walt Starr]

26. Precisely

Bush has relished in presiding over the deaths of many, just as he relishes presiding over this.

[bettyellen]

35. you're right, it's just more patriarchal bullshit... i think most men

don't immediately make the connection.
this is another opertion rescue. the baby's just older this time.
but they wouldn't dare step in and do this to michael if he and terri had the kids they were planning. she needed to procreate to get these wack-jobs (and some of the people here) to lay off and stop denigrating her marriage and respect that michael is still her family.

[madeline_con]

40. First step

in overturning Roe v Wade, maybe. Just a simple adjustment to the Supreme Court by DUH-bya, et viola!

[Horse with no Name]

30. "Gathering'? You are much too kind...I prefer

Slovenly Swarm of Sycophant Sociopaths...yeah, I think that covers it.

[madeline_con]

41. Yep,

they sound dangerous. Thank the gods they were only virtually in one place at the same time...

[BiggJawn]

28. Why would they want to kill off the "Living Will"?

I would think they'd be all for every Liberal signing one. Save Ann-Thrax Coulter the trouble of trying to convert us to Jeebus and killing us...

[Walt Starr]

31. Because you're not part of the power elite

So all of your wealth must be drained off to the power elite before the doctors are allowed to declare your treatment no longer of value and then let you die.

[BiggJawn]

36. That'd take about 6 days...

WEALTH???? Moi????
Sorry, wrong number.....

I get it. Kill the Living Will, those turbo-charged "Vegetable Farmers" who call themselves "Doctors" get to make MORE money!

and In Dumbya's Murka, it's ALL about the Ben-jammin's....

They're really a bunch of sick fucks, aren't they, Walt?

[Walt Starr]

37. Yes, they are.

And the evil of their thought processes knows no bounds.

[madeline_con]

44. Naturally

suck every buck out of you.

I heard an NPR radio show where it was mentioned that poor and/or black patients' families are encouraged to 'pull the plug' a lot sooner than if they have, good insurance or a few bucks left in the bank.

[HamstersFromHell]

33. Perhaps if the end result would be the end of Medicaid as well?

Keep 'em alive by any means necessary till we bankrupt the entire system, then just claim "we can't afford this anymore".

[madeline_con]

42. Ann Thrax

Richard Belzer (sp) called her a 'facist party doll' on Maher one night.

BTW, has Bill Maher changed his spots of late, or did I misinterpret his leanings at first?

He seems to be kissing some Repub butt recently, talking up policy and whatnot.

My son says it's just so he can keep his gravy gig and not go the way of Howard Stern.

[ohio_liberal]

45. Bill Maher is a self-described libertarian

He's friends with Ann Coulter, did you know that? Don't expect too much from him.

Howard Stern has a niche that no FCC will be able to touch. He's not going anywhere. And I think Richard Belzer is great!

[madeline_con]

46. Maher Coulter's friend

He did say that on the show I mentioned. When Belzer started in on her, Maher said she was a friend and a guest, but I was hoping he was just being polite.

After that show, and the one last night I saw, and also an interview with I don't remeber who the other day, I really am not a fan anymore.

As for Stern, he wastes air time, IMO. He has a great opportunity to do some good, but he has the mind of a 12 year old. "Show me your ti#s" is all he can ever manage to say.

[BiggJawn]

47. Your son's probably right.

He sees Drew Carey and Jay Leno getting invited to WH soirees and says "Hey! I want some of that!"

[mondo joe]

43. Because they don't want people in control of their own bodies

You're just here to serve the power structure.

[Jesus Saves]

48. Ugh.

There is nothing 'conservative' about this bunch. Big government, no privacy, no control over your own life. The right wing is not conservative.

F*ck Shermy. I hope for his sake we never meet in a dark alley.

[goodboy]

50. what the fuck is that supposed to mean?

[Mr_Spock]

51. That's just one retards post - who cares

Most normal people think differently - who cares what a few fringe wack-jobs think.

[Walt Starr]

53. Failure to look at the underlying goals of a movement

is to allow them to occur.

[Mr_Spock]

54. True - but I don't believe that person speaks for the rest!

Got it? I think that is just a nut job - study it to your hearts content if you want. I don't mean to sound harsh, but you are being kinda smug.

[Walt Starr]

57. That's what was said about the anit-birth-control morons ten years ago

Now those morons are gearing up to outlaw birth control as soon as abortion is banned by a Bush SCOTUS.

[Bouncy Ball]

58. WHA???????

FUCKING A!!!!

My husband and I BOTH have living wills and NO ONE better DARE try to push my husband aside in my case or me aside in his case.

ASSHOLES.

WHY do they not want people to have control over their own lives? Why are repukes so fascinated with controlling others?

Was it something that went wrong in their toilet training phase?